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Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??
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My rebuttal to Silas' "Muhammad and the Snakes" article:
This article is a rebuttal to Silas' article, which is located at: http://www../Silas/snakes.htm
He wrote:
MUHAMMAD
AND THE SNAKES!
by Silas
A young Muslim man returns home and finds his wife standing near the door. He assumes immediately she’s an adulterer and
raises his weapon to kill her. But she warns
him that something dangerous is within their house. The
man rushes in and on the bed is a large snake. The
man attacks the snake and kills it, but during the struggle he is also bitten, both die
quickly.
Snakes kill people, people kill snakes. There
is nothing uncommon about it; its been happening for thousands of years.
So, what is unusual about this instance?
Muhammad had some very unusual things to say about this event. As you read Muhammad’s words try to determine
if he relied upon his own ideas, upon Allah's wisdom, or perhaps another source of
information? Think about his statements, then
decide if he was superstitious, irrational, or telling the truth.
My response:
Ok.
He wrote:
PRESENTATION
OF MATERIAL
The following are a collection of Hadith from several Islamic sources. Each one contains a unique detail that I feel is
necessary to present the overall picture. Try
to form a composite in your mind of what Muhammad intended.
(1) From Muslim's
collection of Hadith [1], Book 026, Number 5557:
Abu as-Sa'ib, the freed slaved of Hisham b. Zuhra, said that he visited Abu Sa'id
Khudri in his house, (and he further) said: I found him saying his prayer, so I sat down
waiting for him to finish his prayer when I heard a stir in the bundles (of wood) lying in
a comer of the house. I looked towards it and found a snake. I jumped up in order to kill
it, but he (Abu Sa'id Khudri) made a gesture that I should sit down. So I sat down and as
he finished (the prayer) he pointed to a room in the house and said: Do you see this room?
I said: Yes. He said: There was a young man amongst us who had been newly wedded. We went
with Allah's Messenger (to participate in the Battle) of Trench when a young man in the
midday used to seek permission from Allah's Messenger to return to his family. One day he
sought permission from him and Allah's Messenger (after granting him the permission) said
to him: Carry your weapons with you for I fear the tribe of Quraiza (may harm you). The
man carried the weapons and then came back and found his wife standing between the two
doors. He bent towards her smitten by jealousy and made a dash towards her with a spear in
order to stab her. She said: Keep your spear away and enter the house until you see that
which has made me come out. He entered and found a big snake coiled on the bedding. He
darted with the spear and pierced it and then went out having fixed it in the house, but
the snake quivered and attacked him and no one knew which of them died first, the snake or
the young man. We came to Allah's Apostle and made a mention to him and said: Supplicate
to Allah that that (man) may be brought back to life. Thereupon he said: Ask forgiveness
for your companion and then said: There are in Medina “Jinns” who have accepted Islam, so when you see any one of
them, pronounce a warning to it for three days, and if they appear before you after that,
then kill it for that is a devil.
NOTE: If you don’t know what “Jinn” are, see
the link below for further information.
My response:
So far you have presented nothing of substance to argue about here, because Jinns are mentioned in the Noble Quran:
"And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind. (The Noble Quran, 15:27)"
"I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me. (The Noble Quran, 51:56)"
"And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke: (The Noble Quran, 55:15)"
Now, if you ask how I would know that Jinns do exist, then I would tell you that I believe the Noble Quran's Holy Claims, because the Noble Quran had proven itself to me that it is the True Revelation of Allah Almighty:
Visit www.answering-christianity.com/sci_quran.htm
He wrote:
(2) From Muslim's
collection of Hadith Book 026, Number 5558:
Asma' b. 'Ubaid reported about a person who was called as-Sa'ib having said: We
visited Abu Sa'id Khudri. When we had been sitting (with him) we heard a stir under his
bed. When we looked we found a big snake, the rest of the hadith is the same. And in this
Allah's Messenger is reported to have said: Verily in these houses there live aged
(snakes), so when you see one of them, make life hard for it for three days, and if it
goes away (well and good), otherwise kill it for (in that case) it would be a nonbeliever.
And he (the Holy Prophet) said (to his Companions): Go and bury your companion (who had
died by the snake bite).
My response:
Here we see the Prophet peace be upon him with a big and loving heart. He didn't command his followers to kill the snakes right away, but rather give them a chance to leave the habitat and search for a new one far away.
He wrote:
(3) Sunan of Abu Dawud,
Book 41, Number 5236:
Narrated Abu
Sa'id al-Khudri:
Muhammad ibn Abu
Yahya said that his father told that he and his companion went to Abu Sa'id al-Khudri to
pay a sick visit to him. He said: Then we came out from him and met a companion of ours
who wanted to go to him. We went ahead and sat in the mosque. He then came back and told
us that he heard Abu Sa'id al-Khudri say: The Apostle of Allah said: Some snakes are jinn; so when anyone sees
one of them in his house, he should give it a warning three times. [4521]. If it return (after
that), he should kill it, for it is a devil.
Hasan’s note 4521 states:
The verb means to make things difficult. It
means that one should tell the snake three times that it will be in difficulties if it
returns. It should not blame one if it is
driven away and killed. The warning should be
given for three days. There is a difference
of opinion whether it should be given three times or for three days. What is agreed is that it should be given three
times for three days.
(4) Sunan of Abu Dawud,
Book 41, Number 5240:
Narrated AbdurRahman Ibn
Abu Layla:
The Apostle of
Allah was asked about the house-snakes. He said: When
you see one of them in your dwelling, say: I
adjure you by the covenant which Noah made with you, and I adjure you by the covenant
which Solomon made with you not to harm us. Then if they come back, kill them.
(5) Sunan of Abu Dawud
Book 41, Number 5229:
Narrated
Abdullah ibn Mas'ud:
The
Prophet said: Kill all the snakes, and
he who fears their revenge does not belong to me.
(6) Sahih Muslim, Book
026, Number 5544:
Salim, on the authority of his father. reported Allah's Apostle as saying: Kill the
snakes having stripes over them and short-tailed snakes, for these two types cause
miscarriage (of a pregnant woman) and they affect the eyesight adversely. So Ibn 'Umar
used to kill every snake that he found. Abu Lubaba b. 'Abd al-Mundhir and Zaid b.
Khattab saw him pursuing a snake, whereupon he said: They were forbidden (to kill)
those snakes who live in houses.
(7) Sunan of Abu Dawud,
Number 5232:
Ibn Umar reported the Apostle of Allah as saying: Kill snakes, kill those which have two streaks and
those with small tails, for they obliterate he eyesight and cause miscarriage. [4519].
Salim said: Abd Allah used to kill
every snake which he found. Abu Lubabah or
Zaid b. al-Khattab saw him chasing a snake. He
said: He (the Prophet) prohibited killing
house snakes. [4520]
Hasan’s note 4519 says,
They were poisonous snakes and caused harm to people. The people are commanded to kill them.
Hasan’s note 4520 says,
The version of al-Bukhari and Muslim has: For
they are resident jinn.
(8) Sahih Muslim, Book
026, Number 5559:
Abu Sa'id Khudri
reported Allah's Messenger having said: There is a group of Jinns in Medina who accepted
Islam, so he who would see anything from these occupants should warn him three times; and
if he appears after that, he should kill him for he is a Satan. [2607]
Siddiqi’s note 2607 reads:
It is on the basis of this hadith that some of the scholars are of the opinion that
it is not proper to kill snakes of Medina without issuing them a grim warning with these
words: “adjure
you in the name of that Covenant which Hadrat Sulaiman took from you that you should not
harm us and do not appear again.” This
is not essential for any other place besides Medina.
The reason for this is that some of the Jinns had embraced Islam and they lived in
the houses and at times assumed the form of big snakes.
(Nawawi, Vol II, p. 234).
My response:
Have you seen the small black snakes that wrap themselves into a circle in places like Palestine? We call them the "snakes of Moses". I don't know why they were named like that. But anyway, these snakes are also called "house snakes", and they are very harmless and don't have any venum in them.
When we used to visit Palestine during summer break, I used to play with my cousins with these snakes. I was 4 years old when I used to play with them. We used to carry them, and eventually end up killing them.
The point here is, Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him didn't say that any snake that appears in your house is harmless! There are definitely poisonous ones that we would need to kill. You can't possibly be that dumb Silas! But what's really ironic here is that you are assuming that your Western reader is as stupid as your ideas are!
He wrote:
My response:
No, that's not what the Prophet peace be upon him said. He said kill all (poisonous and dangerous) snakes, except the harmless ones, which are considered to be "house snakes". The Prophet never said that if you find a cobra in your home that you are not to kill it. He said if you find a "house snake", then make life hard for it until it leaves or else kill it. The reason for this is that these harmless snakes will probably attract dangrous snakes and other dangerous or unwanted animals to be around.
So the fear is not really from the harmless "house snakes", but rather from the environment that their presence would create. I don't see how anyone would disagree with this.
He wrote:
DISCUSSION
Aren’t people who carry on like this put into mental hospitals?
Let me ask you. If you saw someone
carrying on a conversation with a large, strange snake in his house, that could be
poisonous, what would you think? Or, what
would you think if a friend or co-worker told you about finding a large snake in his home
and he was now “warning” it? Try it
for yourself…. Speak to one of your friends at work and tell him, as seriously as
possible, that you’re talking with a potentially dangerous snake, because it could be
a Muslim snake, and you’re intending to do this for three days. Watch his reaction!
Let’s not forget the story about the poor young Muslim man who died from the
snake bite. Imagine if he had allowed the
snake to remain in his house for 3 days. It
could have bitten his wife or other visitors to the home.
You don’t need to be a herpetologist to know that Muhammad has some serious
problems.
Here are some issues to be
considered.
1) First of
all, not all outdoor snakes are harmful. Many
of them are in fact quite beneficial to humanity. They
kill destructive pests like rodents. What’s
the point in killing beneficial snakes?
2) Second,
what does that say with respect to Islam and the destruction of a beneficial species of
animal?
3) Third,
isn’t it quite bizarre for people to be talking with snakes? Muhammad was a superstitious man, in the Quran he
has Solomon talking with ants. But
here, the stakes are a bit higher – i.e. they are Muslim snakes. I’d hate to see a Muslim try talking with
poisonous snake. Definitely not a good idea. It might make for a good comedy, or
“world’s most dangerous stunts” type show, but certainly not a good idea
for a real life situation.
4) Snakes
have poor ability to hear. If Muhammad were
really led by God wouldn’t he have used a more reliable form of communication with
the snakes? After all, the motive was to
communicate effectively with the snakes and warn them or drive them away.
5) Should we
assume that snakes, at least the snakes in question, understood Arabic? Especially the Arabic dialect of the home in which
he chose to live?
6) Normally
snakes don’t “live” in homes. If
Jinn has morphed into snakes, would they would live as snakes? Snakes avoid contact with humans.
7) Do you
really think that by speaking to a snake and referencing Solomon and Noah, that that would
prohibit the snake from biting you or anyone else? Are
the Muslims willing to give it a try? I’m
sure there are many cobras in India that are available for the job.
From the World Book
Encyclopedia entry on Snakes, pages 524 – 536, (1993 edition).
Throughout history, snakes have been the subjects of many myths and superstitions. The fear of snakes results from a lack of
knowledge about the animals. Most snakes are
harmless to people. In addition, snakes are
helpful in controlling rats and other rodents.
The main value of snakes
is that they form part of the environment and help preserve the balance of nature. … Snake venom has several uses in medicine
and biological research. … Certain pain-killing drugs are prepared from
neurotoxins in venom. Researches use the
powerful enzymes in venom to break down complex proteins for biochemical studies.
Of course there are many in depth books and articles about snakes. If you want to learn more about them do some
research. Unfortunately for Muhammad, he
only had his myths and superstitions to go on. As
a result, he ordered the killing of many beneficial creatures.
Here is some additional information from a article found on the web.
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/995_snakes.html
About 8,000 people a year receive venomous bites in the United States; nine to 15
victims die. Some experts say that because victims can't always positively identify a
snake, they should seek prompt care for any bite, though they may think the snake is
nonpoisonous. Even a bite from a so-called "harmless" snake can cause an
infection or allergic reaction in some people.
Though poisonous snakes can be dangerous, snake venom may have a positive side. Clinical trials are presently under way to test the therapeutic value of a venom-derived product called ancrod in treating stroke. Earlier proposals, using snake venom to treat neuromuscular disorders such as multiple sclerosis, never reached the clinical trial stage.
If you come across a snake in your house, be careful. It may be poisonous. Do not follow Muhammad’s advice and
“warn” it for 3 days. If need be,
call the fire department, or, animal society representative (the names of such agencies
vary from State to State), or even the police department.
If you follow Muhammad’s advice you, or your children, or friends, could be
bitten by the snake. If the snake is
poisonous the bite could prove fatal especially to small children.
My response:
I personally don't think that reciting the Noble Quran, or trying to drive away dangerous animals in the Holy Name of Allah Almighty is wrong or weird. And most certainly, Prophet Muhammad, as I mentioned above, NEVER said to keep poisonous snakes for three days! He said kill all (poisonous and dangerous) snakes, except the harmless ones, which are considered to be "house snakes". The Prophet never said that if you find a cobra in your home that you are not to kill it. He said if you find a "house snake", then make life hard for it until it leaves or else kill it. The reason for this is that these harmless snakes will probably attract dangrous snakes and other dangerous or unwanted animals to be around.
So the fear is not really from the harmless "house snakes", but rather from the environment that their presence would create. I don't see how anyone would disagree with this.
And as I also mentioned above, have you seen the small black snakes that wrap themselves into a circle in places like Palestine? We call them the "snakes of Moses". These snakes are also called "house snakes", and they are very harmless and don't have any venum in them.
When we used to visit Palestine during summer break, I used to play with my cousins with these snakes. I was 4 years old when I used to play with them. We used to carry them, and eventually end up killing them.
He wrote:
My question to the Muslims is this: why put your trust in the teachings of this man? Are you going to entrust your eternity to someone who taught that people should dialog with snakes?
This prayer is written for anyone. This
includes Muslims who are seeking the truth and who want to know God in a personal way.
“Lord Jesus, I believe in You. I believe that You are the Son of God and the
Lord. I believe that You died for my sins and
were raised from the dead. I confess that I
am a sinner and I ask You to come into my heart, cleanse me from my sins, and forgive me
for my sins. I turn to follow and obey You
– I put my faith in you. I now receive
You as Messiah and Lord and totally commit my life to You.”
Amen.
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Rev A: 10/30/02
My response:
Your conclusion is bogus, and your lack of information about snakes in the Middle East prompted you to write this ridiculous article that proved absolutely nothing about Islam being a false religion. Islam is not about superstition. The Noble Quran did prove itself to be a Divine Revelation from Allah Almighty, because of its Everlasting Miracle that exists within it. Let's look at a sample of the Noble Quran's Miracles and proofs of Divine Truthfulness:
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Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Questions about Jesus that trinitarian Christians don't have logical answers for.
What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?
"Allah" was GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.
Scientific Miracles in Islam and the Noble Quran.
Most of the Bible's books and gospels were written by mysterious people!
Jesus mentioned Muhammad by the name in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus? It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross. I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken. My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion. I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.
Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??
The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]
200 years no gospels | 24 other thrones besides Jesus' | Jesus' problematic hyperboles: made sinful lawful and lawful sinful | Jesus was created | What's new | A-Z library (3300+ articles) | "Muslims" was the original title | Quran Search | Quran Moral Code (100s of them) | Quran: Bibles are filled with corrupt قول qaowl (doctrines of sayings and writings) | "bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah | Jesus said he was powerless | Paul said he wasn't sure about Holy Spirit | Disciples called each other liars, satanic, false | Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators | Research & Blog | 9/11 Israel-lie | Youtube
Quran's STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1] Allah Almighty also promised in several Divine Prophecies that He will show the Glorious Quran's Miracles to mankind. For example:
Coincidence? See 1,000s of examples [1].Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.
"I cannot do anything on my own." (i.e., Jesus could not perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!). I can not perform a single Miracle on my own!! I am totally POWERLESS without Allah Almighty! John 5:31 "if I (Jesus) bear witness of myself, then I would be a liar!" GOD didn't talk this way when He spoke to Moses. GOD's testimony alone is always sufficient! Jesus also bowed his face down to the ground, like we Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name, and sons and daughters of GOD titles will be "no more"; |
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