As I mentioned in my previous rebuttal, Sam Shamoun is a deceiver who is fond on
limiting his reader to read the Truth. If you notice throughout all of his absurd
"responses", he unlinked all of the links that
I provided to the reader. This is both unethical and
cowardly. If Shamoun truly didn't fear my articles, he wouldn't have unlinked
them. Like I mentioned, it is up to the reader to decide and not up to him.
Now Shamoun the coward might utter more lies by saying that he is trying to prevent the
reader from straying away from the subject, or that he wants to prevent me from confusing
the reader. This would only further prove that he is not only a liar, but also very
disrespectful to his readers' intellects, because the
readers don't need weasels like him to tell them what to read and what not to read. Also in this case, the liar himself should not also provide any
links of his either. It should go both ways if he cares about being honest.
Also by the way, as the reader can clearly see, all of my links are relevant to the topic.
I personally always keep his links. I am not afraid of the lies that he believes
in. They are nothing but lies and my job here is to debunk them and expose them to
the fullest! But I just find it quite ridiculous that Shamoun eliminates for his
reader the comfort to have the capacity and the freedom to read the points that he/she
feels necessary to be elaborated on, through removing all of my links in his so-called
"rebuttals".
Anyway, let's move on with his article....
He wrote:
The Holy Spirit in Christianity and Islam [Part 2]
Here is the second part of our
response to Osama’s paper on the Spirit’s identity.
When we last left Osama, he accused the God of the Holy Bible of lying. Here, we want
to show that it isn’t the Holy God of the Bible who lies, but the god of Islam who
does:
But they (the Jews) were crafty, and God was crafty, for God is the best of crafty
ones! When God said, 'O Jesus! I will make Thee die and take Thee up again to me and
will clear thee of those who misbelieve, and will make those who follow thee above those
who misbelieve, at the day of judgment, then to me is your return. I will decide between
you concerning that wherein ye disagree. S. 3:54-55 Palmer
And:
And when those who misbelieve were crafty with thee to detain thee a prisoner, or kill
thee, or drive thee forth; they were crafty, but God was crafty too, for God is best of
crafty ones! S. 8:30 Palmer
The word for crafty is makr which, according to Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M.
Ayoub, means deceitfulness or dishonesty. (Ayoub, The Quran and Its Interpreters: The
House of Imran [1992 State University of New York Press, Albany], Volume II, p. 165;
bold emphasis ours)
After listing several Muslim sources, Ayoub quotes ar-Razi as saying that,
"scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil.
It is not possible to attribute deception to God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat
[multivalent words of the Quran]." (Ibid., p. 166; bold and italic emphasis ours)
Ayoub even mentions one Muslim who actually boasted that Allah was the best conniver,
deceiver, schemer etc. Ayoub cites renowned Muslim commentator al-Qurtubi’s comments
that some scholars viewed the words "best of schemers" as one of God’s
beautiful names! Ayoub writes,
Thus one would pray, "O Best of Schemers, scheme for me!" Qurtubi also
reports that Muhammad used to pray, "O God, scheme for me, and do not scheme against
me!" (Qurtubi, IV, pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366). (Ibid., p.
166)
Osama may argue that specific words such as makr do not have their normal
meaning when used of Allah. The problem with this is that it ignores passages of the Quran
where it shows Allah actually deceiving mankind, i.e. Allah deceived people into thinking
that Jesus was crucified when he really wasn’t (Cf. surah 4:157).
Osama may further respond that Allah didn’t deceive mankind, since he has clearly
informed believers what actually transpired during Jesus’ final moments on earth. The
problem with this argument is that Allah’s so-called "revelation" is
approximately 600 years too late. Christians, Jews and pagans had to wait for the advent
of Muhammad before being told by Allah that Jesus was not crucified. And in addition, this
"correction" was made in such an untrustworthy way, and given with such
ambiguous language, that today there are still billions of Christians, Jews and atheists
who believe in Christ’s crucifixion, due to the Quran failing to make a credible and
clear case for its position. In fact, there are even some Muslims such as the Ahmadiyyas
who do not believe that the Quran is really denying that Christ was crucified. They
believe that the Quran is denying that Christ died by crucifixion. They assert that
he was crucified but survived!
My response:
Satan was part of the trinity
(Ezekiel 28:13-19),
then got
subtracted
(-1):
Satan. GOD expresses how regretful He is that all of
the Glory that He has created for and given to Satan will no longer be given to him. It was now
given to a lesser
second-hand, Jesus, whom otherwise would've received none of it. Jesus was GOD's plan B not A.
perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the
Word of GOD. 2. Glorious. 3. "the chosen one". 4. The "Anointed". 5. ruler over earth. 6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD.
Question to every polytheist
trinitarian pagan:
If Jesus replaced Satan, then:
1- How can Jesus be our Creator?
2- How can Satan be part of a
trinity?
3- How can Jesus be given the glory
that was created for and given to satan, not Jesus, and Jesus still be
considered our Creator?
4- How come
Satan was the primary and Jesus was
secondary?
Of course, there is no Trinity, and
Satan was not subtracted from any
Trinity. The above exposes the lie of
trinity; a word that does not even exist in any of the Jewish and Christian
scriptures (Bibles and outside Bibles). Also, since we have
Even Michael, the chief angel,
did not dare to
insult the devil.
Using the polytheist trinitarian pagans' illogic, satan was
indeed a Mighty Member of the Barfinity, but then got subtracted. And
since satan was subtracted, then Jesus could've also gotten himself subtracted
when satan made Jesus covet the sins of the world
for 40 days and 40 nights. Do you see now how blasphemous and stupid
Christianity is?
Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit
Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.
Four false promises made by Jesus
regarding the Holy Spirit:
Jesus' confusing hyperboles and riddles, incoherent and oxymoronic language that falsely turned sinful into lawful and lawful into sinful (ex: pork became lawful, polygamy became sinful and many other
examples of blasphemies and quackery) definitely make him a 100% GOd-sent
lying spirit in Matthew 7:22-23.
1- Your
sperma (Greek for sperm) will not cause you to sin fornication or adultery or masturbation if you
have enough Holy Spirit in you. So why then did you amputate your own
testicles and head of penis Jesus? Why did you
castrate and emasculate
yourself? You had no need for this. Who on this planet could've had
more Holy Spirit in him than you? Or were you also drunk when you uttered
this lie?
The NT calls Jesus a fat drunk"gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34).
Jesus was addicted to alcohol. Jesus commanded to
amputate your sinful body parts (cut off hand, penis, pluck eyes, etc...). Paul said amputated flesh gets
sent to satan. Were you someone's boyfriend Jesus? Or were you someone's girlfriend? Why did you amputate your Holy Divine Genitals (??) and send them to satan?
And why did you then keep your eyes??
Also Jesus, why are your churches, even
from the times of Paul, were and are still are notorious in sexual assaults and
rapes?
Paul also
commanded women to not
exposesex
predators
in
1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11–13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1
Corinthians 2:15 and other
passages.
Even the 12th disciple was chosen by rolling
the dice (casting lots), - a game of chance, - and not by the Holy
Spirit.Their
books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most
Bibles theologians.
They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why
was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι)
and forgiving to Jesus in Luke
2:52?
Matthew 7:22-23: GOD
sent Jesus to
be Christianity's lying
spirit
Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.
2- If a snake bites you and runs
its poison through your blood, it will not hurt you (Mark 16:17-18). Jesus even promised in the plural that you will be picking up deadly snakes and they will inject their poisons into you and you shall not be harmed!. This false prophesy is one of the NT's biggest lies, because it never happened. Not only that, but all Christians who genuinely attempted it in the past were killed by the snakes' poisons.
Furthermore, the NT's writers lied when they said Paul was bit by a poisonous snake and was not hurt when he was in Malta (Acts 28:7–10). There are many problems with this:
1- Paul is a single person. Jesus' bold promise was in the plural. "The believers shall pick up poisonous snakes, and if anyone gets bit by a poisonous snake and have the poison run through their blood, the poison shall not harm any believer!". Well, historically all who genuinely picked up died from poison.
2- It's been proven that many non-venomous snakes existed in Malta. Some even look like Vipers. So there is not proof that Paul's snake was a poisonous one:
"Four species of snakes are present (in the wild) in the Maltese Islands of which three are relatively recent additions. The only indigenous snake is the Western Whip Snake Coluber viridiflavus which is a non-poisonous species. The other three, namely Algerian Whipsnake Coluber algirus, Leopard Snake Elaphe situla and Cat Snake Telescopus fallax have been introduced by man. Of these only the latter has some form of poison. Although snakes appear in the archaeological context (eg. the stone slab in Mus of Archaeology of Gozo - from ggantija, which has a snake on its side) this does not imply that they were poisonous. On the other hand, poisonous species such as Natrix natrix which occurs in nearby Sicily may have been eradicated by man through time." (Source)
3- Jesus' promise dismally fails, and it is one of the most embarrassing lies, and most dangerous to its followers, in the New Testament, which again and again proves that Jesus was indeed a GOD-sent
lying spirit as GOD Almighty deceived false people in the Old Testament.
Four times
Jesus
was
ignorant
about Torah:
1-
No one ever ascended to Heaven before (John
3:13-14).
Yet, both Elijah and Enoch did in their physical bodies (2
Kings 2:11, Genesis 5:24).
Where did Enoch and Elijah go to?
John 3:13-14 13
No one has
ascended to heaven except He who descended from heaven, even the Son of
Man who is in heaven.
14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son
of Man be lifted up,
2 Kings 2:11
11 As they continued walking and talking, a chariot of fire and horses of fire
separated the two of them, and Elijah
went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
Genesis 5:24
24 Enoch walked with God,
and then he was no more because
God took him.
Again,
where did Enoch and Elijah go to?
Jesus' statement is simply
a lie. He didn't know that Elijah, Enoch and others (ex: Uzair or Ezra) were taken up to
Heaven by GOD Almighty. Was he also here a
fat drunk as the NT says he was? Jesus here added Elijah and Enoch to the 39+ list of barfinity (trinity), because we now have Elijah, Enoch and Jesus as their own trinity.
Moses was scared to even pass the Judgment:
2-
It was always allowed for the Jews to do work on the Sabbath. Yet, a good
man was commanded by GOD Almighty to be
put to death
because he collected wood on the Sabbath. Moses, Aaron and the Priests
were
scared to pass unjust judgment
on the man. Moses had to go up to Yahweh Almighty Himself to ask him
specifically about the man. Yahweh ordered Moses to put him to death.
3-
Jesus didn't know that
Jewish landlords who own farms
were
not allowed
to reap 100% of their harvest. They had to leave the corners for the
random passing by needy people from both foreigners and locals, irrespective of
what day it is in the week, to eat from. Sabbath was included. Yet,
Jesus conceded that his disciples were in violation of the Sabbath because they
were eating from the farm on the Sabbath. Was he also here a fat drunk as the NT says he was, and as a result forgot this Torah Law?
4-
The Messiah will be buried deep in the heart of the earth for three days and
three nights. Yet, this doesn't exist anywhere in the Jewish Torah, and
ironically, it never happened to Jesus
either. The Romans had to pull the plug on his crucifixion after only 3
hours on the cross because of the Jewish Passover festival, which brought 1/2
million Jewish pilgrims to Jerusalem. The Romans had to bring him down
quickly to prevent untellable chaos. The soldiers were even denied to eat
their meals
due to lack of time.
Jesus laid on the floor in a cave-like structure (a tomb), received medical
treatment from the women, and then got up and left on the third day. He
never even made it to the third night. He also was never buried in any
coffin or underground. He laid on the floor. And he never died to even
resurrect from death.
The Romans had to
fake his crucifixion due
to Passover issues:
Jesus' confusing hyperboles and riddles, incoherent and oxymoronic language that falsely turned sinful into lawful and lawful into sinful (ex: pork became lawful, polygamy became sinful and many other
examples of blasphemies and quackery) definitely make him a 100% GOd-sent
lying spirit in Matthew 7:22-23.
3- You can
lift mountains and throw them in the sea with only
one command only if you had the Holy Spirit in you. Not even Jesus,
with all of his glory and sperms, was able to do this miracle.
4- Jesus
promised the disciples that after he departs it will not be them
speaking. It will be the Holy Spirit will be speaking through their
mouths. Yet, after he departed, they split into Peter and Paul opposing
teams, and they started hurling insults and accusations towards each others'
teachings, and calling each others: Anathema (cursed by GOD in Greek), follower
of Satan, your Gospel is of the devil, you are a false apostle, you are dogs,
and several other serious accusations and insults.
Where was the promised
Holy Spirit in all of this, and all of the above??
Where is Jesus' promise??
- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them. - They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues. -
1 Corinthians 7:40 Paul wasn't sure if he had the Holy Spirit in him or not. He said "I think I have the Holy Spirit". - Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved.
- They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic, your gospel is from satan!
[1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says
most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in
Luke 2:52:?
Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?
Remember:
If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:
Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other
thrones besides Jesus'.
Virgin Mary is being
Jesus further says: The only unforgivable sin is
blaspheming the Holy Spirit (Luke 12:10). But your entire package that is called the NT
and church is the greatest insult and blasphemy against GOD Almighty's
Holy Spirit. It is like a prostitute
preaching, and while continuing to prostitute, that the one unforgivable sin is
fornication. How many times did you fornicate and continue to fornicate?
How many times did you lie on the Holy Spirit and continued to lie on the Holy
Spirit of GOD Almighty? Were you also a fat drunk
in this one?
John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, was greater than Jesus. The NT calls Jesus a fat drunk"gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34). Jesus was addicted to alcohol:
Matthew 11:19 (NIV) 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”
Luke 7:34 (NIV) 34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’
"But wisdom is proved right by her deeds"? What but wisdom is there when people see you drunk and stuffing your face and mouth with food like your life depended on it? And what Wisdom is there in drinking and being drunk when Yahweh Almighty Himself, your GOD, despises it
? Hypocrisy and being false, and just wanting to be opposite, are now Wisdom? What
horrible health advice and butt-wisdom are you giving when you allow enjoying
alcohol consumption? People witnessed you regularly getting addicted and drunk. Did not your
toilet spirit teach you that alcohol seriously damages the human body?
Of course it never did! (See
Holy Spirit of Islam, and alcohol is
forbidden in Islam)
High Concentrations and Intoxication:
Was Jesus also drunk when he decided to
castrate and emasculate himself? Yes, according to early Christians' writings, Jesus amputated his testicles and the head of his penis. Was the barfing christ drunk?? It is nearly impossible for addicts to remain sober, and to genuinely think and speak responsibly. All of that holy sh*t and sacred piss revealed from him had high concentrations of alcohol in them. This explains Jesus' ample
confusing and oxymoronic riddles in the NT that turned sinful into lawful and lawful into sinful (ex: pork became lawful; polygamy became sinful and many other examples). He was not clear-headed (sober). He was high on ample pooping and peeing himself alcoholic wisdom. Jesus was also
verbally abusive. Was he walking down the streets at 2:00 am shouting and screaming insults at everyone while being drunk? And again, was he pooping and peeing himself with some alcohol-heavy holy sh*t and sacred piss?
People also called him out on his lack of hygiene problems. Jesus had disregard for personal hygiene (Matthew 15:1-2, Mark 7:1-5). He emphasized that the outside filth is totally irrelevant. He probably showered a lot less, had a stench for body odor, and was lice infested in his beard and hair, and throughout his clothes and body. See what Islam says about personal hygiene. Being physically smelly and filthy is satanic according to the Glorious Quran. Jesus (the false Jesus of the NT, not the true Isa of Islam) and GOD are Heaven and Hell apart in this. The NT also says GOD considers John the Baptist great because he never drank alcohol.
Yahweh despised Jesus' wisdom:
Jesus: It is wisdom to drink, get drunk and barf for the sake of appeasing hypocrites and infidels. I am powerless and desperate and want to commit this sin. After all, satan also made me covet the sins of the world for 40 days and 40 nights. I was between him and GOD during this period. That was another wisdom.
Yahweh: You would not be a great person, nor pleasing to GOD if you drink alcohol. You drink alcohol you would not be pleasing to GOD, nor would you be considered a great person by GOD.
GOD despised Jesus' hypocritical wisdom that appeased evil and displeased GOD (Luke 1:15).
for he (John the Baptist) will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.
So according to the New Testament itself, we have:
Is John the Baptist another member of the
barfinity?
First of all, I never said that GOD Almighty was a liar. Sam Shamoun is notorious
in fabricating lies and insulting his readers' intellects by hopelessly trying to pass
gibberish nonsense on them in a hope that they believe him. In my previous rebuttal to his first
absurd "response", I wrote the following in the very last paragraph of the
article:
Again, it is more than obvious that I was talking about metaphoric and figurative speech in the
bible. I even linked the article where the verses were mentioned.
Ironically, because of your utter failure to respond to the irrefutable samples that I
provided about the metaphoric speech in the bible, you not only purposely avoided to
address them and interact with them in front of the reader, but very laughably went ahead
and unlinked my link so that the reader wouldn't see the article at all! Hilarious
indeed!
As the reader clearly sees, I am not afraid to link to any of the links you provide.
It is only fair and ethical to show the reader the other side's full arguments.
It is up to the reader to decide and not up to
you.
At any rate, in the light of all of the evidence that I provided above from both the
Noble Quran and the Bible, it is beyond doubt that the Holy Spirit is:
1- A Creation of GOD Almighty.
2- Works only under the Command of GOD
Almighty.
3- Is under GOD Almighty and is not part
of Him.
Anything else beyond this is clear blasphemy!
Now in regards to the nonsense that he uttered above, GOD Almighty is the Creator of
all things, He can Decide and Choose as He Pleases without Judgement. He Treats His
enemies from mankind with what they deserve. He Chooses whom He Wants to
lead astray and whom He Wants Lead to the Right Path. He is GOD
Almighty and no one has the right to question any of His Divine and Holy Decisions.
Now in regards to Jesus' so-called crucifixion lie, Allah Almighty Never made any lie.
Allah Almighty Saved Jesus from the snare and evil
of the Jews.
The Early Christians' Doctrines claimed that Jesus never got
crucified:
Also, the early christians' doctrines during the 1st and 2nd centuries declared that
Jesus never got crucified! To the reader, please visit the following links for clear
proofs and elaborations:
The early Christians rejected
Trinity. Early Christians had major problems and disagreements about
who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified or not.
Hebrews 5:7-8
confirm Islam's claim about Jesus never got crucified and contradicts the Bible!According to the documentary film, "Banned
from the Bible", which I watched on the History Channel, some of Saint Peter's apocalypse were banned from the
current Bible, and these Epistles contain what Islam claims - that Jesus didn't get
crucified on the cross and it only appeared that he was. This banned part
also says that Jesus was standing next to the cross laughing. These are the
parts of the Bible that only few people in the world know about.
According to the documentary film, the apocalypse was very popular among
Christians during the 2nd century. They believed "it was spiritually
inspired" by GOD Almighty to Saint Peter. They actually had doubts
about "John's apocalypse", which is known today as "the Book of
Revelation". Interestingly also, this apocalypse says that after GOD
Almighty fills both Heaven and Hell with inhabitants from Mankind, and the people of Hell
get tortured for a long period of time, the People of Heaven will ask and Pray to GOD
Almighty to Forgive the people of Hell. GOD Almighty will then eventually listen to
their Prayers, and will order the "Gates and the Steel Bars of Hell"
to be opened and allow the people of Hell to enter Heaven for Good. This apocalypse of
Peter seems to also perfectly fit Noble Verse 7:40 in the
Noble Quran where Allah Almighty Promised that He will eventually open the Gates of Heaven
to all disbelievers and empty Hell. Please visit: Hell will eventually be empty according to Islam.
Did Isaiah 53 really
prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus?
It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross. I
also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified,
since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single
bone be broken. My question to all Christians is: How in the
world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to
the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46,
Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the
Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion. I proved that this dogma has no truth
what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10. I also showed in Isaiah 52:13 "...he will be
raised and lifted up....", which clearly and
perfectly agrees with Islam about Jesus never died on the cross. "Raised
and lifted" suggests that Jesus will be picked up right from the cross, or saved
right from the cross by Allah Almighty. It suggests that Jesus will not die, nor get
crucified, but rather be raised and lifted by GOD Almighty to Heavens.
Luke 11
2 He said to them, "When you pray, say: " 'Father,
hallowed be your name, your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread.
4 Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And
lead us not into temptation.' "
5 Then he said to them, "Suppose one of you has a friend, and he goes to him at
midnight and says, 'Friend, lend me three loaves of bread,
2- "Thou Shalt not kill" -- OR-- "Kill all the children and non-virgin women!"
One of the Bible's 10 basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus
20:13)." Yet, we see GOD Almighty
Commanding His servants to not only kill the enemy's men, but also the innocent children
and non-virgin women who have not done anything to anyone:
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill
every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who
has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"
If Exodus 20:13 was supposed to be the basic pillar that
prevents the Bible followers from committing murders against innocent people, then how is Numbers 31:17-18 justified then when GOD Almighty Himself nullified
His own Commands and decided to kill innocent children and virgin girls perhaps by the
thousands?
It is most ironic that GOD Almighty
prohibited ordinary murders but supposedly allowed massacres to be done by the mass!!
Did you Know:
Extreme fundamentalists and racists from among the Christians such as Pat Robertson and
George W. Bush who could careless about who dies and who doesn't in wars from innocent
people are WELL KNOWN FOR THEIR CARELESSNESS about the deaths of innocent civilians?
The 100s of thousands of innocent Iraqis that died in the previous Persian Gulf
wars [1]
[2]
[3], and the deformed Iraqi children
from the US' Deplete Uranium bombs clearly and irrefutably prove this.
Also, we must not forget that the biggest blood sheds and terrorism that took place
throughout the world happened by Christians. World Wars I and II prove this.
The white Christian race would literally wipe out nations out of the face of the earth if
their interests are threatened.
We also must not forget about the African slaves who were forcefully brought to the US
by the Europeans and were forced to embrace the polytheist trinitarian pagan christianity
to at least earn their freedom.
Last and most definitely not least, we must not forget about the Native Americans (Red
Indians) and how the white Christian man literally killed more than 90% of their
population throughout the lands.
The white Christian
man is the biggest terrorist this world ever known!!
5- Jesus compromised
his own teachings regarding Prayers. He commanded his followers to Pray in a certain
way and he then compromised it by bowing down to GOD Almighty. He only prostrated to
GOD Almighty once during his most desperate times with his face down to the ground, while
we Muslims do it everyday in our 5-daily set of Prayers. He also did the "vain repetitions"ENDLESSLY
all night long while he prohibited his followers from doing it.
The article is too long to post here. Therefore, please visit:
Islam is the only solution and salvation! It's funny that even the Jesus of the
corrupt bible prayed to GOD Almighty as we Muslims do by prostrating his face down to the
ground before GOD Almighty. The difference between the Jesus of the bible and the
Muslims, however, is that we Muslims Glorify and Honor GOD Almighty through prostrating to
Him at least in 5-daily sets of Prayers everyday. The Jesus of the corrupt bible on
the other hand was a hypocrite who only bowed down to GOD Almighty once during his most
desperate times. Jesus' previous teachings of "prayers" to his followers
obviously did not Glorify and Honor GOD Almighty to the fullest, nor did they
mean much to Jesus when he desperately needed GOD Almighty. They were
the first to be compromised by him. Quite ludicrous indeed!
6- Abrogation in Adultery punishment in the
Bible!
According to the Mosaic Law, the punishment for adultery and coveting your
neighbor's wife is death:
"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both
the man who slept with her and the woman MUST DIE. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:22)"
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the
wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to
death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus
20:10)"
"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You
shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his
ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 20:17)"
Let us now look at what David did with his neighbor's wife in the Bibles:
"One evening David got up from his bed and walked
around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing.
The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said,
'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the WIFE of Uriah the Hittite?'
Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept
with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back
home. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Samuel 11:2-4)"
Here is how David was punished!
2 Samuel 12:7-8
7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man! This is what the
LORD , the God of Israel, says: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from
the hand of Saul.
8 I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you
the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you
even more. .............
2 Samuel 12:12-14
12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight
before all Israel.' " 13 Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD ."
Nathan replied, "The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die.
14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die."
How come David wasn't Commanded to be put to death by GOD Almighty? Instead, the
child died instead of David. I wonder how the missionaries would've barked about
this story if it were in the Noble Quran instead of their X-Rated Pornographic Bible, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and
brothers can "suck" their sisters' and lovers' privates.
The Noble Quran WOULD'VE been "wrong" if
Prophet Muhammad INSTEAD
was forgiven from such sin!
By the way, our beloved
and blessed Prophet NEVER EVER committed any such or similar sin!
We now
must ask Shamoun,
Using your
standards and absurd logic above, is the GOD
of the corrupted bible a liar too?
He wrote:
The Quran also says that Allah deceived Muslims!
When Allah showed them to you in your dream as few; and if He had shown them to you
as many you would certainly have become weak-hearted and you would have disputed about the
matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is in the breasts. And
when He showed them to you, when you met, as few in your eyes and He made you to appear
little in their eyes, in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be
done, and to Allah are all affairs returned. S. 8:43-44 Shakir
Allah is said to have shown the opposing fighting forces as few to Muhammad since, if
he had shown him their actual numbers, the Muslims would have been afraid to fight. Allah
had to use deception in order to encourage Muslims to fight in his cause! The late
Abdullah Yusuf Ali notes:
The Muslim army, though they knew their worldly disadvantage, did not realise the
full odds against them. The Meccans came exulting in any case, and they despised the
contemptible little force opposed to them. Even though they thought the Muslim force was
twice as great as it was (iii. 13), still this number was contemptible, when taken with
its poor equipment. Both these psychological mistakes subserved the main Plan, which was
to bring the matter to a decisive issue, whether the Pagans of Mecca were to continue
their arrogant oppression, of the religion of God was to be established in freedom and
honour. (Ali, The Holy Qur’an, Translation and Commentary, p. 426, fn. 1214;
underlined emphasis ours)
The above citations make it clear that Allah, not Yahweh God of the Holy Bible, is the
one who lies.
My response:
Again:
We now
must ask Shamoun,
Using your
standards and absurd logic above, is the GOD
of the corrupted bible a liar too?
He wrote:
Osama cites a number of passages that show the Holy Spirit came upon people besides the
Lord Jesus, and then concludes:
So if Jesus is GOD because the Holy Spirit came
upon him, then the others mentioned above should also be GOD Almighty too.
RESPONSE:
It is obvious that Osama is distorting what the actual Christian position is, since we
are not aware of any informed Christian, or Christian source, that claims that Jesus is
God because the Spirit came upon him. Now Osama can show us our error by producing such a
statement.
Even if Osama is able to show that there are Christians who use this argument, or
believe this, he would only be proving that there are, unfortunately, some misinformed
Christians, as there are misinformed Muslims.
To begin with, Jesus is God since this is what he is by nature. God is not God because
he does certain things, or simply because he says so. If God exists (and he does), then he
has always existed as God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). God’s actions do not make him God, but are the result of
him being God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Thus, Jesus’ actions do not make him God, but are the result of Christ
being fully God in nature.
My response:
I've had christians before use this silly argument in their debates with me. That
is why I wrote an article about the Holy Spirit coming down upon people in the bible. Now, if
Jesus was truly GOD Almighty, then he wouldn't need the Holy Spirit to come down unto him
to Guide him. It would be useless and pointless for him to have it, wouldn't it?
In fact, not only Jesus was guided by the Holy Spirit, but also, the Spirit of Fearing
GOD Almighty was also installed in Jesus:
Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a
Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of
wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge
and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus
fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his
eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;
Ironically,
Shamoun uttered the following:
"God is not God because he does certain things, or simply because he says so."
My response:
"Or simply because he says so"? Before we see what Jesus in the NT
supposedly said regarding GOD Almighty, let me first ask Shamoun: Who gave
you the authority to set this ludicrous standard up anyway? Ironically, the
Old Testament clearly refutes
Shamoun's laughable invention about "GOD's Characteristics":
"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I,
the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of
the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 5:9)"
"for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a
jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from
the face of the land. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy
6:15)"
"he said to him, "I am the LORD
. Tell Pharaoh king of Egypt everything I tell you." (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 6:29)"
"So Moses and Aaron said to all the Israelites, "In the
evening you will know that it was the LORD who brought you out of Egypt,
(From the NIV Bible, Exodus 16:6)"
"They will know that I am the LORD their God,
who brought them out of Egypt so that I might dwell among them. I am the LORD their God.
(From the NIV Bible, Exodus 29:46)"
"I am the LORD who brought you up
out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 11:45)"
There are tons and tons of examples that I can provide about GOD Almighty Glorifying
Himself and Bragging about Himself in the Old Testament!
So Shamoun's
laughable absurdity about "GOD is not GOD because He does Miracles or because He Says
so" is soundly debunked in the OT.
Let us now see what Jesus said regarding GOD Almighty. The
Bible's New Testament records Jesus saying: ""Why
do you call me good?" Jesus
answered. "No one is good–except God alone."
(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
If Jesus doesn't
consider himself as "good", then how can any sane
person put him on the same level as GOD
Almighty?
I have yet to see a good
answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.
Also, another important point to notice in Mark 10:18 is the word "alone":
""Why do you call me good?"
Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."
(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said
"alone". If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie
was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.
One of the actions resulting from Jesus being God in nature is that Christ pours out
the Holy Spirit upon believers (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). The Lord Jesus gives believers the Holy Spirit for
salvation and sanctification, a divine act that God alone can do:
"Now John was clothed with camel's hair and wore a leather belt around his waist
and ate locusts and wild honey. And he preached, saying, ‘After me comes he who is
mightier than I, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. I
have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.’
Mark 1:6-8
"Jesus answered her, ‘If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is
saying to you, "Give me a drink," you would have asked him, and HE WOULD HAVE
GIVEN YOU LIVING WATER.’ … Jesus said to her, ‘Everyone who drinks of
this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I WILL GIVE HIM
will never be thirsty forever. The water that I WILL GIVE HIM will become in him a spring
of water welling up to eternal life.’" John 4:10, 13-14
The living water that the Lord gives is the Holy Spirit:
"On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out,
‘If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the
Scripture has said, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."’ Now
this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as
yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." John 7:37-39
"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you
forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees
him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. … But the
Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME, he will teach you all
things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:16-17, 26
"But when the Helper comes, whom I WILL SEND TO YOU from the Father, the
Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me. And you also
will bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning." John 15:26-27
"Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for
if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I WILL SEND HIM TO
YOU. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and
judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness,
because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because
the ruler of this world is judged. I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot
bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for
he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will
declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what
is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he
will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15
In these Helper passages, Jesus says that the Father grants the Spirit as a result of
Christ’s prayer, on the basis of Jesus’ name or authority. Jesus will therefore
return to heaven, and once there, send the Spirit to his followers.
"And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, ‘Receive
the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you withhold
forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.’" John 20:22-23
Jesus’ breathing on the disciples is reminiscent of God breathing life into the
first man:
"then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his
nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." Genesis 2:7
My response:
Part I:
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Guidance and Light. We all agree on that.
It doesn't make neither Jesus or the Holy Spirit as part of GOD Almighty for having the
Holy Spirit being the Spirit of Guidance and Truth. Again, Allah Almighty Said:
"Raised high above ranks (or degrees), (He is) the Lord of
the Throne (of Authority): by His Command doth He send the Spirit (of
inspiration) to any of His servants he pleases, that it may warn (men) of the
Day of Mutual Meeting,- (The Noble Quran, 40:15)"
"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels
will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by
(God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right. (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"
"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The
Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways
of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the
measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience
of beautiful (contentment). (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"
"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by
God's permission, on every errand: (The
Noble Quran, 97:4)"
"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the
earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an
account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will
come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of
righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love. (The
Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"
Part II:
The book of man alteration and corruption, the New Testament, is in grave contradiction
regarding Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). As I proved with ample evidence from the bible theologians
themselves, the Bibles:
1- Was written by third-party people who
were also mysterious. It is a fact that the current bible was not written by the
Prophets of GOD Almighty.
2- The translations of the bible today are
controversial.
3- The bible contains both unanswerable
textual and logical errors.
4- In regards to the book of John that
Shamoun used above, the book itself was not even written by Saint John himself either.
The following links contain the irrefutable proofs and quotes from the bible's
theologians themselves and quotes from the bible that prove my claims above:
Just who
were the real authors of the Bible? Today's
Books and Gospels' authors of the Bible are UNKNOWN. See the comments from the NIV Bible itself! Also
includes detailed refutations and exposing of Paul's lies. See Paul's section in the
article. It also includes proofs about the New Testament was written in the 4th century by Constantine and his council by their own words. It wasn't written by Jesus and his
original Disciples.
Interestingly, the Quran cites a Christian apocryphal story where Jesus is portrayed as
having the very breath of life by which he makes things come alive:
to be a Messenger to the Children of Israel saying, "I have come to you with a
sign from your Lord. I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then
I will breathe into it, and it will be a bird, by the leave of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). I will also heal
the blind and the leper, and bring to life the dead, by the leave of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). I will
inform you too of what things you eat, and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely in
that is a sign for you, if you are believers (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him)." S. 3:49
When God said, "Jesus Son of Mary, remember My blessing upon thee and upon thy
mother, when I confirmed thee with the Holy Spirit, to speak to men in the cradle, and of
age; and when I taught thee the Book, the Wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel; and when thou
createst out of clay, by My leave, as the likeness of a bird, and thou breathest into
it, and it is a bird, by My leave; and thou healest the blind and the leper by My
leave, and thou bringest the dead forth by My leave; and when restrained from thee
the Children of Israel when thou camest unto them with the clear signs, and the
unbelievers among them said, "This is nothing but sorcery manifest." S. 5:110
Thus, according to the Quran, the Spirit isn’t the only one who can create like
Allah, since Jesus can also!
Approximately ten days after Jesus’ ascension into heaven, the Holy Spirit was
poured out on the disciples of the Lord:
"When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And
suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the
entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and
rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to
speak in other tonguesas the Spirit gave them utterance… ‘This Jesus
God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand
of God, and having received fromthe Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, HE
HAS POURED OUT this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.’" Acts
2:1-4, 32-33
The Lord Jesus performs a work and gives a gift which the OT scriptures say that Yahweh
performs and grants:
"For I will pour out water on the thirsty land And streams on the dry ground; I
will pour out My Spirit on your offspring And My blessing on your descendants;"
Isaiah 44:3
"‘I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out
My Spirit on the house of Israel,’ declares the Lord GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him)." Ezekiel 39:29
"You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God
and there is none else. And my people shall never again be put to shame. And it shall come
to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your
daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see
visions." Joel 2:27-28
To summarize, Jesus is not God because the Spirit was upon him, nor is he God because
he gives the Spirit to believers (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Rather, because Jesus is God he is able to give
believers the Holy Spirit. Jesus giving the Spirit is a result of him being God, it
doesn’t make him God.
First of all, Jesus created nothing! He raised an already created dead human body
from the dead, and made a bird through mud. But this was all done through the
Command and Will of GOD Almighty. It is important to know that ABSOLUTELY
none of Jesus' miracles were unique. Others in the Old Testament
are recorded to have done the same exact miracles:
"It is not fitting for a man that God should speak to him
except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger
to reveal, with God's permission, what God wills: for He is Most High, Most
Wise. (The Noble Quran, 42:51)"
............
Bringing the dead back to life:
"Then he cried out to the LORD , "O LORD my
God, have you brought tragedy also upon this widow I am staying with, by causing her son
to die?" Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and
cried to the LORD , "O LORD my God, let this boy's life return to him!" The
LORD heard Elijah's cry, and the boy's life returned to him, and he lived.
Elijah picked up the child and carried him down from the room into the house.
He gave him to his mother and said, "Look, your son is alive!"
(From the NIV Bible, 1 Kings 17:20-23)"
"But the child's mother said, "As surely as the LORD
lives and as you live, I will not leave you." So he got up and followed her.
Gehazi went on ahead and laid the staff on the boy's face, but there was no
sound or response. So Gehazi went back to meet Elisha and told him, "The boy has not
awakened." When Elisha reached the house, there was the boy lying
dead on his couch. He went in, shut the door on the two of them and
prayed to the LORD. Then he got on the bed and lay upon the boy, mouth to mouth,
eyes to eyes, hands to hands. As he stretched himself out upon him, the boy's body grew
warm. Elisha turned away and walked back and forth in the room and then got on the
bed and stretched out upon him once more. The boy sneezed seven times and
opened his eyes. Elisha summoned Gehazi and said, "Call the
Shunammite." And he did. When she came, he said, "Take your son." (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 4:30-36)"
Jesus' dead body never caused for any dead to come back to life, but
Elisha's did:
"Elisha died and was buried. Now Moabite raiders used
to enter the country every spring. Once while some Israelites were burying a man,
suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When
the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.
Hazael king of Aram oppressed Israel throughout the reign of Jehoahaz. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 13:20-22)"
Creating life:
Jesus only restored life, but never actually created one from scratch. Moses,
however, did create a live snake from a wooden stick:
"Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your
hand?" "A staff," he replied. The LORD said, "Throw it on
the ground." Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake,
and he ran from it. Then the LORD said to him, "Reach out your hand and take it
by the tail." So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned
back into a staff in his hand. (From the NIV Bible,
Exodus 4:2-4)"
Curing the blind:
"When the servant of the man of God got up and went out
early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city.
"Oh, my lord, what shall we do?" the servant asked. "Don't be
afraid," the prophet answered. "Those who are with us are more than those who
are with them." And Elisha prayed, "O LORD , open his eyes so he may
see." Then the LORD opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full
of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. As the enemy came down toward him,
Elisha prayed to the LORD , "Strike these people with blindness." So
he struck them with blindness, as Elisha had asked. Elisha told them,
"This is not the road and this is not the city. Follow me, and I will lead you to the
man you are looking for." And he led them to Samaria. After they entered the
city, Elisha said, "LORD , open the eyes of these men so they can
see." Then the LORD opened their eyes and they looked, and there they
were, inside Samaria. When the king of Israel saw them, he asked Elisha, "Shall
I kill them, my father? Shall I kill them?" "Do not kill them," he
answered. "Would you kill men you have captured with your own sword or bow? Set food
and water before them so that they may eat and drink and then go back to their
master." So he prepared a great feast for them, and after they had finished
eating and drinking, he sent them away, and they returned to their master. So the bands
from Aram stopped raiding Israel's territory. Some time later, Ben-Hadad king of
Aram mobilized his entire army and marched up and laid siege to Samaria. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 6:15-24)"
Healing leprosy:
"Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, "Go, wash
yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be
cleansed." But Naaman went away angry and said, "I thought that he would
surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the LORD his God, wave his hand
over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of
Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel? Couldn't I wash in them and be
cleansed?" So he turned and went off in a rage. Naaman's servants went to him
and said, "My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you
not have done it? How much more, then, when he tells you, 'Wash and be cleansed'!"
So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of
God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a
young boy. (From the NIV Bible, 2
Kings 5:10-14)"
Feeding hundreds with few loafs of bread:
"A man came from Baal Shalishah, bringing the man of God twenty
loaves of barley bread baked from the first ripe grain, along with some heads
of new grain. "Give it to the people to eat," Elisha said. "How
can I set this before a hundred men?" his servant asked. But
Elisha answered, "Give it to the people to eat. For this is what the LORD says: 'They
will eat and have some left over.' " Then he set it before them, and they ate
and had some left over, according to the word of the LORD. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 4:42-44)"
So as we clearly see from the above verses, Jesus' Miracles were
not unique. Therefore, they can never be used to prove that he is the Creator of the
Universe.
Part II:
In regards to the Holy Spirit "creating", like I mentioned in my first
rebuttal:
2- GOD Almighty Created "tools"
that He Uses. These tools are generally simplified and called as "Angels",
but there is more to them than just that. The creation of our human-spirits through
the Holy Spirit (as mentioned in the bible and the Noble Quran as shown below) does indeed
mean that the Holy Spirit have Great Attributes and Power according to us humans, but it doesn't automatically make it part of GOD Almighty.
Our human-spirits are nothing when compared to GOD Almighty. They're not even worth
a spit when compared to GOD Almighty. The trinitarians' blasphemous argument is
easily refuted, because just because the "tools" that
GOD Almighty Created do create us, it doesn't mean that they are GOD Almighty.
Here are some of the tools of GOD Almighty that bring us to existence:
(a)- The eggs and sperms of the mother and
father. The mother's egg and father's sperm "create" the human flesh.
It's not just the Holy Spirit that
"creates" humans.
(b)- The Holy Spirit blows into our
fetus-bodies our human-spirits (life):
"He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He
began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay, And made his progeny
from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised: But He fashioned him in due
proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you
(the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye
give! (The Noble Quran, 32:7-9)"
As we clearly see in these Noble Verses, Allah Almighty talked
about the beginning of the creation of Mankind (starting from Adam peace be upon him) and
repeating the cycle to all of us.
(c)- The material that makes up our
human-flesh all comes from our mother earth, through soil and water combined together
as the Noble Quran Claimed it and modern science today confirmed it.
Using Shamoun's absurd logic, this makes your parents, the Holy Spirit and our mother
earth all as part of GOD Almighty, since ALL OF THEM created you.
Basically in a nutshell,
to the polytheist trinitarian pagans, anything that is unseen to our human-eye and has Great Power, must be without doubt GOD Almighty Himself!
Very similar to
hinduism.
3- The Holy Spirit is a tool
used by GOD Almighty. It is a Creation by GOD Almighty. Our spirits like I
said above are nothing when compared to GOD Almighty, and hence, the Holy Spirit creating
them doesn't mean much.
Also:
Allah Almighty can not be defined. He is a metaphorically (not literally) a
Compound One. He Has:
It seems clear that Allah Almighty was Simplifying some of His Holy and Divine Attributes
to help us understand Him better. He may not necessarily have a face, mouth, teeth,
hair, legs, feet, rear end, penis, etc...
Our earthly bodies and their
characteristics are not Divine.
So to answer Shamoun's absurd comments above about GOD Almighty having a Spirit, yes He
definitely Has a metaphoric one (32:9, 38:72), but the comparison itself to our human-spirits is
degrading to GOD Almighty. Our human-spirits are created through the Holy Spirit,
and GOD Almighty Himself is fully independent from that:
"When you send your Spirit, they are created,
and you renew the face of the earth. (From the NIV
Bible, Psalm 104:30)"
"Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence? (From the NIV
Bible, Psalm 139:7)"
"Teach me to do your will, for you are my God; may
your good Spirit lead me on level ground. (From
the NIV Bible, Psalm 143:10)"
"But He fashioned him in due proportion, and
breathed into him something of His Spirit. And He gave you (the
faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!
(The Noble Quran, 32:9)"
"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and
breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him. (The Noble Quran, 38:72)"
"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and
breathed into him of My Spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him. (The Noble Quran, 15:29)"
"And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We
breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all
peoples. (The Noble Quran, 21:91)"
"And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity;
and We breathed into (her body) of Our Spirit; and she testified
to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout
(servants). (The Noble Quran, 66:12)"
That is why in the end, our spirits along with our bodies will be Judged by GOD
Almighty. Only GOD Almighty can Devastate our spirits in Hell, or Bless them in
Heaven. He is neither part of us nor part of the Holy Spirit:
"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels
will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted
by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right. (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"
"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The
Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways
of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the
measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience
of beautiful (contentment). (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"
"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by
God's permission, on every errand: (The Noble Quran, 97:4)"
"Not one of the beings
in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant.
He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone
of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work
deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love. (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"
Our spirits are of the Holy
Spirit, not of GOD Almighty.
The Holy Spirit, us, the Angels
and everything else ALL WORSHIP GOD Almighty.
He wrote:
3- The Holy Spirit is a Creation of GOD Almighty and it
is under Him just like the Angels:
Allah Almighty Said:
"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels
will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by (God)
Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.
(The
Noble Quran, 78:38)"
"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The Unbelievers, the which there is
none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways of Ascent. The Angels and
the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand
years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience of beautiful (contentment).
(The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"
"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on
every errand:
(The Noble Quran, 97:4)"
RESPONSE:
Again, not one of these passages says that the Spirit is a creation of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). This is
merely Osama’s wishful thinking. The Quran does explicitly mention the creation of
angels:
Or did We create the angels females, while they were witnesses? S. 37:150
The passage presupposes the creation of angels, that Allah created angels, but
didn’t create them as females. But nowhere does it ever say that the Spirit is a
creation.
I am assuming that since one of the passages speaks of the Spirit standing in ranks
alongside the angels, Osama somehow thinks that he is a creature. The problem for Osama is
that if this proves that the Spirit is a creature, than Allah must also be a creature
since he will stand in ranks with the angels:
"and thy Lord comes, and the angels rank on rank," S. 89:22
Osama may wish to say that the passage is referring to angels being in ranks, not
Allah. Unfortunately for Osama, that is not what the text says since it says that the Lord
and the angels will come together in ranks.
Furthermore, the Spirit standing in rank file with the angels, or that he must receive
permission, either proves that the Quran contradicts itself regarding the identity of the
Spirit, or that the Spirit is subject to Allah. Yet, being subject to Allah doesn’t
mean that the Spirit is not God, but that there is a hierarchy of authority amongst these
divine entities. In fact, this perfectly comports with the biblical teaching on the
Trinity, that the three Persons of God are fully equal in essence but are not necessarily
equal in rank or authority. There are levels of authority within the Godhead. Thus, the
Quran maybe teaching that between Allah and the Spirit, Allah has authority over his
Spirit without this implying that the latter isn’t God also. After all, we find
plenty examples where persons who are equal in nature are not necessarily equal in
position, i.e. husbands and wives, parents and children, employers and employees, masters
and slaves, some angels having authority over other angels etc.
So far, Osama hasn’t proven his position.
My response:
This is really ridiculous. It is clear that the polytheist trinitarian pagan is
desperate to prove his trinity by all cost. Allah Almighty doesn't have to mention
all of the beings that He Created in the Universe so we can prove that they are created
and are not part of Him. The
request itself is the dumbest nonsense I have ever seen!
Let me help the polytheist trinitarian pagan understand the Noble Quran better. Trinity has no place in Islam!
Allah Almighty is the Ultimate Ruler and Creator of all things. Everything in
this Universe that He Created must in the End come before Him, the Almighty, and bow down
to Him:
"Not one of the beings
in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a
servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath
numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of
Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious
bestow love. (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"
And again and again:
"The Day that the Spirit and the Angels
will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted
by (God) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right. (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"
"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The
Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways
of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the
measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience
of beautiful (contentment). (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"
"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit by
God's permission, on every errand: (The Noble Quran, 97:4)"
He wrote:
4- Why can't we call it GOD as trinitarians do?
First of all, it is important to know that satan's biggest lie, trinity, is only an
interpretation and a conclusion. There is not a single text in the Bible that says
the Holy Spirit is GOD Almighty, nor does that satanic word, trinity, even exist in the
Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). People during Constantine's days around year 325, because they were and still
are naturally inclined to idol worship, polytheism and paganism as the Far Eastern
religions are today, they decided to consider Jesus and the Holy Spirit as GOD Almighty.
Satan's deception and evil is overwhelming and powerful. It is no surprise
that people fell for this lie by the billions throughout history, as many more billions
had fell for satan's lies in the Far Eastern pagan religions. Trinity, like I said,
doesn't even exist in the bible. The word doesn't exist anywhere in the book, nor do
we have any text that says Jesus is the Creator of the Universe. The same also goes
for the Holy Spirit.
The reason why Muslims don't call the Holy Spirit as GOD Almighty is because it is just
a creation of GOD Almighty with specific and limited duties as I clearly demonstrated
above from the Noble Quran. Like the Angels and the other Universal Spirits, the
Holy Spirit is unknown to us and we can't fully describe it. But nonetheless, this
doesn't give anyone the right to start getting colorful and smart and deceive the
weak-minded and call it and other creations as GOD Almighty.
I have a long and detailed section that refutes the lie of
trinity from the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). It's best if you read it and see
the Truth for yourself.
RESPONSE:
Notice how Osama ends up contradicting himself. He says that the Holy Spirit is unknown
to him and cannot be fully described, and yet Osama seems to know enough to conclude that
the Holy Spirit isn’t God! Osama attacks the idea of the Trinity as a satanic lie,
but has failed to refute the biblical evidence proving the Trinity. He blasphemes the true
God solely on the basis of his erroneous, unproven assumption that the Trinity cannot be
true. We already presented one text that said that the Spirit is God, and here we would
like to cite another text which actually identifies the Spirit with Yahweh God:
"Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory
that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was
being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? For if
there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far
exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at
all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came
with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are
very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites
might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds
were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains
unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is
read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now
THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we
all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the
same image from one degree of glory to another." For this comes from the Lord WHO
IS THE SPIRIT." 2 Corinthians 3:7-18
Paul is reflecting on Moses’ encounter with Yahweh, where the former had to cover
his face from the light which emanated due to his communion with God:
"When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, with the two tablets of the testimony in
his hand as he came down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his
face shone because he had been talking with God. Aaron and all the people of Israel
saw Moses, and behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him.
But Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the leaders of the congregation returned to
him, and Moses talked with them. Afterward all the people of Israel came near, and he
commanded them all that the LORD had spoken with him in Mount Sinai. And when Moses had
finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face. Whenever Moses went in before
the LORD to speak with him, he would remove the veil, until he came out. And when he
came out and told the people of Israel what he was commanded, the people of Israel
would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face was shining. And Moses would put
the veil over his face again, until he went in to speak with him." Exodus
34:29-35
Paul is basically saying that the God whom Moses saw, the Lord who appeared to him was
the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Yahweh!
And here, also, are the passages which identify the Lord Jesus as the Creator of the
Universe:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). All things were made through him, and without him was
not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of
men… He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world
did not know him… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have
seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 1:1-4, 10, 14
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by
him ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether
thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and
for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
Colossians 1:15-17
"but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir
of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the
glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the
word of his power… But of the Son he says, … ‘You, Lord, laid the
foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;
they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe
you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the
same, and your years will have no end.’" Hebrews 1:2-3, 8a, 10-12
Osama further exposes his ignorance regarding Christian history, since the Trinity is
not only taught in the Holy Bible, but was already affirmed and articulated in the
writings of the Fathers long before Constantine and Nicaea in AD 325! Please go here for
the proof:
Osama also repeats the very outdated argument that the word Trinity isn’t found in
the Bible, as if this somehow means anything or refutes the doctrine. The word Trinity
doesn’t have to appear in the Bible in order for the Scriptures to teach what the
word implies. Osama’s argument is equivalent to someone saying that just because the
precise word Tauhid, does not appear in the Quran, nor its three classifications or
subsets (i.e. tauhid al-rububiyyah, tauhid al-uluhiyya or ibaadah, tauhid
al-asma wa sifat), this means that the Quran doesn’t teach it.{1}
The real reason why Muslims don't call the Holy Spirit God Almighty is because of the
indoctrination and brainwashing they have undergone. Muslims have been deceived by their
scholars and Islamic scholarship that Allah is not a plurality of persons, and that the
Spirit is not Allah. But the fact is that neither God’s true Word, the Holy Bible,
nor the Quran teach that the Spirit is a creation of God Almighty. Both books teach that
the Holy Spirit has all the essential attributes of God, with the Bible even going so far
as to call the Sprit both God and Lord. Although both books speak of the Spirit being
subject to God, neither book say that this makes him like the other creatures such as
angels. In fact, unlike the Spirit, angels are said to be creatures of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). And the reason
why the Holy Spirit cannot be completely known or fully described is because he is God!
Just like God, the Spirit is incomprehensible to our finite minds. There is actually a
Muslim who even says this. The late Yusuf Ali, commenting on surah 58:22 regarding the
Spirit from God, wrote:
"... Cf. ii 87 and 253, where it is said that God strengthened the Prophet Jesus
with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by
God with the holy spirit. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, ‘a spirit
from Himself’. Whenever any one offers his heart in faith and purity to God, God
accepts it, engraves that faith on the seeker's heart, and further fortifies him with
the DIVINE Spirit, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human
language the nature of God." (Ali, The Meaning of the Holy Quran, p. 1518,
fn. 5365; bold and capital emphasis ours) {2}
Yusuf Ali dared to call God’s Spirit Divine!
Thus, Osama’s claims to the contrary do nothing to refute the clear evidence that
God’s Spirit is God, while also being personally distinct from God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Osama has no
right to start getting colorful and smart and deceive the weak-minded and refuse to
address God’s Spirit as God Almighty.
Finally, when you do read his papers do make sure to read the refutations to his gross
distortions:
I am glad that Shamoun said the following nonsense:
"Notice how Osama ends up contradicting himself. He says
that the Holy Spirit is unknown to him and cannot be fully
described, and yet Osama seems to know enough to conclude that the Holy Spirit isn’t
God!"
This proves my claim when I said in my previous rebuttal:
To the polytheist
trinitarian pagans, anything that can not be
seen by our human-eyes and has power must be GOD Almighty Himself! Hilarious indeed!
Now in regards to Abdallah Yusuf Ali's translation, again, this shows and proves how
desperate the polytheist trinitarian pagan really is to prove the trinity lie.
Abdallah Yusuf Ali never claimed that GOD Almighty is a trinity or that the Holy Spirit is
part of Him.
YES, the Holy Spirit is "Divine" (angelic, spiritual, heavenly)
in the sense that it creates our spirits. We come from It. But GOD Almighty,
however, is fully independent from any and all of the entities that exist in the Universe,
including it! It is only Shamoun's hopeless interpretations and deception that
suggest that GOD Almighty is three:
"God forgiveth not that partners should be set up
with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners
with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble
Quran, 4:48)"
"They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three
in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). If they desist not from
their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among
them. (The Noble Quran, 5:73)"
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the
Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none
like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)!
Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none
but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from
among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say
ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
Part II:
As to the link he provided above that contains "responses" to a select few of
my articles, the reader should visit my main section of rebuttals that contains 500 rebuttals and responses,
as of today, Saturday April 2, 2005. In this section, I've obliterated most of
Shamoun's absurd articles along with several other anti-Islam authors, and the list is
only growing.
Part III:
Now in regards to the absurd quotes from the books of Paul that Shamoun quoted above,
Paul had been proven to be the biggest liar in the lie of the new testament. The
following links contain ample evidence of his forgeries and blasphemy:
This is my favorite one:
Paul nullified and contradicted the point of
Baptism. Him calling the disbelievers, who are supposed to be doomed to
Hell, as "sanctified" and "holy"
is clear nonsense and stupidity, and further proves with CLEAR-CUT proofs that his
words were not Revelations from GOD Almighty. It
also contradicts GOD Almighty's verdict about them in the Old Testament.
Exposing Paul's
Lies
The Noble Quran on Paul and his
likes:
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own
hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for
miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make
thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a
lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received
none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath
revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion
at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this
day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies
against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!" (The Noble Quran, 6:93)"
Paul nullified and contradicted the point of
Baptism. Him calling the disbelievers, who are supposed to be doomed to
Hell, as "sanctified" and "holy"
is clear nonsense and stupidity, and further proves with CLEAR-CUT proofs that his
words were not Revelations from GOD Almighty. It
also contradicts GOD Almighty's verdict about them in the Old Testament.
Also, it seems clear that the Bible has several types of Universal Spirits, or Holy
Spirits. For instance, we see a prediction about the "Spirit of Fearing
GOD" being installed in the coming Prophet, Jesus:
Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a
Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom
and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of
the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his
eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;
As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:
1- Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.
2- Spirit of Counsel and of power.
3- Spirit of Knowledge.
4- Spirit of the fear of the LORD.
Also, verses above say "and he will
delight in the fear of the LORD", which clearly proves that Jesus is under GOD
Almighty and can not be equivalent to Him. I have ample detailed refutations to the
lie of trinity on my site. You can further see them to
clearly understand that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One and not a unity or
trinity as satan claims.
RESPONSE:
Osama is seriously confused since the text he cites clearly identifies the Spirit of
the fear of the Lord etc. as God’s Spirit. The passage is not saying that there are
different spirits, but that the one Spirit of God is able to grant different gifts and
qualities to believers (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). God’s Spirit is able to produce reverence in a
believer’s heart, and can also grant wisdom, understanding etc. This passage is
basically echoing what the following NT citation teaches:
"Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever
says ‘Jesus is accursed!’ and no one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except in
the Holy Spirit. Now there are varieties of gifts, but the SAME Spirit; and there
are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it
is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation
of the Spirit for the common good. To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of
wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another
faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the
working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between
spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All
these are empowered by ONE AND THE SAME Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as
he wills. For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the
body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in ONE Spirit we were all
baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of ONE
Spirit. For the body does not consist of one member but of many." 1 Corinthians
12:3-14
That the same Spirit of God is able to equip all believers with different gifts of
ministry is another proof of his Deity. The Spirit must be all-powerful and present
everywhere for him to be able to equip all the believers wherever they are at.
For the refutation of Osama’s claim that Isaiah 11:1-2 refutes the Deity of the
Lord Jesus, please read the following articles:
The second link is part one of a two-part rebuttal, with the second part to appear
soon, Lord Jesus willing.
My response:
Notice how Shamoun is trying to answer away the obvious knock-out to his trinity lie.
The "Spirit of Fearing the LORD" is as clear as it gets! Jesus had
the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in him. This proves along with the ample other proofs that Jesus is
not part of GOD Almighty.
Also, again, Shamoun quotes from Paul's books. Paul had been proven not only to
be a liar and full of contradictions and even hostility with the
disciples of Jesus, but also full of contradictions with the Old Testament as well:
Paul nullified and contradicted the point of
Baptism. Him calling the disbelievers, who are supposed to be doomed to
Hell, as "sanctified" and "holy"
is clear nonsense and stupidity, and further proves with CLEAR-CUT proofs that his
words were not Revelations from GOD Almighty. It
also contradicts GOD Almighty's verdict about them in the Old Testament.
Again, exposing
Paul's Lies
The Noble Quran on Paul and his
likes:
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own
hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for
miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make
thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a
lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received
none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath
revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion
at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this
day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies
against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!" (The Noble Quran, 6:93)"
Paul nullified and contradicted the point of
Baptism. Him calling the disbelievers, who are supposed to be doomed to
Hell, as "sanctified" and "holy"
is clear nonsense and stupidity, and further proves with CLEAR-CUT proofs that his
words were not Revelations from GOD Almighty. It
also contradicts GOD Almighty's verdict about them in the Old Testament.
The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why
do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God
alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
If Jesus doesn't consider himself as
"good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?
I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.
Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was not GOD!
I sometimes get asked by trinitarians to show them where Jesus said that he WAS NOT
GOD Almighty in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Ironically, it is like having this scenario:
Q. Show me where John Doe said that he was not the
President of the United States! Show me the quote now!!
A. He just said he works as a computer programmer you brainless idiot! :-)
Jesus said he was not good. He can't possibly say I am your Creator and by the way I
am not good. The question itself shows the complete ignorance about what's written
in the bible and reveals the total blasphemy and darkness that polytheist trinitarian
pagans are living in.
Jesus is not GOD! The GOD Almighty of the Old Testament BOASTS
about Himself! He countlessly reminds the Jews about Worshiping Him and only Him
because He is the "One who took them out of Egypt",
and He's the "One who Saved them from Pharaoh",
etc... Not only that, but He also Punishes to death anyone
who profanes His Holy and Blessed Name.
Jesus can not be this Holy and Mighty and Arrogant and Absolute GOD Almighty when he,
for instance, escaped to Egypt for his life from King Herod!
The GOD Almighty's Divine Characteristics in the Old Testament can not in anyway
fit Jesus who is not "good" and who runs for his life from a creation of GOD
Almighty.
RESPONSE:
We have already addressed Mark 10:18 to see what it really means within its intended
context, so we ask that our readers go here for the answer: http://./Shamoun/q_only_god_good.htm
Furthermore, how does God commanding Joseph to take the baby Jesus to Egypt in order to
spare his life from Herod disprove that Christ is God? If anything, wouldn’t this
show that he is God since even as an infant no one could take his life away from him?
Using Osama’s logic, wouldn’t this prove that Yahweh couldn’t be God
either, since he caused Moses’ mother to place him in an ark in order to be saved
from Pharaoh’s edict that all male babies must be killed? Osama seems to want to play
the role of an ignoramus since he knows full well that God often saves the life of his
servants by having them flee from the risk of violence and death. In fact, it was directly
due to God’s supernatural intervention that Joseph knew to escape to Egypt in order
to save the young child’s life:
"Now when they had gone, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a
dream and said, ‘Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and
remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy
Him.’ So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night,
and left for Egypt." Matthew 2:13-14
What would we then say about Allah and Muhammad? According to Muslim sources, Muhammad
ran away from a few people in Mecca who intended to kill him. On the night he fled from
Mecca to Medina, he even had his own son-in-law and first cousin, Ali, pretend to be him
and sleep in his bed in order to make the Meccans think that Muhammad was still in his
house. In other words, Muhammad risked the life of Ali instead of risking his own life,
showing that Ali, who was much younger than Muhammad, had more courage than his own
prophet! Unlike Muhammad, Ali was willing to die for his prophet and his god. Who can
believe that this is a true prophet? If Muhammad had truly been the most important prophet
of God, then God would have given him power to face his opponents, and would not have
allowed his prophet to run away by using deceptive means to save his life.
In light of Osama’s skewed logic, this leaves us with one of two options. Either
Allah didn’t have the ability and power to save Muhammad from the threat of his
enemies, and therefore needed his prophet to use deception to spare his life. Or Muhammad
lacked true faith in the power of his god to save him.
We also need to correct Osama’s distortion of the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). God doesn’t boast
about who he is, but he simply states the facts about himself and his acts. One of the
characteristics of the true God is that he is humble and meek:
"The LORD is near to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in
spirit." Psalm 34:18
"For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity,
whose name is Holy: ‘I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him
who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to
revive the heart of the contrite." Isaiah 57:15
"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my
yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will
find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matthew
11:28-30
Allah is the snide and proud boaster since one of his names happens to be "al-mutakabbir,"
the prideful or most proud:
He is the One GOD; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the
Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Proud (al-mutakabbiru).
GOD be glorified; far above having partners. S. 59:23
The late, great Samuel Zwemer noted:
10. El-Mutakabbir - The Proud. This word when used of a human being always
implies haughtiness, and Zamakhshari defines it (Surah 59:23), "Supreme in pride and
greatness or the One who is haughty above the wickedness of his slaves." (Zwemer,
"The Ninety-Nine Names of Allah," The Moslem Doctrine of God, Chapter
III, p. 37; online edition)
According to the Holy Bible, pride or conceit is a quality of Satan, something which
God hates:
"Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; Assuredly, he will
not be unpunished." Proverbs 16:5
"He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall
into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so
that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil." 1 Timothy 3:6-7
Thus, according to the Holy Bible, Allah exhibits two of the qualities of Satan, pride
and deception (Cf. John 8:44).
My response:
Notice how Shamoun again tries desperately to answer away another serious knock-out to
his trinity lie. Notice how he tries to simplify Jesus, while he was a young
boy/kid, running away to Egypt.
I definitely would not call the human-Prophet, Jesus, as a liar (as a Muslim I do
believe he a Prophet of GOD Almighty) because he ran away to Egypt. Humans and
humans and their natural fears and instinct can be understood. If they're Prophets,
many Prophets before them were killed:
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the
prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have
gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and
ye would not! (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37)"
"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a
succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him
with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye
yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors,
and others ye slay! (The Noble Quran,
2:87)"
"And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one
kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth
groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said:
"Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find
what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves
the wrath of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). This because they went on rejecting the Signs of God and slaying
His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on
transgressing. (The Noble Quran, 2:61)"
"As to those who deny the Signs of God and in defiance of
right, slay the prophets, and slay those who teach just dealing
with mankind, announce to them a grievous penalty. (The
Noble Quran, 3:21)"
"God hath heard the taunt of those who say: "Truly, God
is indigent and we are rich!"- We shall certainly record their word and
(their act) of slaying the prophets in defiance of right, and We shall say:
"Taste ye the penalty of the Scorching Fire! (The
Noble Quran, 3:181)"
So it is ok and
humanly natural for them to fear for their lives.
But when the polytheist trinitarian pagans call Jesus GOD, then the matter becomes
different. It now becomes necessary to judge Jesus on GOD Almighty's Standards to
see if he is truly the Creator of the Universe or not.
Jesus running away to Egypt with his mother
proves:
1- Jesus is not the Creator of the
Universe.
2- Mary, who is worshipped by the Roman
Catholics, also can not be a GODDESS or the "mother of GOD"
He wrote:
5- The miracle of Adam's creation is far greater than
Jesus' creation!
It is often said by trinitarians that Jesus' miraculous birth
is a clear proof that he is the Creator of the Universe. I often hear this absurd
nonsense and easily refute it by presenting Adam's creation. Adam was created in a
much more complex Miracle than Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him)
. At least Jesus had to be formed as a fetus in
a woman's womb. Yes she was virgin when GOD Almighty caused her to get pregnant, but
nonetheless, Jesus had to be formed as a fetus in a human womb like you and me.
Adam on the other hand and Eve also were created in a much more complex
Miracle. Adam was created vitually [sic] out of nothing. Eve, his
wife, was created from his rib. These two Miracles are far greater than Jesus'
birth.
So the absurd claim about Jesus' birth proving that he is GOD Almighty is soundly
debunked through simple common sense.
Also please visit: None of Jesus' Miracles were
unique either.
RESPONSE:
Osama’s appeal to the creation of Adam and Eve to offset Jesus’ unique
conception does very little to refute Christian claims. In the first place, Adam was the
first man created and could not have been born from either a man or a woman. His creation
was a result of the circumstances in which he was born. Likewise, Eve was the first woman
created, and so could not have been born from a woman.
The Lord Jesus was different. Whereas Adam and Eve were the first set of humans and
could not have entered life through the normal process of sexual reproduction, this was
not the case with the Lord Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Sexual reproduction had already been set into motion by
God when Christ was conceived supernaturally, so the question remains why was it necessary
for Jesus to be born of a virgin? The Quran fails to answer the question, whereas the Holy
Bible gives us the reason:
"And Mary said to the angel, ‘How can this be since I have no husband?’
And the angel said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the
most high will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the
Son of God.’" Luke 1:34-35
Jesus’ conception from the blessed virgin Mary was because he is the holy Son of
God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Lest Osama misunderstand our point, or tries to deliberately twist our words, we are
not saying that the virgin birth makes Jesus the Son of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). On the contrary, it is
because Jesus is the Son of God that he was born from the virgin. The virgin birth was the
way God deemed fitting for his beloved and eternal Son to enter into time and space in
order to become a man.
So our questions to Osama are these:
Please explain why Jesus was born from a virgin.
Further explain why did God choose him to be born of a virgin as opposed to some other
prophet.
I can't answer why GOD Almighty chose for Jesus to be born from a virgin. I am
not GOD Almighty and I can't speak on His Behalf. GOD Almighty Caused for so many
Miracles and Wonders to happen. Jesus' birth doesn't prove anything other than the
fact that he had Miracles. Like I mentioned and clearly proved above from the bible,
none of Jesus' miracles
were unique.
Also, Jesus in so many instances was recorded proving that he was nothing when compared
to GOD Almighty. I provided the evidence above in this article. Jesus was no
more than a human being and a Prophet, and his miraculous birth was only GOD Almighty's
Choice:
"The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of
Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
(The Noble Quran, 3:59)"
Also, if we were to take Shamoun's absurd logic about Jesus being GOD Almighty because he
was born out of a virgin, then we must also take the "Holy Family
Trinity" as truth, since this would also make this *lucky* virgin as part of
GOD too.
Is Mary also
your GOD Shamoun?
Also, Shamoun, the careless writer, and liar wrote:
His paper was not even concerned with any of my articles on my site! Yet, he
called it "our refutation of Osama's paper".
I know it is a side and probably an irrelevant point, but I just wanted to show the
reader how Shamoun would do anything and everything to prove his lies!
He wrote:
6- Conclusion:
In the light of the Quranic Noble Verses and the Biblical
verses above, the Holy Spirit is in no way GOD Almighty Himself. To say the least
regarding Islam, the lie of trinity and/or duality of GOD Almighty in Islam does not
exist, and it had been soundly debunked throughout this article! The
Christian missionaries' new lies and tactics about introducing trinity in Islam's
Doctrines has been exposed in this article through the Will and Wisdom of Allah
Almighty. All Praise due to Him.
As I demonstrated above using the Noble Quran, the Holy Spirit is only a Creation from
GOD Almighty, and it has specific duties assigned to it. Also in the Day of
Judgement, the Holy Spirit and the Angels will be standing before GOD Almighty waiting for
His Divine Orders and Commands, which indisputably proves that the Holy Spirit is below
Allah Almighty and is in no way part of Him.
Conclusion
In the light of our response, we must say that Osama fell short of disproving that the
Holy Spirit is God Almighty Himself. His attempt of disproving that Islam teaches that
Allah is a duality has been soundly debunked throughout our article! The
Muslim dawagandists’ new lies and tactics used to cover up Islam’s clear
teachings that Allah is more than one Person, or that the Quran teaches that there is more
than one god, have been exposed in this article by the sovereign grace and mercy of the
Almighty Triune God of the Holy Bible, Yahweh of hosts. All Praise is due to Him alone.
As we demonstrated above by using the Quran, the Holy Spirit cannot be a creation from
God Almighty, since the specific duties assigned to him proves beyond any reasonable doubt
that he is God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Also on the Day of Judgment, just because the Holy Spirit and the Angels
will be standing before God Almighty awaiting His divine orders and commands doesn’t
mean that the Spirit is not God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). The most this proves is that either the Quran is confused
and contradictory or that the Holy Spirit is subject to Allah. If the latter position is
taken, then those passages only prove that Allah exists as a plurality of persons who are
subject to one another. But since the Quran teaches that all these persons are truly God
in nature than their subjection to each other does not imply that they are not all fully
God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Osama has confused nature with authority, erroneously assuming that subjection to
another must imply an inferiority of essence. He seems to have never realized that one can
be subject to another without this meaning that the two entities are not equal in essence.
Finally, our pointing out that the Quran teaches that Allah’s Spirit is God
doesn’t mean that we are endorsing the belief that Allah is the same Triune God
revealed in the Holy Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). We are only trying to show through this that the Muslim claim
that Allah is a singularity, that the Muslim god exists as only one single Person, is not
substantiated by the teachings of the Quran.
Notes
{1} The Quran not only doesn't ever use the word Tauhid, or explicitly mention
the names of the three subsets of Tauhid, it doesn't even teach such a concept of God at
all! The Muslim conception of Tauhid is supposed to rule out the belief that the one God
exists in a plurality of Persons. But, as we demonstrated in this paper, that is not what
the Quran teaches. It may be that a Muslim can say that Tauhid speaks against embracing
others, besides the one God, as God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). But since the Spirit is not a creature, nor is he
someone other than God, than the concept of Tauhid does not rule out believing in the
Spirit's Deity. This would be comparable to the biblical teaching on the Trinity; that
since the biblical doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three distinct Persons of the
Godhead are not separate beings, or individual gods, or creatures, to therefore worship
them as God is not a violation of true monotheism. To worship others besides the
one true God would be violating pure monotheism.
{2} In some more recent versions of Yusuf Ali's English translation, the notes
have been changed (more like tampered with), in an obvious attempt of making Ali sound
more in line with a perceived orthodoxy. For instance, compare the version of Ali's quote
which we presented with the following CD Rom version of his commentary:
"... Cf. ii 87 and 253, where it is said that ALLAH strengthened the Prophet Jesus
with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by
ALLAH. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, 'a spirit from Himself'. Whenever
any one offers his heart in faith and purity to ALLAH, ALLAH accepts it, engraves that
faith on the seeker's heart, and further fortifies him with HIS HELP, which we can no more
define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of ALLAH." (ALIM
CD-ROM Version; capital emphasis ours)
This version of Ali's commentary has changed God to Allah, and divine Spirit to his
help, as well as omitting the words, "with the holy spirit" from the clause,
"strengthened by Allah."
The Muslims obviously had a hard time with Ali calling God's Spirit divine, or with his
claim that believers are strengthened with the holy spirit. Such editing is not unusual
for Muslims, and for more examples of this kind we recommend reading the following
articles:
Once again, and as I mentioned in my previous rebuttal:
In the light of all of the evidence that I provided above from both the Noble Quran and
the Bible, it is beyond doubt that the Holy Spirit is:
1- A Creation of GOD Almighty.
2- Works only under the Command of GOD
Almighty.
3- Is under GOD Almighty and is not part
of Him.
Anything else beyond this is clear blasphemy!
Part II:
In regards to his "notes" above:
Note #1 is nothing but clear absurdity that had fully refuted
throughout this rebuttal and the previous one and all of my Answering trinity ones.
Note #2 - Minister Abdullah Yusuf Ali and
the rest of the English translators of the Noble Quran come up with different, revised and
improved versions. It is normal to see modifications and/or changes in language and
style in the newer versions of books.
Shamoun is trying to create the lie and believe it
too. He is trying to convince the reader that a major turmoil
occurred from Abdullah Yusuf Ali's initial translation and that he had to change it right
away. Typos, errors and mis-words always happen, especially when one deals with
extremely large books with very complex, I mean really complex, language like the Arabic
Noble Quran.
Also, all Shamoun could do to back up his turmoil-lie is to
provide links to two articles from two Muslim web sites written by two normal individuals,
WHO, LIKE ME, DON'T EVEN EXIST IN THE WORLD OF Noble Quran translating-scholars. I
don't mean this to be insulting to the two brothers in anyway, but rather, to show the reader just how desperate and how ridiculous Sam Shamoun and
his hallucinations are.
By the way, neither
one of the articles talks about Shamoun's
"Divine" point above!
Different and conflicting variations of "gospels"
and "books" that are disagreed upon by the Churches today.
Part III:
Like I mentioned above:
YES, the Holy Spirit is "Divine" (angelic, spiritual, heavenly)
in the sense that it creates our spirits. We come from It. But GOD Almighty,
however, is fully independent from any and all of the entities that exist in the Universe,
including it! It is only Shamoun's hopeless interpretations and deception that
suggest that GOD Almighty is three:
"God forgiveth not that partners should be set up
with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners
with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble
Quran, 4:48)"
"They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three
in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). If they desist not from
their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among
them. (The Noble Quran, 5:73)"
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the
Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none
like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Not
one of the beings in the heavens and the
earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant.
He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone
of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work
deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love. (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"
"The Day that the Spirit
and the Angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall
speak except any who is permitted by (God) Most Gracious,
and He will say what is right. (The Noble Quran, 78:38)"
"A questioner asked about a Penalty to befall- The
Unbelievers, the which there is none to ward off,- (A Penalty) from God, Lord of the Ways
of Ascent. The Angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the
measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: Therefore do thou hold Patience,- a Patience
of beautiful (contentment). (The Noble Quran, 70:1-5)"
"Therein come down the Angels and the Spirit
by God's permission, on every errand: (The Noble Quran, 97:4)"
Allah Almighty also promised in several Divine Prophecies that He will show the Glorious Quran's Miracles to mankind. For example:
1- The root letters for "message" and all of its derivatives occur 513times throughout the Glorious Quran. Yet, the Prophets' and Messengers' actual names (Muhammad, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc....) were also all mentioned 513 times in the Glorious Quran. See detailed listing here.
Coincidence? See 1,000s of examples! [1]. (zip file).
2- Allah Almighty said that Prophet Noah lived for
950 years. Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah (chapter Noah) is exactly written in 950 Letters. You can thoroughly see the accurate count in the scanned images.
3- Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran said that earth is: - Spherical: "egg-shaped" [1]. - Is rotating around itself. - Is moving in space in curvy orbits [2]. - Is traveling through the constantly expanding universe [3].
"When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
As we also see from the picture, Noble Verse 55:37 is a Divine Promise (Allah promised to show mankind) that mankind will actually see this come to pass one day. NASA and other space agencies, by Allah Almighty's Will, have certainly fulfilled this Prophecy, because a natural rose wouldn't form when a "Heaven" or a Solar System or even an entire galaxy and its trillions of solar systems all blow up (explode). It is rather the look of it, and this is exactly what NASA confirms.
Quran: All Bibles are mostly of corrupt [1]قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.
"I cannot do anything on my own." (i.e., Jesus could not perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!). I can not perform a single Miracle on my own!! I am totally POWERLESS without Allah Almighty!
John 5:31 "if I (Jesus) bear witness of myself, then I would be a liar!"
GOD didn't talk this way when He spoke to Moses. GOD's testimony alone is always sufficient! Jesus also bowed his face down to the ground, like we Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name, and sons and daughters of GOD titles will be "no more"; ; Jesus called every believer a Muslim in
Luke 6:40) Muslims do everyday, and prayed to GOD Almighty.
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