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Do People and Angels bowing down to Jesus in Worship really prove that he is the Creator of the Universe?

Absolutely not!

The sections of this article are:

1-  Jesus clearly defined who must be religiously worshiped in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  Responds to verse Matthew 15:9 in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
2-  Did David worship Saul when he prostrated his face down to the ground before him?
      -  More examples of people bowing down to others (See also Isaiah 1:9-17: Yahweh called Israel Sodom, because it spreads evil and is unjust).

3-  So what about the Verses where Jesus was worshiped?

4-  The English-translated word "Worship" doesn't mean so in the Greek Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  Some popular Bibles don't even have the word "Worship" in them for Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

5-  People dared to praise Jesus as GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  Jesus refuted them.

6- In Islam, Allah Almighty ordered the Angels to bow down to Adam.  In Islam, bowing down is different from worshiping, as Allah Almighty ordered the Angels to bow down to Adam.

     -  This story also exists in the Jewish Old Manuscripts.

7-  Jesus said "only GOD is good" in Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19.

8-  Conclusion.

Trinitarian translators seem to enjoy very much twisting the truth about Jesus by trying SO DESPERATELY HARD to prove that he is the Creator of the Universe.  They translate their Bibles in the way it makes Jesus appear to be the Father himself in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  I will debunk this lie for them and expose them and prove that they are nothing but deceiving satans who will lead their followers into the Ultimate Destruction of Hell!

Let us begin.....

1-  Jesus clearly defined who must be religiously worshiped in the Bibles:

" 'All this I will give you,' he (Satan) said (to Jesus), 'if you will bow down and worship me.'  Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'   (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 4:9-10)"

In this verse, we clearly see that Jesus refused to obey to Satan's commands by taking Satan as his GOD or Superior.  Jesus told him that non shall be worshiped except GOD Almighty.  If Jesus was GOD Almighty Himself as Trinitarians falsely claim, then his answer to Satan would be completely different!

"They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.  (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:9)"  

"They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 7:7)"

Important Note:  Please visit the "The English-translated word "Worship" doesn't mean so in the Greek Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  Some popular Bibles don't even have the word "Worship" in them for Jesus" section below to see that the word "Worship" is a clear mistranslation and it must not be taken literally to falsely prove that Jesus is GOD Himself.

In the above verses, we see Jesus indirectly referring to what we call today the "Trinitarian Christians".  He said that they will follow the religion in the wrong way, because they will follow the man-made religion, or the religion (rules) made by men.

This exactly fits the Trinitarians today, because they believe in chopping GOD Almighty into three pieces and claim that he is a triune god.  Well, did you know that the word "Trinity" doesn't even exist in the Bible?! 

I mean, if Trinity is the very central faith for the Christian belief, as Christians often refer to it as the "Holy Trinity".   Then wouldn't you agree with me that the word itself, "Trinity", should at the very extreme least exist in the Bible?!

Otherwise, wouldn't you be following men's "rules  (Mark 7:7)" of interpretations and conclusions and basing your entire destiny upon them?

Trinitarians must admit that "Trinity" is a very controversial belief in the Bible, because it has no solid concrete ground to stand on what so ever.  As I said, the word itself doesn't even exist in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  This false dogma is nothing but a misleading Satanic deception that fools men with weak hearts.

"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.  (From the NIV Bible, John 4:23)"

Again, here we clearly see how Jesus defined the true worship.  It is the Worship of GOD Almighty alone!  There is no "trinity worshiping".  This is all bogus man made lies and "rules  (Mark 7:7)" that misinterpret what Jesus really meant.

2-  Did David worship Saul when he prostrated his face down to the ground before him?

Let's look at the following verses:

1 Samuel 24
7 With these words David rebuked his men and did not allow them to attack Saul. And Saul left the cave and went his way.
8 Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, "My lord the king!" When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.
9 He said to Saul, "Why do you listen when men say, 'David is bent on harming you'?

Notice how David called Saul "my lord".   While this is elaborated on much greatly in this article, but I just find it quite ridiculous that trinitarian Christians use "Jesus is lord" as a desperate proof for their lies about Jesus being our so-called "Creator".

Also, when David prostrated his face down to the ground to Saul, was he worshiping Saul as if Saul was GOD Almighty?

More examples:

2 Samuel 14:4
4 When the woman from Tekoa went to the king, she fell with her face to the ground to pay him honor, and she said, "Help me, O king!"

2 Samuel 14:22
22 Joab fell with his face to the ground to pay him honor, and he blessed the king. Joab said, "Today your servant knows that he has found favor in your eyes, my lord the king, because the king has granted his servant's request."

3-  So what about the Verses where Jesus was worshiped?

Let us look at what the English word "worship" means from www.dictionary.com

Worship:
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=worship

wor·ship
n.

1. 1. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
   2. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
2. Ardent devotion; adoration.
3. often Worship Chiefly British. Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.

v. wor·shiped, or wor·shipped wor·ship·ing, or wor·ship·ping wor·ships or wor·ships
v. tr.

1. To honor and love as a deity.
2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere¹.

Further definition:

Revere:

http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=revere

re·vere
tr.v. re·vered, re·ver·ing, re·veres

To regard with awe, deference, and devotion.

Synonyms: revere, ¹worship, venerate, adore, idolize
These verbs mean to regard with the deepest respect, deference, and esteem. Revere suggests awe coupled with profound honor: “At least one third of the population... reveres every sort of holy man” (Rudyard Kipling). Worship implies reverent love and homage rendered to God or a god: The ancient Egyptians worshiped a number of gods. In a more general sense worship connotes an often uncritical devotion: “She had worshiped intellect” (Charles Kingsley). Venerate connotes reverence accorded by virtue, especially of dignity or age: “I venerate the memory of my grandfather” (Horace Walpole). To adore is to worship with deep, often rapturous love: The students adored their caring teacher. Idolize implies worship like that accorded an object of religious devotion: He idolizes his wife.

As we clearly see above in the high lighted words in dark green, the word worship may not necessarily be used for GOD Almighty alone, even in the English language.  It could very well be used for showing a great respect for someone you highly regard or love.

There is a difference between taking just a word and making a false dogma out of it, and taking the whole argument of Jesus about the word "worship" in the Bible, and clearly see that he defined the True Religious Worship to be for GOD Almighty alone, and not for anyone else, as clearly shown above.

Important Note:  In the next section below in this article, you will clearly see that the word "Worship" is not even the correct translation according to the Greek Bibles.  All of the necessary quotes and references that prove this are listed in the next section below in this article.

Let us look at some of the weak "Trinitarian" verses that supposedly prove Jesus to be the Creator of the Universe according to their false dogma:

"Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.  (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 28:9)"

"While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.  Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.   And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.  (From the NIV Bible, Luke 24:51-53)"

"Then the man said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshiped him.   (From the NIV Bible, John 9:38)"

"And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him.'  (From the NIV Bible, Hebrews 1:6)"

Very nice, it seems that Trinitarians are confused about people loving and adoring Jesus peace be upon him so much that they would greet him by either bending down their heads while standing (which could be considered an act of worship), or by bowing down on their hands and knees and greeting him with an act of worship.  They think this would without a doubt the Creator of the Universe.

Notice in Luke 24:53 it says "praising God" and not "praising Jesus".  After they finished greeting Jesus, who was given the power to heal the sick, cure the blind, and bring the dead into life, they returned to Jerusalem and Worshiped GOD Almighty.

Please be advised that some people in the Old Testament were too given the power to heal the sick, cure the blind, and bring the dead into life by GOD Almighty.  So Jesus' miracles don't prove that he is GOD Almighty at all!  Read 1 Kings 17:22, 2 Kings 4:34, 2 Kings 6:17,20, 2 Kings 5:14, and 2 Kings 4:44 for more details.

As I said, you have to take the entire argument of Jesus about the word "worship" to fully understand that GOD Almighty is an Absolute Undivided One GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

4-  The English-translated word "Worship" doesn't mean so in the Greek Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  Some popular Bibles don't even have the word "Worship" in them for Jesus:

The following is an email I received from brother Arman; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

From:    armanrulz@yahoo.com (Shades of Light)
To:    ISLM4EVR1@aol.com
Subj:    "Worshipped"...
Date:    10/3/01 7:00:02 PM Central Daylight Time

As-Salamu Alaikum akhi Abu Ziyad,

Insha'Allah this reaches you in the best of health and Iman.  I just finished reading your "Worship" article.  As is usual from your output on such matters, it was beautifully written, Hamdlillah!

I might add that the Greek word used for what the Biblical editors mistranslate as "Worshipped" is 'prosekunesan'.  It is derived from 'proskuneo' (4352), which literally means bow, crouch, crawl, kneel or prostrate.  Interestingly, there is absolutely no text of prayer associated with the recorded acts of "prosekuneo" to Jesus{peace be upon him} in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

That is why, for example when dealing with the subject of the three wise sages encountering the infant Jesus{peace be upon him} as recorded in Mathew 2:11, instead of using the word "worshipped", the 'New English Bible' translates the text of the quoted verse as: "bowed to the ground". 

Furthermore, in the 'New Revised Standard Version' the text of the quoted verse reads: "they knelt down and paid him homage".

Hope this has shed further light into the matter.

The source is:

NEW STRONG'S EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE OF THE BIBLE
By James Strong, S.T.D., LL.D. of Madison N.J.
Published by the WORLD BIBLE PUBLISHERS INC.,
P.O.BOX 370, IOWA FALLS, IA. 50126
ISBN 0-529-07235-1

Yours' in Allah,
Arman.

5-  People dared to praise Jesus as GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  Jesus refuted them:

“And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)”

"Here, O Israel:  The Lord our God is one Lord.  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

"My Father (GOD) is greater than I.  (From the NIV Bible, John 14:28)"

"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.   (From the NIV Bible, John 5:31)"

"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.   (From the NIV Bible, John 5:30)"

"...You have never heard his (GOD's) voice nor seen his form...(From the NIV Bible, John 5:37)"

"Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit.  (From the NIV Bible, Luke 23:46)"

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.  (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 24:36)"   Not even Jesus knows when the Hour will come!   How in the World can he be the Creator of the Universe?!

"1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
decide by what he hears with his ears;  (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 11:1-3)"

If Jesus had the spirit of fearing GOD in him, then how in the world is he the Creator of the Universe?!  Please visit The Spirit of GOD Almighty came upon many people before and after Jesus in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

6-  In Islam, Allah Almighty ordered the Angels to bow down to Adam:

It is important to know that the word "worship" in the Middle East doesn't always apply to GOD Almighty alone.  Even in Islam, Allah Almighty ordered the Angels to bow down to Adam peace be upon him (which by the way also exists in the original Bible as the next sub-section proves):

"And behold, We said to the angels: 'Bow down to Adam:' and they bowed down: Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.  (The Noble Quran, 2:34)"

"It is We Who created you And gave you shape; Then We bade the angels to bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis; he refused to be of those who bow down.  (The Noble Quran, 7:11)"

"When I have fashioned him (Adam) and breathed into him of My Spirit, Fall ye down in obeisance Unto him.  So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together: Not so Iblis: he refused to be among those who prostrated themselves.  (The Noble Quran, 15:29-31)"

"Behold! We said to the angels: 'Bow down unto Adam': They bowed down except Iblis: He said: "Shall I bow down to one whom Thou didst create from clay?'  (The Noble Quran, 17:61)"

In Islam, Allah Almighty is One, True, Absolute GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.  (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"  

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said:

Narrated 'Umar: "I heard the Prophet saying, 'Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle.'  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 654)" 

This story also exists in the Jewish Old Manuscripts:

In the Book of "The Life of Adam and Eve" or "The Lives of Adam and Eve", the story of how all evil began is mentioned in it.  After GOD Almighty Created Adam, peace be upon him, He Ordered the Angels to bow down to him in honor and respect.  All did except satan, for he was too arrogant.  Let us listen to this portion of the "Banned from the Bible" documentary film where historians, theologians and books' authors were the spokes people in this film.  So it is very reliable and the information in it is both authentic and objective.

1-  The history of the book and how old it was (an AUDIO file. 74 seconds).

Theologians' voices are:

1. Dr. James Vanderkam, Notre Dame University.
2. Kirsti Barrett Copeland, Ph.D., Religion, Princeton University.

2-  An AUDIO file (47 seconds) about the story of GOD Almighty, Adam and satan.

Theologian's voice:

1. Dr. James Vanderkam, Notre Dame University.

7-  Jesus said "only GOD is good" in Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19:

Let us look at what Jesus said regarding his status and GOD Almighty's:

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

From https://www.answering-christianity.com/q_only_god_good_rebuttal.htm:

My response:

It's funny how the polytheist trinitarian pagans constantly try to twist and deceive to prove satan's biggest lie in history, trinity.  Jesus was not "sinlessness".  Jesus also was defeated by a woman's wisdom and changed his racist views about non-Jews being the "Jews' dogs" (see point #7 in the article).  While Mark 10:18 does not mean that Jesus is admitting to be evil (by saying he is not good), but it definitely sets the record straight about him not being GOD Almighty.

As I mentioned in my other article about the Holy Spirit in Islam is a Creation of GOD Almighty, Jesus is not only "not good", but he also has the "Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty" in him:

Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:

1-  Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.

2-  Spirit of Counsel and of power.

3-  Spirit of Knowledge.

4-  Spirit of the fear of the LORD.

Also, the verses above say "and he will delight in the fear of the LORD", which clearly proves that Jesus is under GOD Almighty and can not be equivalent to Him or part of Him, because GOD Almighty has no fear in Him.  He Created fear, or the Spirit of Fear, and He installs it on whom ever He pleases.   But He Himself doesn't have that Spirit in Him!

The verses above also say "He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;...", which further proves that Jesus is not part of GOD Almighty, because GOD Almighty Speaks and Hears whatever He Pleases!

The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

Also, another important point to notice in Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19 is the word "alone":   ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said "alone".  If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.

"Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was not GOD!"

I sometimes get asked by trinitarians to show them where Jesus said that he WAS NOT GOD Almighty in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  Ironically, it is like having this scenario:

Q.  Show me where John Doe said that he was not the President of the United States!  Show me the quote now!!

A.  He just said he works as a computer programmer you brainless idiot! :-)

Jesus said he was not good.  He can't possibly say I am your Creator and by the way I am not good.  The question itself shows the complete ignorance about what's written in the bible and reveals the total blasphemy and darkness that polytheist trinitarian pagans are living in.

Jesus is not GOD!  The GOD Almighty of the Old Testament BOASTS about Himself!  He countlessly reminds the Jews about Worshiping Him and only Him because He is the "One who took them out of Egypt", and He's the "One who Saved them from Pharaoh", etc...  Not only that, but He also Punishes to death anyone who profanes His Holy and Blessed Name.

Jesus can not be this Holy and Mighty and Arrogant and Absolute GOD Almighty when he, for instance, escaped to Egypt for his life from King Herod!   The GOD Almighty's Divine Characteristics in the Old Testament can not in anyway fit Jesus who is not "good" and who runs for his life from a creation of GOD Almighty.

For more information, please visit: Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?

I have ample detailed refutations to the lie of trinity on my site.  You can further see them to clearly understand that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One and not a unity or trinity as satan claims.

Also visit:

The early Christians rejected Trinity.   Early Christians had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified or not.

Early Christians' Doctrines confirm Jesus DID NOT GET crucified.  See proofs that the early Christians' scriptures during the 1st and 2nd centuries claimed that GOD Almighty Saved Jesus from crucifixion.

The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the Old and New Testaments.    Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

Emanuel, Emmanuel, Yahshua, Yeshua, Yashua, Immanuel and Imanuel.  These were all "Godly" names given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  None of them is unique.   Only "Yahweh" was GOD Almighty's Unique Name.

8-  Conclusion:

It is quite clear that the polytheist trinitarian pagans' choice of translation by choosing the word "worship" is very misleading and deceiving.   They are desperate to prove their trinity lie by any cost, even if it means twisting the words and changing their meanings.

As you clearly saw above from the Greek translation, the word "prosekunesan" doesn't at all mean that Jesus was the Creator of the Universe.  It simply means that he was well respected by GOD Almighty, that GOD caused for some people and some Angels to bow down to him in honor as this also happened in the Old Testament as I clearly proved above.

Jesus' high status and honor does not automatically make him the Creator of the Universe!  Ironically, he himself refuted the trinity lie using Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19 above.

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