Quran's STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1] Allah Almighty also promised in several Divine Prophecies that He will show the Glorious Quran's Miracles to mankind: 1- The root letters for "message" and all of its derivatives occur 513 times throughout the Glorious Quran. Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the Prophets' and Messengers' actual names (Muhammad, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc....) were also all mentioned 513 times in the Glorious Quran. The detailed breakdown of all of this is thoroughly listed here. This Miracle is covered in 100s (hundreds) of Noble Verses.2- Allah Almighty said that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years. Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah (chapter Noah) is exactly written in 950 Letters. You can thoroughly see the accurate count in the scanned images.Coincidence? See 1,000s of examples [1]. Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles. |
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In response to Ali Sina’s article “The
World’s Greatest Showman”
“World's Greatest Jester”
By
Suhail Khalid
Some points for the readers:
1. Please watch the full debate between Dr.
William Campbell and Dr. Zakir Naik on the topic “THE QURAN AND THE BIBLE
IN THE LIGHT OF SCIENCE”.
2. You can download the following debate
from Ali Sina’s site: http://www../debates/NaikCampbellintro.htm#content
3. Afterwards, read Ali Sina’s article
“World’s Greatest Showman” for which links are provided down below in my paper.
Are Miracles Real?
Ali Sina:
Right from the onset…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp3.htm)
…grammatical errors of his book.
Answer:
Readers!
First of all it is very inane to solicit a proof of an event or a miracle that
had occurred in the past. We could only find such claims in history or in
books. We cannot carry out those miracles in modern age in order to defend our
claims. The only imperative thing for Ali Sina to discern is people practicing major
religions have faith in miracles. Also he does not have any proof to show that
miracles were not transpired in the past but just only to provide what his
minuscule mind deems and what science has to say. I am posing him a counter
question if he can endow me with a proof where he can illustrate us that
miracles were not happening in the past. I would advise him just not to utter
straight that miracles are nothing but fairy tales without any “EVIDENCE”.
Secondly,
miracle may not be an assessment if a person is authentic or not since they
were performed by loads of people in many religions like Hinduism, Christianity
and Islam. Similarly, how can one verify a person, genuine, if he is performing
miracles?
We
Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) performed many miracles.
However, we do not boast about them since the only verification we can provide
you, are from the Holy Scriptures upon which people like Ali Sina do not have reliance.
The only living miracle we boast about is the Holy Quran. And I will not ask him
to outdo the Quranic challenge of producing a some what similar chapter like
Quran, because I do really think that he is not competent enough. However,
challenge is still open for the whole humanity.
Christianity
and Islam are the two major religions in the world and they both have their
beliefs in miracles, and from some where in the dark, populace like him roll up
alongside and start disseminating in opposition to miracles. Isn't it fooling enough
that he is negating something on "NO EVIDENCE" in hand. Let him produce
the proof if he is authentic. Prove me miracles do not exist?
I will later rebut his article on “Muhammad disclaimed
being able to perform any miracles.”
Insha
Allah, I will ascertain Quran to be the word of Allah by His blessings and
grace in this paper.
Yet
again that is Ali Sina’s postulation that non-Muslims do not aver Quran to be
the finest Arabic literature and he supposed that if they believed in this why
they don’t convert. For example; if I declare that King James Version of the Bible
has the very best English Literature, does it mean I believe in Christianity or
I am a Christian? Answer is “NO”. And it is true that I take pleasure in reading
King James Version and in my outlook it is much superior in terms of literature
than any other versions of the Bible. Similarly the non-Muslim Arabic speaking
people can find Quran to be the best Arabic Literature. What so astounding about
it? We are not imposing them to adapt Islam first and then testify the Quranic
Literature. That’s mere stupidity from Ali Sina.
And
on what scale he is concluding Quran to be not the best of Arabic Literature. Does
he have any other High-Rank Arabic Literature available from where he can judge
Quran’s Arabic? If he produces such a book he will be able to trounce the
challenge of Quran where it inquires for a some what similar chapter like it’s.
If
he has it, then present it? Because of some imprudent non-Arab non-Muslims
allegedly found some grammatical mistakes in Quran, he is pronouncing that
Quran does not have best of Arabic Literature. That’s mere idiocy again from
Ali Sina.
I
am posting here a few quotations from non-Muslims admiring Quran to be of the
best Arabic Literature.
-
Goethe
– quoted in T. P. Huges “Dictionary of Islam”, page 526:
“It
soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence... Its style, in
accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand - ever and always, truly
sublime - So, this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent
influence."
-
G.
Maragliouth in his Introduction to J. M. Rodwells - `The Koran`,
“The
Koran (Qur'an) admittedly occupies an important position among the great
religious books of the world. Though it is the youngest of the epoch making
works belonging to this class of literature, it yields to hardly any in the
wonderful effect which it has produced on large masses of men. It has created
an all but new phase of human thought and a fresh type of character. It first
transformed a number of heterogeneous desert tribes of the Arabian peninsula
into a nation of heroes, and then proceeded to create the vast
politico-religious organizations of Muslims world wide which are one of the
great forces with which
-
Dr.
Steingass quoted in T. P. Hughes - `Dictionary of Islam`, pages 256-257:
“A
work, then, which calls forth so powerful and seemingly incompatible emotions
even in the distant reader - distant as to time, and still more so as mental
development - a work which not only conquers the repugnance which he may begin
its perusal, but changes this adverse feeling into astonishment and admiration,
such a work must be a wonderful production...
indeed and a problem of the highest interest to every thoughtful observer of
the destinies of mankind."
“Here, therefore, its merits as a
literary production should perhaps not be measured by some preconceived maxims
of subjective and aesthetic taste, but by the effects which it produced in
Muhammad's contemporaries and fellow countrymen.
If
it spoke so powerfully and convincingly to the hearts of his hearers as to weld
hitherto centrifugal and antagonistic elements into one compact and well
organized body, animated by ideas far beyond those which had until now ruled
the Arabian mind, then its eloquence was perfect, simply because it created a
civilized nation out of savage tribes, and shot a fresh woof into the old warp
of history"
-
Dr.
Maurice Bucaille – author of `The Bible, the Quran and Science` 1978, page 125:
“It
is impossible that Muhammad, peace be upon him, authored the Qur'an. How could
a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of
literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?
How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other
human-being could possibly have developed at that time, an all this without
once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?"
-
Arthur
J. Arberry - `The Koran Interpreted`,
“In
making the present attempt to improve on the performance of my predecessors,
and to produce something which might be accepted as echoing however faintly the
sublime rhetoric of the Arabic Koran, I have been at pain to study the
intricate and richly varied rhythms which - apart from the message itself -
constitute the Koran's undeniable claim to rank amongst the greatest literary
masterpieces of mankind..
This very characteristic feature - 'that inimitable symphony', as the believing
Pickthall described his Holy Book, 'the very sounds of which move men to tears
and ecstasy' has been almost totally ignored by previous translators; it is
therefore not surprising that what they have wrought sounds dull and flat
indeed in comparison with the splendidly decorated original.."
Readers!
I will pose the same argument as mentioned above. Ali Sina and his disciples managed
to have allegedly found only 18 grammatical mistakes out of thousands of
verses. Wow, what an achievement. Parenthetically, this is not the theme under
discussion. I will certainly reply some other time regarding all the grubby
things he has stated above (insha Allah). In future, my counsel to him is to
affix to the topic and do not go astray.
Regarding
scientific errors, readers can find my replies further down the document.
Einstein’s Religiosity:
Ali Sina:
(Dr.
Naik) let us analyze whether the Quran is compatible…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp3.htm)
…which is a blind religion that opposes science.
Answer:
Readers!
Yes, Ali Sina is right over here. Albert Einstein was not speaking a propos to Islam
when he avowed this citation. Neither did Dr. Zakir Naik connote Islam when he
presented Einstein’s quotation. It is Ali Sina who is hypocrite and dupe by
relating Einstein’s quotation to Islam. He does not seem to be able to judge
the hidden truth.
Dr.
Zakir Naik was just merely presenting a quotation of Albert Einstein and it can
be referred to any religion. Solely, it doesn’t have to be Islam. He was just
revealing people the relation between religion and science in the words of
Albert Einstein.
Regarding
other craps Ali Sina inscribed in his arguments where he mocks Islam in
relation to Science, I will deal with it in this discussion insha Allah.
Big Bang in the Quran?
Ali Sina:
(Dr.
Naik) As far as Qura’n and modern science is…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp3.htm)
…and both are scientifically wrong.
Answer:
Readers!
How can be the story of Adam and Eve false if Big Bang theory is true? I again
sense hoodwink in Ali Sina’s arguments. Again story of Adam & Eve is out of
this discussion, however, I am still retorting subjects like Evolution and Big
Bang in this dialogue as they were also stated by Dr. Zakir Naik in his speech.
It
seems his concept is pointing towards the theory of evolution. If I disprove
theory of evolution then by design (as set by Ali Sina) Big Bang and story of Adam
and Eve befall to be true. This is what I assumed from what he had written in
his post.
If
he is really using theory of evolution to prove the story of Big Bang and Adam
& Eve, then please bear in mind that he can nevertheless prove it by putting
himself as an example; because he deems like an ape and he comports himself like
an ape. And confidently he could start from his good self a new evolution of
people with brains like apes.
In
order to prove his testimonies he has to answer following questions:
1. Prove “Theory of Evolution” as a universal
fact?
2. Prove that how complex living cells transform
to high-order species by random mutation as postulated by Darwin and his
followers?
3. As DNA is unique for each type of a living
species, prove that how can it be manipulated to produce the DNA of another
species?
4. Prove how the living cells of a species
spontaneously combine to form the more complex organized structures such as a
single DNA molecule?
Chemically,
amino acids and other basic compounds cannot be artificially organized into the
smallest unit of DNA. DNA, unique for each type of a living species, cannot be
manipulated to produce the DNA of another species. Any such manipulation could
only interfere with its functioning but not with its identity. Hence,
genetically, evolution is basically impossible.
Thermodynamically,
all matter, if left alone, tends to get more disorganized. Hence, chemical
molecules could not, on their own, combine to form the more complex organized
structures such as a single DNA molecule. Similarly, the living cells of a
species cannot spontaneously evolve into a more complex organized species.
Natural
selection, one of the pillars of the evolution myth, cannot produce a
higher-order species from a simpler one. If a species fails to adapt to its
surrounding environment, this would either lead to extinction or to
modification of its behavior and function, but could never change its identity
to another.
This
tarnished theory is greatly applauded by atheists and materialist cultures
which is a dogma far from being a possibility and is much less a scientific
fact. Disguised in attire of science and propagated by populace like Ali Sina
and his disciples who tend to conceal its frailties until it permeated into the
intellects of population.
It’s
lucid that Ali Sina’s approach to prove something is so obscure and perplexing
to the readers in finding out the truth. He seldom endows evidences when lay
allegations against Quran. If some how he quotes a verse thinking that it will
defend his intellect, then he only produces his self-crafted smeared
terminologies as proofs that just do not make any impression usually. Or may be
he lacks knowledge of Holy Scriptures, their eloquence and exquisiteness of
lexis and how they should be inferred.
If
he destined evolution in his inquiry with the intention of deterring the theory
of Big Bang and Adam & Eve, I be inclined to tell him that I have proven
evolution to be a sham and thus alongside also proven the story of Big Bang and
Adam & Eve to be veritable.
Readers!
Concerning Quranic verse 21:30 and Genesis verse 1:6-9, Ali Sina alleged that
this Quranic verse has rehashing of the Genesis. It’s like he is alleging the
notion that Quran in many places states “not to kill innocent” and Bible also
refers the similar idea, and subsequently he concluded straight away that Quran
has really plagiarized the verse from the Bible. It’s specious. Like for
example;
“And slay not the life which Allah hath
forbidden…” (Quran 17:33)
“…Do not kill…” (Mark 10:19)
There
is a high possibility that Bible has a few verses which can be analogous in
Quran also. That does not make Quran fallible. If bible is aiming to a correct scientific
fact or terminology, so does Quran too.
Similarly,
there are numerous verses in Quran that portray alike occurrences in different
ways as judged against Bible. Like for example the birth of Jesus, Quran explains
the birth of Jesus this way:
"O my Lord! How shall I have a son
when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what
He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
(Quran 3:47)
And
Bible gives you a diverse perception of the birth of Jesus Christ:
“And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow
thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be
called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35 – KJV)
Readers!
I expect you perceive the disparity now. Quran speaks about How Allah has
created Jesus, “He wills
it and thing comes into being”. And in
Bible’s words, Holy Ghost (a.k.a God) sired Marry. (Astaghfurullah)
How
sightless Ali Sina is in faith that he cannot not even perceives the creation
of Jesus as mentioned in the Bible, is so in exact opposite those of Quran and
populace still allege Quran to be forged from the Bible. How can Quran rule out
such a grand testimony of the Bible upon which the whole “Christian-dom” lays?
Quran is not the by-product of Bible, Ali Sina; I am pronouncing again Quran is
not made-up from the Bible.
Readers!
As said by Ali Sina that Quranic verse 21:30 has a rehashing of Genesis 1:6-9. Evidently,
no where in Genesis Chapter 1 (Whole Chapter) has
an allusion that heavens and the earth were “joined together” and they
were “separated” later. Let’s read verse 1:
“In the beginning God created heaven and
the earth.” (Genesis 1:1)
Whereas
the Quranic verse 21:30 clearly states that heavens and the earth were joined
together and Allah separated them; this harmonizes with science. How can this
be a rehashing of Genesis 1? The truth is distinct and if Ali Sina still cannot
perceives it then he must have a serious problem with his intelligence.
Ali
Sina said, “The Quran is full of legends borrowed from the Bible and
fables of Pagan Arabs”. He put forth no evidence but just only myths of
ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Canaanites, etc. I want him to show me evidence
of such myths in Quran. I do not know why he wrote such myths in his arguments
and how did he link them with Quran. This is just only his daydreaming and
distraction.
Of
course both the “stories” are precise. Ali Sina appears like a lunatic in the
statement he made about two stories. There are several modes according to my insight
to probe these two verses.
Condensing:
Let’s read verse Quranic 41:11:
“He directed Himself to the heaven when it
was smoke (or gas), so He said unto it and unto the earth: Come ye together (or
both), willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come in willing
obedience."
It is not therefore difficult to distinguish that if it was Gas then
coming together means condensing. This harmonizes with Astronomical Theory. It
is wonder that the critic does not take the words literally and object to the
heaven and earth replying in Arabic. Willingness in the above implies that they
obeyed their own nature rather than having external coercive force acting on
them.
Obedience:
Readers! You can also predict that prior to Big Bang when heaven was
a smoke; earth still subsisted in the divine knowledge of Allah. Hence, in this
verse Allah is only inquiring their submission mutually to His command, and
they both replied certainly. This is an alternative way of understanding.
(Allah indeed knows the best).
Ali Sina is such hoodwink. I want him to show me where this verse reveals
that heaven and the earth were apart and Allah commanded them to come toward
each other to be “together” or to be “joined” (as mentioned by him in his post).
“Together” also means “In somebody’s company”.
Come
in to being:
Translation by M. Asad literally states the creation of the
Universe:
“And
He [it is who] applied His design to the skies, which were [yet but] smoke; and
He [it is who] said to them and to the earth, Come [into being], both of you,
willingly or unwillingly! – to which both responded, We do come in obedience.”
Explaining this passage, Zamakhshari observes: "The meaning of God’s command to
the skies and the earth to ‘come’, and their submission [to His command] is
this: He willed their coming into being, and so they came to be as He willed
them to be and this is the kind of metaphor (majaz) which is called ‘allegory’
(tamthil). Thus, the purport [of this passage] is but an illustration (taswir)
of the effect of His almighty power on all that is willed [by Him], and nothing
else." (It is obvious that Zamakhshari’s reasoning is based on the
oft-repeated Quranic statement, "When God wills a thing to be, He but says
unto it, ‘Be’ - and it is.") Concluding his interpretation of the above
passage, Zamakhshari adds: "If I am asked about the meaning of [the words]
‘willingly or unwillingly’, I say that it is a figurative expression (mathal)
indicating that His almighty will must inevitably take effect."
Now we analyze Quranic verse 21:30:
"Do not the unbelievers see that the
heavens and the earth were joined together, then we clove them asunder . .
."
Therefore the heaven and the earth were
fused mutually (as mentioned by Ali Sina) and afterward Allah detached them.
This is what unerringly Big Bang theory states in a nutshell.
Readers! This time I will present different
acuity of these two verses. As you are aware that Big Bang is an established
scientific fact as posed by Ali Sina in his article as well, and Quranic verse
21:30 clearly cites the course in a nutshell. Right now the question arises
that what was prior to the Big Bang? What was before when heaven was a smoke? These
questions were asked from several renowned scientists and they provided the
following answers:
-
Nobel Prize winning Physicist Leon Lederman said; “Well, the first thing is there's no
'before.' Because time itself, as far as we understand time, was generated—and
space—at the Big Bang.” (Taken from http://www.sciencenetlinks.com/sci_update.cfm?DocID=7)
-
Dr.
Michael Turner, a cosmologist at
-
Karen
Masters, PhD from Cornell and now a Postdoctoral Fellow at the
-
Craig
Hogan at the
Here, I have quoted authorities who are stumbling in finding what
was there actually before Big Bang. They have no clues and no routes from where
to initiate in order to decipher this mystery until this time. If we situate Quranic
verse 41:11 ahead of Quranic verse 21:30 in the course of creation process,
then there is no way Ali Sina can prove that Quranic verse 41:11 is contrary to
established scientific fact, since, there is not a record regarding what was
there earlier than Big Bang and when heaven was smolder. May be there were
planets before big bang, then they were joined together and afterward Allah
separated them. Who knows? However, Allah indeed knows the best.
Therefore, lay the sketch of creation of universe this way "heaven
was a smoke (Quranic verse 41:11), and earth was existed in Allah's divine
knowledge, and He inquired both of them for their compliances (in taking form),
which they acknowledged, and afterward He separated them (Quranic verse 21:30 -
Big Bang)."
Let’s beat Ali Sina more with his own stick. If he discards M.
Asad’s translation of Quranic verse 41:11 and acquires the words literally, then
he has to tell me where does in the verse stated that Allah has actually
declared the creation of Universe (when it referred to) concerning heaven and
earth to come together? He is creating his own suppositions that Allah has referred
to the creation of the Universe in this verse. Again he is deceiving himself
and other people. According to my understanding Allah is only speaking about
state of the Universe as a gas in the first part of the verse. (Allah knows the
best). And the second part pursued by Quranic verse 21:30 both are explain by
Dr. Maurice Bucaille in his book; “The basic process in the formation of the
universe . . . lay in the condensing of material in the primary nebula followed
by its division into fragments that originally constituted galactic masses. The
latter in their turn split up into stars that provided the sub-product of the
process, i.e. the planets" (p.149). Thus, Ali Sina has to direct me now, should
I trust French Scientist Dr. Maurice Bucaille of great repute or a nut-head
like him?
I am giving him an opportunity to controvert
me. Show me any established scientific fact that can put in plain words what
was there prior to Big Bang? If he couldn’t come across anything then he has to
accept Quranic verse 41:11 as it is, because if he cannot ascertain anything logically
then he does not have any authority to negate it.
Does the Quran say the Sun and the Moon
Revolve Around Their Own Axis?
Ali Sina:
(Dr.
Naik) When I was in school…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp3.htm)
…read any of his
filthy books”.
Answer:
The Quranic verse in question:
“And
He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They
float, each in an orbit.” (Quran 21:33)
Readers! The Arabic word referring to a movement with a
self-propelled motion is the verb sabaha (يسبحون "yasbahun"
in the text of the verse). All the senses of the verb imply a movement that
is associated with a motion that comes from the "BODY IN QUESTION".
If the movement takes place in water, it is ‘to swim’; it is ‘move by the
action of one’s own legs if it takes place on land'. For a movement that occurs
in space, it is intricate to see how else this meaning implied in the word
could be rendered other than by employing its original sense. Thus there seems
to have been no mistranslation, for the following reasons:
-
The
moon completes its rotating motion on its own axis at the same time as it
revolves around the Earth, i.e. 29.5 days (approx).
-
The
Sun takes roughly 25 days to revolve on its own axis.
Let’s scrutinize the translations Ali Sina quoted from different
authors: Every translation mentions that they are either floating, swimming,
traveling, gliding, or moving in their OWN orbit, rounded course, celestial
spheres, sky, axis or orb. An object can move in two different ways, one; when it
is advancing forward on a defined axis and actually revolving in a circular
fashion, second; when it rotates on a single point or axis with its own motion.
The latter is what the word ‘yasbahun’ and translation stand.
Here is another proof; the Arabic word utilized in this verse is فلك, which connotes "just rounded" and not "circular
course", attesting that Quran is not conversing about circular motion
around a body, however, speaking about rounded motion of a body on its own
axis.
Ali Sina said, “The word here implies that the Sun and the
Moon rotate in circle; i.e. around the Earth and not around their own axis”.
This time I will draw a different approach and ascertain my point yet again.
For the sake of argument, I will assent that this precise Quranic verse (purportedly)
represents that the Sun and the moon rotate in circular course; however, where
does it states that they rotate around the earth (as brought up by Ali Sina)? He
is planting his own words in Quran. Next time, Ali Sina should concretely
establish his supposition by producing evidence devoid of any obscure and
erroneous implies of his lewd intellect.
Surely he cannot accomplish that, and surely this verse doesn't
state that Sun and the moon rotate around earth in circular motion. Likewise, no
where this verse states the Arabic word for Earth i.e. ارض,
yet again confirming that he is hypocrite.
Sill we Muslims and forever can bear out to facilitate this verse is
scientific. However, he cannot prove it to be against established Science ever,
as they (non-Muslims) do not posses any supportive facts and wiles in
opposition to Quranic verse 21:33.
Therefore, Alhumdullillah, the Quranic verse 21:33 fittingly point
out the movement of the Sun and the moon on their own axis on the word of the
established scientific fact.
Now, it was not Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), on the
contrary, it is Ali Sina who distorts the terms and manipulates them so that they
can fit in his minuscule wits. If he cannot comprehend the Quran then it does not
portend that Quran is in error, it is due to his deficiency of erudition and
understanding of the scriptures. He has on no account given Quran recognition and
gratitude as it should be given, however it was given by populace, and they are
still giving.
Ali Sina demanded, why the Quranic language is not so clear and why
all the miracles attributed to Muhammad (peace be upon him) are not clear? This
is another topic and it is not allied to what we are conferring over here. I will
riposte under some other topic.
Readers! Do not imply that I cannot counter; however, it seems he
has an infirmity of going off trail of what is being discussed in the subject.
If you consider the other face of it, it is a very fine tactic of bewildering and
deceiving readers. It is like burdening and bombarding the readers on and on with
irrelevant facts and terminologies, making eventually the original subject
matter goes astray and readers start thinking about new stuff and totally
forget about what was being discussed at initial. My counsel to Ali Sina is to stay
on the topic and not to fool around. I will deal with his allegations some
other time insha Allah.
Does the Quran say the Universe is Expanding?
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) It was Edvin Hubbel who discovered…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp4.htm)
…To us it looks
very small.
Answer:
Translation of Quranic verse
51:47 by M. Asad:
“AND
IT IS We who have built the universe with our [Our creative] power; and,
verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.” (Quran 51:47)
This translation is adequate to shut Ali Sina’s befoul mouth once
and for all. However, if he requires some more information a propos to this
verse then he should stop at this site for an in depth response of his inane
inquiry. His discretion is required here as he is been offended and embarrassed
as the ignorant of the Arabic language in the following article.
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/does-musiun-means-expanding/
Excerpts from above link which is written by Mohd Elfie Nieshaem
Juferi:
“It
has come to our attention that Avijit Roy, webmaster of the Mukto Mona website,
wrote an article titled “Does the Quran Have any Scientific Miracles?” One
portion of the article on the subject to Sura’ Az-Zaariyaat is worth commenting
on, as it is an exhibition of some of the common problems with non-Muslims
critiques of Muslim arguments over the Internet. These would include an
unjustified confidence with the relevant subject matter, a poor understanding
of the arguments involved and a possible tendency to bluff with the hopes that
no one else notices.
What is at issue here is the fact that the word
musi’un
in Sura’ az-Zaariyaat 51:47 can be translated as
“expanding”, thus some Muslims have argued that this is a Quranic reference to
the expanding of the universe. Whatever the soundness of that position, Mr.
Roy’s attempt to refute it included some statements that were so ridiculous
that one could not simply let them pass.
Deceit or Sincere
Ignorance?
One of the first statements that raised a red flag was
one that attempted to lean on the arguments of Denis Giron. Mr. Roy writes:
Denish [sic] Giron also explained in one
of his wonderfully written pieces that the verb from which the Arabic word
(m?8217;un) is derived cannot mean ?expand?
Then Mr. Roy cites Giron’s article entitled Expansion of the Universe in the Bible and the Qur’an:
Comparing Isaiah to Soorat az-Zaariyaat.
The first problem is that Giron’s article blatantly
contradicts Mr. Roy’s claim. In fact, Giron’s article explicitly states that
“the verb from which this word is derived can mean expand.”
One has to wonder: did Mr. Roy even bother to read
Giron’s article? The simple fact is that Mr. Roy’s argument says that the word
cannot be translated as “expanding”, yet he calls to witness an article that
gives a rather clear argument for why it can
be translated as “expanding”!
After that, Mr. Roy calls to witness an
article by Ali Sina. In this case, Mr. Roy actually manages to cite
a person who agrees with him, but Sina’s argument is simply ridiculous, to put
it mildly.
The word used here is moosiAAoona which
drives from word vaseun. It means vast. It has nothing to do
with expanding. When you say al rezwano vaseun (the garden is vast). It does not mean
that the garden is expanding.
While this may seem like a case of belaboring a minor
point, it might be worth noting that most people who employ a double-A (”AA”)
in their transliterations of Qur’anic words or phrases over the net are
probably novices who merely lifted the relevant transliteration off one of the
websites which provide this odd symbol as designation of the presence of the
Arabic letter ayn. Regardless, Sina’s attempt to prove that m?8217;un
cannot be translated as “expanding” betrays a rather pathetic ignorance on his
part regarding the Arabic language, and thus Mr. Roy’s decision to call him to
witness is a true example of “the blind leading the blind”. Most ironic of all,
the article by Denis Giron itself refutes Ali Sina’s ridiculous claim."
Water Cycle in the Quran?
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) In the field of ‘Water
cycle’…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp4.htm)
…Only in these few
verses we found at least six.
Answer:
Ali Sina alleged "I don’t know which commentator said
such a thing but if anyone has, he is mistaken". I will provide him
a translation of Quranic verse by Pickthall. He had cross-checked every
translation of Quran in posting his last statement where he addressed about ‘expanding universe’, but it looks as
if he had deliberately filch Pickthall’s translation of Quranic verse 86:11 in his
argument, since it bequeaths the word ‘rain’ itself. The reason is in this way he
would be proven dishonest and the readers will take it for granted what ever he
is saying. Here’s the translation:
“By
the heaven which giveth the returning rain.” (Quranic verse 86:11)
Ali Sina referred to the translation by Yusuf Ali where he wrote
“which returns (in its round)” and the populace like Ali Sina would in fact impose
that why Yusuf Ali did not translate “to return back rain”, identical to Picktall.
Readers! In response to that, you will find here the commentary of
Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi. He says in his tafsir (Tafheem ul Quran):
“The
words dhat ar-raj`e have been used for the sky. Literally رجع raj`e means to return, but
metaphorically this word is used for the rain in Arabic, for rain does not fall
just once, but returns over and over again in the season and of season as well.
Another reason for calling the rain raj `e is that vapour from the
oceans of the earth and then falls back as rain on the sometimes out water
rises as the same earth.” (Taken from:
http://www.translatedquran.com/meaning.asp?pagetitle=AT+-+TARIQ&sno=86&tno=1744)
This word can
also be interpreted as “cyclical”; in Quran’s translations also has meaning of
“sending back” or “returning”. As it is acknowledged at present that the Earth
is encircled by atmosphere that consists of several layers. Each layer acts an
important valuable purpose for life. Research has revealed that these layers
have the function of turning the materials or rays; they are exposed to, back
into space or back down to Earth. Now let us scan with a few examples of this
“recycling” function of the layers encircling the Earth. The troposphere, 13 to
15 kilometers above the Earth, enables water vapor rising from the surface of
the Earth to be condensed and turn back as rain.
The ozone
layer, at an altitude of 25 kilometers, reflects harmful radiation and
ultraviolet light coming from space and turns both back into space.
The
ionosphere, reflects radio waves broadcast from the Earth back
down to different parts of the world, just like a passive communications
satellite, and thus makes wireless communication, radio, and television
broadcasting possible over long distances.
The
magnetosphere layer turns the harmful radioactive particles emitted by
the Sun and other stars back into space before they reach the Earth.
The fact that
this property of the atmosphere's layers, that was only established in the
recent past was pronounced centuries ago in the Qur'an, once again demonstrates
that the Qur'an is the word of God.
Now I will give the
translation of Quranic verse 86:11 by Shakir;
“I
swear by the raingiving heavens,” (Quran 86:11)
Again, Shakir has mentioned the “the returning” entity as rain and
not the sun, moon, star or anything else. If Ali Sina cannot even grasp the
translation of Quran then how can he comprehend the Quran itself? He implied in
this particular verse that firmament is the object which is returning in its
rounded like stars, moon, sun etc, however this is not the case, since it’s actually
the firmament which is returning “RAIN and other beneficial materials”. I hope
this explanation fits in his teeny-weeny brain. And it is he who is entwining
the meaning in order to satisfy his craving. So, my counsel to him is to deem
million times before he howls anything against Quran.
Ali Sina said, “The word used is ‘sama’. It means
sky/heaven and it can also be interpreted as firmament but it can’t be translated
as rain.” Readers! “PROFESSOR OF ARABIC” Ali Sina misinterpreted the
whole verse. As I said above that the Arabic word used for “rain” is “raj’e”
and NOT “sama”. He rightly said that “sama” is used for
firmament.
Now regarding all the verses (which are not in the question right
now in this discussion) that he has cited in his post and he said that the
entire chapter (Surah) is gibberish; insinuating again his sickness of going
out of track and confounding readers. Actually it’s his gutter mind filled with
filth that is making him suffer and he is not able to comprehend the truth.
Each and every verse is explicable; however, it is not the instance and venue
to refute his allegations because they are out of the subject. I will deal with
them later insha Allah.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Dr.
William Campbell who knows Arabic…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp4.htm)
…Don't make this
too easy for me.
Answer:
Readers! I have already provided evidence above
by the grace of Allah that Quranic verse 86:11 also points out evaporation. This
verse is translated by four translators differently (difference is in choice of
words). For example;
Yusuf Ali translates:
“By the Firmament which returns (in its round),”
Pickthal translates:
“By the heaven which giveth the returning rain,”
Shakir translates:
“I swear by the raingiving heavens,”
M. Asad translates:
“Consider the heavens, ever-revolving,”
As you can see, the translations of Yusuf Ali
and M. Asad are some what similar and can surround other beneficial matter and
energy in their connotations. Likewise, translations of Pickthall and Shakir
are some what similar and they are specifically enunciating about "returning
rain".
Therefore, Alhumdullillah this precise Quranic
verse is swathing all the aspects what had said by Dr. Zakir Naik.
There are some other verses also in Holy
Quran that explain the occurrence of evaporation in a nutshell. They are as
follows:
“And We send down from the sky water in measure, and We give
it lodging in the earth, and lo! We are able to withdraw it” (Quran
23:18)
Readers! You educate me now, to where Allah
is withdrawing water in the above verse? It surely depicts the idea of
evaporation. If it is something else then Ali Sina has to produce evidence.
“It is Allah Who sends the Winds, and they raise the
Clouds: then does He spread them in the sky as He wills, and break them into
fragments, until thou seest rain-drops issue from the midst thereof: then when
He has made them reach such of his servants as He wills behold, they do
rejoice!-“ (Quran 30:48”
In this verse it is quite clear that Allah propels
airstreams that enclose water vapors (evaporation) and THEY mold clouds. If Ali
Sina needs further information he can visit the following link that will
augment his inadequate intelligence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_vapor
“It is He Who sendeth the winds like heralds of glad
tidings, going before His mercy: when they have carried the heavy-laden
clouds, We drive them to a land that is dead, make rain to descend thereon, and
produce every kind of harvest therewith: thus shall We raise up the dead:
perchance ye may remember.” (Quran 7:57)
In this verse, what heralds of glad tidings
are carried by the winds? And then they are advancing aloft to haul the heavy
clouds and Allah coerces them to a land that is barren and formulates the rain
to pour on it. Readers! Can you see the interlinking of all these avowals of
the verse to the fact that the glad tiding can also be the water vapors
(evaporation) which are lugged by the winds, then construct the clouds, which
pours it down in the manner of rain yet again, which is vital for farming.
“And
We send the winds fertilizing, and cause water to descend from the sky,
and give it you to drink. It is not ye who are the holders of the store
thereof.” (Quran 15:22)
Readers! Please elaborate what this word
“fertilizing” means over here? And why repetitively there is mention of wind
and rain or water in these verses? For the people who have common sense, for
sure, clutch that there is something in the winds which is instigating water to
pour down from the sky, yet again proving evaporation. For the people like Ali
Sina, lacking common sense at all, please do not press your brains as their boundaries
are already defined by Allah in this verse.
"And so, the parable of those who re bent on denying
the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it
nothing but the sound of a voice and a call. Deaf are they, and dumb, and
blind: for they do not use their reason." (Quran 2:171)
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik)
Regarding what he said about the Bible…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp4.htm)
…The Quran is a book of asininity and not of miracles.
Answer:
Ali Sina jot down “Let us quote these
verses and see if there is anything miraculous about them” Readers! Dr.
Zakir Naik already riposted his question in his speech when he conferred the
reference of philosophy of Phasofmillitas in 7th century B.C where
“he thought that the spray of the ocean was picked up by the wind, and send to
the interior as rain.” The same concept was counterfeited by the Bible. And it
was categorically a miracle when Quran revealed the correct water cycle 1400
years ago. Doesn’t he perceive that? This is also one of the substantiations
that Quran was not plagiarized from the Bible.
Well I am jovial to hear that Ali Sina liked
the “performance” of Dr. Zakir Naik. And I am aware that he was taunting on him
out of envy that Doctor outperformed Dr. William Campbell in every aspect of the
topic. Be sure that it was an aid from Allah that assisted Dr. Zakir Naik in
delivering the truth.
Again he bared his illness by going out of
track, regarding Muhammad (Peace be upon him) forgetting that the Quran is
supposed to be the word of Allah and Allah should not refer to himself in third
person. I will not comment here in this discussion and will leave it for a reply
later on since it is out of area under discussion.
Readers! Now I will discuss all the verses
that were mentioned by Dr. Zakir Naik in his speech regarding water cycle and
then stated by Ali Sina with his grimy description in his publication, in
details. I will reply to the depictions of those verses only where he has put
forth his mucky comments.
“Art thou not aware that it is God who
causes the clouds to move onward, then joins them together, then piles them up
in masses, until thou can see rain come forth from their midst? And He it is
who sends down from the skies, by degrees, mountainous masses [of clouds]
charged with hail, striking therewith whomever He wills and averting it from
whomever He wills, [the while] the flash of His lightning well-nigh deprives
[men of their] sight! (Quran 24:43)
Ali Sina asked what is so miraculous about
it. I will put in the picture what so astounding about this verse. Most of us
are familiar with the water cycle from our classes in middle school, where we had
been educated on how a drop of sea water evaporates, then becomes a drop of
rain water, and then finally returns to the sea via rivers or underground
channels. The first person in modern times to identify this process was Bernard
Palissy who portrayed it fittingly in 1580. Prior to him, the majority of the primordial
Greeks and Roman scholars had diverse imperfect or erroneous speculations on
the water cycle (Plato, for example, held that precipitation eventually
descended in to the abyss called Tartarus and from there it fed in to the
oceans.
In Quran there are few precise references to
specific stages. Perhaps the most fascinating of these references is the verse
mentioned above.
Scientists have studied cloud types and have
realized that rain clouds are fashioned and shaped according to definite
systems and certain steps connected with certain types of wind and clouds.
One kind of rain cloud is the cumulonimbus
cloud. Meteorologists have studied how cumulonimbus clouds are formed and how
they produce rain, hail, and lightning.
They have found that cumulonimbus clouds go
through the following steps to produce rain:
“…it is God who causes the clouds to move onward,” (Quran
24:43)
Cumulonimbus clouds begin to form when wind
moves some small pieces of clouds (cumulus clouds) to an area where these
clouds converge. (See figure 1 & 2 below)
Figure 1: Satellite photo showing the clouds moving towards the
convergence areas B, C, and D. the arrows indicate the directions of the wind.
(The Use of Satellite Pictures in Weather Analysis and Forecasting,
Figure 2: Small pieces of clouds (cumulus clouds) moving towards
a convergence zone near the horizon, where we can see a large cumulonimbus
cloud. (Clouds and Storms, Ludlam. Plate 7.4.)
“…then joins them together,” (Quran 24:43)
"Then the small clouds join
together forming a larger cloud". (The Atmosphere, Anthes and others. Page
268-269, and Elements of Meteorology, Miller and Thompson. Page 141.) (See
figure 2 & 3)
Figure 3: (A) Isolated small pieces of clouds (cumulus
clouds). (B) When the small clouds join together, updrafts within
the larger cloud increase, so the cloud is stacked up. Water drops are
indicated by ·. (The Atmosphere, Anthes and others, p.
269.)
“…then piles them up in masses, until thou can see rain come
forth from their midst?” (Quran 24:43)
When the small clouds join together,
updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts near the center
of the cloud are sturdier than those near the edges. These updrafts cause the
cloud body to grow vertically, so the cloud is stacked up (see figures 3 (B), 4,
and 5). This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler
regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to
grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too
heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as
rain, hail, etc.
Figure 4: A cumulonimbus cloud. After the cloud is stacked up,
rain comes out of it. (Weather and Climate, Bodin. Page 123.)
Figure 5: A cumulonimbus cloud. (A Colour Guide to Clouds,
Scorer and Wexler. Page 23.)
"Meteorologists have only recently
come to know these details of cloud formation, structure, and function by using
advanced equipment like planes, satellites, computers, balloons, and other
equipment, to study wind and its direction, to measure humidity and its
variations, and to determine the levels and variations of atmospheric pressure."
(Taken from: Ee’jaz al-Quran al-Kareem fee Wasf Anwa’ al-Riyah,
al-Sohob, al-Matar, Makky and others, p. 55.)
The preceding verse, after mentioning clouds
and rain, speaks about hail and lightning:
“…And He it is who sends down from the skies, by degrees,
mountainous masses [of clouds] charged with hail, striking therewith whomever
He wills and averting it from whomever He wills, [the while] the flash of His
lightning well-nigh deprives [men of their] sight!” (Quran 24:43)
"Meteorologists have found that
these cumulonimbus clouds, that shower hail, reach a height of 25,000 to 30,000
ft (4.7 to 5.7 miles)", (Taken from: Elements of Meteorology,
Miller and Thompson, p. 141.) like mountains, as the Quran said, “...And He sends down hail from mountains
(clouds) in the sky...”
(See figure 5 above).
This verse may raise a question. Why
does the verse say “its lightning” in a reference to the hail?
Does this mean that hail is the major cause in fabricating lightning? Let
us see what the book entitled Meteorology Today says about this.
It says that "a cloud
becomes electrified as hail falls through a region in the cloud of super cooled
droplets and ice crystals. As liquid droplets collide with a hailstone, they
freeze on contact and release latent heat. This keeps the surface of the
hailstone warmer than that of the surrounding ice crystals. When the hailstone
comes in contact with an ice crystal, an important phenomenon occurs: electrons
flow from the colder object toward the warmer object. Hence, the hailstone
becomes negatively charged. The same effect occurs when super cooled
droplets come in contact with a hailstone and tiny splinters of positively
charged ice break off. These lighter positively charged particles are
then carried to the upper part of the cloud by updrafts. The hail, left
with a negative charge, falls towards the bottom of the cloud, thus the lower
part of the cloud becomes negatively charged. These negative charges are
then discharged as lightning". (Take from: Meteorology Today,
Ahrens, Page. 437.). We
conclude from this that hail is the major factor in producing lightning.
This information on lightning was discovered
recently. Until 1600 AD, Aristotle’s ideas on meteorology were
dominant. For example, he said "that the atmosphere contains two kinds of exhalation,
moist and dry. He also said that thunder is the sound of the collision of
the dry exhalation with the neighboring clouds, and lightning is the inflaming
and burning of the dry exhalation with a thin and faint fire." (Taken
from: The Works of Aristotle Translated into English: Meteorologica,
vol. 3. Ross and others. Page. 369a-369b.). These are some of the ideas on meteorology that were dominant
at the time of the Quran’s revelation, fourteen centuries ago.
Now I have provided evidence that Quranic
verse 24:43 is miraculous in terms of unfolding the mystery of cloud formation,
rain, hail and lightning when it was not acknowledged at the time of Prophet Muhammad
(Peace be upon him). I will remain uttering that Quran is a word of Allah and
not the words of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) or any other historians
like you find in the Bible. (Readers! above description is taken from http://www.islam-guide.com/)
“It is Allah Who sends the Winds, and they raise the Clouds:
then does He spread them in the sky as He wills, and break them into fragments,
until thou seest rain-drops issue from the midst thereof: then when He has made
them reach such of his servants as He wills behold, they do rejoice!-“ (Quran
30:48)
Ali Sina again corroborated himself as
bamboozle when he said “as for rejoicing for rain, this is clearly from
the point of view of those who don’t see much rain. There are places on
this earth that rain most of the year and people rejoice when there is day
sunshine. This shows these verses are written by one whose knowledge was
limited to Arab world.”
There are numerous ways that I can refute his
declaration mentioned above:
First:
I will quote some of the Quranic verses
where Allah has mentioned rain storm as the punishment for the people or land:
“Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness,
thunder and the flash of lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears by
reason of the thunder-claps, for fear of death. Allah encompasseth the
disbelievers (in His guidance)” (Quran 2:19)
“…for his parable is that of a smooth rock
with [a little] earth upon it - and then a rainstorm smites it and leaves it
hard and bare…” (Quran 2:264)
“The while We rained a rain [of destruction] upon the
others: and behold what happened in the end to those people lost in sin” (Quran
7:84)
“And rained down upon them a rain [of destruction]: and dire
is such rain upon all who let themselves be warned [to no avail]! (Quran 26:173
& 27:58)
“And they [who now deny Our messages] must surely have come
across that town which was rained upon by a rain of evil: have they, then,
never beheld it [with their minds eye]? But nay, they would not believe in
resurrection!” (Quran 25:40)
“And so, when they beheld it in the shape of a dense cloud
approaching their valleys, they exclaimed, “This is but a heavy cloud which
will bring us [welcome] rain!” [But Hud said:] “Nay, but it is the very thing
which you [so contemptuously] sought to hasten - a wind bearing grievous
suffering,” (Quran 46:24)
Therefore, Quran does have verses which illustrate
that rain can be in the mode of catastrophe and definitely after when it ceases,
people surely rejoice. The Quranic verse 30:48 which Ali Sina has brought up
and also referred by Dr. Zakir Naik in his speech is speaking about when rain
is a blessing and rejoices people and surely not explicitly stating about
disaster or raining a great deal. Therefore, Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon
him) knew (as alleged by Ali Sina that Quran was written by him) that there are
places where it rains a lot and people do exult when they experience sunlight.
Second:
The other way to disprove Ali Sina’s
contention against Quranic verse 30:48 is: I want to pose him a counter question
as where does this verse cites if it is speaking about “all humanity” or “all
the people” or “the whole world” rejoices when they observe sunlight after
raining? If he ever used his common sense (which I also surely doubt that he has
ever exercised it), this verse can be talking about only those people who vision
rain as a blessing and not of those who cheer sunlight after rain since Quran
refers to rainstorms also. Hence, my advice to him is to look in an extensive
vision rather then being a tapered minded harebrained.
Third:
Ali Sina stated “There are places on
this earth that rains most of the year and people rejoice when there is a day
sunshine. This shows these verses are written by one whose knowledge was
limited to Arab world.” Readers! This is also a false claim against
Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). There are places in
Readers! If you are living in
I can give Ali Sina more arguments against his
allegations regarding Quranic verse 30:48; however, I think it is enough to
shut his foul mouth.
“Seest thou not that Allah sends down rain from the sky, and
leads it through springs in the earth? Then He causes to grow, therewith,
produce of various colours: then it withers; thou wilt see it grow yellow; then
He makes it dry up and crumble away. Truly, in this, is a Message of
remembrance to men of understanding.” (Quran 39:21)
Yes, a person undeniably needs to be a
scientist or a prophet to know that rain falls from the sky and that the spring
waters are from rain. Such philosophies seem quite usual to us today, but we
should not overlook the fact that they were not ubiquitous long ago. It was not
until the sixteenth century, with Bernard Palissy, that we acquired the first lucid
description of the water cycle. Earlier to this, populace talked about the
theory whereby the water of the oceans, under the upshot of winds, was shoved towards
the interior of the continents. They then revisited to the oceans via the great
chasm, which, since Plato's time, has been called the Tartarus. In the
seventeenth century, a great intellectual such as Descartes assumed in it, and
even in the nineteenth century there was still gossip of Aristotle's theory,
according to which water was condensed in cool mountains grottos and shaped
underground lakes that noshed springs. Today, we know that it is the
infiltration of rainwater that is accountable for this. If one put side by side
the facts of modern hydrology with the data to be found in copious verses of
the Quran on this theme, one cannot fall short to notice the incredible degree
of concord amid the two.
Here’s the testimony which will again shut Ali Sina’s foul mouth:
Excerpt from this document:
http://www.search.com/reference/Bernard_Palissy
“Palissy is highly regarded for his contributions to the
advance of soil science, geology,
geohydrology,
geomorphology
and biology.
The concept of the water cycle in his time assumed that sea water was
conveyed from coastal to mountainous areas through subterranean passages by the
action of wind, desalinatized by condensation in cool caves, forming
underground lakes which fed mountain springs. Palissy correctly attributed
spring water to rainfall percolating into the earth and emerging after slow
travel through permeable layers overlying impermeable layers. Palissy expanded
the concept of erosion and sedimentation as a contribution to landform
formation and soil types, based on differences in rock resistance to weathering
by ice and water. Palissy postulated how fossils were formed by the action of
soluble minerals, and observed that some fossils were from plant and animal
life forms no longer present, introducing the concept of biological species
extinction.”
“And
We send down water from the sky according to (due) measure, and We cause it to
soak in the soil; and We certainly are able to drain it off (with ease).”
(Quran 23:18)
Readers! If you go through the tafsir of Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, he
cited:
“The "rain" may refer to the rainfall, which comes
down every now and then. It may also refer to the great store of water which
Allah sent down at the time of the creation of the earth to fulfill its various
needs till the Last Day, and which still exists in the shape of seas, lakes,
sub-soil water, etc. It is the same water which evaporates in summer and
freezes in winter and is carried by winds from place to place and spread over
the earth by rivers, springs and wells to cause the growth of multitudes of
things, and then is again restored to the seas, lakes, etc. Neither has this
store of water been decreased by a drop nor was there any need to increase it
by a drop since its creation. Today it is too well known how water comes about
by the combination of oxygen and hydrogen in a certain ratio. The question is
why can't more water be produced when oxygen and hydrogen still exist in
abundance in the world? Who caused them to combine in the proper ratio in the
beginning to produce oceans of water and who now stops them from coming
together to produce an extra drop? Then when water evaporates, who causes
oxygen and hydrogen to remain combined .n water vapors even in the gaseous
state. Have the atheists and polytheists, who believe in independent deities
for water, air, summer and ! winter, any answer to this question?” (Taken from: http://www.translatedquran.com/meaning.asp?pagetitle=AL+-+MUMINOON&sno=23&tno=1326)
Readers! I have already brought up the same
Quranic verse above in the section of evaporation, now; I will prove the
phenomenon of evaporation again using Ali Sina’s own commentary. He said “places
are parched with draught” and I am linking his own comment with the same
verse where it says “able
to drain it off”, and I
am not in a bit of doubt that he thought “able to drain it off” means evaporation when he uttered “places are parched
with draught”. What made the places parched with draught? Answer is
EVAPORATION. So he also testified the phenomenon of evaporation in his own
words. Alhudullillah.
“And
among His Signs, He shows you the lightning, by way both of fear and of hope,
and He sends down rain from the sky and with it gives life to the earth after
it is dead: verily in that are Signs for those who are wise.” (Quran 30:24)
This is idiocy again, why Ali Sina is looking for an explanation of
causes of lightning in this verse? Why is he not referring to other verses
which are elucidating the causes of lightning explicitly? I do not figure out.
Or he did not find any verse in the Quran speaking on this subject. Alright let
me put him on view:
“…And He it is who sends down from the skies, by degrees,
mountainous masses [of clouds] charged with hail, striking therewith whomever
He wills and averting it from whomever He wills, [the while] the flash of His
lightning well-nigh deprives [men of their] sight!” (Quran 24:43)
"Meteorologists have found that
these cumulonimbus clouds, that shower hail, reach a height of 25,000 to 30,000
ft (4.7 to 5.7 miles)," (Taken
from: Elements of Meteorology, Miller and Thompson, p. 141.) like mountains, as the Quran said, “...And He sends down hail from mountains
(clouds) in the sky...”
(See figure 5 above).
This verse may raise a question. Why
does the verse say “its lightning” in a reference to the hail?
Does this mean that hail is the major factor in producing lightning? Let
us see what the book entitled Meteorology Today says about this.
It says that "a cloud
becomes electrified as hail falls through a region in the cloud of super cooled
droplets and ice crystals. As liquid droplets collide with a hailstone, they
freeze on contact and release latent heat. This keeps the surface of the
hailstone warmer than that of the surrounding ice crystals. When the hailstone
comes in contact with an ice crystal, an important phenomenon occurs: electrons
flow from the colder object toward the warmer object. Hence, the hailstone
becomes negatively charged. The same effect occurs when super cooled droplets
come in contact with a hailstone and tiny splinters of positively charged ice
break off. These lighter positively charged particles are then carried to
the upper part of the cloud by updrafts. The hail, left with a negative
charge, falls towards the bottom of the cloud, thus the lower part of the cloud
becomes negatively charged. These negative charges are then discharged as
lightning." (Take from: Meteorology Today, Ahrens, Page. 437.). We conclude from this that hail is the
major factor in producing lightning.
This information on lightning was discovered
recently. Until 1600 AD, Aristotle’s ideas on meteorology were
dominant. For example, he said "that the atmosphere contains two kinds of exhalation,
moist and dry. He also said that thunder is the sound of the collision of
the dry exhalation with the neighboring clouds, and lightning is the inflaming
and burning of the dry exhalation with a thin and faint fire." (Taken
from: The Works of Aristotle Translated into English: Meteorologica,
vol. 3. Ross and others. Page. 369a-369b.). these are some of the ideas on meteorology that were dominant
at the time of the Quran’s revelation, fourteen centuries ago. (Information
taken from: www.islam-guide.com)
Readers! Ali Sina again alleged Prophet
Muhammad (Peace be upon him) where he said “lightening is to frighten
people and to give them hope”, I concur with that adversary quickly.
Yes, lightning can frighten people where it would be raining so heavily which may
sluice away everything, however, on the other hand it would be a good hope as
it would benefit the crops. Therefore, we should bow down in front of Allah and
ask for good benefits. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was rightly
addressing to the people.
Then he alleged, “Rain is a natural
phenomenon. It is not a sign from anyone.” I again concur with this
adversary quickly, with the foremost part only; yes, rain is a natural
phenomenon but toting up to that, we Muslims also deem that Allah is the driving
might behind this natural phenomenon.
Then he said, “It just happens on its
own thanks to the effect of Sun on earth.” I believed that he is an
atheist and do not believe in any God or deity, so why is he thanking the effect
of Sun? I know he did not mean that but that is what it implied.
Readers! Now I will discuss regarding rainbow
that is mentioned in the Bible and related with God. Let us see what the verses
of Genesis 9:13-17 says:
“I set my rainbow in the cloud, and it will be for a sign of
a covenant between me and the earth.”
“It will happen, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that
the rainbow will be seen in the cloud,”
“and I will remember my covenant, which is between me and
you and every living creature of all flesh, and the waters will no more become
a flood to destroy all flesh.”
“The rainbow will be in the cloud. I will look at it, that I
may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of
all flesh that is on the earth”
“God said to Noah, "This is the token of the covenant
which I have established between me and all flesh that is on the earth.”
Readers! If you glance at the description of
all these verses you will come to know that Gospel preachers and Bible thumpers
say that "the rainbow
that Ezekiel and John saw around the Throne of God was CIRCULAR. In this world
we only see half of a rainbow, or half of things, in Heaven we shall see the
whole of things. And that rainbow was in emerald color, but, definitely not the
mixture of seven primary colors. And the rainbow is the sign of a covenant
based on an accepted Sacrifice, the Sacrifice of Noah (Gen. 8:20-22). What does
this “CIRCULAR GREEN RAINBOW” about the Throne of God signify? It signifies
that God is a Covenant keeping God, that His promises as to this earth shall be
fulfilled." (Taken from: http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/tbr/tbr021.htm)
Ali Sina has to put this narration in the
picture for me; does this depiction make any sense to him? Semi Circular
Colorful Rainbow as the sign of Noah’s Accepted Sacrifice and Circular Emerald
Color Rainbow around God’s Throne as the sign of Jesus’ Accepted Sacrifice. And
he wanted Dr. Zakir to agree on this point and affirm that it is surely a sign
of God’s promise and rule out all the rules of science. And God found only a
rainbow in this world to vision His ever-lasting covenant to mankind? What so
significant about rainbow that God chose it as His “covenant-keeper”? What was
rainbow in the sight of God before he made it as a token of Covenant? Does God
require a rainbow to remember and to keep his promises? “God of Bible” shattered
his covenant by sending Tsunami which exterminated around 200,000 innocent
people; and still we see the rainbow everyday. The story of “storm of Noah” is off-beam
in the Bible which inevitably makes the story of rainbow erroneous as well.
Readers! Dr. Zakir Naik only denied having
faith on the fact that rainbow is the sign of God’s promise as mentioned in the
Bible? Dr. Zakir Naik and we all Muslims indubitably, accept as true, that
rainbow is undeniably one of the signs of Allah’s creation as like other
creations in the world. Similarly, rain is also a sign of Allah’s creation in
sight of every Muslim.
Readers! You judge now who is fool? Ali Sina or Dr. Zakir Naik.
“And We send the fecundating winds, then cause the rain to
descend from the sky, therewith providing you with water (in abundance), though
ye are not the guardians of its stores.” (Quran 15:22)
In counter to Ali Sina’s post, I will present one more translation
of the same verse in order to understand it correctly:
“And
We send the winds fertilizing, and cause water to descend from the sky, and
give it you to drink. It is not ye who are the holders of the store thereof.”
(Quran 15:22)
The other translation that I have posted above uses the word
“fertilizing” which can also be used in this place as a replacement of the word
“fecundating”. Actually both are the same, fecundated means fruitfulness,
richness, lushness, productiveness, and antonym is infertility. I have already
referenced this verse as an example under the section of evaporation; however,
here I will give you another scientific fact that is proven in this Quranic
verse. And that is “Wind Pollination”; the transfer of pollen from a stamen to
a pistil, fertilization in flowering plants using wind as a medium. According
“Britannica Concise Encyclopedia”;
“Insects
and wind are the most important pollinators among other agents.” (Take from: http://www.answers.com/topic/pollination)
Alhudullillah, Quranic verse 15:22 also clearly mentions the
phenomenon of Pollination by wind by giving a description in disguise in the
phrase “fecundating winds”.
Now I will give another scientific fact and that is; in this verse,
the Quran unveils another great mystery of creation, the fundamental role
played by the wind in the fertilization of clouds. Using complex instruments
and electrical means, civilized man has made great progress in recent years
resulting in the establishment of the discipline known as meteorology.
Specialists in this discipline point out the following: "It must be recognized that the
obtaining of two conditions - the existence of steam in the air and its
distillation to the point of saturating the air - is not enough to cause the
formation of clouds and the occurrence of rainfall. A third condition is also
necessary, which we may call fertilization.”
In the appearance of natural phenomena, a kind of friction and delay
always exists. For example, if water is pure and stationary, it is possible
that its temperature is reduced to below zero without its solidifying and that
it does not begin to boil until its temperature is much higher than 100
degrees. Also, steam may not begin to distill even though it has reached a
point of saturation, and once it has distilled, its globules may be so minute
that they do not fall, remaining instead suspended in the air so that no
rainfall occurs. It is necessary for the wind to provide invisible particles of
salt, picked up from the surface of the oceans that then form nuclei of
attraction and inflation. More importantly, the moisture in the air has to
accumulate around the crystallized snowflakes that have formed at higher
altitudes and are then scattered by the wind.
Finally, the minute initial drops of rain merge with each other as a
result of the collision and intermingling of the winds until they gradually
grow in size and fall through cloud masses as a result of their relatively
great weight.
As a result of their friction with features of the earth and with
bodies suspended in the air, cloud masses acquire opposing electrical forces.
The release of this electricity is accompanied by intense friction of the
particles in the air and the formation of nitrogen. This process contributes
considerably to the merging and growing of raindrops and the occurrence of
rainfall.
In short, the formation and strengthening of clouds, and the
occurrence of rainfall and snow, cannot take place without a form of
fertilization, accomplished through the intervention of an outside factor.
Artificial rainfall likewise depends on artificial fertilization,
carried out in the following way: an airplane scatters "water dust"
(pulverized and crystallized ice) in air that has the potentiality of cloud
formation but is in a state of delayed equilibrium.
Discussing the rich treasury of knowledge contained in the Quran,
Dr. Bucaille writes: "Whereas
monumental errors are to be found in the Bible, I could not find a single error
in the Quran. I had to stop and ask myself: if a man had been the author of the
Quran, how could he have written facts in the seventh century AD that today are
shown to be in keeping with modern scientific knowledge?
There was absolutely no doubt about it: the text of the Quran we
have today is most definitely a text of the period, if I may be allowed to put
it in these terms (in the next chapter of the present section of the book I
shall be dealing with this problem). What human explanation can there be for
this observation? In my opinion there is no explanation; there is no special
reason why an inhabitant of the Arabian Peninsula should, at a time when King
Dagobert was reigning in
“It
is He Who sendeth the winds like heralds of glad tidings, going before His
mercy: when they have carried the heavy-laden clouds, We drive them to a land
that is dead, make rain to descend thereon, and produce every kind of harvest
therewith: thus shall We raise up the dead: perchance ye may remember.” (Quran
7:57)
I will retort to only those annotations of Ali Sina’s which are
allied to the subject matter. He said "Not all winds carry glad
tidings. Some of them are devastating. Also most of the rains do not fall
on dead land but on very wet lands". It gives the impression that his
perspective is very irrational, for example; if I put forth a statement that
"Ali Sina is a fool", and then in the counter reply he says "No,
I am not the only one, there are many others like me". In opposition I
would say that my remark was only destined to him and it only expressed him as
a fool and not others. However, if I would have said that "Ali Sina is the
only fool", then he would have had an opportunity to refute me by stating
other fools. Similarly, Quranic verse 7:57 is specifically talking about only those
winds that carry glad tidings and not of those who are a disaster for the
people; since there are other verses which speaks about rain as a catastrophe explicitly.
Here, I am presenting some Quranic verses that are specifically stating about
winds that are disaster.
"…But
We sent against them a hurricane and forces that ye saw not: but Allah sees (clearly)
all that ye do." (Quran 33:9)
"…they
were destroyed by a furious Wind, exceedingly violent;" (Quran 69:6)
"So
We sent against them a furious Wind through days of disaster," (Quran
41:16)
I have also referred to Quranic verse 7:57 above, under the subject
of "Evaporation".
For Ali Sina, another counsel to him is to keep his smudged mind
fresh, keep his eyes wide open, contemplate on what is being said and try to
comprehend the translation whenever he reads Quran. Do not read it like he reads
any other book. Do not treat Quran like any other religious book.
“He
sends down water from the skies, and the channels flow, each according to its
measure: But the torrent bears away to foam that mounts up to the surface. Even
so, from that (ore) which they heat in the fire, to make ornaments or utensils
therewith, there is a scum likewise. Thus doth Allah (by parables) show forth
Truth and Vanity. For the scum disappears like froth cast out; while that which
is for the good of mankind remains on the earth. Thus doth Allah set forth
parables.” (Quran 13:17)
Ali Sina articulated that "this is just a parable.
Nothing scientific here", let's uncover the scientific facts in
this verse and readers you advise if there is any scientific knowledge in this
verse.
"He sends down water from the skies, and the channels
flow, each according to its measure" Readers! If you notice the latter part, it
is aiming to both actions; first, the rain pours down according to its
measure and channels or rivers stream according to their measures. It
is cogent that all these measures are appointed by Allah.
The following question arises for both rain and rivers; can we
measure them? Let see if we can answer this question. I will answer separately
for both entities, i.e. rain and rivers.
Rain:
Some what similar question was asked
from Meteorologist Mike
Bosilovich of NASA's Data Assimilation Office at Goddard Space Flight Center in
Greenbelt, he is the lead author of the study being published in the
March-April issue of the Journal of Hydrometeorology, and he said "If I
see rain or snow in the central U.S., I can now tell you how much of the
moisture came from the Gulf of Mexico, how much came from the tropical Atlantic
Ocean and so on,"
"The model gives us a much
clearer picture of how water moves in the atmosphere than we have ever had
before."
NASA has made a computer model that can simulate water movement in
the atmosphere around the world, and traces it from the places where it
evaporates to the places where it falls back to Earth. (Taken from:
http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/20020401watervapor.html)
Now human beings can also some what
measure the capacity of rain. Around 1400 years ago this information was given
in the Quran and its only yesterday that we have discovered that rain has its
own measures, quantity and capacity.
Rivers:
Measure of flow in rivers affects many
issues of water quality and quantity together. River ecosystems and the native
species dependant upon them can best be conserved by protecting as much as
possible of the natural variability in flow - a concept that has been called
the "natural flow paradigm".
Because we will not perfectly
understand how much alteration of natural flow regimes is ecologically
tolerable in any particular river, the definition of an adequate or preferred
flow regime should be determined in an adaptive fashion - a concept that has
been called "adaptive management".
For more
information on how river flow can affect out ecosystem please visit the
following site. http://www.epa.gov/watertrain/river/index.html
Readers! If you examine the Quranic
verse 13:17, doesn't this phrase "according to its measure" ring any
bell? Why Allah is setting measures to rain and rivers? And why is He telling
us that he set measures? Surely, it depicts that Allah has put a great deal of
scientific knowledge in this small verse and leave it for sensible people to
find the truth. I said “sensible people”, which surely curb Ali Sina elsewhere.
I have already replied to each and every acrimonious comment Ali
Sina emblazoned in his lewd article pertaining to rain. I will hand it down to the
readers to settle on if there are any scientific facts in the verses mentioned
in the holy Quran.
He said, "Is there any hitherto unknown scientific
information in these verses?" I would like to ask him, why he is looking
for unknown scientific information in the Quran. Why does he think that Quran
is a book of Science and not of signs? If some how he finds an unknown
scientific fact in Quran then how is he going to prove it? In that case, again
he will hit Muslims back saying this is something very vague and ask us to
prove this “unknown scientific fact”.
I have already proved that what ever scientific knowledge Quran
gives, was not known at the time of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and
thus also proving Ali Sina to be fool who is not able to comprehend the truth.
As for the rest of his polluted
comments, I will retort under some other topic insha Allah.
Do Mountains Stabilize Earth
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Dr.
William Campbell spent maximum…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…beneath us from shaking
with us has come from.
Answer:
I am assuring to the readers that
whatever Dr. Zakir articulated regarding "mountains as stakes",
"they have deep roots" and "they give stability to Earth"
are all authentic annotations devoid of any uncertainties. I am employed with
an oil company and I am surrounded by thousands geologists (Muslims and non-Muslims).
I had a personal conversation with many of them pertaining to "
These geologists are not graduates
from Al Azhar University and that is for sure, as I corroborated with them.
However, at least they have graduate and masters' degree in geology, not like Ali
Sina, who looks as if never attended a school. And it seems factual as I will
ascertain later in this topic.
Readers, I want your full concentration
on this topic. Over here I will again prove how Ali Sina manipulates words,
twists meanings, bluntly lie to people, and what evidence he churns out to
espouse his lame accusations. I will elucidate step by step:
Mountains do have
roots (mountains as stakes):
Quranic verse in question:
"And
the mountains as pegs?" (Quran 78:7)
Much of the depiction was already afforded
by Dr. Zakir Naik in his speech that the "mountains have roots". And
here is the proof:
Excerpts from: http://www.geology.wisc.edu/courses/g112/mtn_roots.html.
This particular site belongs to
"Geology & "Geophysics" department of "UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN-MADISON".
"The most important point is that mountains have buoyant
roots that extend downward in to the mantle beneath a mountain range, and that
the roots are, in general, about 5.6 times deeper than the height of the
range."
"Continents are buoyant crust
that float on a denser mantle. We can thus use the density of continental rocks
and mantle rocks to calculate how deep roots are that support mountain ranges."
"The existence of buoyant roots has important implications
for the lifetime of mountain ranges. What happens when erosion removes material
from the top of a mountain? With less mass above sea-level to support, the
buoyant root rebounds upward an amount that is exactly proportional to the
density difference between the root and the underlying mantle! Thus, in the
case of an iceberg that stands 10 meters above sea level, if all 10 meters of
ice melt from the top, the buoyant root pushes upwards 9 meters! The iceberg
thus loses only 1 meter of height. It thus takes much longer for the iceberg to
"disappear" because its buoyant root continually restores (from
beneath sea level) ice that melts above the water surface."
"The bottom line - once plate
tectonic processes build a mountain range, the buoyant underlying root enables
the mountain range to hang around a long time even while its being actively
eroded."
This precise editorial is value reading and I will insist readers to
examine it. It gives you the loads of subsequent information:
1.
Evidence
for mountain roots
2.
It presents
a mathematical equation to find out how deep must the root extend down in to
the mantle to support the elevation.
3.
Implication
of roots on the life time of mountain ranges.
4.
Calculate
mathematically that mountain will not survive long if it doesn't have roots.
5.
Calculate
mathematically the life time of a mountain range; given mountains have roots.
6.
What
will happen to a mountain if it doesn’t have any roots?
7.
A
simple mathematical derivation of the equation for mountain root depths.
"Note
that mountains have deep roots, as determined through seismological and
gravity studies." (Taken from: http://www.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/geo101/mountain.htm).
This particular site belongs to "
Excerpts
from: http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/distance/gg101/Programs/program8%20MountainBuilding/program8.html.
This particular site belongs to
"
"…and
the continents began to embed themselves into plates that had mantle
roots,"
"To
explain this discrepancy Airy concluded that a low density root must lie
beneath the range. Geophysical studies have since confirmed that the crust
beneath the
"It's
now known that most mountain ranges are underlain by crustal roots floating
atop the hot plastically deforming mantle. The roots grow as a result of
compression during plate convergence. As mountain ranges are worn down, their
roots are buoyed upward by the mantle."
"In
the same way, tall mountains usually have roots extending deeper into the Earth
than low mountains made up of the same rock type."
"When
you build up a large mountain range, you're liable to have a root underneath
and a lot of material piled up high on the Earth's surface"
"Floating
on Earth's plastic mantle, these gigantic topographic features disappear slowly
as their low-density roots are buoyed up."
Excerpt from: http://www.news.utoronto.ca/bin6/060421-2217.asp. This site belongs to "
"It
profoundly changes the behaviour of the tectonic plates beneath the mountains.
“These are tiny, tiny changes on the surface, but integrating them over
geologic time scales affects the roots of the mountains, as opposed to just the
top of them,”
Following is
taken from the article written by Donald L. Blanchard who is Amateur
Herpetologist, Armchair Paleontologist, Geomorphologist, and
Paleoclimatologist. He has written many articles related to herpetology, and he
is the author of book "The ABC's of Plate Tectonics" (Taken from
his website: http://home.pcisys.net/~dlblanc/. Let us see what he
says in his book.
"The
forces pushing down from above the fluid's surface - in this case the ocean
floor - must equal the forces pushing up from below, caused by the displacement
of denser mantle material by the less dense continental rock of the mountains'
roots"
"The
roots of the mountains will be sitting in the middle of a flat".
"The
roots of those mountains will be pushed down into the mantle to depths
approaching 100,000 feet, where the heat and pressure is great enough to
partially melt and deform the layers of sandstone and shale."
"When
all the sediments have been folded, right back to the edge of our original
mountains' roots, remove the lateral pressure between the two original
continents and allow them to move as a single continent."
"What
is today a 3.5 billion year old craton was, 3.5 billion years ago, the roots of
a major mountain range, indicating that orogeny driven by plate tectonics was
already occurring well before 3.5 billion years ago"
You
can read the whole article written by Donald L. Blanchard here:
http://webspinners.com/dlblanc/tectonic/craton.php
I believe that I have presented sufficient
proofs to shut Ali Sina’s foul mouth that "mountains do have roots"
and they play such an eminent role in their existence.
Readers! The articles that Ali Sina
has presented in his website a propos to creation of mountains, I consent that
they do not reference "mountains have roots". However, on the other
hand they also do not declare that "mountains CAN NOT have roots". Therefore,
he is using these articles which are not even vocalizing about “mountains'
roots” to sustain his claims. This is silliness again. Let him find an article
with authentic proofs that cites "MOUNTAINS CANNOT HAVE ROOTS".
Ali Sina’s approach is very juvenile. He
is referring to websites which are for school children (1 & 2) and the
third one is for multimedia visualization.
Readers! Please find below the sites
Ali Sina has mentioned in his article and also please visit the sites in order to
prove that they are for school children. First site says," Moorland is a
1.
http://www.moorlandschool.co.uk/earth/tectonic.htm
2.
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/Homework/mountains/types.htm
3.
http://emvc.geol.ucsb.edu/downloads.php
Ali Sina has proved himself a preschooler. He is defending his
claims through these infantile websites. And, one of these sites allows
visitors to play children games. Are these his evidences?
Readers! "Mountain's roots"
is a subject matter for connoisseurs and advance students, but not for
children. This area of discussion elucidates and presents convoluted theories, metaphors
and complex mathematical formulas and equations that in no way can enter into a
child's brain. This is the basis Ali Sina is not able to comprehend the whole
concept.
And as for what Dr. Zakir Naik said
"Not all Geologists, but many do say" and in turn Ali
Sina asked him for few names so that he could verify their credentials. Well he
already gave the names, Dr. Frank Press and Dr. Najjar. Let Ali Sina contact
them and verify.
Ali
Sina:
(Dr. Naik) I have not come
across a single Geological book…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…and
let me know to update this page.
Answer:
Such an upset for Ali Sina that he did not get in touch with
Dr. Frank Press, I am definite he would have been proven erroneous. So, why he
did not communicate with other Geologists and verify the claim? There are
websites accessible over Internet where you could inquire straightforwardly from
various geologists and geophysicists (provided they are not Ali Sina’s
disciples belonging to “Golden Rule Cult”).
I also did not read the book "The
Earth" written by Dr. Frank Press, but I did not keep my self limited to
only Dr. Frank Press. I communicated with other geologists who are working with
me. I will not reference them over here in this discussion as personal discussion
will not carry any weight. However, I will provide proof in black and white that
"mountains do give stability to Earth". In this discussion I will not
make any references to children's websites that were brought up by Ali Sina in his
article.
Mountains
do give stability to Earth:
Quranic verses in question:
"And
We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with
them," (Quran 21:31)
"He
set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you;"
(Quran 31:10)
"And
He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with
you;" (Quran 16:15)
Excerpts from: http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/distance/gg101/Programs/program8%20MountainBuilding/program8.html
"When you build up a large
mountain range, you're liable to have a root underneath and a lot of material
piled up high on the Earth's surface, and, ultimately, if you don't have forces
to keep it piled up, that is going to tend to want to equilibrate and float in
gravitational equilibrium with the other areas around it."
"As
mountain belts uplift and late in their stages, they may begin to actually
undergo extensional collapse or breaking apart at the high levels due to the
force of gravity. At their deeper levels, there may be plastic flow underneath
them or compensation by flow in the mantle in order to let whatever root that
exists to equilibrate and to come to gravitational equilibrium with the mantle
and a lower crust around it."
"The
floating of Earth's crust atop the mantle is termed "isostasy". This
is similar to what happens at sea, where large icebergs float with more ice
extending beneath the surface than small ones do. In the same way, tall
mountains usually have roots extending deeper into the Earth than low mountains
made up of the same rock type. In both cases, far more mass lies hidden from
view than can be seen at the surface. Isostasy is the process by which
different thickness and different density irregularities in the outer Earth
float in gravitational equilibrium with one another."
Isostasy can be put in plain words as harmonizing of forces between
the effects of gravity on the mass of a section of earth (such as a large
basin, or mountain range) and the resistance of that mass to plummeting in to
the mantle of the earth. Isostatic adjustment is the process that is
responsible for why certain areas of the Earth are at elevation than other
areas. Mountain belts exist because those areas of the continental crust were
thickened during compressional events (a result of tectonic plates pressing
against each other). The amount of the crust that sinks in to the mantle is
directly proportional to the thickness of the thickened crust times the average
density of the crust times the acceleration due to gravity. The extra rock that
does not displace mantle sticks up in to the air. Mountains!
Now I have proved that Earth when
requires stability in gravitational equilibrium or balance, results in mountain
formation.
Excerpts from article which is written
by Jane M. Matty who is
Associate Professor Director, CMU Environmental Studies Program and her
specialties are Geochemistry and Hydrology. She is PhD from
"Isostasy
provides the primary link between erosion and uplift of mountains. Earth's
crust essentially floats on the denser mantle that behaves as a very viscous
fluid. Different regions of the crust "float"--or achieve isostatic
balance--at different elevations based on their thicknesses and
densities."
Readers! I believe this is enough
proof to refute Ali Sina’s lame claims as I have presented the quotations from renowned
“non-Muslim” Universities, authorities and experts.
Referring to above mentioned proof, I
do believe now that what ever Dr. Zakir Naik had quoted in his speech, the same
is also written in Dr. Frank's book.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) The function of the mountain in the Qur’an,……
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…shaking mean
except earthquake?
Answer:
Readers! Ali Sina is talking gibberish here, what else could
you expect from a child brain. Dr. Zakir Naik was only demonstrating to the
people that the word "earthquake" is not mentioned in the particular
verse as alleged and mistranslated by Dr. William Campbell. The word mention
there is "shake". And yes, you can translate the word
"shake" to whatever you like. However what ever written in Quran
should retain as it is in terms of meanings and translations.
Quran is not like Bible, where the
word is different in Hebrew or Greek and it was translated differently in
English. Whatever is written in Quran in Arabic, it should be translated
accurately.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) And Dr. William Campbell said - He writes…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…where high
mountains don't exist, the ground is very stable.
Answer:
Ali Sina said,"
It is absurd to say that one cannot walk on the surface of these planets and
moons without making the ground beneath them shake." Dr. Benjamin
Fong Chao, B.S. in Physics and Ph.D. in Earth Sciences, currently positioned as
Chief, Space Geodesy Laboratory, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC) said,
"Any worldly event that involves the movement of mass
affects the Earth's rotation, from seasonal weather down to driving a
car," (Taken from:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/jan/HQ_05011_earthquake.html)
It's unambiguous from the words of Dr.
Chao that even trivial matters have an effect on Earth's movement, I am aware
that it would be very negligible but sure it does make a difference in
calculation. And as I have demonstrated above that mountains do stabilize
Earth's crust, so, let's suppose if there were no mountains then Earth would
definitely be rickety. Let's make it clearer by looking at the description of
Isostasy again.
"When
large amounts of sediment are deposited on a particular region, the immense
weight of the new sediment may cause the crust below to sink. Similarly, when
large amounts of material are eroded away from a region, the land may rise to
compensate. Therefore, as a mountain range is eroded down, the (reduced) range
rebounds upward (to a certain extent) to be eroded further. Some of the rock
strata now visible at the ground surface may have spent much of their history
at great depths below the surface buried under other strata, to be eventually
exposed as those other strata are eroded away and the lower layers rebound
upwards again.
An analogy
may be made with an iceberg- it always floats with a certain proportion of its
mass below the surface of the water. If more ice is added to the top of the
iceberg, the iceberg will sink lower in the water. If a layer of ice is somehow
sliced off the top of the iceberg, the remaining iceberg will rise. Similarly,
the Earth's lithosphere "floats" in the asthenosphere." (Taken
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isostasy)
What ensue if
Earth does not have a mechanism to equalize or balance itself? Definitely Earth
will tilt to the side where there is more weight. And transfer of weight will certainly
wobble the crust of the Earth; likewise heavy movements will shake the Earth
itself.
For example; let us imagine that plate tectonics are not occurring
on Earth consequently there are no mountains either. And Earth is balanced
impeccably, if an airplane flies from one part of the Earth then that part will
positively loose some weight and Earth's crust will tilt. Likewise, after
couple of hours of flying when airplane arrives at its destination the weight
will again equalize and vice versa. This is just an imaginary exemplar I put
forth for Ali Sina, if it is too difficult to swallow what ever I am trying to
state. I am also aware, if plate tectonics were to cease, then so would this
mountain building activity. Erosion would then, eventually, abrade down the
mountains. Sediments removed by erosion, carried in to the oceans by rivers and
streams would eventually lead to a rise in sea level. If the process continued,
it is calculated that eventually a global ocean would cover the Earth
completely, resulting in catastrophic extinction of all land-based species.
"The formation of ice-sheets can cause the Earth's
surface to sink. Conversely, Isostatic post-glacial rebound is observed in
areas once covered by ice-sheets which have now melted, such as around the
Baltic Sea and
"Continental crust and oceanic crust
exist on lithospheric plates buoyant upon a molten,
highly viscous aethenosphere. Within Earth's crustal layers, balancing
processes take place to account for differing densities and mass in crustal
plates. For example, under mountain ranges, the crust slumps or bows deeper
into the upper mantle than where the land mass is thinner across continental
plains. Somewhat akin to how icebergs float in seawater, with more of the mass of larger
icebergs below the water than smaller ones, this bowing results
in a balance of buoyant forces termed isostasy.
"Isostasy is
not a process or a force. It is simply a natural adjustment or balance
maintained by blocks of crust of different mass or density." (Taken from:
http://science.enotes.com/earth-science/Isostasy)
Readers! You tell me now, if this natural
adjustment is eliminated from the Earth then there will be an unbalance and as
the continental crust and oceanic crust on lithospheric plates move around,
then their mass and weight will definitely shake the Earth.
To prevent this
natural adjustment from elimination and to maintain the equilibrium and balance
on Earth, plate tectonics take place and in turn mountains are formed as I have
mentioned above.
It's clear now and I
have given written proof that Quranic verses 21:31, 31:10 & 16:15 are
speaking of mountains that do give stability to Earth.
Ali Sina said," It is absurd to
say that one cannot walk on the surface of these planets and moons without
making the ground beneath them shake." "In planets
where high mountains don't exist, the ground is very stable."
All what you have
written evidently illustrates your lack of information of Science.
"Plate tectonics is unique to
Earth. But learning about it during the last 40 years has given scientists many
theoretical tools to understand other planets, even those that circle other
stars." (Taken from:
http://geology.about.com/library/bl/blnutshell_plate-tec.htm)
"The Earth
appears to be the only body in the solar system to experience plate
tectonics." (Taken from: http://www.wwnorton.com/earth/egeo/features/ch2_2.htm)
"Currently
there is no direct evidence supporting plate tectonics on other planets of our
solar system." (Taken from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A884469)
According to above mentioned excerpts,
1. There is no evidence of plate tectonics on
other planets till now.
2. Means no mountain building.
3. Means mass is evenly distributed
4. No external force, like Humans, buildings
etc.
5. Means no un-stability
On the contrary, on Earth, we have plate
tectonics, means un-stability, mountain building, mass is not evenly
distributed, heavy objects available like humans and buildings etc.
Ali Sina said, "one cannot walk",
he is speaking about one person, one astronaut visiting moon or other planets
and Quran is speaking about human race. And human race do carry weight.
Ali Sina said, "In planets where
high mountains don't exist, the ground is very stable." Yes, but
there are no plate tectonics happening there and there is no external force
imposing them which can cart them off course.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) And Dr. William Campbell in his book, he
writes…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…This
goes beyond absurdity. It's outright asininity.
Answer:
Dr. Zakir Naik is very right when he
translated the verse as "to prevent Earth from shaking with you" as I
have illustrated and proved above. If Ali Sina cannot experience an event it
doesn't mean that it cannot happen. And even he cannot experience it as it will
be a catastrophe.
Ali Sina said," How can even one
suggest that tiny beings like humans can make a continent shake by simply
walking on it?" I would really like to quote Dr. Benjamin Fong
Chao from NASA again:
"To make a comparison about the
mass that was shifted as a result of the earthquake, and how it affected the
Earth, Chao compares it to the great Three-Gorge reservoir of
Readers! Just consider what will happen if
there were no mountains and you had a mass of such enormity as Three Gorge
reservoir. I have already explained the idea above.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) And in reply to the statement…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…example of
patients and doctors.
Answer:
Readers! Again Ali Sina has proved himself a
lunatic. If he would have read or listened carefully to what Dr. Zakir Naik had
said in his speech, he wouldn't be writing such idiotic comments.
Firstly, Dr. William
Campbell gave a wrong analogy of the Quranic verses and secondly, he translated
the word incorrectly as "Earthquake". In his counter reply Dr. Zakir
Naik gave a right analogy. He just replied to his annotations and he was not
comparing non-living things with living things. In my words, "a genius was
giving a stupid answer to a stupid person", the same way I am doing with Ali
Sina. Sometimes you require lowering your level of understanding in order to
educate dumb people like him. The same way, a teacher does to his/her students.
Ali Sina said,”
As for the rest of Ali
Sina’s mucky comments, I will leave it for later reply under some other
discussion.
Oceanology of the Quran
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) In the field of Oceanology, the Glorious…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…except a totally
ignorant person?
Answer:
Quranic verses in question:
“He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting
together” (Quran 55:19)
“Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress” (Quran
55:20)
“It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water:
One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a
barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.” (Quran
25:53)
Once more Ali Sina has afforded arguments
with “NO EVIDENCE” in hand, just only disparaging and dejectedly mottled ideologies
which churn out no astuteness in any way.
Much of the explanation
was already portrayed by Dr. Zakir Naik in his speech and rest I will enlighten
readers using Ali Sina’s own interpretations.
Ali Sina believes, “There
is no “invisible barrier” between two waters, which is “forbidden to be
trespassed”. There is no barrier of any kind - no barzakh at all between
waters.” He
is negating what NASA said,
“The
narrow
At this juncture NASA is conversing with reference to some “density
boundary”; can’t we hail as a barrier which is off-putting sweet water and salt
water to blend instantly? In his interpretation Ali Sina is not only opposing Quranic
verses, although what NASA has held. Jogging his remembrance, as being an
atheist he ought to choose a side; either Holy Scriptures or Science. He
requires either of them to prove his allegations.
Ali Sina uttered, “All waters
mix and there is no barrier, invisible or otherwise between them”. I agree
to the first part of adversary quickly, if he ever looked at the translation attentively
he would fathom that Quran has used the word مرج meaning “they both meet and mix with one
another”. Now he has to put in the picture, as to why on one hand Quran is
saying that sweet and salt water when meet, they mix and on the other hand
saying that there is still a boundary which keeps them apart, after meeting.
NASA already gave a reply above. Ali Sina has to enlighten me now that who discerned
this boundary or a barrier 1400 years ago? No one, if he still articulates that
it is a discernible experience then he is dishonest again and as usual.
Readers! There is no approach for Ali
Sina to establish these verses as un-scientific, but limited to only give his own
self-crafted smeared terminologies and tarnish implications, creation of his
own grimy mind, with no evidence in hand at all. Certainly these are his handy
works.
Readers! For more information on this
subject please visit the following site: http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-e.htm
Embryology in the Quran
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) In the field of Embryology, Dr. William Campbell…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…See my response
bellow.
Answer:
Readers! See my response below as well.
Is Islam for All Mankind?
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) As far as this statement of his is concerned…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…truly believe
that the Quran is the word of God.
Answer:
Readers! The only motive I am refuting Ali Sina’s comments is
because Dr. Zakir Naik has mentioned Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon
him) as guidance for all mankind, in his speech which Ali Sina deemed is not
true.
Let’s make out how righteous Ali Sina is
in his claims. He quoted following verses and interpreted that Quran is only destined
for the natives of Makkah and its surroundings.
“And
this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the
revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the mother of cities
and all around her.” (Quran 6:92)
“Thus
have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Qur'an: that thou mayest warn the
Mother of Cities and all around her” (Quran 42:7)
Readers! Where these
verses say that they are restricted to Makkah and its surroundings only?
According to English language, “all” also means as “the entire”, “the whole”,
“every single one”, and “each and every one”. Therefore, it means all the
places surrounding Makkah which is a hub of Islam, means the whole universe.
The word applied for “surrounding” in above
mentioned Quranic verses is حولها and if you look up for this word in any
other verses it gives you the same translation.
“Those
who sustain the Throne (of Allah. and those around it Sing Glory and Praise to
their Lord;” (Quran 40:7)
In the above verse Allah is mentioning
“all of those mankind” who believes in Him. There is no where in this verse a limitation
of mankind is defined. Thus proving Quranic verses 6:92 & 42:7 to be true
and they meant for whole humanity.
Readers! I would like Ali Sina to find me a verse from Holy Quran
where it unequivocally states that Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon
him) are only sent for the people of Makkah? I said unequivocally and not
smeared construal same as he always presents.
Quranic verses in question:
“Or
do they say, "He has forged it"? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord,
that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in
order that they may receive guidance.” (Quran 32:3
“In
order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no
admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah” (Quran
36:6)
Ali Sina said, “The people of the Book, i.e. the Jews,
the Christians and perhaps the Zoroastrians had their own messengers and their
guidance. The only people who had not received guidance were the Arabs,
specifically the Arabs of
Ali Sina said, “So, it is clear
that Muhammad claimed that he had come only for the Quraish and not for the
people of the Book and the rest of mankind”. Where is it written in the
verses he mentioned? He said that “Muhammad claimed”, but tell me where did he
claim in these verses?
Ali Sina said, “They must leave
Islam, if they truly believe that the Quran is the word of God”. What is
he saying here? Is he in his senses or is it a typo? Why should we leave Islam
if we believe Quran to be the word of Allah?
Readers! I could have spent more time
on these verses, but they are not actually the theme in this discussion. For
rest of Ali Sina’s comments, (his sickness of going off-track is going out of
hands) I will do reply later insha Allah.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Qur’an says in Surah Ibrahim,
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…you are accepting
to be inferior.
Answer:
Quranic verse in question:
“We
sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.” (Quranic verse 21:107)
Readers! I will only reply to only those comments of Ali Sina
pertaining to this particular Quranic verse. For rest of the excerpts, I will
do rebut under some other topic insha Allah.
Ali Sina said, “Nas is people – any number of people. It
could be people gathered in a room. It could refer to the inhabitants of a
village, a town, a country and not necessarily ALL Mankind”. Why not necessarily
all mankind? What kind of logic is this? It is like he is forcing us to use
this word in limitations, but why? First he said that “Nas is people - any
number of people” and then he said “not necessarily ALL Mankind”, he is
contradicting himself. Does he drink alcohol while writing? What about the
whole chapter 114 by the name of “An-Nas” meaning “Mankind”?
“Say:
I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind,” (Quran 114:1)
“The
King (or Ruler) of Mankind” (Quran 114:2)
“The
Allah (for judge) of Mankind” (Quran 114:3)
“(The
same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,” (Quran 114:5)
What does Ali Sina has to say about
above mentioned verses? Readers! Please note that how Ali Sina manipulates
words and twists the meanings to confuse common people. The Arabic word الناس also means
“mankind” as mentioned in the above verses. I can give you more Quranic verses
where this word is used for mankind, however above seems enough.
By the grace of Allah I have proven
that Quran and Prophet Muhammad are sent for “the whole mankind”.
For rest of his mucky comments
including some hadiths he mentioned. I will rebut later insha Allah.
Embryology Continuation
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) So as far as the Qur’an
is concerned…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…different than
what the X rays reveal.
Answer:
Readers! Please do read the article “How the
Westerners Found $cience in the Quran” by Abul Kasem. It is hilarious indeed. The
author appeared to be so belligerent in faceting “Dr. Maurice Bucaille’s” &
“Dr. Keith Moore’s” life histories. Bestowing the inkling that he was in the
company of Doctors all the time and noting down all the things they were doing.
Surprisingly, he is also aware of the “HIDDEN STORY” that King Faisal bribed
Doctors to inscribe their books. He & his ally Ali Sina imagine that
populace will believe every word from them by “NO EVIDENCE” in hand again.
Readers! I cannot resist myself in retorting to a few comments a propos this
article. It seems Ali Sina’s sickness (of going out of track) is creeping up on
me. However, I won’t engrave too much with reference to it and certainly won’t
confuse you as well.
In one place article says, “To
say that the "water cycle" is something that is discovered by the
Qur’an is simply laughable and reveals nothing but the real motive as to why
Dr. Bucaille is so inclined in pleasing the Islamists”. No where Quran mentions
that water cycle is discovered by it. Again a lie and allegation against Quran
and no scholar pronounces that as well.
Truthful testimony is that Abul Kasem should put in to words that
water cycle is mentioned in Quran and it was discovered by populace later.
Article says, “This is due to
the fact that almost all the Islamic countries have translated his book in
their languages and it is a must read book for the new Mullahs. I have
never seen this book in our mosques or in our religious schools (madrasa). Endow
with evidence where it bares that it is part of the curriculum for the students
in religious schools. This is a lie from Abul Kasem.
Article says, “Dr. Bucaille's
book leaves one with the impression that he (Dr. Bucaille) is convinced that
Islam is the truest religion of all on earth and the Qur’an is indeed the words
of Allah. Now when a person is so much
convinced in a faith we naturally expect him to be a Muslim, isn't it?”
Why doesn’t Abul Kasem ask Doctor, in person? Send one of Ali Sina’s disciples
or his own allies to ask him personally. And how sure is he on Doctor’s conversion?
I didn’t locate a single article (known or unknown) stating Dr. Maurice
Bucaille conversion to Islam with proper evidence.
Article says, “Being a man of
science why does not he lend his ultimate allegiance to the scientific
Qur’an? What answer the Islamists have
for this enigma of Dr. Bucaille?” Ask Dr. Bucaille? Why is he asking
Muslims? Do we care if he is converted or not?
Besides revealing the “HIDDEN TRUTH” (that
King Faisal bribed Dr. Bucaille) which only Abul Kasem, Ali Sina and their
allies knew, there are several other laughable “items” present in this article
as well.
Article says, “Dr. Bucaille
cleverly avoids the political, social and the violent parts of the Qur’an. Are not political and social matters
scientific too? After all, there are
such subjects as political science, social science, etc”. Dr.
Bucaille writes that he could not find any verse in Qur’an that is against
science”. Subsequently Abul Kasem furnishes a list of items from Quran,
and according to him, they should be part of science in Doctor’s book but they
are not.
Whatever Abul Kasem has printed in his article is refutable. One just
has to rummage around on Internet to acquire an in depth answers. I only like
to give my reply to one of his examples where he says that Islam allows beating
the wives in order to make them obedient. I just want to enlighten Abul Kasem
that he is no better than Dr. Maurice Bucaille, when he said that Doctor “cleverly
avoids violent parts of the Quran”, since Abul Kasem has done the same
thing. He deliberately avoided good parts of Quran regarding the position of
women in Islam. He just posted a particular verse that only served his own
purpose, discarding bunch of other verses pertaining to women’s rights and
position in Islam. Following are the some of verses from Quran:
“And
give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their
own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, Take it and enjoy it with right
good cheer.” (Quran 4:4)
“And
those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses
(to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject
their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors” (Quran 24:4)
“Those
who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and
in the Hereafter: for them is a grievous Penalty” (Quran 24:23)
“O
ye who believe! When ye marry believing women, and then divorce them before ye
have touched them, no period of 'Iddat have ye to count in respect of them: so
give them a present. And set them free in a handsome manner.” (Quran 33:49)
For particular verse
which Abul Kasem was referring to where it says to beat wives to make them
obedient is this. Readers! Search Internet for a detailed answer.
“Men
are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one
more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means.
Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the
husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose
part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse
to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to
obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High,
great (above you all).” (Quran 4:34)
Article says, “If the Hindus could generate billions of
petro-dollar they can surely employ many western professors to do just that”.
Meaning, Hindus do not have billion dollars to take into service western
professors. Isn’t it much of senselessness from Abul Kasem. One can easily acquire
such “western professors” who effortlessly can put up for sale their ego and
faith and can do anything for money (same way you alleged Muslims to hire Dr.
Maurice Bucaille & Dr. Keith Moore). If Muslim dogma is not coming in to
grips and it is going out of their hands then employ western professors, subsequently
we will see what they will come up to. Fetch in all your atheists, contribute to
a cause of hiring professors, and let them loose to defy Islam. Ali Sina can
also put his $50,000 for this cause. I want to see how strongly they can hit.
Article says, “There are separate
pay structures and perks for the whites and the dark skinned people in most
Arab countries”. Readers! Please note that how Abul Kasem is keep on
lying to the people. I work with an oil company in
Readers! I will stop here. You go
through this article yourself and do search for all the allegations for
evidences and I am assuring you that you won’t find any one. People like Ali
Sina and Abul Kasem desire Holy Scriptures to be like a book of science, where
it should mention 2+2=4 and mathematical equations and terms, theories and
hypothesis. Keeping this scenario in consideration, you tell me who will regard
such a kind of book. If this so called “Holy Scripture” mentions simple
formulas then it should be meant for only children and if it contains complex
formulas and rocket science then it would be meant for higher students. Science
book also requires experts for understanding. These kinds of people will never
sit back in criticizing such “Holy Scriptures”, and will keep on poking people
of the book that their book is not for the whole humanity. Holy Scriptures
should be all together different, from all other books written by humans, and
it should invite people to search for a truth hidden in them and such discourses
are actually what you call a beauty of a book.
Readers! Besides not having their own
Holy Book and no fear of justifying their faith and beliefs, people like Ali
Sina and Abul Kasem will never sit back but will always hit you as they will
never agree to any of your explanations. They will just stick to the outset of the
terms mentioned in Holy Scriptures, without producing solid evidences and
logical explanations but just keep howling on the basis whatever their
teeny-weeny brain can grasp.
Human
embryo and leech:
Readers! I am posting here few
pictures of human embryo and leech and you decide for yourself if they resemble.
Human
Embryo Pictures:
Just be assured that none of the
pictures are from Islamic sites.
Look at the part where it denotes
“Tail Bud”, “Somites”, and “Brain”. If you redraw the picture again leaving out
rest of the parts except tail bud, somites and brain, you will surely see a
resemblance as leech.
A model
of Human Embryo
Leech
Pictures:
Consider tail bud, somites, and brain,
then compare it with leech and surely you will see a resemblance.
Again Ali Sina did not provide any
evidence in his claims. He just believed what ever Dr. William Campbell
presented. The part where Dr. Zakir Naik was telling about “different
perspective”, he would surely get the idea what Doctor was talking about after
looking at the pictures. And in some part of his brain, he will certainly agree
that human embryo does resemble leech, but if he still sticks to his belief
then he is a dishonest person, dishonest to himself and to people as well.
Readers! Regarding the meaning of
alaqa, much has been posted on the Internet. I will advise you to search for it
and you will surely get the answers “WITH EVIDENCES”.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) What Dr. William Campbell showed you…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm)
…Islam is nothing
but a big lie.
Answer:
Readers! I have already posted pictures of human embryo and
leech as evidences. And it is not required for Ali Sina at all to stand on his
head to agree to perception, but just requires from his part a mere common
sense which I surely doubt that he has it. However, if his common sense does
not work this way then he can stand on his head if it suites him. Rest, I will
leave it to the enlightened readers to fix on.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Professor Keith Moore, after about 80 questions…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…we can dispense
with the opinions of authorities.
Answer:
Ali Sina said, “We don't need the opinions of the
experts when we can easily find the facts on our own”. What if one
cannot comprehend scientific terminologies; a person will definitely refer to
the specialists for a profound explanation. Readers! When Ali Sina fells ill, it
seems that he refers to books of medicine rather then visiting a Doctor where he
could get detailed and proper information concerning his disease? Similarly, does
he not accept the words of a Doctor just because he is an authority? This is ridiculousness
again.
Ali Sina said, “We must not
accept the words of anyone just because they are authorities”. Oh! So
this is the reason he is still suffering from his mental sickness. He must summon
an authority in Medical Science for cure. My counsel is to see a Muslim doctor.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) ‘Moon is reflected light’ - I’ll come to it later on…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…What is the name
of that award?
Answer:
The name of the award is “J. C. B. Grant Award” by the
Canadian Association of Anatomists in 1991. And he also received Honored Member
Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists “for outstanding
contributions to the field of clinical anatomy”.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) This is the Islamic edition that was put forward…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…which is of
course not true.
Answer:
Readers! Such a disgusting mind and traits Ali Sina has. I
wonder if he ever reveres his own family and associates. He surely proves me
that he has never learnt etiquettes from his child hood. Such mottled wits he
has, really compelling me to have faith in his debauched bring up.
Ali Sina asked, “Where does the
Quran say anything about millions of sperms? I will not counter this
query, for the reason that, subsequently he will raise a question if Quran has scores
of scientific miracles then where is it written that 2+2=4. Therefore, I rather
not react to this childish inquiry.
As for the meaning of alaqa, readers
please search Internet for comprehensive answer. Much has already been written
and is available on Internet with evidences.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Qur’an says in Surah Sajda Ch. 32 Verse no. 8…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…is not at all
concerned about lying?
Answer:
Quran is only giving a depiction of semen. Readers! You can conclude
now how Ali Sina is deceiving people.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) And Qur’an says in Surah Insan, Ch. 76 Verse No. 2…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…Mother was
only an incubator in his mind.
Answer:
Quranic verse in question:
“Verily
We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave
him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight”. (Quranic verse 76:2)
Readers! Right from the outset Ali Sina is proving himself
dupe. Not only he lacks the insight of scriptures, he even seems lame in
English vocabulary as well. The word “mingle” has following meanings:
-
Mix
things together gently or gradually
-
To mix
or bring together in combination
-
To mix
so that the components become united
-
To join
or take parts with others
Every meaning of the word “mingle” is depicting “two or more than
two entities involved in inter-mixing”. In Quranic verse 76:2, one component is
“sperm” itself and second constituent is from female. Otherwise if only sperms
were requested for fertilization, then this verse would be off beam in all
aspects. Therefore, the word “mingled” is equitably employed in this particular
Quranic verse.
Readers! Ali Sina once more substantiated in his declaration that
Quran was not plagiarized from the Bible, when he said, “Galen knew that
woman must also contribute something to the formation of the fetus, although he
erroneously thought this something is congealed blood. But Muhammad did not
think any female contribution is needed. Mother was only an incubator in
his mind”. Although, this entire testimonial is erroneous, yet still it
rebuffs what he keeps on yowling about Quran was forged from the Bible.
Ali Sina said, “Mother, in Muhammad’s embryology is only an
incubator. She does not contribute genetically to the formation of the embryo”.
And afterwards he brought up two Quranic verses and cited that there are no
allusions of female interference in these verses. Quranic verse 23:14 confers
the answer when it articulates about changing “nutfa” in to a clot of congealed
blood. Readers! You elucidate me where this precise stage is ensuing? Surely,
it is occurring in Mother’s womb. This verse surely depicts the idea of woman
intervention in fertilization process. If donkey brain like Ali Sina cannot
apprehend the truth then it is his own deficiency not that Quran is fallible.
Readers! By this time you must be sure about Ali Sina’s intellectual
fitness and where it is taking him.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) The Qur’an describes the various embryological…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…in the
Quran is scientifically wrong.
Answer:
Readers! There is zilch to comment over here. I have already retorted
to all his allegations above in the discussion.
If Ali Sina does not deem it as a
miracle, that blood is clotted in the closed vessels and there is no
circulation still started as portrayed by Quran, then we do not require his
testimony to prove this. If Quranic description does not seem to be a miracle
to him, as he said in regards to blood clot being an observable phenomenon, so,
isn’t it enough a miracle that he cannot even “disprove” any claim of
Quran regarding blood clot as an observable phenomenon, and subsequently science
has also proved that blood is clotted within the closed vessels as well. Therefore,
one can put both the statements in conjunction with Quranic verse and still
cannot disprove any one of it as they are not in against what is Quran saying.
In short, both the descriptions are proved by this particular Quran verse.
Regarding forging Quran from Bible, I
have already put in words the evidences. Rest of his comments is again his
messy terminologies and nothing at all.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Only
one line answer is sufficient to answer…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…embryonic growth much more
accurately.
Answer:
Readers! For the sake of the argument I agree that an embryo guised
like a clot and it is an observable phenomenon. And it is also one of the meanings
of the word “alaqa”, besides having meanings as “leech like” and “some
thing that clings”. However latter two meanings are not an observable
phenomenon and Ali Sina uttered that it does look like a leech after abortion,
which is wide of the mark. I am presenting here some pictures of human fetuses
that were aborted in first trimester (in which most abortions and miscarriages
occur). I want readers to look at the size of human fetuses starting from 7th
week and see how diminutive they are and if they bear a resemblance to leech.
You can visit the following link to view the pictures (http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-photos.html).
Readers! Sure you have seen that human
fetus does not look like a leech at the most probable week of miscarriage or
abortion. And prior to seventh week, human fetus is not visible to naked eye
and can only be viewable from microscope. Therefore, the only stage when it
looks like a leech is when it is microscopic. This is the also the reason why
Dr. Keith Moore was surprised when he observed the semblance. Who could have
known this fact 1400 years ago?
The exquisiteness and marvel lie in
the word “alaqa” where it symbolizes three meanings and all of them tally
the Quranic descriptions to excellence. According to the sake of argument I acquiesce
with Ali Sina’s fraudulent terminology that human fetus does look like a clot, nevertheless,
he fibbed when he alleged that it is an observable phenomenon where it looks
like a leech as you must have already classified in the pictures. How could
Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) knew that embryo clings and looks like a leech
1400 years ago?
Ali Sina is such a hypocrite. Again he
did not provide any evidence to support his crooked claims.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Professor Keith Moore took plastic seal…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…known to everyone
at the time of Muhammad.
Answer:
Readers! Again “NO EVIDENCE” in hand and just yapping with no
common sense at all from his side. This is another sickness he has besides
going off the subject and perplexing people. Dr. Zakir Naik already cleared
that Quran is furnishing descriptions on appearances and not functions.
It is a common sense that when someone
describes a complex process and if he wants it to be easy to comprehend then he
surely divides it in to easy steps so that they can be grasped with no
difficulty. What so false about it? Quran is doing the same thing, it is noting
down the whole progression of development in to steps in terms of appearances
to make populace understand easily.
Ali Sina said, “Alaqa either
means something that clings or clot of blood. One word in one sentence cannot
have two different meanings.” I would like “PROFESSOR” Ali Sina to ascertain
me that one word cannot have two different meanings in one sentence in Arabic,
Hebrew and Greek? These are the languages in which scriptures were recorded
originally. If his mother tongue has limitations then it is the dilemma of his lingo.
I am not aware of which language he speaks and what is his mother tongue;
however it seems either his language has limitations or he does not know very
much about his dialect. Why is he employing his own language rules to the
languages of Holy Scriptures? One word, several meanings and this is the magnificence
of a language; that was the reason why Arabs before the time Prophet Muhammad
(Peace be upon him) used to call people like Ali Sina as “ajami” عجمى – dumb; dumb in language, dumb in eloquence and dumb in
intellect? They swanked about their language; but this practice of racism was
ceased by our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) by equalizing every
one.
Ali Sina said, “If I say the Moon
looks like Melon, I am right. But this is not a scientific statement”.
Readers! Yes he is right; however, Moon is visible to naked eye and Quran is
talking about stages that are not discernible. Blood clotted with in the closed
vessels, embryo clings to uterine wall and it looks a leech, are not obvious facts
until unless you have a microscope and an ultrasound machine, as I have proved
above. If I say that Ali Sina has a pumpkin-head; again this is an observable
fact and no miracle whatsoever. Marvel lays here, when I pronounce how and what
is inside that pumpkin-head without using any equipment but just divine
knowledge. And this is what Quran is illuminating; THE INSIDE STORY.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Later on the Qur’an says… ‘We made the…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…This statement is
scientific. The Quran is not.
Answer:
Quranic verse in question:
“Then
We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a
(foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with
flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the
best to create!” (Quran 23:14)
Readers! You must have noticed that Ali Sina is acknowledging
all that was said by Dr. William Campbell, as true. Devoid of even applying his
own intellect he is just well-disposed of whatever said by the Doctor. He did
not even try to ensure Doctor’s credence with some other authentic sources concerning
having bones first then flesh during human development.
Here is the evidence:
“The
early skeleton develops primarily by the process of ossification of
pre-existing cartilage formed by 5 weeks of gestation. The cartilaginous model
undergoes invasion by osteoblasts and is only subsequently mineralised. Human
muscle development begins between 6 and 8 weeks of gestation with the formation
of primary muscle fibres followed by the laying down of secondary fibres
between weeks 8 and 18.” (Taken from: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T65-4GSJXHT-2&_coverDate=09%2F30%2F2005&_alid=510036663&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_qd=1&_cdi=5021&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000027078&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=536372&md5=44c86a7dc75d5330a0a51bec9e9268d1)
During human or fetal development,
hyaline cartilage is present at the 5th week and between 6th
and 8th week muscles are formed around hyaline cartilage. Hyaline
cartilage is a precursor of a bone as it is avasular (no blood vessels) in
function. Besides using the direct word “cartilage”, Quran has mentioned the
word “bone” in order to understand it easily. And also the word “cartilage” is
a newly-born modern word and mostly used in medical terminologies at present. Today,
majority of common people who are not linked to any kind of medical field still
not aware of this word and if you still display them a “cartilage” they will
still label it as a “bone”. Therefore, Quran is not made only for the Medical
students but it is for the common people and whole humanity.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) As Professor Keith Moore said that…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…to be covered
with flesh later. Period!
Answer:
It’s Ali Sina’s conjecture again that Quran is amiss. Till
now he did not controvert Quran to be the word of Allah besides bestowing his own
lame postulations and smeared jargons with no evidences, indeed; such are only
by-product of his gutter mind eventually do not make any impression at all. Joseph
Goebbel must be discussing about laypeople like him and his cronies and
disciples who forever yap and yowl lies, devoid of engendering sole “EVIDENCE” in
against, eventually framing the entire fib as fact.
Quranic description of embryonic stages
is flawlessly bona fide as Dr. Zakir Naik and I have publicized above with
“EVIDENCES”. Bone in the form of its precursor known as cartilage is present
when flesh starts mounting around it. Period!
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Therefore he said… therefore he said that…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…laughed his way
to the bank.
Answer:
I am not aware of as why Dr. Moore is not reverted to Islam. Likewise,
I did not come across any realistic account which pronounces that he is “NOT” reverted.
May be he is relapsed and keeping mum, just as the way Ali Sina doing to his
family. Who knows? He has to ask Doctor himself.
Does God Punish People?
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) It is mentioned in Surah Nisa, Ch. No. 4, Verse No. 56…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…and the
characteristic of their sadistic god.
Answer:
Ali Sina said, “He is a lot like me, a
freethinker, a free spirit, and just like me, he is not an appeaser”.
At least now I have the picture how Ali Sina looks like and who he resembles. Is
this poor animal in his good shape or is he also converted to “Golden Rule
Cult” and just turned this way after listening to his sermons? Poor animal!
Readers! I do not intend to remark on any
of his allegations against Allah and his Prophet Mohammed (Peach be upon him)
as this is not the venue. I will retort fully under some other subject later
insha Allah. However, I cannot resist myself (and yes I am contradicting myself
over here) by riposting to some of his dumb philosophies. First; he gave an exemplar
of his cat, expressed his posture towards him, and how he fantasized punishing
him but he never did so, since he loves him a lot. Correspondingly, he compared
the entire scenario of himself and his cat to Allah and humans. Isn’t it
illogical comparing animals with humans and yourself playing God in comparisons?
Such an absurd example he presented. Human beings one of the best of creations of
Allah with intellects; and he compared them with animals with no brains at all.
This entire scenario exceedingly seems a production of twisted mind like Ali Sina
who is also an animal as he already testified his “parents as animals” (This is
in his debate with Yamin Zakaria where he portrayed Muslims as animals). The
debate is over here:
http://www.iiop.org/MDebate.php?recordID=2
Concerning punishments in Islam, Dr.
Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America,
states:
“Allah
(Mighty and Exalted Be He) is indeed very Merciful, Loving and Compassionate,
but He is also Just and Severe in punishment. According to the Qur’an, Allah is
“Forgiver of sins, Accepter of repentance, the Stern in punishment, the
Powerful…” (Ghafir: 3). It is wrong to accept only some aspect of Allah and
ignore or negate some other aspects. When people believe only in the love of
Allah and ignore His justice and power they become careless and do whatever
they wish. When people believe in the justice and power of Allah and ignore His
love and compassion they become hermits and monks and run away from the world
and its enjoyments. Islam teaches us a balanced life and so it teaches us both
aspects of Allah’s Being.
Allah
created human beings and He gave them everything for their existence. He guided
them through His Prophets and Messengers and gave them all the possibilities to
be good and faithful, but if they still reject Him and turn away from Him, then
He does not care for them. Such people by their own actions have made
themselves unworthy of His love and compassion. He warned them again and again that
the consequences of their sins and rebellion will be severe, but if they did
not pay any attention to Him, so why should He show any mercy to such
ungrateful, stubborn, and evil creatures. Allah says in the Qur’an: “O human
being, what has deceived you about your Lord Most Beneficent? Him Who created
you, fashioned you in due proportion, and made you right; and in whatever form
He willed for you, He set you. But no, you do deny the Day of Judgment! Indeed
over you are keeping watch the honorable beings; writing down (your deeds).
They know what you do. The Righteous will be in Bliss; and the Wicked will be
in the Fire, which they will enter on the Day of Judgment.” (Al-Infitar: 6-15)
And Allah says, “We wronged them not, but they it was who did the wrong.”
(Az-Zukhruf: 76)”
Coming back to the topic, Quranic
verse in question:
“Those
who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins
are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste
the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.” (Quran 4:56)
Readers! I will take a different approach over here, yet,
proving this particular verse as scientific and miraculous.
1.
There
is no erroneous information mentioned in this verse so far.
2.
Allah
is revealing in this verse that skin is the part of the body that will be given
penalty. Indicating again that there is some relation of the skin in regards to
pain. Today it is a fact that pain receptors (Nociceptors) are abundant in
skin.
3.
In the
past it was understood that the whole human body could feel pain including internal
organs as well. Where as Quran is purposely speaking about skin in this
particular verse.
4.
Allah
is speaking of skin only in this verse and no other organs, indicating again
the primacy of skin in regards to pain.
5.
According
to Science, if skin is roasted (Third and Fourth-degree burns) then it
obliterates all pain receptors, meaning “NO PAIN”. As the verse says so, “as often as their skins are roasted
through”. Purporting a
severe char, like a third-degree or fourth-degree burn where all the pain
receptors are scorched and patients usually do not suffer any pain. (Taken from:
http://www.burnfree.com/p_pages.asp?page=burncare#thirddegree)
6.
Why
Allah explicitly declared the word “roasted”? Afterwards, switch of a skin with
a fresh one so that the pain re-originates. Obviously, He can easily formulate the
skin so that it will not be roasted in hell, can’t He do that? Likewise, He can
also provide a skin that just burns over and over again without even melting, having
immense and endless pain. No, but it seems that Allah is going out of His way
by making a skin to be “roasted” first, and then “replaced”, why? Why,
“replace” doesn’t it mean that pain receptors are destroyed when skin is
roasted and there is no pain at all; in turn, there is a need for a fresh skin.
And why a “fresh” one? Isn’t this word “fresh” depicting of fresh pain
receptors on a fresh skin. Surely there is some logic and science in this verse
which people have found out in recent years.
7.
In this
whole verse both the “skin” & “pain” are used twice in respect to each
other, surely inviting intellects and opening up a window of research in the
particular relation. Besides skin is associated with sensitivity because it
contains the majority of nerve endings causing pain when stimulate.
8.
As I
have proved; in no ways this verse is going against science and surely it is a
miracle of Quran.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Professor Thagada Shaun, who is the head….
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp6.htm)
…they will not
accept the truth.
Answer:
“Professor Thagada Shaun must be a fool”
Readers! All along in his arguments Ali Sina was trying to allege Dr. Maurice
Bucaille and Dr. Keith Moore of not reverting to Islam after when they claimed
Quran to be the word of Allah and Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) as a
true messenger of Allah. Now when he finds one Scientist who reverted to Islam
after reading the Quran, he is calling him a “FOOL”. Heaven knows what makes Ali
Sina happy.
“Heaven knows if such an idiot
actually exists or he is a fabrication of Muslim wishful thinking”. And
now Professor Thagada Shaun besides being a fool he is an idiot as well. Wow!
Really Ali Sina is increasing our knowledge in getting to know Professor.
Readers! You tell me that who is an idiot all along in this discussion.
Readers! Please find below the
testimony (video) of Dr. Tejatat Tejasen, chairman of the Department of Anatomy
at
(http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-h.htm)
“There are many more authentic
doctors and professors born and raised in Islam who reject this cult and have
left it. They find Islam and the Quran utterly stupid. Why not listen to them?”
Why should we pay attention to them? They ought to be same as Ali Sina, with no
common sense at all and self-make asinine fairytales. Does he consider Christians,
Hindus, and Buddhists etc, take note of these people who abscond from their
respective religions and initiate hatred against it? If someone departs from Ali
Sina’s “Cult of Golden Rule” of which it seems he is a prophet, is he going to
give him any credence? However, in the case of Ali Sina, as being a Muslim, I
have cross-checked every grimy detail he has posted in his article and I have found
every word of his a “BIG LIE” and him as hypocrite, charlatan and fraud. A Person
similar to Ali Sina who is, on one hand, lying to his own family and on the
other hand preaching “TRUTH” to mankind, how honest is he going to be for populace.
He has already set up himself as an example and it will be remain as a Dark
Stain on his personality forever.
Readers! It is always very big news for me when someone leaves Islam
because I never thought of someone leaving such a beautiful religion. However I
have broadened my intellect now as I have found out that there are some fools &
stupid in every religion. When I started reading Ali Sina’s articles on his
website, they made me very upset at first, and I started having doubts in my
faith. Then I thought of checking his credence of what ever he is writing; is it
actually correct or not. And as I thought, every thing he wrote on his website
is incorrect and full of lies. Then I repent to Allah for having slightest of
doubts in my faith.
Apart from this I should really thank him for making me firm on my
faith. One of the reasons is Ali Sina that makes my belief on Islam stiffer and
sterner more and more, as I always verify his claims from other sources as well
and every time I found them bogus. Thank you Ali Sina, I will not ask him to
close down his site as it is helping me increasing my knowledge of religion and
it is really helping me out in understanding Islam correctly and
comprehensively.
Ad Hominem in the Quran
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Quran calls such people…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…neither will they
understand.’
Answer:
I have already provided details, proofs, and evidences of
what ever I have refuted till now. I will rest my case with Readers and they will
judge now who fits “Ad Hominem” fallacy. All along in his article, Ali Sina has
provided so many things and they all fit in this fallacy perfectly.
Regarding all other crap he has
written, NO EVIDENCE again from him.
The Quran vs. the Bible
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) And regarding the other parts of…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…as well as
innumerable scientific errors.
Answer:
Ali Sina said, “However since the thinking Christians
and Jews know that the Bible is not the verbatim word of God, but stories
written by men who allegedly were inspired but nonetheless fallible, they take
their scriptures with a grain of salt. This allows them to adapt to the
changing time and let their intelligence be their guide”. How many “thinking”
Christians and Jews know that the Bible is not the verbatim word of God? Are
these “thinking” Christians and Jews educating their congregation as well that
Bible is not the verbatim word of God? I want Ali Sina to provide me evidence
where a Christian or a Jew makes such a statement in public. I also want Pope
Benedict to utter such statement on television. If Pope cannot, then he is not
a “thinking” Christian and surely does not belong to a “living” religion but to
a dead one (as per rule set by Ali Sina).
The difference between a Muslim faith
and Christian or Jew faith is that the “thinking” Muslim and a common Muslim
both believe Quran to be the verbatim word of Allah, so we do not have to lie
and also we do not have double standards. According to Ali Sina, “thinking”
Christians and Jews do not believe Bible as a word of God, but common people
they do. Does he mean these “thinking” Christians and Jews are liars? We
Muslims dare these “thinking” Christians or Jews to make such a statement in
public and on Television.
Readers! Every Christian and Jew is
unique, whenever you try to corner them using their own terminologies from Bible;
they always find a way out by uttering “I do not believe in this”, “I do not
believe in that”. Same thing with Ali Sina as well, I have read one of his
debates where he did somewhat similar. Like for example, his debate with Yamin
Zakaria where in every rebuttal he was giving a new terminology of “Golden
Rule. And also he did not post the full debate on his website as was truly done
by Yamin Zakaria. The debate is over here:
http://www.iiop.org/MDebate.php?recordID=2
Readers! Afterwards “REVEREND” Ali Sina
posted a verse from Bible from John Chapter 16 verse 13, and he interpreted the
phrase “Spirit of truth” to “new age of enlightenment”.
“I
have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now”. (John
16:12)
“Howbeit
when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he
shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
and he will shew you things to come.” (John 16:13)
Ali Sina said, “The spirit of
truth has come. It is the new age of enlightenment. The gates of knowledge and
understanding are flung open and new truths are being revealed every day”.
Readers! This is again a “BIG LIE”. No where in the annotations of Bible the
“Spirit of truth” is deciphered as “new age of enlightenment”. Christians
interpret “Spirit of truth” as “Holy Spirit”, as the Greek word for “spirit” is
“Pneuma” in John 16:13 and it is the same word that has been used in
several other places for “Holy Ghost” i.e. John 1:33, 7:39, 14:26, 20:22 and
million other places in the Bible. If Christians still stick to the notion that
this word can also be interpreted as “new age of enlightenment” then they are untruthful.
Why Christian scholars and Bible thumpers never say that? Here is the fact.
Readers! If you profoundly scrutinize the verse of John 16:13, you can
spot that the pronoun used for the “Holy Spirit” is “he” and it
is been used SIX times in the same verse. You will not find a single verse in
the whole Bible where you will come across SIX or more pronouns in the same
verse for the same person. And no where in the whole Bible “Holy Ghost” ever
called by masculine pronoun “he”, but always by the word “spirit” (because it
is neutral and has no gender). Therefore, this verse is neither talking about
“Holy Ghost” nor about “Holy Spirit”; however it is talking about a man of God
who will come and guide people into truth. “New age of enlightenment” is out of
question, this is just an interpretation of adolescent Ali Sina who never thinks
before saying something, just like kids.
If Christians are still not comply with this evidence then they have
to justify Muslims that what new teachings this “Holy Spirit” has given to them
in 2000 years? In Context, in John 16:12 Jesus is saying that he has so many
things to say but Jews cannot bear them now and in the next verse he said that
a man will come (as I have proven above that “Holy Spirit” is actually a “Holy
Man”) and he will guide you into all truth and will show you new things which
Jesus failed to show them because Jews were not competent enough. Christians
have to show us what new things were introduced by their “Holy Spirit”? What
new laws it has brought to them?
Readers! Surely this verse is falsely interpreted by Ali Sina. Jesus
was actually speaking about Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), that he will
come and will guide whole humanity into all truth and shall give you new
things. There is no other way Ali Sina and Christians can interpret this verse
other than what Muslims have interpreted.
Rests of Ali Sina’s comments are just only implication of his
daydreaming. I advise him to put forth the “EVIDENCE” otherwise just shut his foul
mouth.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) if there are scientific points…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…Can you attribute
this to God?
Answer:
There are no unscientific portions in the Quran as I have
mentioned above and will be doing later in this document insha Allah. By
producing smeared terminologies with no solid “EVIDENCE” in hand, Ali Sina
thinks that he disproved Quran. Let readers be the judge.
Ali Sina:
Purpose of my presentation on…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…I do apologize in
advance.
Answer:
“Christians have been taking
criticisms for a long time and if those criticisms were correct, they have
changed their ways and beliefs. That is why I call Christianity a living faith
and Islam a dead and fossilized faith”. Ali Sina is ignorant of history. What about 4th
century Emperor Constantine who executed 3000 Christians? What about “Mark of
Arethusa” and “Cyrill of Heliopolis” who were famous as “temple destroyers”?
What about Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) who executed even children
who were playing with remains of pagan statues? What about Crusaders? Every
religion has some black sheep, so, it is inane to point to only one religion
and leaving others. I can give loads of accounts on this subject; rather I will
keep it for some other time under some other topic. For a quick review of
Christians atrocities and it is just a counter reply to Ali Sina’s arguments,
you can visit the following site:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
(It is a Christian site)
Well it is a very good excuse from him
that “Christians have been taking criticisms for a long time and if those
criticisms were correct, they have changed their ways and beliefs”. Readers!
Damage was already done by them and now they are ready to change themselves;
this is hypocrisy. All those atrocities mentioned by Ali Sina are the concrete teachings
of Bible only, and I can provide the evidences if requested. This is actually
what their Bible advocates and they can certainly align their mayhems as well
by quoting their own scriptures. I am no where talking OUT OF CONTEXT, I am not
like Ali Sina. What ever so-called Muslims are doing or they had done in the
past cannot be verified from Quran but this is their own misinterpretation and
misunderstanding of the Holy Scriptures only and nothing to do with the teachings
of Quran. If Ali Sina can quote me any verse from Quran which goes against
humanity, then I will definitely clarify the misconception. And I am very much sure
that he will come up with some verses but actually he would be quoting OUT OF
CONTEXT.
At
least, Dr. Naik had excused Christians prior, if they would feel hurt after his
presentation. Doctor is not a callous person like Ali Sina whereby he mars the
feelings of Muslims by mocking Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him) who we
revere so much, and he never undergoes remorse. Ali Sina, a stupid and twisted atheist,
in his own dogma he has proven himself nastiest than non-Muslim cynics.
Ali Sina:
The purpose is only to point…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…refute me and
prove me wrong?
Answer:
Readers! I will put a
side all of Ali Sina’s gibberish writings except this one where he said, “Why instead don’t you exert an effort to
refute me and prove me wrong?”
I challenge him that he cannot even disprove an apprentice like me, thus put aside
thinking about having a debate with a connoisseur like Dr. Zakir Naik. First he
has to confront me then loom to experts.
Readers!
I would like you to go through his letter to Dr. Zakir Naik posted in his website
“The Challenge to debate with Dr. Zakir Naik”. I will definitely insha Allah
will reply to this letter fully later. I will just retort in short pertaining
to this letter, where he furnishes hits of his web site and he weigh against the
web site of Dr. Zakir Naik and says that his site is 12 times and some place he
said 5 times popular than Doctor’s, such a brainless chap Ali Sina is,
completely forgetting that Dr. Zakir Naik comes on Television and he is trillion
times more popular than him. There are more people on Earth knowing Dr. Zakir
Naik than him. Therefore, just swanking on web site hits is insanity and nothing
at all. He again portrayed himself a harebrained; hiding himself in the mask of
Internet and calling himself popular on the other hand.
Letter
says, “The reason I wrote this invitation, was not to debate with
Dr. Naik. I knew already Dr. Naik would not accept. He is wise enough to
protect his reputation.” Oh such a brawny statement from Ali Sina.
Readers! Ali Sina is shielding himself over here from being debased as he knew
that Dr. Zakir Naik will never ever contest him on his provided conditions. So
he just took an advantage of this situation and safeguards his standing.
Letter
says, “Dr. Naik should be able to read his emails no matter which
part of the world he is. Being abroad, is no more an excuse in this age of the
Internet.” I assume Doctor must have seen Ali Sina’s email and just scored through it
at once considering not worth responding. Scores of people sent emails to
Doctor everyday and it is very arduous to riposte every email when you are
traveling. You only react to very imperative emails. It comes about to me as
well while I travel. There are instances where I have to thrust aside some
emails because of my work load. Similarly, people like Dr. Zakir Naik keep staff
to read his emails as it is habitual for the people who are much occupied or
who travel a lot. This is the grounds that Ali Sina is getting emails from IRF
Admin Team in response, since Dr. Zakir Naik is not reading them. Or may be Ali
Sina thought that he has befall to be very famed now, and right after receiving
his email, IRF Team will indeed compel to make an urgent call to Dr. Zakir Naik
to reply to his email as soon as possible or otherwise it will be catastrophe
in Islamic World. I would advise Ali Sina to stop day dreaming. He is not worth
a thing.
Letter
says, “
I
just want to add one more thing, if Ali Sina is so “zealous” to have a debate
with Dr. Zakir Naik then why does not he fulfill Doctor’s conditions and come
in public. Not in writing, but only in public. Dare to come in crowd and bang
Dr. Zakir Naik to grounds, as he wishes. Satisfy Doctor’s conditions and this
will be Ali Sina’s first attack in proving him wrong. Knowing Ali Sina very
well, he will never make such a gaffe to appear in public. I can sense a beefy coward
and chicken in him.
Letter
says, “Not a single person has won the debates with me, not because
I am a highly skilled debater, but because I debate from the position of
strength. It is easy to win when you speak the truth and your opponent does
not.” Oh yeah! The same way Ali Sina had his “victory” over Yamin Zakaria.
Readers! I have not read his debate with Grand Ayotallah Montazeri and others,
but I have known this daft Ali Sina by reading his debate with Yamin Zakaria. I
have found him a liar, hypocrite and swindler. By reading his debates with
others, what else good it will give me, when he just proved himself a madcap in
this particular one. He showed himself an impostor at first, so he will remain the
same afterwards. I will urge readers to look at his debate with Yamin Zakaria.
Do not read this debate on his site as he has not posted the debate from tip to
toe. The debate is over here:
http://www.iiop.org/MDebate.php?recordID=2
Letter
says, “He would say anything and would propose unreasonable conditions
such as televised meeting with 10,000 audience to avoid debating with me.” Let me remind Ali
Sina, that it is he who desires to have a debate with Dr. Zakir Naik. He is
only giving excuses that Muslims are coercing him to have a debate with Doctor.
If he is so “zealous” to have a success over Dr. Zakir Naik then comply with his
conditions?
Letter
says, “As for face to face debate in front of camera or in public
places, I consider it theatrics and have no desire for that”. Then similar
decree should be valid for Dr. Zakir Naik as well, Doctor too thinks that
debating on Internet has no value and he considers it waste of time and has no longing
for that. Over here Ali Sina is purely shunning Dr. Zakir Naik by saying that
television is not an apt medium for such encounters. In his own doctrine,
whatsoever Ali Sina imagines and verbalizes is “RIGHT” and what ever he is anxious
and scares of is “WRONG”. This is a very upright way of eluding confronts.
Letter
says, “It is time consuming, expensive and what can you say in just
two hours? Or, actually one, because half of the time is allotted to your
opponent”. Ali Sina is giving excuses over here, he can easily gather up a matter
that he wants to converse in one hour. Or he can concur upon a format with Dr. Zakir
Naik and can have three hours. Or if he dares not to come in public then he can
send one of his disciples (Cult of Golden Rule) who is good in speech. In this
way he can remain hiding in his den as well and can deliver his message too. He
can also put his $50,000 for this cause.
I probably
heard Dr. Zakir Naik saying that he could go on delivering speech for a whole
day, such an endurance he has. I believed him and I am sure that he will keep
his words as well. Problem solved for Ali Sina, as he does not have to wrap up
his speech in very few hours and he can go on for half a day and rest can be
utilized by Dr. Naik. Contact Dr. Naik and we will see what he comes up with.
Letter
says, “Also my doctors have advised me to stay away from any public
and televised meetings. They say with my condition, a public meeting with
Muslims is extremely dangerous for my health.” Oh yeah! They must have sensed a coward and chicken in Ali Sina. And
there is no doctor on the face of the Earth who can cure a person who is
“chicken”.
One place in letter Ali Sina has
offered Doctor $50,000. If this debate ever happened, I am very much sure that
after loosing it, he is not going to pay $50,000 as he is an individual who is
lying to his own family, so he can lie to any one. And this is one of his biggest
deceit and nothing at all.
Readers! The scenario between Ali Sina
and Dr. Zakir Naik is that he wanted Doctor to have a debate with him, but only
on his provided conditions to have it in writing only. Now, Doctor “afraid of
being a looser” he denied his conditions and in turn put up his requirements to
have a televised debate. Ali Sina also did not agree on his conditions and afterwards
made a dim-witted claim that it was Doctor who was averting him, completely and
deliberately overlooked that he had also denied Doctor’s conditions and avoided
Doctor on the other hand. This is pure lunacy from Ali Sina.
Readers! You must have known Ali Sina
by now after reading this document that how his intellect works when it comes
to Holy Scriptures. And you must be sure now that besides not worth reading, he
is not even worth responding. He is just only a game for apprentice like me.
Let me handle him.
Creation of the Universe in the Quran
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) As Jesus Christ,
(Peace be upon him) said…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…This book as a book of God.
Answer:
Quranic verses in
question:
“SAY:
Would you indeed deny Him who has created the earth in two aeons? And do you
claim that there is any power that could rival Him, the Sustainer of all the
worlds?” (Quran 41:9)
“For
He [it is who, after creating the earth,] placed firm mountains on it,
[towering] above its surface, and bestowed [so many] blessings on it, and
equitably apportioned its means of subsistence to all who would seek it: [and
all this He created] in four aeons.” (Quran 41:10)
“And
He [it is who] applied His design to the skies, which were [yet but] smoke; and
He [it is who] said to them and to the earth, “Come [into being], both of you,
willingly or unwillingly!” - to which both responded, “We do come in
obedience.” (Quran 41:11)
“And
He [it is who] decreed that they become seven heavens in two aeons, and
imparted unto each heaven its function. And We adorned the skies nearest to the
earth with lights, and made them secure: such is the ordaining of the Almighty,
the All-Knowing.” (Quran 41:12)
Readers! No where in the Quran a 24 hours
day is mentioned in regards to creation of this universe. Quran says “ayyam”
and does not articulate day and night or morning and evening just like Bible.
Ali
Sina said, “
Ali Sina asked why a double standard, I am
asking why should not be a double standard. Again this is another proof that
Quran was not plagiarized from Bible. Readers! Please judge now that whose mind
is under par and bereft of fairness and common sense. Ali Sina is such a sightless
in his intellect that he is not even able to comprehend the distinction between
Quran and Bible. It seems that he has a dilemma in acknowledging why Quran
didn’t state days as 24-hours as it is declared in the Bible.
The
word “yawm”, commonly translated as “day” but rendered as “aeon” and is
used in Arabic to denote any period, whether extremely long (“aeon”) or
extremely short (“moment”). Its application to an earthly day of 24-hours is
only one of its many connotations.
Ali
Sina said, “No scientist has ever said that the
universe has been created in six phases”. Yes, but no
scientist has never “DENIED” that universe can not be created in six long
periods. I want Ali Sina to afford an established fact where scientists say
that Earth cannot be created in six very long periods.
Six or eight days of creation?
41:9 |
Allah has created the earth in “TWO DAYS” |
2 |
|
41:10 |
He created mountains and all other things in “FOUR DAYS” |
4 |
|
41:11 |
Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky and
said to it and earth for their obedience |
0 |
|
41:12 |
So He completed them as seven firmaments in “TWO DAYS” |
0 |
|
|
TOTAL DAYS OF CREATION |
6 |
|
Let’s
analyze Quranic verse 41:11, it has a word “Moreover” in its translation, and
meaning is:
1. Furthermore
2. In addition
3. Besides
4. Also
5. Additionally
6. Likewise
Subsequently, Quranic verse 41:12 is starting with a
word “So” which has a meaning of:
1. Consequently
2. As a result
3. Thus
4. Therefore
5. Subsequently
6. Accordingly
7. Hence
Readers! The creation of earth mentioned
in Quranic verse 41:9 is also mentioned in Quranic verse 41:12 in conjunction with
the creation of sky, so there are actually two accounts depicting the same
process in Quran. Besides creating earth in Quranic verse 41:9 and Quranic
verse 41:12 in TWO days, Allah has also created sky in the same TWO days when
he created earth as mentioned in Quranic verse 41:11 and 41:12. In short, Allah
took TWO days in the creation of earth and sky and further FOUR days in
creating mountains and other nourishments, so total of six days. Problem
solved.
If you look at it another way, how can earth
and sky be created after creating mountains and other nourishments? This is
contradiction, however, it is removed by looking at the words “Moreover” in
41:11 and “So” in 41:12 which clearly insinuate that creation of earth and sky is
a part of TWO DAYS creation. So the total comes to six days.
TWO days mentioned in Quranic verse 41:9
are the same TWO days that are mentioned in Quranic verse 41:12. They actually
are not adding up, but Allah is mentioning the same account in two different places.
And regarding night as a veil over and
earth, I am perplexed what Ali Sina is speaking about. It seems like he was not
able to put forth his testimony of “six days creation theory” properly, and to conceal
this set back he just started blabbering.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Point No.2 –
Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…Quran is wrong again.
Answer:
Quranic verse in
question:
“So He completed them as seven firmaments
in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We
adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the
Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.” (Quran 41:12)
Readers! Regarding
six-day creation theory, I have already refuted Ali Sina above. Let’s speak
about seven firmaments of which it seems he has a quandary with.
Ali
Sina said, “Not only Muhammed believed that the sky has
seven layers, which is ludicrous, he also believed that the earth has seven
layers too.” Quranic verse he posted:
“Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments
and of the earth a similar number.” (Quran 65:12)
Readers! Let’s scrutinize
the above mention verse with Science and see what scientists have to say
regarding this matter. Above in the discussion, Ali Sina had provided school
websites to prop up his perverted intellect regarding “mountains have roots”.
This time I will also provide a testimony from children school’s website just
to inform him that this information is from school level and it is an ignominy that
it is not known by him. Yet substantiating my doubt again that he never
attended a school.
“Earth has seven layers the inner core, outer core,
D layer, lower mantle, transition region, shallow mantle, and crust.” (Taken
from: http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:qIriR03AA8kJ:library.norwoodschool.org/science/planets02/spring03/Planet_Projects_spring03/Earth%2520Leah.ppt+%22earth+has+seven+layers%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=11)
Readers! Quran
also speaks about seven layers of sky which we can interpret as seven layers of
atmosphere. Here are they: you can get more details on Internet regarding these
layers.
1. Troposphere
2. Stratosphere
3. Ozonosphere
4. Mesosphere
5. Thermosphere
6. Exosphere
7. Ionosphere
Therefore, Quran is accurate in all terms
when it speaks about seven layers of earth and sky.
I think only one testimony is enough for Ali
Sina to show him fallacious. Readers! For more information on earth and sky
having seven layers, you can search on Internet.
Ali Sina presented pagan myths in his argument
and said, “they thought that the Earth is flat and is
located at the center of the Universe which consisted of solar system only.
They believed that the Sun and the Moon along with Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus
and Mercury that are the seven known objects of the heaven are deities”. Afterwards, he
linked the idea of seven planets to the layers of heaven mentioned in Quran.
Readers! Quranic verse 41:12 clearly states following:
1.
Allah has completed them as seven firmaments.
2.
He assigned to each heaven its duty and command.
3.
Allah adorned the lower heaven with lights.
It is apparent by reading Quranic verse
41:12 that Allah has formed seven heavens and He allocated each heaven its duty
and command, afterward He bejeweled the “LOWER HEAVEN” with lights. Readers! You
put in the picture for me; is Allah speaking about planting lights on a “lower planet”
or “lower sky” in this particular Quranic verse. Supposedly if people at the
time of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) believed seven planets as seven
heavens, however they must have crushed away this idea by an implication of
common sense that how can lights be fixed on a planet. As per Ali Sina early
people knew about seven planets. Yes, but they did not have a single stupidest picture
of having “lights” on a “lower planet” as Ali Sina has. Then Ali Sina said each
planet occupied a crystal sphere and stars were attached to lower sphere. What
sphere? Quran says that the lights were there to adorn the lower heaven, and
not the sphere. Now it’s been proved that “seven heavens” mentioned in Quran
are not the actually the “seven planets” mentioned by bemused Ali Sina.
Readers! Just read out the story of pagan myths by Ali Sina, and you will see
how a big joker he is.
Regarding Quranic verse 65:12 which is
speaking about seven layers of Earth and I want to ask Ali Sina is Quran again
speaking about “seven planets” inside the “Earth”? This is the same interpretation
he gave for “seven heavens” as “seven planets” in his argument which is
ludicrous in itself. Therefore, the idea of pagan myths is as outlandish as Ali
Sina is.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Further, the,
Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…Don’t we have enough already?
Answer:
Readers! I have
already proved above that the Universe was created in six long periods
according to Quran. Regarding the absurdity that is mentioned by Ali Sina, I
have already refuted that. Earth and sky were formed in chorus and this
testimony can be verified from Quran and also it is mentioned above. I am not
going to repeat everything here again.
Ali
Sina said, “Furthermore, is this an accurate account of
Big Bang and the creation of Universe?” He has to provide an accurate
account of Big Bang and the creation of Universe. I have already said much
about both the theories above.
Ali
Sina said, “Every school child knows that”. Readers! Isn’t
it derisory adequate that Ali Sina is speaking of school?
Ali
Sina said, “According to Quran the Earth is created
first and the sky next”. I want him to show me a verse from Quran where it
says that Earth is created “FIRST” and then sky “SECOND”. I am not going to consent
to his erroneous and warped allusions. Readers! Quran in verse 41:9 is explicitly
speaking about Earth and absolutely not speaking about sky at all. Similarly,
Quranic verses 41:11 & 41:12 are speaking about creation of both Earth and
Sky. And I have already proved above that Quranic verse 41:9 and 41:12 are two distinct
accounts of the identical process in Quran in regards to the creation of “EARTH
ONLY”. Regarding creation of sky, Allah has already cited the process in
Quranic verse 41:11 and 41:12 in conjunction with the creation of Earth. This
also proves that Earth and Sky were created, in tandem.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Point No..4,
Genesis, Ch No.1 Verses 9to 13 says…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm
…Quran that rehashed this fairytale.
Answer:
Ali Sina is just
blabbering over here with “NO EVIDENCE” again.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Point No. 5, the
Bible says in Genesis, Ch No. 1…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…see the same error in the Quran?
Answer:
Readers! Please
refer to my post where I have proved the creation of Universe in six long
periods.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Point No. 6, that
the Bible says in Genesis, Ch No. 1…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…We will discuss that later.
Answer
Readers! I will also discuss that
later.
Length of Days of Creation
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) There are certain
people who try and reconciliate…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…the same difficulty exists also in the Quran.
Anwer:
Ali Sina said, “the sun and the moon are created in the 7th and 8th
day”. Readers! There are no 7th and 8th days in Quran
regarding creation of Universe. Again refer to my earlier posts.
Contradictions in the Bible and the Quran
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Regarding the
concept of Earth, there are various…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…that it equal to 50,000 years.
Answer:
Readers! Again
this particular contradiction is not related to the subject. However, I will
retort in short.
1000 years:
Quranic
verses in question:
“Yet they ask thee to hasten on the
Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight
of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.” (Quran 22:47)
“He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to
the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space
whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning.” (Quran 32:5)
Readers!
Both these verses account 1000 years as a definite article in respect to humans
ONLY. There is no ambiguity in both of these verses. Allah is speaking of human
and human years in both of these verses devoid of speaking about angels, ghosts,
spooks or spirits.
50,000 years:
Quranic
verse in question:
“The angels and the spirit ascend unto him
in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years” (Quran 70:4)
Readers!
In this precise verse Allah is speaking about angels and spirits and certainly
“NOT ABOUT HUMANS”. And surely time can be different for spiritual beings. So a
day measures up to 50,000 years in this verse is particularly for the angels
and spirits.
Readers!
You be the arbitrator now, when Quran verbalizes about human years on TWO
ACCOUNTS (22:47 & 32:5), then there is no incongruity as both the accounts
say 1000 human years and are consistent in every sense. However, when Quran articulates
spirits and angels in conjunction with 50,000 years, here Ali Sina found it paradox.
Such a dumb head he has.
I can
also prove by other means but I will do it later. For more information you can search
for this particular “contradiction” on Internet, much has already been
available there.
Is Sky a Dome?
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Regarding ‘the
Heavens’, the Bible says in Job…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp7.htm)
…the knowledge of created things ends.
Answer:
Readers! If you
read this post of Ali Sina, you will certainly be sure of his bizarre
intellectual fitness.
Ali
Sina said, “In the verses 41:9-12 that we already
discussed, Muhammad says that after creating the earth and putting in it the
mountains so it does not shake with people and covering it with vegetation then
he erected the sky”. Readers! Lets read the all these verses again from
four different translators.
|
M. Asad |
Yusuf Ali |
Picktall |
Shakir |
41:9 |
SAY:
“Would you indeed deny Him who has created the earth in two aeons? And do you
claim that there is any power that could rival Him, the Sustainer of all the
worlds?” |
Say:
Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join
equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. |
Say (O
Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the
earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the
Lord of the Worlds. |
Say:
What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods,
and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds. |
41:10 |
For He
[it is who, after creating the earth,] placed firm mountains on it,
[towering] above its surface, and bestowed [so many] blessings on it, and
equitably apportioned its means of subsistence to all who would seek it: [and
all this He created] in four aeons. |
He set
on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed
blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them
nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs
of) those who seek (Sustenance). |
He
placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured
therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask; |
And He
made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made
therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers. |
41:11 |
And He
[it is who] applied His design to the skies, which were [yet but] smoke; and
He [it is who] said to them and to the earth, “Come [into being], both of
you, willingly or unwillingly!” - to which both responded, “We do come in
obedience.” |
Moreover
He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to
it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly."
They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience." |
Then
turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the
earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient. |
Then
He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to
the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come
willingly. |
41:12 |
And He
[it is who] decreed that they become seven heavens in two aeons, and imparted
unto each heaven its function. And We adorned the skies nearest to the earth
with lights, and made them secure: such is the ordaining of the Almighty, the
All-Knowing. |
So He
completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each
heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and
(provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might,
Full of Knowledge. |
Then
He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its
mandate; and we decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it
inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower. |
So He
ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its
affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and (made it) to
guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the Knowing. |
Ali
Sina said, “He erected the sky”, but I couldn’t locate
this in these verses. Where do these verses say that Allah has “erected” the sky?
Readers! As you come across one of his lies again.
Ali
Sina said, “The picture we get here is that the sky is
like a dome”. Yes, although with a slight alteration in the meaning; as it is an imperceptible
dome or an empty ground, though it is still a vacant medium for planets,
clouds, Sun, Moon etc. Ali Sina has to enlighten me as where these planets and
other firmaments are then placed if there is no dome? There ought to be some
place, medium, ground, field or dome for such things. Such a place is sky which
is an invisible dome for firmaments.
Ali
Sina said, “First the foundation which is the earth is
built and once it is finished Allah turns to the sky and lifts it up, as if it
was a tent, and adorns it with stars”. I dare him to show me any verse
from Quran where it states that Allah “lifted up” sky and made Earth its “foundation”.
Readers! You can see another lie from him. I am not going to accept his abnormal
representation of his underhanded mind.
Ali
Sina said, “002:022 syas that the sky is bana
(Arabic). While in reality sky is just and empty space”. Then he presented
some translations where bana is translated as “canopy”, which he thinks
is a wrong portrayal of sky. Lets see what “COLUMBIA ELECTRONIC ENCYCLOPEDIA”
published by Columbia University Press has to say about it.
“Sky, apparent dome over the
earth, background of the clouds, sun, moon and stars.” (Taken from: http://www.answers.com/topic/sky)
Readers!
Above mentioned excerpt is evidently declaring sky as a “dome” upon earth. However,
they are also making the notion sterner by saying “apparent dome”; however
Quran and Ali Sina only cited “dome”. Be certain that this Encyclopedia is not
written by Muslims and it is not published by them as well. Therefore, who
should I have faith in; “ENCYCLOPEDIA by Columbia University Press” or “PSYCHOPEDIA
by Ali Sina”?
Readers!
I will present a few additional evidences concerning sky as canopy or dome from
the words of Science.
From MSN Encarta Encyclopedia:
“Region above Earth”
(Taken from: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=sky&Submit2=Go)
From Wikipedia Encyclopedia:
“In the field of astronomy, the sky is also called
the celestial sphere. This is an imaginary dome where the
sun, stars, planets, and the moon are seen to be traveling.” (Take from: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/sky)
From Encyclopedia Britannica:
“The upper atmosphere or expanse of space that
constitutes an apparent great vault or arch over the
earth”. (Take from: http://www.britannica.com/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sky&query=sky)
Readers!
Ali Sina has multiple problems to defy now, despite disproving Quran, he has to
counteract above mentioned bona fide sources as well, since they are in accordance
with Quran in calling “sky as a dome”. Poor Ali Sina, now he has to come up
with some other self-created deformed terminologies in rebuttal.
Regarding
Islamic Cosmology, he said “it was understood from Quran and Hadiths”, again this whole
doctrine intimates his day dreaming. A person if eats too much he perceives
such kind of dreams. The whole story is not authentic and he has once again
provided “NO EVIDENCE” of such theory. He is just linking whatever suits his
minuscule mind to Islam. As for “mountains as pegs”, I have already replied to
this subject earlier in this document.
Ali
Sina said, “The versed 13.2 and 31.10 do not contradict
the Bible. They only state the obvious that these alleged pillars holding the
sky in place cannot be seen”. Readers! Ali Sina is saying that Quran is
not contradicting Bible, but just a slight disparity that the pillars in Quran
are unseen. I am posting here the translations of both the verses and let’s see
if they speak about any “unseen pillars”.
“Allah is He Who raised the heavens without
any pillars that ye can see;” (Quran 13:2)
“He created the heavens without any pillars
that ye can see;” (Quran 31:10)
Readers! As you
can see that Quran is denying the fact that heaven have got pillars; however,
Ali Sina construed that heavens have got “unseen pillars” according to Quran. He
also said that Quran is in harmony with the Bible, but with just a slight
difference that Quran connotes “unseen” pillars. Arabic word used in these
verses is “bighayer” meaning “without” and the Arabic words for “unseen”
or “invisible” are خفى, غئر مرئ but they are not
in the Quran’s Arabic text. I do not know how far Ali Sina can go in deceiving
people. The correct understanding of these particular verses is that Allah
affirms that there are no pillars holding sky, but in the latter part of the
verses where Allah says “that ye can see”, over here He is addressing
to humans that they themselves can also see the heavens without pillars. I hope
readers can comprehend this narration.
I consent
that Islamic scholars had argued over the idea of “unseen pillars” whether they
subsist or not, however, no one was persuaded. You can also comprehend the
notion of pillars as Allah’s invariable and imperceptible Power which is not
only seizing and keeping each and everyone of these colossal bodies including
the Earth we inhabit, in their apposite spaces and trajectories but also does
not let any collision take place between them.
Ali
Sina said, “If the dome of heaven is raised above the
earth supported by invisible pillars, what supports the earth?” No pillars for the
heaven, likewise no pillars for the Earth too. Period! It’s Allah’s prodigious brawn
that keeping them perched devoid of any support.
Readers!
Concerning all other bits and pieces by Ali Sina in his argument, like, some
hadiths from Jami-Al-Tirmidhi, Islamic Cosmology, about the credence of Yusuf
Ali are all out of this subject and just the fabrication of his day-dreaming. I
may be reply under some other topic insha Allah.
Poisonous Plants
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) In the field of
‘Diet and Nutrition’ let’s analyze…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp8.htm)
…Allah have achieved? Nothing!
Answer:
Genesis
Chapter 1 verse 29:
“Then God said, “I give
you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that
has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.”
Readers!
At the outset, the dilemma with above-mentioned verse is that this verse is utilizing
very compelling word “every” and its synonyms are “each” and “all”, enclosing the
whole lot that is referenced in this verse concerning diet and nutrition.
Secondly, it is not revealing anything with reference to medicine, on the
contrary meticulously insisting on “food” only. This way we can construe that
this verse is only enunciating about “food” only and not medicine. Let’s
scrutinize other verses from the Bible speaking about “food”.
“And to all the beasts of
the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the
ground – everything that has the breath of life in it – I give every green
plant for food. And it was so”. (Genesis 1:30)
“And the LORD God made all
kinds of trees grow out of the ground – trees that were pleasing to the eye and
good for food. (Genesis 2:9)
“Everything that lives and
moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you
everything.” (Genesis 9:3)
Readers! To begin with, as you can spot that every
verse of the Bible is only discoursing about “food” and no medicine at all; and
there is not a single implication of healing or cure mentioned except only filling
up your appetite. Secondly, I do not come across any account in the Bible that
forbids certain plants as food in context and as a whole. There are accounts
only forbidding certain animals. And Dr. Zakir Naik ingeniously used only this
particular verse of Genesis about plants as a supportive statement. If forbidden
plants are not mentioned and God of Bible is not “disallowing” people to take
every plant and every fruit, then; but naturally He is “allowing” people to
take poisonous plants and fruits as well to fill up the tummy. Please be sure
as I have not quoted anything out of context.
Readers!
If you look at the word used in original text of Hebrew in Genesis 1:29 for
“food” is “oklah” and Hebrew word for “cure” or “healing” is “marpe’”,
“rapha’” or “gahah” which is not mentioned in this particular
verse. Hebrew word for medicine is “gehah”, “R@phu’ah” or “T@ruwphah”
which is also not included in this particular verse. And according to Bible
translators, the Hebrew word “oklah” is defined as “food”, “eating” or
“object of devouring”. The only figurative definition provided by Bible
translators pertaining to “oklah” is “by wild beasts” and “of judgment”
and that’s all. Therefore, it is illogical to say that God of Bible was also
speaking about cure, healing or medicine in figurative sense.
If Ali Sina can
find me any verse from Bible speaking of forbidden plants and fruits except
that of Adam and Eve, then I will apologize and shall take my words back. Otherwise
his implications regarding plants used as medicine for healing or cure in the
Bible are just as incongruous as he is.
Ali
Sina said, “The poisonous plants can have medicinal
benefits.” Yes, I am in agreement with that and it is a general saying that “there
is no plant that cannot be used medicinally, because God has given healing
properties, making a healer of each plant”. However, the glitch is that
Bible doesn’t say anything about medicinal properties in these verses but explicitly
just to fill up your stomach only.
Ali
Sina said, “Prohibited foods in the Quran are
specified, human flesh is not among them. Does that mean that Muslims are
licensed to consume that? Such an absurd example, when killing a
human being is like butchering the whole humanity, and it is absolutely forbidden
in Quran, eating of his flesh is out of question. Same decree fix to Bible as
well. This is common sense which surely Ali Sina is deficient in.
The Test of the Bible
Ali Sina:
(Dr.
Naik) The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp8.htm)
…Quran that Muslims call “miracle”.
Answer:
Readers! I will straight come to the issue, and shall
not fool around like Ali Sina, by bombarding his self-made imaginative
statements and their implications with no EVIDENCES would not convince us for
sure. Let’s scrutinize the Bible Gospel of Mark Chapter 16 verses 17 & 18:
“And these signs shall
follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall
speak with new tongues;” (Mark 16:17)
“They shall take up
serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they
shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” (Mark 16:18)
Readers!
If you contemplate both the verses, no where do they implicate that the writer
was speaking metaphorically, but was speaking literally.
If
you scan the whole chapter of Mark 16, you will come to know that this chapter
is regarding aftermath of the event when Jesus was “crucified” and was placed
into sepulcher. The chapter starts with Mary Magdalene who went to sepulcher
but she did not find Jesus there, which in fact flabbergasted her. Afterwards,
Jesus first appeared to Mary Magdalene out of whom he had cast out SEVEN devils
(in the past). This account is mentioned in Bible in the same chapter:
“he appeared first to Mary
Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.” (Mark 16:9)
Another account of the same event:
“and also some women who
had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom
seven demons had come out;” (Luke 8:2)
Readers! Ali Sina
has to tell me now, is Bible again speaking metaphorically in these particular
verses? No, but this verse is giving account that Jesus had cast out SEVEN
devils from Mary Magdalene. What SEVEN devils? Why Bible is giving a definite
number of SEVEN devils? Sure this verse is not speaking allegorically and Jesus
did cast out?
Furthermore,
when Mary Magdalene knew that Jesus was alive, she went to his disciples and
told them the good news. But they did not believe her until Jesus came in front
of them and they became terrified. Then Jesus asked them to do following:
“And he said unto them, Go
ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” (Mark 16:15)
What Gospel? Which Gospel? Jesus’ words were
Gospel and he ordered his disciples to go into the world and preach his
teachings. Was Jesus again speaking metaphorically? No, he wanted his disciples
to abide by his orders, in truth. Jesus said that whoever shall believe and
baptized shall be saved and whosoever disobey will perish. You can find this
account in this verse:
“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he
that believeth not shall be damned.” (Mark 16:16)
Was Jesus still speaking metaphorically?
Again NO, afterwards he said which is written in Mark 17 & 18 and he called
these traits as his “signs”. Was he again speaking figuratively? Answer is NO
again. The first sign should be their dominion over evil spirits, the second,
the proof of that grace which went beyond the narrow limits of
Having thus given his
disciples their commission, Jesus ascends to heaven. Meanwhile, the disciples
occupy Jesus’ place, extending their sphere of service unto the ends of the
earth; and Jesus confirmed their word by the signs that follow them. Jesus
repeated his signs again and confirmed them by working and helping his disciples
and you can find this account in the last verse of Mark 16:
“And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord
working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen. “(Mark
16:20)
Who went forth? His disciples! What they
preached? Jesus’ words (Mark 16:15). Which signs following? The same signs that
are mentioned in Mark 16:17-18. No where in this chapter Jesus was speaking metaphorically.
He was speaking literal and his disciples obeyed him.
Readers! Mark
16:17-18 are the only signs mentioned in this whole chapter. No other signs are
uttered by Jesus. And Bible reminded these signs TWICE in all the 20 verses of
Mark 16, likewise these signs were also confirmed by Jesus himself in the last
verse. He is making sure that these signs will follow every believer, in the
last verse. Therefore, none of these signs are metaphoric but they are literal.
I have never heard or seen any Christian saying that these signs are metaphoric
except this dupe named Ali Sina. Proving my point again that he always presents
his smeared terminologies which are full of lies, made-up of his grimy mind
that never makes any impression at all. I challenge him again to show me any
authentic testimony where a Bible Specialist makes such a statement that Jesus
was speaking figuratively in Mark 16.
Readers! Ali Sina gave examples of a girl
who play with scorpions and people walking on fire without getting hurt. But I
want to ask him how many people in the world do that? The examples he mentioned
are the only exceptions? People walking on fire are all abnormal people as they
are deficient in pain receptors and they do not feel any pain. You can find one
account of such over here:
What about rest of the people in the world? Bible says that these
signs will follow them who believe. No other condition was put forth by Jesus;
just only and only “belief”. What does Ali Sina has to say about it?
“And these signs shall follow them that believe,” (Mark
16:17)
After presenting his
absurd examples and his twisted thinking, Ali Sina moves forward and gave
verses from Quran that depicts that Allah transformed the Jews into apes and
swine. Readers! Again I will be retorting in short. Quranic verses he
presented:
“for you are well aware of those from among you who profaned
the Sabbath, whereupon We said unto them, "Be as apes despicable!” (Quran
2:65)
“Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse
than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah. those who
incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed
into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse
in rank, and far more astray from the even path!” (Quran 5:60)
“When in their insolence they transgressed (all)
prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected” (Quran
7:166)
Readers! Again Quran
is portraying history so why Ali Sina is asking Muslims to explain this account
when he surely knows that we cannot? How can Ali Sina prove that this account
is fallible? He can never ever prove that because it is history. In his
argument Ali Sina said, “There are other realities that are not known to
us – parallel worlds that may have different dimensions. There is a lot that
cannot be explained with out known science”. These statements seem like
coming out of mentally retarded person where in one place he confirms “other
realities” that are not known to him and in second place he drags Quran in and
asked Muslims to explain him a history account. This is a two-tongue lunacy.
This is just imprudence.
Readers! Different
scholars have different views on above mentioned Quranic verses. Some say that
Allah had physically changed their bodies; some accounts say that Allah only
kept their intellect intact but changed their bodies, some other say that Allah
had completely transformed them with their bodies and mind. No one is sure, so
why is he asking us to explain such an account for which he is also not able to
disprove it as well?
I have no idea why
Ali Sina brought these Quranic verses and hadiths in this argument and why he
is comparing such verses with Bible verses. They are like chalk and cheese.
Mark 16 verses 17
& 18 are speaking of future; meaning all people coming after Jesus, who
have belief will perform such miracles till perpetuity. And Quran was only
giving a history account.
Speaking Tongues
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) I have read the book ‘The Quran and the Bible in the…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp8.htm)
…will
come to the believers miraculously overnight.
Answer:
Readers! Again I do not understand what Ali
Sina is trying to reveal over here when he said, “What obviously
speaking-in-tongues means is that the believers would go to other countries and
speaking in the language of those people.” What is so miraculous about
it? Any person can go to any country, learn their native language and then
preach. What is so astounding about it?
Ali Sina said, “Driving
out demons is driving out ignorance. That is what I am doing with Muslims.”
According to my understanding, his
parents are still Muslims. Why doesn’t he cast out their demons? I have a qualm
that he has ever seek it. Readers! The actual demon is in Ali Sina and I would
like to request him that whenever when he tries to cast out demon he should put
up a mirror in front of him.
Ali Sina said, “The
Bible does not say that the knowledge of these new languages will come to the
believers miraculously overnight”. Readers! Please read Mark 16:17-18
you will get the implication that whatever signs Jesus was talking about were
actually all miracles.
1. In my name they cast out devils
2. They shall speak with new tongues
3. They shall take up serpents
4. Deadly poison will not hurt them
5. They shall lay hand on sick and he will
recover
Readers! Points 1, 3, 4 & 5 are
undeniable miracles; and no doubt they are astounding miracles. Why Jesus while
speaking about miracles, changed his way, and spoke about an ordinary thing. Why
did he incorporate a common item in the list of his miracles? No, but he was
literally speaking about these miracles. And to perform such “acts” you just
have to believe in “Jesus as Lord” and NOTHING AT ALL. No other condition was
put forth by Jesus but only and only belief.
Readers! I can speak 4 languages; you tell
me, can some one regard this quality as a miracle? Some non-Christian people
can speak more than that; is this you call a miracle. No! This is crap; crap
mentioned in the Bible, the same mentioned by Ali Sina.
Readers! Rest of Ali
Sina’s argument is all gibberish. You read it yourselves and then decide if he
is speaking logically, just barking with “NO EVIDENCE” again.
Unscientific Statements in Bible and Quran
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) What does the Bible say regarding ‘Hydrology’?...
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp8.htm)
…mane
that the Quran is scientific.
Answer:
Ali Sina said, “Dr. Naik is engaging
in the favorite Islamic fallacy of tu quoque and instead of refuting the
charges brought against the Quran, he is trying to find faults in the Bible.
Again, another fib from “father of falsehood” (Ali Sina), besides this, he also
looks like “father of fallacies” as well. Readers! Dr. Zakir Naik made a
statement at the end of his speech that he refuted each and every claim of Dr.
William Campbell and there is zilch to confute. I am sure that his audacious public
statement should be adequate for Ali Sina to ever raise this argument again. In
my outlook, Ali Sina’s spat should be replied by Dr. William Campbell, where in
his rebuttal session he claimed overtly that he cannot answer the questions
raised by Dr. Naik regarding unscientific portions of the Bible.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp8.htm)
…things
in the Quran and the hadiths?
Answer:
Readers! Again Ali Sina’s sickness of going
out of track; however, I will reply in a short.
Tayammum:
Quranic verse in question:
“If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from
offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water,
then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and
hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.” (Quran 4:43)
Readers! The unembellished
meaning of the word “tayammum” is “intention”. However, in Shari’ah it
is characterized as “taking clean earth in one’s hands and wiping face and arms
with it with an intention to purify oneself”. No matter if your
body is soiled from different parts, but if you do tayammum you will be
purified because it is the intention that Allah concerns in such a scenario.
However, if you have water around then you definitely have to purify yourself with
it and then do ablution, NO tayammum is permissible in this situation.
Tayammum becomes
necessary in place of wudu (ablution) or ghusl when one of the following
circumstances prevails:
1. When there is no water.
2. When water is scarce for ablution.
3. When it is dangerous to go to a place where
there is water.
4. When water is located very far away.
5. During illness, when washing with water will
increase the illness or delay recovery.
Regarding the example Ali Sina gave that if
a person falls into a cesspool and does not find water to purify. If there is a
cesspool, then there must be water around some where, otherwise, what this
cesspool is doing over there. A person should really strive to look for water,
and if he doesn’t find it, then as a last resort, he is permissible to perform
tayammum.
For detailed information, please visit following sites.
http://truwayoflife.tripod.com/chap02.htm
http://www.muhammad.net/ebooks/Fus/fus1_04.html
http://www.al-islam.org/laws/tayammum.html
Bird out of clay:
Quranic verse in
question:
“behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of
a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My
leave” (Quran 5:110)
Firstly, Ali Sina is inquiring
about a miracle that I have previously replied at the onset of this document. Then
he put side by side, and said that this account is not mentioned in the Bible,
I have also proved above that Quran was not imitated from the Bible. Hence it
is not obligatory that this account should be mentioned in the Bible. The same
way Quran does not declare allegorically and also not factually “Jesus as God”
likewise Bible.
Secondly, the Arabic
word used in this verse for “bird” is “tayr” which is a plural of “ta’ir”
(flying creature or a bird), or an infinitive noun (flying) derived from the
word “
Therefore, if you
discard the word “bird” as the unvarnished meaning, thus, in the parabolic
manner so beloved by Jesus, he intimated to the children of Israel that out of
the humble clay of their lives he would fashion for them the vision of a
soaring destiny, and that this vision, brought to life by his God-given
inspiration, would become their real destiny by God’s leave and by the strength
of their faith (as pointed out at the end of this verse).
Fly in the drink:
Hadith in question:
“The Prophet said "If a housefly falls in the drink
of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a
disease and the other has the cure for the disease.” (Bukhari 4:54:537)
Readers! Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon
him) was very precise when he proclaimed this statement. Ali Sina is such an
ignorant person, he so much yowls about science, but he doesn’t even know an ooze
of it. Please find below the links where you can find information pertaining to
this subject.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s689400.htm
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&pageindex=1&artid=39576
http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2000/Jul/hour1_072100.html
Readers! Please bear in mind that
above-mentioned sites belong to non-Muslims solely. There is not a single
involvement of any Muslim individual or any
Camel urine as medicine:
Hadith in question:
“The climate of
Readers! Please visit Internet and search
for it (search for “Premarin”); you will come across loads of sites with profusion
of information. It seems like TALK OF THE TOWN on Internet. You can also pop in
to Ali Sina’s site www..
and read through his lewd articles and his disciples on the topic of urine as a
cure. Also visit his forum where you can bump into every brand of jester making
no sense at all. If some Muslims dared to answer or elucidate something on his
forum, you will see Ali Sina’s devotees barraging them with exceedingly
extraneous questions, their fraudulent terminologies, and last but not the
least, “NO EVIDENCE” in hand as always. My counsel to readers is not to squander
much time on the forum as there are only broods playing with words there, just
listen to what the Prophet Ali Sina (Cult of Golden Rule) has to say. By the
way he also seems adolescent with a very imperfect intellect once you go
through any of his inscriptions.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) It is mentioned in the book of
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp8.htm)
…using
bird blood as disinfectant.
Answer:
Readers! I will only reply regarding Quranic
verse 9:28,
“O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them
not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear
poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah
is All-knowing, All-wise.” (Quran 9:28)
Readers! By God, I
have never come across such a person in my life as deceiving as Ali Sina. He is
really in short of great deal of common sense and has no familiarity of Holy
Scriptures as well. He looks very promising in Islamic History, but only on the
surface; rather he is very illiterate in this very subject as well.
The term “najas”
“"نجس only occur in this
verse and in the whole Quran. You will not hit upon this word in any other
place besides this particular verse in Quran. This specific word carries an
exclusively spiritual meaning of a person who is “immoral” or “wicked” as
najas. This particular word was destined for the pagans of Arabs at the time of
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and for the individuals who are iniquitous
non-Muslims and covet to impair Islam. Likewise, Ali Sina and his disciples,
they are “unclean” in their creeds, in their morals, in their deeds, and in
their ways of “ignorance”, but not in their physical bodies by themselves. Therefore
people like him ought to be banned from entering into mosques, since besides
playing neutral, they will definitely injure the intellects of other Muslims.
Another way to refute
his argument is that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) permitted non-Muslims
to enter into mosques. There are accounts where Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon
him) preached or had a meeting with non-Muslim delegates in the mosque. Therefore,
Quran is not speaking about body impurity, but spiritual impurity.
Ali Sina said, “How
can alcohol be considered unclean? You can say drinking it is unhealthy, but
certainly it is not unclean”. Where does Quran say that alcohol is
unclean? It just only states that it is Satan’s handiwork so desist it. Quranic
verses regarding abstaining alcohol:
“O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of)
stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork:
eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.” (Quran 5:90)
“Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between
you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of
Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?” (Quran 5:91)
Readers! As you can
see, no where in these verses Quran says that alcohol is “najas”, the
only place this word is used is in the verse 9:28 which I already mentioned
above. However, scholars do distinguish in having faith that alcohol is unclean
or not and they have their own irrefutable basis. However, whatever the case
is, but Quran do say that there is some benefit in it.
“THEY WILL ASK thee about intoxicants and games of chance.
Say: "In both there is great evil as well as some benefit for man; but the
evil which they cause is greater than the benefit which they bring.” (Quran
2:219)
In this verse Quran converses about benefits;
it can be in the form of money or can be in the outline of medicine or
disinfecting things. The only abstinence is from drinking that obstructs
Allah’s remembrance and prayer as mentioned in verse 5:91 (mentioned above).
Even scholars have permitted applying perfumes that contain denatured alcohol
as they are meant only for cleanliness.
We will talk in
details some other time insha Allah.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) The Bible also has a very good test for adultery…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp8.htm)
…camel
urine is good for stomach.
Answer:
Readers! The first part of Ali Sina’s
comments regarding Dr. Zakir Naik’s “acting” is just his envy towards him in
outclassing Dr. Campbell. If he is so much in opposition to Dr. Naik’s
“acting”, then why doesn’t he send one his disciples (actors) to have a
dialogue with Dr. Naik to outdo him, in public? Besides keeping himself hidden
in some kind of gutter, Ali Sina waves and point fingers to people in public
without revealing himself fearing as it would also reveal his true self. Brother
Yamin Zakaria rightly quoted about him, “hiding behind a mask and calling
everyone ugly”.
Ali Sina said, “His
audience remain oblivious to the fact that he has not refuted logically any of
the charges that Dr. Campbell leveled against the Quran and that the
absurdities of the Bible do not prove the Quran to be a book of revelations”.
Once more, a lie from Ali Sina, I would urge readers to watch the video of
debate and see for yourself that if Dr. Naik “has not refuted logically any
of the charges”. As I mentioned above, Doctor publicly said that he has
refuted each and every claim of Dr. Campbell with logic and “EVIDENCES”.
Readers! Ali Sina put
forth a Quranic verse that according to his minuscule mentality, Prophet
Muhammad (Peace be upon him) challenged his opponents to engage in a “cursing
contest” to see who is telling the truth. Quranic verse in question:
“If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after
(full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,-
our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves:
Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who
lie!" (Quran 3:61)
I want to ask a
question to Ali Sina as where does this verse implicates that Prophet Muhammad
(Peace be upon him) is challenging his opponents to engage in a “cursing
contest”? Besides Allah is telling Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and his
opponents to engage in a “PRAYER” according to their faiths, and let Allah
send the curse on those who were lying. But his opponents never did so as they
were aware of the teachings and character of Prophet (Peace be upon him), the
majority of opponents became convinced in their hearts of his Prophethood; or
at least, they could not reject it boldly. You can find the commentary of this
verse over here:
http://www.translatedquran.com/meaning.asp?pagetitle=AL+-+IMRAN&sno=3&tno=287
Regarding Hadiths that were mentioned by Ali
Sina i.e. Abu Dawud 28:3875, 28:3879 & 28:3878, since I never got engaged
in such kind of spells because I never encountered such scenarios. But I found
an account where spells were used in the past when there were no medicines
available for such kinds of injuries. This account describes “Ancient Egyptian
Medicine” and definitely not speaking of “Islamic Medicine”, as it would not be
accepted by skeptic Ali Sina.
http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptmedicine.html
Christians and
Muslims believe in evil eye and spells as they are mentioned in our scriptures.
So we do not have to check any other account for credence. If our Holy Scripture
says so then it is the truth.
Readers! Please visit
the following site for detailed information on “Spells and Sorcery in Islam”.
http://www.thewaytotruth.org/metaphysicaldimension/spell_sorcery.html
Regarding Bani Nadir’s
planning to assassinate Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), actually gave him
an “excuse” to attack the tribe. Readers! Please visit following site
and read for yourself the actual story. Just do not blindly believe this idiot
Ali Sina, yet again he didn’t provide any evidence and lied.
http://www.faithfreedom.com/ali_sina_exposed/truth_about_jews.htm
Mathematical Errors in the Bible and the Quran
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) ‘Mathematics’ is a branch, which is associated…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp9.htm)
…You
pick your favorite error.
Answer:
Readers! Again Ali Sina is going out of
track, if he has naught to comment regarding what had said by Dr. Naik in his
speech, skip it then. Why is he engaging Quran in to this discussion regarding
Mathematics? I again cannot resist myself in retorting to his allegations.
Storm on people of Aad:
Quranic verses in question:
“Behold, We let loose upon them a raging storm wind on a day
of bitter misfortune:” (Quran 54:19)
“So We sent against them a furious Wind through days of
disaster,” (Quran 41:16)
“He made it rage against them seven nights and eight days in
succession:” (Quran 69:7)
Readers! If you densely look at the
translation of Quranic verse 54:19, it illustrates the idea of “a day the
ill-luck of storm started”, therefore, Allah is only mentioning about that
day when breeze of “misfortune” or “disaster” or “ill-luck” started; or the day
when Allah “let loose” the wind; or the day when Allah “sent” the
storm. No where in this verse stated the continuous days or total period of
disaster, but simply and only, stating about the day that it started. So you
can read this whole account as, “It was a day of misfortune for the people
of Aad when this storm started (54:19) and lasted for several days (41:16 &
69:7)” as stated by Quran in later verses. No mathematical contradictions
so far.
As for the rest of
the verses mentioned in Quran; verse 41:16 depicts that the storm blew “through”
days of disaster, again giving the period that it lasts for several days (Ali
Sina lied when he said “three days” as plural). And the last verse 69:7 gives
the definite number of days and nights.
1,000 or 50,000 days:
Regarding Allah’s days equal to 1000 human
years or 50,000 human years, I have already replied above in this document.
Three distinct groups:
Concerning THREE
distinct groups of people at the Last Judgment, let’s see the Quranic verses in
question:
“And ye shall be sorted out into three classes” (Quran 56:7)
Regarding above
mentioned verse, it is clear that Allah will sort people in three distinct
groups; right hand group, left hand group and foremost group. Ali Sina alleged
that Quranic verses 90:18-19 and 99:6-8 mention only TWO groups (left hand and
right hand) and in his outlook it is a mathematical contradiction. Let’s
scrutinize these verses from Quran:
“Such are the Companions of the Right Hand” (Quran 90:18)
“But those who reject Our Signs, they are the (unhappy)
Companions of the Left Hand.” (Quran 90:19)
Surprise! So where is the contradiction?
Where do these two verses say that Allah will divide people into TWO distinct
groups? I can only see that Allah is talking about right hand people and left
hand people. Does Ali Sina mean that Allah forgot (Naoozubillah) to mention
foremost people (third group)?
Readers! We did not
find any mathematical contradiction in above mentioned two verses. Let’s see
what other Quranic verses have to say:
“On that Day will men proceed in companies sorted out, to be
shown the deeds that they (had done).” (Quran 99:6)
“Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good,
see it!” (Quran 99:7)
“And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see
it.” (Quran 99:8)
I am surprised again, where is the
contradiction? They are not even speaking of any groups then what this duped
named Ali Sina is alleging to?
For example if I say
that in my class there are three groups of children; one who are excellent in
studies, second who are moderate in studies and third who are bad in studies.
If I tell some one about only two groups i.e. students who are moderate in
studies and who are bad in studies. Does it mean I contradict myself? No, but I
am ONLY talking about good students and bad students, and NOT
talking anything about excellent students at all. Contradiction will be there
if at the outset I would have said that there were only THREE groups in my
class and afterwards I declare that there are only TWO groups in my class. This
is called mathematical contradiction.
Similarly, I want Ali
Sina to show me a verse from Quran that say Allah will create TWO groups on
Judgment Day. I want an unequivocal statement just like in Quranic verse 56:7. Then
only I will accept that Quran has a contradiction, where at one place it is saying
“THREE GROUPS” and on other place as “TWO GROUPS”. I will not
accept the terminology where Allah only speaking about TWO groups, as a
contradiction. It seems like Ali Sina was drunk when he found this kind of
contradiction. This is a childish act of finding errors.
“Angel” of Death or “Angels” of Death:
Quranic verses in
question:
“Say: “[One day,] the angel of death who has been given
charge of you will gather you, and then unto your Sustainer you will be brought
back.” (Quran 32:11)
“hence, how [will they fare] when the angels gather them in
death, striking their faces and their backs?” (Quran 47:27)
“It is God [alone that has this power - He] who causes all
human beings to die at the time of their [bodily] death, and [causes to be as
dead], during their sleep, those that have not yet died” (Quran 39:42)
I will give another account from Quran
speaking of “angels” as in plural form.
“Behold, those whom the angels gather in death while they
are still sinning against themselves,” (Quran 4:97)
Readers! In Arabic (Quran) and Hebrew (Bible)
languages the plural is used as “respect”, and it is the very basic knowledge
of these two languages. I do not want to waste time on a knowledge that is very
basic and known. For more in depth information, please read this article:
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch14.html
Therefore, the word
“angles” used in the verses can be interpreted in terms of “respect”.
Secondly, if Ali Sina
takes the word literally and denies the fact that the word “angels”
means more than one, then let’s scrutinize these verses densely by reading the
following document:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/thetruth.htm
Readers! After
reading both the documents you will surely be convinced that there are no
contradictions in these verses. The reason I am not giving much descriptions on
these issues is that much has already been written by our Muslim brothers and
it is widely available over Internet. However, if a person, after presenting
him the truth, facts and EVIDENCES still yowls around denying the provided
facts, then there is no way we can call him a sensible person, but a lunatic.
Ali Sina again proved himself madcap by unearthing these issues AGAIN; as they
were already refuted by Muslim brothers long ago with reasons, logics, facts
and EVIDENCES. If Ali Sina still does not accept the refutation by Muslims then
he has to come up with some concrete reasons, logic and EVIDENCES in his REBUTTAL,
but as always he is presenting the same old stories that were raised by
millions before him. This is stupidity and nothing else. It is like a person who
is keep on saying at night, that “it is a day” “it is a day”, but if some one
proves him with EVIDENCES that “it is a night”, he never accepts it and still
keep on saying “it is a day” “it is a day”, and yet still keeping to himself the
fact where he has to prove that why is it a day or not a night. What do you
call such a person? Surely, mentally retarded, but I call him Ali Sina. Truth
is in front of them and they can see it but they never accept it.
How many angels talked to Mary?
It is the same old
story again from Ali Sina. Please read this article for refutation:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/thetruth.htm
Quranic Inheritance Law:
Again the same old
story from Ali Sina, please read this article for refutation where Brother
Zaatri refuted Ali Sina’s own article:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/muslim1/rebuttaltoalisina3.htm
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) To make it easier for Dr. William Campbell…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp9.htm)
…on
the taller branch, falls harder.
Answer:
Ali Sina said, “The essence of the
message of the Bible has remained the same from Genesis to Apocalypses”.
Ok! So where does the notion of Trinity fit in? If Bible verbalizes adulate only
one God then why Christians have faith in triune gods (1 John 5:7)? Why Jews trust
in one God and Christians in three? Didn’t the message change from Old
Testament to New Testament?
Ali Sina said, “Here
we have one single book written by numerous authors during a span of fifteen
centuries and despite that its message has remained constant. On the other
hand, the Quran is written by one person and yet the Medinan Suras are
diametrically different from the Meccan ones conveying an entirely different
message”. Readers! Isn’t it a miracle enough that Bible was inscribed
by numerous authors and Quran was written by only one person (allegedly),
transformed such a magnitude of cohorts? Yet the fundamental message of Quran
concerning core concept of God remained throughout invariable. 40 authors
against 1, it’s an astounding miracle, isn’t it? 1500 years of inscribing
against 23 years, isn’t it marveling enough?
Concerning Medinan Suras and Meccan Suras, I
am indicting Ali Sina of hypocrisy and being mendacious again, as he has quoted
each and every verse of Quran “OUT OF CONTEXT”. As I have already substantiated
in this document how he maneuvers meanings so that they constantly go in his
favor all the time, by overlooking and denying diametrically the actual theme
of lexis, with intent. People like Ali Sina and his disciples, if ever presented
with two descriptions of a verse; one is true and other is false, they always elect
the false one; devoid of producing substantiations. Not because it is close to
the actual meaning, but such sham narrations can only fit & fix in their
minuscule minds. They will never ever succumb to the true notion of the verse;
no matter how much veritable amplifications, logics, evidences and facts you endow
with but they will still weld to false one and will recur forever, since it wills
a loss on them. Moreover in this course, they only furnish their perverted
jargons and lame explanations in order to prove fib as fact. I will certainly disprove
these claims some other time under a different topic insha Allah.
Ali Sina said, “The
thinking majority of Christians and Jews say that the authors of the Bible were
humans who were inspired by God”. On the contrary, common Jews and
Christians consider Bible to be the verbatim word of God, isn’t this the case? Subsequently,
it connotes that “thinking Christians and Jews” are deceiving common
people, hypocrisy yet again. At least, this is not the indictment anti Quran as
each and every Muslim whether an ordinary one or a “thinking” one, both believe
Quran to be the verbatim word of Allah. A propos, God inspired humans to write
down Bible, such a crap; God doesn’t converse to every Tom, Dick and Harry and
so freely as it feels in the Bible. If God had inspired ordinary humans (other
than the Prophets) then there should be no errors in the Bible, however, this
is not the case. Butchery of children, raping juvenile girls, ripping the bellies
of pregnant women, several cases of incest, Prophets assassinated children and
so on and so forth; can we attribute such atrocities as an inspiration of God?
God inspired such filthy dictations on His “chosen” humans? I do not believe in
this crap. Holy Scriptures should not have such notions so to be making it a
pure divine revelation.
Ali Sina said, “In
nowhere in the Bible, both in the Old Testament or the New Testament, you are
led to believe that it is God that is speaking. It is always a human, giving
the message of God in his own words”. Why should I listen to a human
who is giving the message of God in his “OWN” words? Why in his own words? What
is his credence? I have already given examples above, in point of fact, of what
actually ensue when humans inscribe books and then attribute it to God.
Readers! Later in his
argument Ali Sina extol Bible and in his canon it seems Bible is inclined more towards
rectitude as judge against Quran. His abnormal intelligence appreciates that
the word of God can be remain intact if it is conveyed in the words of humans, or
at least the core message remains the same and populace should not put down lids
of their astuteness in understanding the human words. But this is not bona fide;
the message of the Bible regarding the core concept of God has changed from Old
Testament to New Testament. The only reason this impasse cropped up is because
of the discrepancies in humans delivering the message. Does it mean that there
is not a single Christian who could comprehend the basic concept of God from
the Bible? Or are the Jews not competent enough to understand the same message?
One group certainly is insincere in delivering the truth. I am not conversing regarding
any intricate theories in the Bible; but only concerning basic concept of God.
Humans do
automatically become liars if they err with intent; such as in the case of the
Bible when they portray the same event in different ways, like for example;
“And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses,” (1 Kings
4:26)
“And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses,” (2
Chronicles 9:25)
One has to be a liar. Similarly I can give
loads of examples where you can see coherent boo-boo in the Bible. These errors
are so immense and so serious that they cannot even be called for revisions,
same like the example above. Bible scholars cannot correct this inaccuracy but
just to present their own warped interpretations and stories to back up their creed,
just like Ali Sina.
Readers! The inkling that
Ali Sina has portrayed in his arguments that there is no quandary in delivering
God’s message in humans’ own words and followers should consent to the errors
made by humans and do not cease their intelligence in understanding the
message. This practice is so ridiculous and convoluted that it will craft a pandemonium
amid the followers of Bible. Such kind of system, blunders and variations in
the Holy Scriptures often do more impairment than good. There is indubitable
confirmation of not only scientific, but also historical slip-ups in the Bible,
for example Daniels gaffes about the timing of diverse Babylonian
interventions. I go on to affirm that there are even theological errors, for
instance, Job 14:13-22 absolutely snubs the likelihood of life after death, although
Isaiah 26 says the opposite. So which version of understanding should people decide
on? Such kind of deformed terminologies can coin an enormous dilemma in
Christian-dom & Judaism if they consider it seriously, where one group is in
accordance with the concept of Job 14 and another group who accepts life after
death as bona fide – Isaiah 26. Both of these groups will be dangling in the
air, in the middle of nowhere, having immense crisis in justifying their own
concepts. Nay! This kind of practice can only be acted upon is in the Cult of Prophet
Ali Sina (Golden Rule) where his disciples accept every sick lingo,
contradictions, inconsistencies, errors and fibs from their Prophet (Ali Sina)
and do not consider them to be immense, as they only have true faith in their
Prophet and whatever crap he is saying.
According to Ali
Sina, “the essence of Christianity is good. It is a message of love and
forgiveness. Despite hundreds of errors that exist in the Bible, this message
is supreme and its value cannot be diminished”. Wait a minute, what
about these verses; which message is a true one:
“And if a man shall take his brother’s wife, it is an
unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother’s nakedness, they shall be
childless”. (Leviticus 20:21)
“her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to
him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.”
(Deuteronomy 25:5)
Clear-cut contradiction, no perplexity in disparity
and I want to ask Ali Sina, which message is true? You cannot just overlook
this fact as these kinds of scenarios are pretty usual in human life.
Regarding the message
of the Bible i.e. love and forgiveness. But these verses are speaking opposite:
“Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and
kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.” (Numbers 31:17
“But all the women children, that have not known a man by
lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:18)
Saving women children
and keeping alive for yourselves; for what?
“But slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and
sheep, camel and ass”. (Samuel 15:2)
“The people of
“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones
against the stones.” (Psalms 137:9)
“Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit
adultery with her into great tribulation except they repent of their deeds”.
(Revelation 2:22)
“And I will kill her children with death” (Revelation 2:23)
“He (Prophet Elisha) turned around, looked at them and
called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of
the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths”. (2 Kings 2)
Is this the love and
forgiveness Bible and Ali Sina speaking about? In the Bible, not only the ordinary
people but Prophets (Bible) performed such gruesome acts also. Sure Ali Sina is
again deceiving people when he was enunciating about love and forgiveness in
the Bible, as a whole. I do not deny the fact that Bible does preach love and
forgiveness at some places (not as a whole), but what about these verses, you
cannot repudiate them as well. Such a great magnitude of atrocities! None of these
verses are out of context and not a single Christian and Jew deny their
existence and true meaning. I can also provide commentaries on these verses by
Bible Scholars, if it is required. Now we will look what Quran has to say
regarding these matters:
“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel
that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading
mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any
one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”
(Quran 5:32)
“But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also)
incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth
(all things)” (Quran 8:61)
“Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not
transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors”. (Quran 2:190)
These are some of the
verses from Holy Quran, such they are inclined towards peace, justice and
harmony and still people like Ali Sina go against Quran. The so called verses
in Quran regarding “terrorism”, “killing” and other “atrocities”; people like
Ali Sina use to mention them “out of context” and they mislead people. I can
explain those verses but if and only if compelled by Ali Sina.
Ali Sina said, “If
it is the verbatim word of God, it cannot have one single error. If it has a
single error, it can’t be the word of God, and if it is not the word of God it
is a lie”. Very true, but Ali Sina failed in proving Quran frail. It
should be Bible that fits in this type of description. No wonder, why Ali Sina
finds Bible more competent than Quran, as Bible is full of lies and so is he.
Ali Sina said, “We
can find scientific errors and absurdities in all religious books but still
hold to the good and the beautiful that exist in these books and overlook the
bad part. This we can’t do with Quran. All we need to show that the Quran is
false in it’s entirely is one single error. One who sits on the taller branch,
falls harder”. Taking in consideration the theory of Ali Sina, if a
person held to the good part of his religious book then by design (as set by
Ali Sina) another person can hold to the bad part of it as well, and he can verily
justify his actions by quoting his religious book. If there were countries
fully embedded by Bible laws then there would be no punishments for atrocities.
This is senseless to pick good parts and discard bad parts of a religious book.
There are instances where a good part can be a disaster in the long run but at
the initial no one knows it.
Concerning Quran, there is not a SINGLE
verse in Quran that goes against human rights or humanity, in its apposite context
and description, and this is the belief of every “thinking” Muslim and “common”
Muslim as well.
Moon Light
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) And he said that if it means a reflection of light…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp10.htm)
…This
verse is gibberish.
Answer:
Bible verse presented by Dr. Zakir Naik:
“God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the
day and the lesser light to govern the night.” (Genesis 1:16)
Readers! The Hebrew
word for “light” employed in this particular verse of the Bible is “ma’owr”;
dilemma is that it is been used both for Sun and the Moon. No matter what is
the actual meaning of the word “ma’owr” is, however, it never fits in
the description of both Sun and the Moon in this verse, as they both are
different in respect of the concept of “light”. So this whole verse is a
fabrication. Hence, in the concept of the Bible; light of the Sun is the same
light, as of the Moon. This is no implication but evidence.
Besides, the Hebrew word
for “lesser” is “qatan” which also means “younger”, and Bible scholars
have exercised this word as an adjective for the moon in translation; denoting
Moon’s light as its own lesser light as compared to Sun.
The Hebrew words for “borrow” are “lavah”,
“’abat”, or “sha’al” in the Old Testament, which were not applied
in Genesis 1:16. The Hebrew words for “reflect” are “leb”, “’anah”,
or “shiyth”; however, they never utilized in conjunction with Sun or
Moon in the entire Old Testament.
Sun:
Concerning Quran;
verses in question:
“It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the
Moon to be a light.” (Quran 10:5)
“Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and
placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light.” (Quran 25:61)
“And made the Moon a light in their midst, and made the sun
as a (Glorious) Lamp? (Quran 71:16)
Right away, Ali Sina after presenting these
three verses said, “The same error also exists in the Quran”.
Such a bizarre and jagged brain he has; he seems like comparing the English
word “light” used in the Bible as to be the same word that is used in the
Quran. That’s what it seems on the surface when he presented his argument.
Readers! Bible used
the English word “light” and Hebrew word “ma’owr” for both Sun and the
Moon as I have proved above; however, this is not the case with Quran. In all the
above three verses Allah, with in His Divine Wisdom, never called “Sun” a “light”
but termed it as a “Lamp”. And it is a fact that lamp has its own light.
Another place where this word Lamp is employed for Sun in Quran is:
“and have placed [therein the sun,] a lamp full of blazing
splendour.” (Quran 78:13)
The Arabic word for “lamp” is “siraj”
and there are only 4 places (as verses mentioned above) where this word is utilized
in the whole Quran and for the Sun only (as far as I know). No where in the
whole Quran this Arabic word “siraj” is used for the Moon; therefore, there
are two separate words used for the Sun and the Moon in Quran. Till now we
already substantiated following:
1.
“siraj” is only used for Sun and it
means “lamp”; which has its own light.
2.
“siraj” never used to describe Moon
in Quran.
Moon:
Now concerning Moon,
the Arabic word used for Moon in Quran is “muneer” which means “
borrowed light”, and there is only one place in the whole Quran that this word is
utilized in conjunction with the Moon i.e. verse 25:61. Therefore, up till now we
substantiated one thing more:
1. “siraj” is only used for Sun and it
means “lamp”; which has its own light.
2. “siraj” never used to describe Moon
in Quran.
3.
“Muneer” is employed for Moon only, in
Quran.
Light:
Readers! Now we will explore
Quran and see how this word “Muneer” is utilized; whether as a “light
of its own” or an implication of a “borrowed light”. Please find below the
verse:
“And as one who invites to Allah's (grace) by His leave, and
as a lamp spreading light.” (Quran 33:46)
The Arabic word used in this verse is “siraj”
for “lamp”; the same that is employed in verses 10:5, 25:61, 71:16 & 78:13
for the “Sun”. The Arabic word used for light is “muneer” the same that
is utilized in verse 25:61 for the “Moon”. And if you read the concluding
portion of the verse 33:46 you will discern that it is clearly stating “lamp
is spreading light” or lamp is the source of light. If you recall, above
Sun was compared with “siraj” and moon was with “muneer” in verse
25:61, making it crystal clear that Moon’s light (muneer) is actually a light
from Sun (siraj - lamp) as per the explanation mentioned in 33:46. If
you interchange the words “lamp” and “light” in verse 33:46 with “Sun” and
“Moon”; then you can read it as “Sun spreading its light to Moon”.
Therefore, it is firm
evidence that the light “muneer” is in fact the light of a lamp; means a
borrowed light. Hence, the light of the Moon (Muneer) is actually the
light of the Sun (siraj – lamp) as per the description mentioned in
verse 33:46. Problem solved.
Quranic verse in
question:
“Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The
Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp
enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed
Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh
luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide
whom He will to His Light: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah
doth know all things.” (Quran 24:35)
Readers! The Arabic word used for “niche” in
this verse is “mishka” مشكاة, however there is a prefix added to this
noun “ka” making it as “kamishkatin”, the letter “kaaf” ك pointing to a
resemblance of one thing to another or indicating a “metaphor”. In the above
context it alludes to the impossibility of defining God even by means of a
metaphor or a parable – for, since
“there is nothing like unto Him” (Quran 42:11)
“nothing that could he compared with Him” (Quran 112:4)
Hence, the parable of
“the light of God” is not meant to express His reality – which is inconceivable
to any created being and, therefore, inexpressible in any human language – but
only to allude to the illumination which He, who is the Ultimate Truth, bestows
upon the mind and the feelings of all who are willing to be guided. Tabari,
Baghawi and Ibn Kathir quote Ibn Abbas and Ibn Masu’d as saying in this
context: “It is the parable of His light in the heart of a believer.” (Idea taken from: www.islamicity.com)
The only reason Dr. Zakir Naik hoisted this spat
is because, more often than not, non-Muslims use this verse to abjure the verity
that “Moon has a reflected light” as per mention in Quran. Subsequently, they try
to balance this idea with the “light of Allah” mentioned in verse 24:35, so to
speak that it means Allah is also acquiring light from somewhere else
(Nauzubillah). Usually non-Muslims use this particular verse and just pick the
first part of it where it says that Allah is the “light of heavens and the earth”;
they deliberately hop the further part of the verse where the word “lamp” is
used. So, if you take the first part of the verse literally, you cannot say
that Allah is taking light from somewhere else because Allah’s light is described
further in the verse where the word “lamp” is used. However, we Muslims interpret
this verse metaphorically and it is not the literal description of Allah, since
it goes against the teachings of Quran.
Ali Sina said, “Assuming
that God is within a niche, (which is ludicrous concept) how can He reflect His
own light? How can any luminous object act also as its own reflector?” Niche
means “a hollow place”, according to the verse “lamp” is in hollow place and
its walls are reflecting the light as they are made up of glass. However, this
is not the description of Allah as it is going against Quranic verses 42:11
& 112:4. The verse is speaking metaphorically. And the exact interpretation
is done by Ibn Kathir and other scholars and posted by Ali Sina in his argument
as well.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Dr. William Campbell says that…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp10.htm)
…In
reality they are fooling themselves.
Answer:
Readers! Concerning Quranic verse 2:191, Ali
Sina all over again posted “OUT OF CONTEXT”. For the definite reality regarding
this verse, please read in context following verses 2:190-194. You will assuredly
unearth the truth. Allah commanded Muslims to instigate war, “if and only if”,
compelled by adversaries and also prompt Muslims to not to perpetrate belligerence.
There is not a single Army General on the face of the earth who could utter
such words to his soldiers when they are at war. I wonder if Ali Sina and his
disciples “would turn their other cheek” if some one wage war on them. All
these verses are self-explanatory so I am moving forward.
Regarding “nur”
and “muneer”, I have already provided the description above. The conspicuous
point is that Allah, on no account, ever used a word “nur” or “muneer”
for Sun, isn’t it odd? The utmost and mightiest source of light available at
the time of Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon him), but Allah never entitled it
as a “light” in the whole Quran. Even the Bible named it as a “greater light”.
How arduous was it for Quran to use the same word for both Sun and Moon? And it
is not only one place; but four places in Quran the word “lamp” is used for
Sun. I do not know how much more description is required by Ali Sina?
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) The other point that Dr. William Campbell raised…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp10.htm)
…but
error and scientific blunders.
Zulqarnain and the Setting place of the Sun
Answer:
Quranic verse in question:
“Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it
set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O
Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them
with kindness.” (Quran 18:86)
Ali Sina said, “All the ten
translators of the Quran that I consulted have translated this word as found”.
Readers! Ali Sina missed one by Mohammed Asad:
“[And he marched westwards] till, when he came to the
setting of the sun, it appeared to him that it was setting in a dark, turbid
sea; and nearby he found a people [given to every kind of wrongdoing]. We said:
"O thou Two-Horned One! Thou mayest either cause [them] to suffer or treat
them with kindness!"
Readers! It is out-and-out
that the Arabic word “wajada” is expressed figuratively in this
particular verse, when it speaks about sun setting in turbid sea. There are
several ways to scrutinize this verse and some of them were already elucidated by
Dr. Zakir Naik in his vocalizations. There are instances in Quran where this
word has been used as in figurative sense. Like for example.
“But the Unbelievers,- their deeds are like a mirage in
sandy deserts, which the man parched with thirst mistakes for water; until when
he comes up to it, he finds it to be nothing: But he finds Allah
(ever) with him, and Allah will pay him his account: and Allah is swift in
taking account” (Quran 24:39)
There are two places
where the word “find” is utilized in this particular verse; first time it is
used as of a literal meaning and second time as a metaphor. The same Arabic
word “wajada” is utilized in this verse in both the senses. It doesn’t
mean that Allah is physically at hand with people but in spiritual manner He is
there in the hearts of believers. Such notions are widely used in almost all
the books and they really beautify the writings.
Similarly you can
find tons of verses in the Old Testament where the same Hebrew word for “find”
which is “Matsa’” is used figuratively and literally as well. Please
find below the evidence.
“And he returned to
“And I have sent to tell my lord, that I may find grace in
thy sight.” (Genesis 32:5)
Readers! Just like
Ali Sina, can I lay my allegation on Bible verse Genesis 32:5 and demand Christians
and Jews to explicate me that how a person can locate grace in God’s sight?
This is inanity. Ali Sina is daft and he is playing with words, by saying that
the same Arabic word “wajada” is used twice in Quranic verse 18:86; and
both the times literally. No! But one place literally and another place allegorically.
The same Hebrew word “Mastsa’” is also used in both the Bible verses;
one place figuratively and another place literally. This is part of the
language. If there are any rules of language that cease people to use such expressions,
and any of them Ali Sina is aware of, then let him provide them as evidences.
Similarly in New
Testament, the Greek word used for “find” is “heurisko”, and it is also
used in both the forms.
“Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.” (Mark 13:36)
“He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth
his life for my sake shall find it.” (Mathews 10:39)
Readers! Bible is full of such verses where
the same word is used as a metaphor in one place and as a literal in another
place. This is not a difficulty but this is how people converse in their
languages. For more in-depth information regarding this subject please visit
the following sites.
http://www.geocities.com/noorullahwebsite/zul-qarnain.html
Readers! There are other ways you can comprehend
this particular Quranic verse:
1. Supposedly, if it would be the case where
Quran literally said that Sun sets in murky waters, then why no where in Hadith
such kind of notion is found? If it was a fact at that time, then why did not
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) preached about it? He sermonized about
Jinns, Angels, Life after death, fate etc to his congregation and Muslims
believed in every word of him, without inquiring any evidences. The same way,
they could have also believed that sun set in murky waters. However, isn’t it
strange that Prophet (Peace be upon him) never spoke about it and his
congregation never asked?
2. In the whole Hadith collection of Bukhari;
you will find Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) preaching about “sun running
on a fixed course for a term (decreed)” multiple times, but never said ONCE that
it sets in murky waters. Bukhari 4:421, 6:326, 6:327, 9:520, and 9:528.
3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) so much
addressed about sunrise and sunset to preach his congregation and indicating them
how to calculate prayer times by sunset and sunrise. Not once in his sermon he
declared that Sun sets in murky waters. Bukhari 1:529, 1:531, 1:532, 3:139,
3:468 and so on.
4. Taking above statements in consideration;
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) discerned that Quranic verse 18:86 is not
literally articulating about “sun setting in murky waters”, however it was a
figurative statement.
5. There are tons of instances in the Bible
where the same word “find” is used in both forms i.e. metaphorically &
literally. Some of the examples are here: Genesis 18:3, 6:8, 7:1, 19:19, 30:27,
33:10. 1 Samuels 12:5, 30:6. Job 12:12, 28:12, 28:13, 32:13, 22:26, 27:10.
Proverbs 10:13, 13:10, 14:9, 2:5, 3:13 and millions more. If Christians and
Jews sill demur on Quranic verse 18:86, then at the outset, they have to make
their accounts straight before pointing fingers to Quran.
6. This is how the language evolves and such
phrases are part of its structure; which in my outlook really beautify the
writings. If skeptics like Ali Sina still be against Quranic verse 18:86, then they
require changing the structure of languages. People like him have to bend their
intellects more so that their common sense can work a bit in understanding Holy
Scriptures.
If you read the story of Zulqarnain in Quran
18:83-98, you will notice that Allah mentioned Zulqarnain by his name and also as
a third person “he”; for example, he followed, he reached, he found, he said,
he came, he left, he had, and he made. It is lucid that it is Allah who is unfolding
the story of Zulqarnain and his expedition. Similarly in this verse:
“They uttered against Mary a grave false charge.” (Quran
4:156)
Taking in
consideration above verse; not a single rational person can exclaim that Allah actually
“uttered against Mary”, but they were Jews who said false about Mary. It is
Allah who is telling the story of Jews. Also, in this verse:
“And I found her and her people adoring the sun instead of
God” (Quran 27:24)
Ali Sina said, “If
so, why Allah did not make it clear that Zulqarnain had made a mistake?
There is no requirement of any rectification as there is no blooper? Blunder is
in the heads of people like Ali Sina who misconstrue the whole perception.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Point # 2: The Arabic word used is Maghrib…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp10.htm)
…in
which there is no doubt 2:1.
Answer:
Ali Sina said, “All the translators
have invariably translated maghrib as “setting-place” and not “time of
setting”. Again a lie from “father of lies”, readers please find below
the translations of Quranic verse 18:86 by M. Asad and Yusuf Ali who used the
Arabic term “maghrib” as “time of setting”:
“Until, when he reached the setting of the sun,” (Quran
18:86 – Yusuf Ali)
“till, when he came to the setting of the sun,” (Quran 18:86
– M. Asad)
As for rest of Ali
Sina’s comments; they require explanation and I put them aside for later writing
under some other topic.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Even if Dr. William Campbell says…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp10.htm)
…Dr.
Naik continued.
Answer:
Both the statements are accurate; firstly,
Zul-qarnain did make a mistake in considering that he actually attained a place
of sunset, which is definitely not accurate. Dr. Zakir Naik clarified the fact
that actually it was Zul-qarnain who was erroneous and not Allah, because Allah
is just only describing of what “he” spotted. Secondly, as for the skeptics and
critics like Ali Sina who still allege Allah to actually the One who made a
mistake (Nauzubillah), for them this can be figurative statement as well. So
Alhumdullillah if you analyze this verse from both perspectives you still not
be able to locate a single inaccuracy.
Ali Sina said, “In
these verses maghrib cannot be translated as the TIME of sunset. None of
the translators have made that mistake. The expression used is not figurative.
The verse is talking about an event that actually took place and was observed
by Zulqarnain and not something that appeared to him” Readers! Ali
Sina, earlier in his arguments said something about “structure of the sentence”
then in this contention he shorn of the likelihood that maghrib can be
translated as the “TIME of sunset”. In both the instances he did not defend these
crooked statements. Such kinds of statements result in implying that they are
just his smeared terminologies with no explanations at all, again unearthing
his lies. The only evidence he gave is that none of the translators have
translated this word as “time of setting”; however, I have already provided
proofs above that M. Asad and Yusuf Ali both translated this word as sunset.
Readers! The Arabic
word “maghrib” can be translated as “west” or “sunset”, and both of these
meanings are utilized in Quran in several places. And why sunset cannot fit in
the “structure of language”? This fairytale is still to be answered by
“PROFESSOR” Ali Sina with proper explanations and evidences. I am not going to acknowledge
any of his daydreaming deceptive semblances and his crooked minded
terminologies.
Readers! I have
provided ample proofs and logical explanations of Quranic verse 18:86 and I am
sure that you are convinced now that there is no problem in this particular
verse. However, if you look at in the case of Ali Sina you will find that he
seems like just writing, writing and writing without even BENDING his mind of
what actually he is putting on paper. All along in his argument:
1. He seemed illogical in describing this verse.
2. He lied where he said that Arabic word “maghrib”
cannot be translated as “time of setting” in these verses. And he did not give
any explanation.
3. He tends to change the structure of
languages if one holds to his implication.
4. He just uses his own words to satisfy his breed
devoid of any strong arguments and logic.
5. Whatever evidences he provided are not
authentically verified by him and can easily be refuted.
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) He quoted Surah Furqan, Chapter 25, Verse. 45…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp10.htm)
…of
the fact that he was lying.
Answer:
Readers! I will only reply to arguments
pertaining to Quranic verses 25:45-46, concerning Hadiths, I will reply in
short and rest will deal with them later insha Allah under some other subject
as they require some explanation.
Quranic verses in
question:
“Hast thou not seen how thy Lord hath spread the shade. And
if He willed He could have made it still, then We have made the sun its pilot;
(Quran 25:45)
“Then We withdraw it unto Us, a gradual withdrawal?” (Quran
25:46)
Ali Sina said, “The only way that is
is possible is to make the “moving” sun stand still”. Readers! Read his
comments again but in my words. The only way that is possible is to make the
“moving” EARTH stand still. Problem solved. Therefore, actually it
was Dr. Campbell and then Ali Sina who are putting their own words in Quran. No
where Quran mentions that “Sun moves” and this allegation was also clarified by
Dr. Zakir Naik in his speech as well. Not even a single implication of movement
of Sun or either Earth is mentioned.
Ali Sina said, “that it goes around the
earth and if Allah orders it to stop in midair it will and if He tells it to
rise from the West, it will obey”. Readers! Most of the hadiths of
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) regarding sunset and sunrise are for
determining the prayer times for Muslims. There are some hadiths as mentioned
by Ali Sina simply stating metaphorically that Sun is under the command of
Allah. No where in the hadiths it is mentioned that Sun revolves around the
Earth, not even in Quran. The implication of “movement of Sun” in hadiths are
usually for determining prayer times as I have mentioned earlier in this
document under the subject of “Zulqarnain”. In some of the hadiths Sun is
mentioned as a slave of Allah which “moves” around by Allah’s will, if this
notion is not acceptable to Ali Sina, then what about Astronomers who tend to
calculate sunrise and sunset timings using a mathematical model in which the “sun
revolves around the Earth”. If this kind of “misleading” stuff is
acceptable in scientific work to make things easy to comprehend, then why
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) cannot use the same notion to educate his
congregation in order to make them grasp effortlessly.
Readers! Noticeable
thing is that no where does Quran or Hadith state that Sun revolves around
Earth. Period! For more information on “Mathematical Model” of calculating
sunrise and sunset, please visit Internet and you will come across loads of
accounts. One of them is here:
http://www.arachnoid.com/lutusp/sunrise/index.html
Ali Sina:
(Dr. Naik) Dr. William spoke about Solomon’s death…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp10.htm)
…and
not a single miracle.
Solomon’s Death
Answer:
Ali Sina said, “Just because Bible has
many unproven and unscientific stories, the ridiculous stories in the Quran do
not become true”. Readers! These statements are from grounds of a
person who has no faith, no holy book and he has taken an initiative to call
every religion ridiculous. It’s like an Engineer calling Doctors a waste. Ali
Sina has to spell out; on what grounds he is entitling every religion fallacious.
What he has to offer to humanity? Please! I really do not want to hear anything
about personalized “Golden Rule” from Ali Sina, as it is already been buried in
a dung by Brother Yamin Zakaria (http://www.iiop.org/MDebate.php?recordID=2).
He has to proffer something else and we will try to heed.
Readers! The position
from where Dr. Zakir Naik was addressing and condemning Bible was his true
faith in his religion, Holy Quran was his foundation. Similarly, Dr. William
Campbell was lecturing and backing his belief in Bible from his own grounds. Thus,
every person deemed himself on a true path and then they were having dialogues
after substantiating their basis of belief. Otherwise it is very easy to dub everything
a crap if you do not have any grounds of belief.
The same way Ali Sina
does; no faith, no belief, no holy book and when some one present him with
arguments he just deny them with no evidence except just to give his own gutter
terminologies aided by none of his authorities. Sometimes he tries to bolster his
terminologies using science; however readers! You must have found out already that
how “scientific” he is. As Einstein said, “Science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind”. There are instances that science cannot
even prove; like Evolution.
As it is clear;
we considered with care and have found much discrepancies and stupidities in
the Ali Sina’s article. This article is quite possibly the most asinine article ever written. There are hundreds of
statements made in the article that are absolutely wrong and yet there is
not a single claim that could not have been known by an ordinary people during the time present. In
fact we see that many men of atheists
were a lot more intelligent and more knowledgeable than Ali Sina.
Ali Sina said, “just
sow me one single miracle if you can and I withdraw all my charges”. I
have already shown several miracles in this document and many other Muslim
brothers have done it long before me. Let us see how Ali Sina keeps his words. Concerning
reward of $50,000, he should just keep this false claim to him self. I
challenge him in turn that he will never ever admit or accede to anyone’s coherent
arguments and vindications since he does not have any grounds to understand
except lame science who in itself is bounded.
Ali Sina:
Since Dr. Naik presented 22 out of many errors of the Bible…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp11.htm)
…be
able to answer to ONE of them.
Answer:
Readers! No list is required here, since his
entire paper is “erroneous” so it is illogical to waste time on making a list. And
in turn, he himself is proven hypocrite, charlatan and fraud in my paper. And I
am sure that you have already sustained how Ali Sina’s defile intellect works,
how he manipulates translations and meanings and how he mocks respected people
of any religion.
Conclusion
Ali Sina:
In the rebuttal part Dr. Campbell said:…
(http://www../debates/NaikCampbellp12.htm)
…tier
down his tower of cards.
Answer:
Readers! Ali Sina said in his argument that
Dr. William Campbell was honest when he admitted that he did not have answers
to the questions raised by Dr. Naik. I am in total agreement with Ali Sina but
with a slight change that Dr. Campbell had to be “honest” as he was
compelled by Dr. Naik.
I claim Dr. William
Campbell of being “dishonest” for following reasons:
1. Dr. Campbell was not honest when he composed
the book against Quran.
2. He was not honest when he presented his ruse
interpretations to public against Quran.
3. He did not confer with any authority for right
clarifications of his doubts before writing against Quran. This is dishonesty
indeed.
4. He did not perceive his own Bible for such
discrepancies, and put all the blame on Quran. This is dishonesty again.
5. Or if he knew inaptness of the Bible then he
withheld it from the public; dishonesty once again.
6. He was not well prepared for the speech and
it seemed that the matter he crafted was only meant to speak against Quran.
Dishonesty again.
7. He spoke 90% “against” Quran and 10% in “favor”
of Bible. Dishonesty again in allocating lopsided time to both subjects.
8. He dragged in “Prophecies” to the subject
matter, which is not related to science in order to swerve the concentration of
the people; dishonest to the topic and to public again.
9. Dr. Naik afforded his apology in advance if
his speech would hurt someone’s sentiments. No admission of guilt (before or
after) came from Dr. Campbell’s side as if he did not care how Muslims would
feel after listening false claims against Quran. He portrayed himself a true
dishonest person.
10. He had to be “honest” in the end; otherwise
there was no way out besides undertaking the defeat. There is no way, one can
refute what had unearthed by Dr. Naik in his speech concerning incongruity of the
Bible, no matter if you stand on your head, bend your brains, twist meanings,
or produce lame apologias. Making it short, even if you become Ali Sina you can
never ever refute those charges. Therefore, pretending to be honest only if
compelled by others; is dishonesty actually.
Readers! As you must have been sure now
after reading this paper that every word of Quran and what ever said by Dr.
Zakir Naik is true. It is just a matter of proper understanding and some
research. And also you must be sure that how Ali Sina presented his arguments
and what “tools” he had used to defend his uneven intellect in his paper. Dr.
Campbell fooled audience by his speech and Ali Sina acknowledged that by his
paper.
Ali Sina said, “However, Dr. Campbell,
in my view is the winner of this debate. That is because Dr. Campbell proved to
be an honest man, a true scholar. He knows the difference between truth and
falsehood”. Oh yeah! Readers! Please refer to my points of “dishonesty”
above. “A true scholar”! Was Ali Sina drunk again? Dr. Campbell did not even
know about his own book “Bible” and Ali Sina is calling him a true scholar.
Such a laughable connotation!
Yes, one has to stand on his head to call
Dr. Campbell a winner in this debate. This kind of intellect may be acceptable
in Ali Sina’s cult of Golden rule, however not in this world of logical understanding.
Dr. Campbell unequivocally confessed and accepted his defeat by uttering publicly
that he was not competent enough to answer Dr. Naik’s accusations against Bible,
and this is unchangeable recorded truth. Where as Dr. Naik made a statement
publicly that he has refuted “EACH AND EVERY” claim of Dr. Campbell and there
nothing left to refute. Readers! Who is the winner now? Surely Dr. Naik is.
Readers! I would like you all to promote
this paper, this way we can unearth the lies of stupid Ali Sina. “Let us
prove that truth is more powerful. Let truth shatter his lies and bring up his “hidden
truth”.
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