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Rebuttal to Sam Shamoun

On the World of Jinns

Abdullah Kareem



 

The article can be accessed here: (http://..uk/Shamoun/jinn_dragons.htm)

HE WROTE:

The Quran says that there are certain creatures called jinn whom Allah created from fire:

And the jinn did We create aforetime of essential fire. S. 15:27 Pickthall

And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke: S. 55:15 Y. Ali

Some people seem to be of the opinion that jinn are immaterial spirit beings. Given the fact that fire is a chemical reaction between different elements, and that there is no fire without matter being present, such a conclusion is not substantiated. At best, the above verses are inconclusive as to the nature of the jinn. Since all fire needs matter they may, on the contrary, be implying that jinns were created with material bodies of some kind.

RESPONSE:

Origen describes the physical nature of Jinns that gels with the Holy Quran, they are made of fire, and they are spirits.

Here is the passage:

Now if there are those among men who are honoured with the ministry of evangelists, and if Jesus Himself brings tidings of good things, and preaches the Gospel to the poor, surely those messengers who were made spirits by God, those who are a flame of fire, ministers of the Father of all, cannot have been excluded from being evangelists also. [1]

There is no difference between humans and Jinns except that Jinns have special powers and immaterial bodies. The Jinn are created from non-earthly fire. Sam does not realize that God created the Jinn without physical elements.

In many aspects of their world, the Jinn are very similar to us. They eat and drink, they marry, have children and they die. The life span however, is far greater then ours. Like us, they will also be subject to a Final Reckoning by Allah the Most High. They will be present with mankind on Day of Judgement and will either go to Paradise or Hell. [2]

The Jinn can take the form of physical objects, and possess the human body. In the world of magic, the Jinn possess the black cat and black dog, the Prophet Muhammad recited a prayer against the Jinns.

The Bible says that angels are created from fire:

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. (Hebrews 1:7)

Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: (Psalms 104:4)

Shamoun has a problem that Jinns are created from fire, yet the Bible also says Angels are created from fire.

HE WROTE:

Other statements from the Quran and the hadith literature support this view since there are references which indicate that they do have physicality and actually have body parts. For instance, the following text warns against Satan, who is a jinn according to the Quran, and his children:

And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam; they made obeisance but Iblis (did it not). He was of the jinn, so he transgressed the commandment of his Lord. What! would you then take him and HIS OFFSPRING for friends rather than Me, and they are your enemies? Evil is (this) change for the unjust. S. 18:50 Shakir

And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and HIS SEED for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers. Pickthall

RESPONSE:

The devils of Satan are not his physical descendants; Satan does not have sexual intercourse to have children. The word “seed” defines those who follow Satan. [1]

Shamoun has interpreted the verse literally; the Quran never says Satan is a physical being.

Here are similarities between angels and humans.

(1). Angels have their own food (Psalms 78:25)

(2). Angels are destined for Heaven or Hell (2 Peter 2:4)

(3). * Angels appear in human form.

HE WROTE:

Procreation is a physical act requiring sexual intimacy and therefore presupposes that jinn have certain physical anatomy allowing them to propagate their race through intercourse. In ligth of this it should not come as a surprise to learn that there are male and female devils or jinns:

Narrated Zayd ibn Arqam:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: These privies are frequented by the jinns and devils. So when anyone amongst you goes there, he should say: "I seek refuge in Allah from male and female devils." (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 1, Number 6)

RESPONSE:

It’s obvious that Jinns are male and female. Even animals and plants have different sexes.

Sex in plants was discovered in the 1890s. The knowledge that plants have life, their male and female characteristics, pollination and fertilization is found in the Qur'an which was revealed 1400 years ago. [1]

The Bible says angels have breasts!

And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. Revelations 15:6

The Bible says angels have their own food, should this mean they have physical bodies? Absolutely not!

And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. (Psalms 78:24-25)

He rained down manna for the people to eat, he gave them the grain of heaven. Men ate the bread of angels; he sent them all the food they could eat. (NIV)

Also, the angels who visited Abraham ate food!

And the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth and said, "O Lord, if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant. Let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree, while I bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh yourselves, and after that you may pass on--since you have come to your servant." So they said, "Do as you have said." 6And Abraham went quickly into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quick! Three seahs of fine flour! Knead it, and make cakes." And Abraham ran to the herd and took a calf, tender and good, and gave it to a young man, who prepared it quickly. Then he took curds and milk and the calf that he had prepared, and set it before them. And he stood by them under the tree while they ate. (Genesis 18:1-8)

The Bible teaches that angels have their own food. Similarly the Hadith say Jinns have their own food.

 

HE WROTE:

In fact, the Quran further teaches that some jinn will go to hell or enter paradise, and that those that go to the garden will be wedded to heavenly maidens:

And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones. S. 7:179 Hilali-Khan

If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together." S. 32:13 Y. Ali

Then when the heaven is rent asunder, and it becomes rosy or red like red-oil, or red hide. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? So on that Day no question will be asked of man or jinn as to his sin, (because they have already been known from their faces either white or black). Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? The Mujrimun (polytheists, criminals, sinners, etc.) will be known by their marks (black faces), and they will be seized by their forelocks and their feet. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? This is Hell which the Mujrimun (polytheists, criminals, sinners, etc.) denied. They will go between it (Hell) and the boiling hot water! Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? But for him who [the true believer of Islamic Monotheism who performs all the duties ordained by Allah and His Messenger Muhammad SAW, and keeps away (abstain) from all kinds of sin and evil deeds prohibited in Islam and] fears the standing before his Lord, there will be two Gardens (i.e. in Paradise). Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? With spreading branches; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? In them (both) will be two springs flowing (free). Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? In them (both) will be every kind of fruit in pairs. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? Reclining upon the couches lined with silk brocade, and the fruits of the two Gardens will be near at hand. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? Wherein both will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? Is there any reward for good other than good? Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? And besides these two, there are two other Gardens (i.e. in Paradise). Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? Dark green (in colour). Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? In them (both) will be two springs gushing forth water. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? In them (both) will be fruits, and date- palms and pomegranates. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? Therein (gardens) will be fair (wives) good and beautiful; S. 55:37-70 Hilali-Khan

RESPONSE:

The evil Jinn are destined for Hell, and the righteous Jinn will enter Paradise. God created Hell for evil man/woman and Jinn (Quran 32:13)

According to the Bible, the angels of God will be subjected to torment:

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; (2 Peter 2:4)

So the verses Matthew 8:11-12 apply to angels (and Jinn) as well:

I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

HE WROTE:

Ibn Kathir writes:

<Qasirat At-Tarf> chaste females, wives restraining their glances, desiring none except their husbands, seeing them as the most beautiful men in Paradise. This was said by Ibn ‘Abbas, Qatadah, ‘Ata’ Al-Khurasani and Ibn Zayd. It was reported that one of these wives will say to her husband, "By Allah! I neither see anything in Paradise more handsome than you nor more beloved to me than you. So praise be to Allah Who made you for me and made me for you." Allah said, …

<whom never deflowered a human before nor Jinn> meaning they are delightful virgins of comparable age who never had sexual intercourse with anyone, whether from mankind or Jinns, before their husbands. This is also a proof that the believers among the Jinns will enter Paradise. Artat bin Al-Mundhir said, "Damrah bin Habib was asked if the Jinns will enter Paradise and he said, ‘Yes, and they will get married. The Jinns will have Jinn women and the humans will have female humans.’" (Source; bold and underline emphasis ours)

RESPONSE:

Yes, the scholar Ibn Kathir is correct. The righteous Jinn shall enter Paradise, thanks for quoting the Tafsir. You ignorant fool.

HE WROTE:

Moreover, the Quran implies that jinn can die:

(Allah) will say: "Enter you in the company of nations who passed away before you, of men and jinns, into the Fire." Every time a new nation enters, it curses its sister nation (that went before), until they will be gathered all together in the Fire. The last of them will say to the first of them: "Our Lord! These misled us, so give them a double torment of the Fire." He will say: "For each one there is double (torment), but you know not." S. 7:38 Hilali-Khan

And We have assigned them (devils) intimate companions (in this world), who have made fair-seeming to them, what was before them (evil deeds which they were doing in the present worldly life and disbelief in the Reckoning and the Resurrection, etc.) and what was behind them (denial of the matters in the coming life of the Hereafter as regards punishment or reward, etc.). And the Word (i.e. the torment) is justified against them as it was justified against those who were among the previous generations of jinns and men that had passed away before them. Indeed they (all) were the losers. S. 41:25 Hilali-Khan

RESPONSE:

All creatures of God will eventually die! Shamoun does not realize that Jinns are mortal creatures, they live and die. The sun and moon will eventually perish.

The Quran speaks to mankind and Jinn:

"My Lord hath commanded justice; and that ye set your whole selves (to Him) at every time and place of prayer, and call upon Him, making your devotion sincere as in His sight: such as He created you in the beginning, so shall ye return." (Al-Quran 7:29, 10:70)

All that is on earth will perish: But will abide (for ever) the Face of thy Lord,- full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? (Al-Quran 55:26-28)

Shamoun is foolish to say that Jinns cannot die!

HE WROTE:

The ahadith explicitly say that jinn do indeed die:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet used to say, "I seek refuge (with YOU) by Your 'Izzat, None has the right to be worshipped but You Who does not die while the Jinns and the human beings die." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 480)

Ibn 'Abbas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to say:" O Allah, it is unto Thee that I surrender myself. I affirm my faith in Thee and repose my trust in Thee and turn to Thee in repentance and with Thy help fought my adversaries. O Allah, I seek refuge in Thee with Thine Power; there is no god but Thou, lest Thou leadest me astray. Thou art ever-living that dieth not, while the Jinn and mankind die." (Sahih Muslim, Book 035, Number 6561)

RESPONSE:

All of these traditions are supported by the Holy Quran, even the soothsayers who practice magic believe that Jinns die. You are merely quoting the Hadith without any solid argument.

HE WROTE:

The Quran even says that Allah pelts the jinn with shooting stars and meteors!

And indeed, We have put the big stars in the heaven and We beautified it for the beholders. And We have guarded it (near heaven) from every outcast Shaitan (devil). Except him (devil) that gains hearing by stealing, he is pursued by a clear flaming fire. S. 15:16-18 Hilali-Khan

We have adorned the lower heaven with the adornment of the stars and to preserve against every rebel Satan; they listen not to the High Council, for they are pelted from every side, S. 37:6-8 Arberry

And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made such lamps (as) missiles to drive away the Shayatin (devils), and have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire. S. 67:5 Hilali-Khan

And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur'an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong warders and meteors. And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listeneth now findeth a flame in wait for him; S. 72:8-9 Pickthall – cf. 55:33-35

RESPONSE:

The reason why Allah pelts the Jinn with “shooting stars and meteors” is preventing the Jinns from reaching Heaven and listening to the secrets between the angels.

One of the most frequent activities associated with the Jinn, is fortune telling. Before the advent of the Prophet (saws) fortune-tellers and soothsayers were wide spread. These people would use their associates from the Jinn to find out about the future. The Jinns would go to the lowest heaven and listen to the Angels conversing amongst themselves about events of the Future which they heard from Allah. The Jinns would then inform the fortune-tellers. This is why before the time of the Prophet (saws) many fortune-tellers were very accurate in their predictions. However, upon the Prophet's arrival the heavens were guarded intensely by the Angels, and any Jinn who tried to listen was attacked by meteors (shooting stars):

"And We have guarded it (the heavens) from every accursed devil, except one who is able to snatch a hearing and he is pursued by a brightly burning flame" (Surah Al-Hijr 15:18)

The Prophet (saws) also said: "They (the Jinn) would pass the information back down until it reaches the lips of a magician or forrtune-teller Sometimes a meteor would overtake them before they could pass it on. If they passed it on before being struck, they would add to it a hundred lies".  Thus, it is clear from this as to how fortune-tellers get predictions of the future right. It is also evident as to why they get so many wrong. [1]

By the will of God, the Jinn reach Heaven and that’s how fortune-telling exists. All the power comes from Allah; the Jinns are totally useless without the power of Allah, and the magician is useless without the Jinn.

HE WROTE:

After commenting on the composition of meteors and meteorites, Dr. William F. Campbell rightly asks:

The difficulty here is obviously not with the science and composition of meteors and meteorites. The difficulty is how to understand what the Qur'an can be talking about. The word "rajm", usually translated as "cursed" in modern translations, comes from the verb meaning "to stone", and Hamidullah translates 67:5 which is quoted above with the words,

"and We have designed them (the lamps) as a means of stoning the devils." (translation from French mine)

What shall we understand when it says that God throws meteors, whether made of carbon dioxide or iron-nickel, at non-material devils who steal a hearing at the heavenly council? And what are we to understand when the meteors come in showers and are traveling in parallel paths? Are we to understand that the devils all lined up in rows at the same moment? These are not easy questions. (Campbell, The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of history and science, 3. SHOOTING STARS - METEORS AND METEORITES; online edition)

RESPONSE:

Shamoun does not realize that Jacob fought with an ANGEL (non-physical being). Only Christians would believe that God Himself fought with Jacob, which is blasphemy. God never changes (Mal. 3:6).

It is possible for meteors to attack the Jinn, for they have power to take physical form (black cat, black dog, snakes). There is no scientific evidence for the Jinns, obviously we cannot see them.

The Jinn can even fight a human being, and befriend the soothsayer. The question by Campbell is not hard because it’s purely scientific, he’s speaking from a scientific perspective, yet there is no scientific evidence for the Jinn!

The meteors are to scare the Jinn away, not destroy it.  Even though Jinn are non-physical, they are intimidated by powerful meteors, regardless that meteors can go right through them!

Unfortunately, the amount of fortune telling which occurs amongst the Muslims is also increasing. By visiting Muslim lands such as Morocco, one is able to see as to how much inter Jinn-fortune-teller activity there really is. If you look up at the sky on a clear night in Morocco, you will see the heavens ablaze with shooting stars! A clear display of the devils being chased away from the heavens. [1] 

It’s possible for human beings to harm Jinns or injure them:

We know as Muslims, that Jinns possess people for many reasons. Sometimes it is because the Jinn or its family has been hurt accidentally. It could be because the Jinn has fallen in love with the person. However, most of the time possession occurs because the Jinn is simply malicious and wicked. For this reason we have been told by the Prophet (saws) not to loiter in those places where the Jinns reside, e.g. graveyards, ruins, deserts. [2]

Jinn are said to be quick to anger, especially when they believe themselves to have been harmed on purpose (since Jinn are usually invisible to humans, a person can accidentally injure a Jinni not knowing that one is there). [3]

The jinn have communities much like human societies: they eat, marry, die, etc. They are invisible to humans, but they can see humans. Sometimes they accidentally or deliberately come into view or into contact with humans. [4]

Campbell was defeated by Zakir Naik in a:

HE WROTE:

The hadith literature provides further support that jinn have physicality of some kind. For example, stars and meteors are not the only material objects that can harm the jinn since water can as well!

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516)

RESPONSE

Where did Shamoun get the idea that water harms Jinn? According to experts, the Jinn even have their own clothes!

Satan does not dwell in the nose. The Prophet is speaking how it’s possible to be possessed without knowing it. The practice of cleaning the upper part prevents demon-possession. Many people today are possessed and don’t know it, they should’ve cleaned the upper part of their nose :)

The Jinn takes complete control of the body, and only the Quran expels the Jinn.

I saw Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) do three things which no one before or after me saw. I went with him on a trip. On the way, we passed by a woman sitting at the roadside with a young boy. She called out, 'O Messenger of Allah, this boy is afflicted with a trial, and from him we have also been afflicted with a trial. I don't know how many times per day he is seized by fits.'

He (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said: 'Give him to me.' So she lifted him up to the Prophet. He (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) then placed the boy between himself and the middle of the saddle, opened the boy's mouth and blew in it three times, saying, 'In the name of Allah, I am the slave of Allah, get out, enemy of Allah!' Then he gave the boy back to her and said: 'Meet us on our return at this same place and inform us how he has fared.' We then went. On our return, we found her in the same place with three sheep. When he said to her, 'How has your son fared?' She replied: 'By the One who sent you with the truth, we have not detected anything (unusual) in his behavior up to this time... (Musnad Ahmad (vol: 4, p. 170), and al-Haakim, who declared it Saheeh)

The Prophet also taught to cover our mouth when we yawn, so Jinn cannot enter our body.

HE WROTE:

Moreover, the hadiths claim that Satan can urinate and pass wind (fart):

Narrated ‘Abdullah:
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245)

Narrated ‘Abdullah:
It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, "He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 492)

RESPONSE:

Now infidel Shamoun is using childish words like “fart”, which explains why he’s demented. The above Hadith are figurative expressions, Satan does not literally urinate but leaves smoke. Satan whispers in your ear and tells you to miss prayer, that’s what the Prophet meant by “urinated”.

Also the word “urinate” is lying and deceit. When Satan whispers in your ear, he is urinating in your ears. Satan urinates when you listen to bad music, it’s not literal.

HE WROTE:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, "When the call for prayer is made, Satan takes to his heels PASSING WIND so that he may not hear the Adhan. And when the call is finished he comes back, and when the Iqama is pronounced, Satan again takes to his heels, and when the Iqama is finished he comes back again and tries to interfere with the person and his thoughts and say, "Remember this and that (which he has not thought of before the prayer)", till the praying person forgets how much he has prayed. If anyone of you does not remember whether he has offered three or four Rakat then he should perform two prostrations of Sahu while sitting. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 22, Number 323)

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "When the call for the prayer is pronounced, Satan takes to his heels, PASSING WIND WITH NOISE. When the call for the prayer is finished, he comes back. And when the Iqama is pronounced, he again takes to his heels, and after its completion, he returns again to interfere between the (praying) person and his heart, saying to him. 'Remember this or that thing.’ till the person forgets whether he has offered three or four Rakat: so if one forgets whether he has prayed three or four Rak’at, he should perform two prostrations of Sahu (i.e. forgetfulness)." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 505)

RESPONSE:

Satan does not pass wind; he only causes distraction when the prayer is called. Satan is dirty, and he passes wind (causes distraction) to divert the people’s attention from prayer. Satan passing wind with “noise” is the spiritual diversion.

A Muslim during prayer can have unclean thoughts, its all Shaytaan! 

HE WROTE:

The hadiths even tell us what diet the jinns follow:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
That once he was in the, company of the Prophet carrying a water pot for his ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While he was following him carrying it (i.e. the pot), the Prophet said, "Who is this?" He said, "I am Abu Huraira." The Prophet said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung." Abu Huraira went on narrating: So I brought some stones, carrying them in the corner of my robe till I put them by his side and went away. When he finished, I walked with him and asked, "What about the bone and the animal dung?" He said, "They are of the food of Jinns. The delegate of Jinns of (the city of) Nasibin came to me--and how nice those Jinns were--and asked me for the remains of the human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200)

RESPONSE:

This does not mean bone and animal dung is the only food Jinns eat; they have human food as the Hadith indicates. Possibly, the wicked Jinn feast upon bone and dung, and the righteous Jinns (who pray 5 times a day) eat pure food. The Experts say the wicked Jinns are very tall, and the righteous Jinns are shorter. Needless to say, the Jinns were afraid of the Prophet Muhammad because he was God’s prophet! 

According to the Bible, angels eat food:

Men ate the bread of angels; he sent them all the food they could eat. (Psalms 78:25, NIV)

Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full. (KJV)

Since the angels eat their own food, the Jinn have their own food!

HE WROTE:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas’ud:
A deputation of the jinn came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: O Muhammad, forbid your community to clean themselves with a bone or dung or charcoal, for in them Allah has provided sustenance for us. So the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) forbade them to do so. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 1, Number 0039)

RESPONSE:

No wonder the Holy Prophet forbade the usage of bone, and dung he considered filthy:

Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet went out to answer the call of nature and asked me to bring three stones. I found two stones and searched for the third but could not find it. So took a dried piece of dung and brought it to him. He took the two stones and threw away the dung and said, "This is a filthy thing." [1]

There is nothing strange about Jinns feasting on bones and dung. The medicine called Tylenol has tiny amounts of camel urine, so there’s nothing wrong!

HE WROTE:

According to the hadiths Muhammad believed that unbelievers are tormented in their graves. Believers, however, are given respite:

Narrated Masruq:
‘Aisha said that a Jewess came to her and mentioned the punishment in the grave, saying to her, "May Allah protect you from the punishment of the grave." ‘Aisha then asked Allah’s Apostle about the punishment of the grave. He said, "Yes, (there is) punishment in the grave." ‘Aisha added, "After that I never saw Allah’s Apostle but seeking refuge with Allah from the punishment in the grave in every prayer he prayed." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 454)

Narrated Al-Bara' bin 'Azib:
The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "When a faithful believer is made to sit in his grave, then (the angels) come to him and he testifies that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah's Apostle. And that corresponds to Allah’s statement: Allah will keep firm those who believe with the word that stands firm . . . (14.27). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 450)

Narrated Shu’ba:
Same as above and added, "Allah will keep firm those who believe …" (14.27) was revealed concerning the punishment of the grave. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 451)

Narrated Asma’ bint Abi Bakr:
Allah’s Apostle once stood up delivering a sermon and mentioned the trial which people will face in the grave. When he mentioned that, the Muslims started shouting loudly. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 455)

RESPONSE:

The punishment in the grave is for extremely wicked people, and it’s only temporary. Yet the Bible teaches that righteous people shall never rise again:

As a cloud vanishes and is gone, so he who goes down to the grave does not return. (Job 7:9)

So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. (Job 12:14)

This also includes the wicked (they shall stay in Hell forever) and they shall never resurrect.

As heat and drought snatch away the melted snow, so the grave snatches away those who have sinned. (Job 24:19)

Bury them all in the dust together; shroud their faces in the grave. (Job 40:13)

Jesus is recorded to have said:

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:40-42)

The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 24:50-51)

If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:6)

Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,  "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"  Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?  For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'  (Matthew 15:1-5)

The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates. On the wicked he will rain fiery coals and burning sulfur; a scorching wind will be their lot. (Psalms 11:5-7)

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." (Revelations 21:8)

The Bible says a wicked son deserves death (Deu. 21:18-21), and Jesus practiced this Law (Matt. 5:17-20) so the son shall remain in Hell forever. Christians believe that Jesus “died for their sins”, yet the Bible says we’re responsible for our own sins (Deu. 24:16, Ez 18:20). Notice how cruel the Bible is, the wicked shall remain in burning sulfur!

Here is a brief definition:

A pale yellow nonmetallic element occurring widely in nature in several free and combined allotropic forms. It is used in black gunpowder, rubber vulcanization, the manufacture of insecticides and pharmaceuticals, and in the preparation of sulfur compounds such as hydrogen sulfide and sulfuric acid. [1]

In contrast, the Holy Quran says the wicked shall only drink hot water. The disbelievers, according to the Bible, shall taste burning sulfur!

The Death Penalties in the Bible  [2]  

The Law of Apostasy in Christianity

Instant Death to Apostates

Regarding the Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 455, all human beings will be tested in the grave, Jews and Christians as well. The Angel will ask questions and determine his fate. The righteous shall enter Paradise, and the wicked in Hell, but only Islam will be accepted, so Jews and Christians are urged to embrace Islam:

The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. (Al-Quran 3:19)

If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Al-Quran 3:85)

Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah.-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back. (Al-Quran 3:83)

We thank infidel Shamoun for quoting this Hadith, because it’s absolutely true. The Bible describes Heaven as place of war; the Holy Quran describes Heaven as the most peaceful place:

 

But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, We shall soon admit to Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal home: Therein shall they have companions pure and holy: We shall admit them to shades, cool and ever deepening. (Al-Quran 4:57, 3:198)

And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. (Revelations 12:7)

Can you see the difference? The Bible is cruel and harsh, full of sex and violence, the Holy Quran promises Gardens to the Believers. What does the Bible promise?

Nothing but war, Jesus is even portrayed as war-like and savage.

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelations 2:27)

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (Revelations 15:19)

The Bible says he shall rule with an iron rod!  Whatever happened to love? Jesus promoted the killing of enemies (Luke 19:27), he killed innocent children (Rev. 2:23).

 

Jesus ordered the killing of apostates:

 

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15:5-6) [1]  

 

Jesus ordered the killings of enemies:

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me." (Luke 19:27)

Luke is the only gospel to record the saying. Matthew and Mark knew the saying but deliberately excluded it.

Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. (Revelations 2:22-23)

It doesn’t matter that Jesus murdered the children of a prostitute. The Old Testament upholds the killing of Babylonian babies just because the Babylonians enslaved the Israelites. Here is the passage:

O daughter of Babylon, doomed to be destroyed, blessed shall he be who repays you with what you have done to us! Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock! (Psalms 137:8-9)

There is no justification for holding the children responsible for the crimes of elders. Children are not responsible for the crimes of their parents (Deu. 24:16), so Jesus is guilty for killing innocent children.

Here is Matthew Henry’s commentary on Revelations 2:23 

 

I will kill her children with death; that is, the second death, which does the work effectually, and leaves no hope of future life, no resurrection for those that are killed by the second death, but only to shame and everlasting contempt. [1]

The apocryphal Gospel of Jesus reports that Jesus murdered children his own age:

“…Another apocryphal work of interest is the Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus Christ, which dates from no later than the second century and possibly from before. In this book Jesus is portrayed as a brilliant but eminently human child. All too human perhaps – for he is violent and unruly, prone to shocking displays of temper and a rather irresponsible exercise of his powers. Indeed, on one occasion he strikes dead another child who offends him. A similar fate is visited upon an autocratic mentor. Such incidents are undoubtedly spurious, but they attest to the way in which, at the time, Jesus had to be depicted if he were to attain divine status amongst his following.  (Michael Baigent, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, p. 390)

HE WROTE:

We can more fully appreciate why these Muslims started shouting when we see the kinds of punishment awaiting the dead in their graves:

Narrated Anas:
The Prophet said, "When a human being is laid in his grave and his companions return and he even hears their footsteps, two angels come to him and make him sit and ask him: What did you use to say about this man, Muhammad? He will say: I testify that he is Allah’s slave and His Apostle. Then it will be said to him, Look at your place in the Hell-Fire. Allah has given you a place in Paradise instead of it." The Prophet added, "The dead person will see both his places. But a non-believer or a hypocrite will say to the angels, I do not know, but I used to say what the people used to say! It will be said to him, Neither did you know nor did you take the guidance (by reciting the Quran). Then he will be hit with an iron hammer between his two ears, and he will cry and that cry will be heard by whatever approaches him except human beings and jinns." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 422)

RESPONSE:

How does this Hadith compare with Jesus killing innocent children? The sayings of Prophet Muhammad are metaphorical about the Herafter, so the above Hadith is metaphorical.

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The metaphor of a believer who recites the Qur'an is that of a citron - its scent is fragrant and its taste is good. The metaphor of a believer who does not recite the Qur'an is that of a date - it has no scent but its taste is sweet. The metaphor of a hypocrite who recites the Qur'an is that of basil - its scent is fragrant but its taste is bitter. The metaphor of a hypocrite who does not recite the Qur'an is that of colocynth - it has no scent and its taste is bitter." [1]

Shamoun does not realize the Bible uses similar metaphors:

The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. (Isaiah 34:6) (*)

Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. (2 Samuel 22:8-12)

Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. (Psalms 91:3-4)

In that day the Lord will use a razor hired from beyond the River —the king of Assyria—to shave your head and the hair of your legs, and to take off your beards also. (Isaiah 7:20)

All of these passages are figurative; God does not have nostrils, He does not “shave your head”, He does not have wings. The Angel of God blows the disbelievers with a hammer, not a real one. The “hammer” signifies the pain.

Below are a few expressions:

The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. (Isaiah 42:13)

The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. (Exodus 15:3)

The LORD's hand was against them until he had completely eliminated them from the camp. (Deu. 2:15)

We see clearly the Hadith and the Old Testament are metaphorical with Arabic/Hebrew expressions. 

“Figurative language has its rise in the first ages of mankind: the scarcity of words occasioned them to be used for various purposes: and thus figurative terms, which constitute the beauty of language, arose from its poverty; and it is still the same in all uncivilized nations” (Thomas Horne, An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures, 1841, p. 353)

The conclusion is that Angels are too merciful and Loving, God has given angels the power to inflict pain on the disbelievers. How does this Hadith compare with Revelations 21:8 about burning sulfur?

HE WROTE:

Narrated AbuHurayrah
Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: When the dead body (of a Muslim) is buried in the grave there appear before him two Angels, both having black faces and blue eyes. One is called Munkar and the other is called Nakir and they say: Say what you have to say about this person and he will say: He is the servant of Allah and His Messenger. I bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger and they both will say: We already knew that you would say this. Then his grave will be expanded to the extent of 4900 square cubic feet and it will be illuminated, then it will be said to him: Go to sleep and he will say: I intend to go to my family in order to inform them and they would say: Go to sleep like the sleep of a newly wedded bride whom no one awakens but one who is dearest to her amongst his family members. Only Allah would resurrect him from his resting place. If he (the dead) were a hypocrite he will say: I heard people making a statement (pertaining to the oneness of Allah and the apostlehood of Muhammad) and I said the same but I do not know. And they would say: We already knew that you would say this and the earth will be told to press him and it will press him till his ribs are clasped together and he will not be relieved of the torment till Allah resurrects him from his resting-place.
Transmitted by Tirmidhi. (Tirmidhi Hadith, Number 44– ALIM CD-ROM Version)

RESPONSE:

The Holy Prophet is saying that disbelievers will be punished for their own sins, and God will resurrect the wicked from their graves. The resurrection will take place on Judgment Day.

The above Hadith reflects the Holy Quran’s view on hypocrites, God expresses His anger for the hypocrites who betrayed the Prophet Muhammad, and so they deserve the punishment.

Nevertheless, God is merciful enough to forgive the sins. He decides whether to punish the hypocrite.

To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: To Him do all questions go back (for decision). (Al-Quran 3:109, 22:76)

He knows what is before them and what is behind them: and to Allah go back all questions (for decision). (Al-Quran 22:76)

The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will Judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. (Al-Quran 2:113)

Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will Judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (Al-Quran 3:55)

HE WROTE:

Narrated AbuSa’id
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There dominate NINETY-NINE DRAGONS over the unbeliever in the grave. They (constantly) bite him and sting him till there comes the hour (of resurrection). (These dragons are so poisonous) that if one of them exhales on the Earth, no verdure will ever grow upon it.
Reported by Darimi, Tirmidhi transmitted something similar but he said seventy instead of ninety-nine. (Tirmidhi Hadith, Number 46– ALIM CD-ROM Version)

Narrated AbuSa’id
When the Prophet (peace be upon him) went out to the prayer and saw the people looking as if they were grinning he said, "If you were to keep much in remembrance death which is the cutter-off of pleasures, it would distract you from what I see. Keep much in remembrance death which is the cutter-off of pleasure, for a day does not come to the grave without its saying, ‘I am the house of exile, I am the house of solitude, I am the house of dust, I am the house of worms.’ When a believer dies the grave says to him, ‘Welcome and greeting; you are indeed the dearest to me of those who walk upon me. I have been given charge of you today and you have come to me and you will see how I shall treat you.' It will then expand for him as far as the eye can see and a door to Paradise will be opened for him. But when the profligate or infidel is buried the grave says to him, ‘No welcome and no greeting to you; you are the most hateful to me of those who walk upon me. I have been given charge of you today and you have come to me and you will see how I shall treat you.’ AbuSa'id told that Allah's Messenger indicated it by interlacing his fingers. Then he said, "SEVENTY DRAGONS will be put in charge of him of such a nature that if one of them were to breathe on the earth it would produce no crops as long as the world lasted, and they will bite and scratch him till he is brought to the reckoning." He also reported Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) as saying. "The grave is one of the gardens of Paradise, or one of the pits of Hell."
Tirmidhi transmitted it. (Tirmidhi Hadith, Number 1429– ALIM CD-ROM Version)

RESPONSE:

Muslims do not believe in literal dragons, the Holy Quran never mentions dragons. In Chinese mythology, the dragon breathes fire, so the dragons are really the Jinns, who are created from smokeless fire.

The Bible mentions dragons!

The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen. (Isaiah 43:20)

The scholar John Gill explains the dragons are not literal

The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons, and the owls,.... Which is not to be understood literally of these creatures, who as they had honoured the Lord, when Israel passed through the wilderness, so would again in their way praise the Lord, when they came through the deserts from Babylon, for giving them water to drink in such dry and thirsty places, to which there may be an allusion; but spiritually of the Gentiles, compared to those creatures for the savageness, fierceness, and stupidity of them, and who were reckoned by the Jews no other than as the beasts of the field; who should honour and glorify God for the Gospel brought unto them, and for his grace and mercy bestowed on them: [1]

According to the NT, the “dragon” is metaphorically used for Satan.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. (Revelations 12:3)

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (Revelations 12:7, 9)

The dragons in the Bible are not literal, so the “dragons” in the Hadith are figurative also.

HE WROTE:

It is one thing to depict spiritual realities in a materialistic or physical manner or to use the metaphor of mythical creatures to describe spiritual entities like Satan:

"In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea." Isaiah 27:1

"And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world -- he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." Revelation 12:9

"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while." Revelation 20:1-3

RESPONSE:

The Bible contains 101 myths and legends, it also contains beast legends. You should carefully study your own Bible before making stupid judgments. There are historical errors and scientific errors in the Bible, contradictions, sex literature, and extreme violence. [1] [2] [3] [4]

We shall expose the Bible’s great myths:

The trees once went out to anoint a king over them, and they said to the olive tree, 'Reign over us.' But the olive tree said to them, 'Shall I leave my abundance, by which gods and men are honored, and go hold sway over the trees?' And the trees said to the fig tree, 'You come and reign over us.' But the fig tree said to them, 'Shall I leave my sweetness and my good fruit and go hold sway over the trees?' And the trees said to the vine, 'You come and reign over us.' But the vine said to them, 'Shall I leave my wine that cheers God and men and go hold sway over the trees?' Then all the trees said to the bramble, 'You come and reign over us.' And the bramble said to the trees, 'If in good faith you are anointing me king over you, then come and take refuge in my shade, but if not, let fire come out of the bramble and devour the cedars of Lebanon.' (Judges 9:8-15)

But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed. And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim. Therefore said he, Take it up to thee. And he put out his hand, and took it. (2 Kings 6:5-7)

The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people. (Matthew 27:52-53)

When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat her with his staff. Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?" (Numbers 22:27-28)

And Samson went and caught three hundred foxes, and took firebrands, and turned tail to tail, and put a firebrand in the midst between two tails. And when he had set the brands on fire, he let them go into the standing corn of the Philistines, and burnt up both the shocks, and also the standing corn, with the vineyards and olives. (Judges 15:4-5)

He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. (2 Samuel 22:10-11)

And after him was Shamgar the son of Anath, which slew of the Philistines six hundred men with an ox goad: and he also delivered Israel. (Judges 3:31)

The Bible is a book of mythology, legends mixed with History. [*]

Deceptions and Myths of the Bible

101 Myths of the Bible

Bible Myths and their Parallels in Other Religions

Holy Writ as Oral Lit: The Bible as Folklore:

HE WROTE:

Or even of wicked rulers like Pharaoh:

"speak, and say, Thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Behold, I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lies in the midst of his streams, that says, "My Nile is my own; I made it."’" Ezekiel 29:3

It is quite another thing to speak of dragons literally coming to torture disembodied souls while in their graves!

RESPONSE:

There is no evidence the Holy Prophet meant literal dragons, the Quranic Revelation never mentions “dragons”. The Prophet spoke metaphorically, so he was speaking of Jinns, who are similar to dragons.

Allah has created different types of jinn. Among them are some who can take on different forms such as dogs and snakes; some who are like flying winds with wings; and some who can travel and rest. Abu Tha`labah al-Khushni says that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) says: “The jinn are of three types: a type that has wings and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey.” (Reported by At-Tahawi in Mushkil Al-’Athar)  [1]

Moreover, the Jinn can take the form of dragons:

 

That which clearly distinguishes the Jinn from mankind, are their powers and abilities. Allah has given them these powers as a test for them. If they oppress others with them, then they will be held accountable. By knowing of their powers, we can often make sense of much of the mysteries which go on around us. One of the powers of the Jinn, is that they are able to take on any physical form they like. Thus, they can appear as humans, animals trees and anything else. [2]

Shamoun has failed to prove that Jinns are physical creatures, they are spiritual beings created from smokeless fire.

We recommend the following articles:

http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/jinn2.html

http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/belief/jinn.html

Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

Rebuttals to Sam Shamoun's Articles section.

Contradictions and Errors in the Bible.

Articles by Abdullah Smith.

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