Two stooges, Sam Shamoun VS Craig Winn, debating each others on what trinity really means!

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

The following debate that took place between the foul-mouthed (see ample documentations in AUDIO and TEXT) Sam Shamoun and Craig Winn, two polytheist trinitarian pagans and stooges, started because Shamoun wanted to warn Winn about my detailed rebuttals to his book of lies where I even listed in details where Craig Winn fabricated quotes on his own against Islam! Not realizing what he was about to get himself into, Shamoun started talking rubbish about me and my site, and then he found himself getting into a heated debate with Winn over what trinity really means.

Now without being prejudice or showing any favoritism to Islam, but both clowns have thoroughly demonstrated how their religion is truly messed up and confused. There is nothing but spin after spin and confusion after confusion in this evil religion of theirs called "Christianity". As you will clearly see from their debate below, the stupidity of this religion is just way too ludicrous! GOD Almighty is certainly not an author of spins, lies and confusions as He clearly stated in the Noble Quran:

"Do they not ponder on the Qur'an? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. (The Noble Quran, 4:82)"

Having said all of that, let us now look at the two stooges debate and enjoy a good laugh at it.

Note: This debate used to exist on Craig Winn's web site at: http://www../response_sam0604.html. Winn removed it because it obviously was too embarrassing for him and Shamoun. Fortunately however, it was saved at "Web Archives." Please be advised that "Web Archives" have modified the original links for their own storage and maintenance purposes.

(I have cut the too-lengthy and irrelevant "greeting and welcoming" conversation that took place between them)

Sam, I don't see this as a debate. It's an enlightened discussion between friends about important issues. Please don't make this your last email.

You write:

That's true. That is why I like to amplify Scripture
from the original Hebrew and Greek and why I like to
review large segments in context, pulling the teaching
of the NT and OT together. When a line is quoted from
a single English translation, a person can twist it to
sponsor most any notion.

Yet even citing Greek and Hebrew doesn't really help an argument if one
doesn't understand that words are defined within their specific
contexts. So it isn't simply enough to cite the lexical meanings of words, but see
which meaning best fits the specific

When scholars choose which word they think fits, they are at best guessing. But that's not the biggest problem. No language translate word for word to another. And many Hebrew and Greek words have many meanings and important shadings--all of which are lost when we read word for word translations. A great example is the Hebrew word "shem." It is always translated "name." But that is one of 13 meanings--and by no means the most important one. By not amplifying the Hebrew to include them all the reader is cheated out of 90% of what Yahweh was telling us. And one of the benefits of Biblical Hebrew and Greek being dead languages, the meanings of words no longer shifts in those languages like it does in our own. So when Strongs or others say that shem meant character, position, nature, mark and authority in addition to name when Yahweh inspired it to be used by His prophets, it still means all of those things.

Now I agree that context is important--but there are three types of context: place and time, subject, and proximity. This is why I wrote Prophet of Doom in chronological order, referencing place and time, while keeping verses the within their contextual flow. But then I added a 170 page appendix that reordered the 3000 most important quotes in the context of topic. As I review the Bible for the book on prophecy, I am dealing with these same forms of context--all of which help shine light on the intended meanings and message.

You then say:

Sam, this is not a good argument.

In all fairness, that is my argument against your claim that the word
Trinity isn't in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). That is a very bad argument.

Sam, I know what you were trying to say, I just don't think you used examples that helped your cause. That is why I dealt with them individually in my reply.

Now, as for my point, while it's possible that Yahweh wants us to know something that He does not explicitly say, it's not as likely as if He actually said it. And that's all I meant by the word Trinity not being there. It is less likely that the concept of Trinity is important to Him if He doesn't say it or explain it, that's all.

When we extrapolate
in this way, implying that the words don't matter, we
can get ourselves into all kinds of trouble.

In all fairness you are now misrepresenting me. I didn't say words
didn't matter, they do. I said that the word Trinity isn't required to be in
the Bible in order for it to be true.

Your criticism here is valid. Your email was phrased in such a way that my comment was potentially valid, but not necessarily so. I am hyper sensitive about man made doctrines. Thanks to Constantine and the RCC, much of what Christians practice as Christianity is actually Satanic. The more I study, the more concerned I become with how lost the church has become.

And I have read very old and very well researched pieces on the creation of the Trinity doctrine and how and why the word "persons" or "personas" was first used as a subset of Greek philosophy. It's too long to cover here, but the bottom line is that in the context of the time the position was first articulated, persona in a philosophical sense meant manifestations. The word meaning has shifted over time giving folks the wrong impression that persona was to mean three individuals.

Unless you are trying to argue that we cannot use unbiblical terms to explain what the Bible teaches, then I really don't see your point. In fact, if we take this argument to its logical conclusion we shouldn't even be having this conversation in English since the Bible writers didn't speak English.

Now here you are wrong. This issue isn't what language we are speaking. The issue is Hebrew and Greek both had a word for three and didn't use it as it relates to God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). That's significant, although not totally conclusive. Therefore, the concept of Trinity is extra Biblical in any language. And there is no problem having a discussion of the Bible using words that convey concepts foreign or extracurricular to the Biblical writers. But when we do, we are not on nearly as strong a doctrinal footing as we would be when we use appropriate and full translations of Scriptural nomenclature.

We need to start speaking Hebrew and Greek and use their thought patterns and expressions.

No we don't. We just need to understand the implications of the words they were inspired to use in all three contexts to more fully understand Yahweh's Scripture. Fortunately, there are wonderful tools available to us and the task has been made much easier.

And I know this is not what you believe. Therefore, your claim that
trinity isn't in the Bible doesn't really prove anything.

While I've covered this before, the fact that neither the Hebrew or Greek writer were inspired over the course of 1500 pages to link the word three with God is very significant. It is evidence, not proof in and of itself. That is why I said it in one brief sentence and then provided you with several hundred sentences which provided much more important evidence. Again, if one sentence were sufficient to demonstrate an important Divine truth, Yahweh wouldn't have given us so much Scripture.

And there are far too many words and thoughts that politically
and economically minded clerics have added to Bible
translations that actually corrupt Yahweh's message. I
think you'd be surprised by what I discovered when
writing the Ekklesia chapter of Future History.

I am sure there are.

It's just stunning Sam. I hope that your schedule allows you to read some of what I've discovered by amplifying Yahweh's Scriptures in Future History. He has revealed things that are the antithesis of what most Christians practice. And please understand, I am now way suggesting that you fall into this group, although I once did. The issue of Trinity has roots in the Babylonian religion, yet unlike Christmas and Easter, a case can be made for it using Scripture. The place where you and I seem to differ is persona vs. manifestation. I believe that Yahweh is Yahshua is the Holy Spirit and thus that Yahshua and the Holy Spirit are just manifestations of Himself that Yahweh used and uses to reach out to us, to show us what He's like, to demonstrate His love, to atone for our sins, and to comfort and empower us.

Moreover, pertaining to this paragraph, Yahshua
considered the OT Scripture. While I believe that the
NT was inspired and while I trust what it says, based
upon what it says and how it says it, the NT does not
call itself Scripture.

You are incorrect here. I have documented from the New Testament itself
where specific books are identified as Scripture. You can read my
research here:

http://./Responses/Menj/inspired.htm

http://./Responses/Saifullah/bravo3.htm

Let me give you just one example.

Paul writes in his first epistle to Timothy:

"For THE SCRIPTURE says, ‘Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out
the grain,' and ‘The worker deserves his wages.'" 1 Timothy 5:18

Paul quotes Deuteronomy 25:4 AND LUKE 10:7:

"Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for
the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house."
Luke 10:7

Paul calls Luke's Gospel Scripture and places it on the same level of
Moses' writings! Additional evidence that Paul is citing Luke's Gospel can be
seen from a comparison of the Greek:

Luke 10:7 - ... axios gar ho ergates tou misthou autou.

1 Timothy 5:18 - ... axios ho ergates tou misthou autou.

There is more evidence in the links I gave you.

Sam, I have read all of the evidence and while I view the NT as Scripture because it shows every sign of being inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the OT, and because of its prophecy, the case for the NT calling itself Scripture is, in my opinion, weak. Yes I know what Paul has to say about Luke, but that's as good as it gets. There isn't any verification as to which books belong and which should have been excluded. The final determination was made under the rule of a Satan worshiper in very politicized circumstances by the vote of men. And in Future History, I believe in the Ekklesia chapter, I amplify how Paul differentiates between his letters and the OT. In it, Paul references, in my opinion, and in the opinion of many scholars, the value of amplification, in that is was a rabbinical practice during his day. Now mind you, on this point, our only point of contention is whether the NT calls its books Scripture. We both agree that the NT was inspired by Yahweh and thus is Scripture. Like I said, prophecy alone proves it.

Now if you are saying that we do not find any book or passage saying
that the entire New Testament canon is inspired, that argument would also be
true of the Old Testament. We do not have any specific or explicit statement
in either sections telling us the exact length of the OT, nor do all the
books of the OT begin with "Thus saith the Lord," or "The Word of the Lord
came to such and such" etc.

But we do have confirmation from Yahshua of the OT canon. He quoted from most books and didn't refute the appropriateness of any. And we know precisely what the OT canon was, and precisely what each book said during the days Christ preached. The Dead Sea Scrolls act as irrefutable confirmation. So, as a believer that Yahshua is Yahweh, the fact that He validated the Scriptural canon of what we now call the OT is, absolute proof.

And by they way, Yahweh almost never, if ever, inspired a prophet, wise man, or scribe to write "thus saith the Lord," or "the word of the Lord." He almost always used His shem--Yahweh. And that's real important.

And this is precisely what I was asking you. How do you know what
either the Old or New Testament actually is if you only stick to the Bible? You
don't. But that is a different subject.

I've just covered this. We know absolutely for the OT in that Yahshua confirmed it. As for the NT, we know as well but for different reasons. The first is Yahweh's most used test--prophecy. One errant prediction and the prophet is false and thus not inspired. Further, the intellect, personality, nature, character teachings of the NT are equivalent to the magnificence of those things in the OT. It is obvious that they were inspired by the same Spirit. And all of this can be determined by sticking explicitly to the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

And by comparison to the OT,
the NT has been very poorly preserved. Further, the
author of a book is meaningless if Yahweh inspired the
words. And thankfully, He gave us a test for that,
called prophecy.

Sorry. Have to disagree with you even here. There are fewer OT MSS in
comparison to the NT.

If you mean that there are more variants within the NT textual
tradition, well that is to be expected seeing that we have more extant MSS than we
do for the OT. But again, more MSS means there will be more variants. Yet
since we have so many extant MSS of the NT, its text is assured beyond
dispute.

In fact, having fewer MSS doesn't give us a high degree of certainty
regarding whether the book is preserved and accurately reflects the
originals, since these extant copies could have been made off of
corrupt versions.

Furthermore, most of the extant copies of the OT are actually hundreds
of years removed from the originals. For instance, we do not have any
copies of the Pentateuch which comes within a generation from the time of Moses,
but we do have copies of the NT that do.

Now, I am not saying that the OT hasn't been preserved. I do believe it
has. I am just taking exception with your statements.

Sam, you raise valid points with the number of fragments and manuscripts and with the proximity to the original. I often reference Evidence that Demands a verdict, the work of Josh McDowell, in this regard. I included the points you and he raised in both TWT and POD so we concur here. But you have missed two important elements. First, as it relates to the OT, the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls prove that the text has been faithfully preserved for 2250 years. That is very significant. While we don't have many old copies, what we have today is a near perfect match for what existed over 2000 years ago. And with the NT you forgot to mention that most every page of most every MSS we possess differs with the other MSS. Many scholars say most every line differs in one way or another. Now, that does not mean that they differ on any major theological issue or that we can't reasonably reconstruct something that is very close to what was originally written, but our confidence regarding exactitude must be tempered with the reality of the evidence.

Third, prophecy in of itself doesn't prove canonicity. See for instance
Deuteronomy 13:1-5.

In fact using your criteria you have just argued for the canonicity of
the book of Wisdom, chapter 2, from the NAB version:

Sam, at this point you quote more than I have time to read this evening. In FH I reference many places in which Yahweh tells us that the purpose of prophecy is to demonstrate that He is the inspiration behind His words. You seem to be more concerned with canonicity than I am or that Yahweh is. All I know is that only Yahweh can maneuver in time and thus correctly predict the future all of the time without exception. And I know that a quarter of the Bible was prophetic when it was written for a reason--it proves that it was inspired by God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

12 2 3 Let us beset the just one, because he is obnoxious to us; he sets
himself against our doings, Reproaches us for transgressions of the law
and charges us with violations of our training.
13 He professes to have knowledge of God and styles himself a child of the
LORD.
14 To us he is the censure of our thoughts; merely to see him is a
hardship for us,
15 Because his life is not like other men's, and different are his ways.
16 He judges us debased; he holds aloof from our paths as from things
impure.
He calls blest the destiny of the just and boasts that God is his
Father.
17 Let us see whether his words be true; let us find out what will happen
to
him.
18 For if the just one be the son of God, he will defend him and deliver
him from the hand of his foes.
19 With revilement and torture let us put him to the test that we may have
proof of his gentleness and try his patience.
20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death; for according to his own words,
God will take care of him."

Here it is from the RSV:

[12] "Let us lie in wait for the righteous man,
because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions;
he reproaches us for sins against the law,
and accuses us of sins against our training.
[13] He professes to have knowledge of God,
and calls himself a child of the Lord.
[14] He became to us a reproof of our thoughts;
[15] the very sight of him is a burden to us,
because his manner of life is unlike that of others,
and his ways are strange.
[16] We are considered by him as something base,
and he avoids our ways as unclean;
he calls the last end of the righteous happy,
and boasts that God is his father.
[17] Let us see if his words are true,
and let us test what will happen at the end of his life;
[18] for if the righteous man is God's son, he will help him,
and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries.
[19] Let us test him with insult and torture,
that we may find out how gentle he is,
and make trial of his forbearance.
[20] Let us condemn him to a shameful death,
for, according to what he says, he will be protected."

Now compare this with Matthew 27:

As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and
they forced him to carry the cross. 33They came to a place called Golgotha
(which means The Place of the Skull). 34There they offered Jesus wine to
drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it. 35When
they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots.[2]
36And sitting down, they kept watch over him there. 37Above his head they
placed the written charge against him:|sc THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
38Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his
left.
39Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads 40and
saying, "You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three
days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!"
41In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the
elders mocked him. 42"He saved others," they said, "but he can't save himself!
He's the King of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will
believe in him. 43He trusts in God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Let God rescue him now if he wants
him, for he said, 'I am the Son of God.' " 44In the same way the robbers who
were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

How did the author of Wisdom accurately predict the sufferings of
Christ at the hands of those who thought they were righteous? Therefore, seeing
that Wisdom contains accurate prophecy of the sufferings of the Messiah, it
must be canonical.

Getting one prediction right can be significant but it is not proof in itself. Moreover, this prediction was made in Psalm 22 and in Isaiah 53. So it well could have been copied.

Let me just comment on some points real quickly:

We misunderstand why Yahshua used the term son.
Yahshua was not a second generation Deity, which means
he could not have been Yahweh's son in the sense we
use the word. In the Messianic manifestation, Yahweh
demonstrated the kind of relationship He was seeking
with us by establishing a tangible example in Yahshua.

It may be true that some may misunderstand, but it is not the case that
all misunderstand. I don't know of any informed Trinitarian who says that
Yahshua's sonship makes him a second generation Deity.

I know that and that was my point. Sonship as we use the word requires the son to be a generation after the father. So, in that sense, Yahshua would have had to be a second generation Deity if He were literally Yahweh's son as we use the word. Since Yahshua wasn't a second generation Deity, His Sonship is meant to imply a spiritual truth and to convey an important example for us to emulate.

Besides, Yahweh, whom you believe is one in Persons, doesn't need to
demonstrate the kind of relationship he seeks with us by manifesting as
his own Son, since a Son implies personal and relational distinctions which
per your view Yahweh does not have.

Sam, I'm worn out. I haven't the energy to repeat what I've already said or to amplify further the reasons Yahweh chose to call Himself in the Messianic manifestation the Son of man and the Son of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). They are important and I intend to include them in an upcoming book but it's too much to write in this email.

Thanks, it was a typo. I made the change. However,
Yahshua being in Yahweh and Yahweh being in Yahshua,
when put in the context of the whole statement is the
same as saying that Yahweh is Yahshua and Yahshua is
Yahweh. That is the point of the whole chapter.

I don't agree that this proves that Yahshua Yahweh anymore than Yahweh
living in the disciples and in us makes all of us Yahweh.

Now you are arguing with Yahweh, not me. Amplify and read John 1 and all of John 14 again. If you do not think that Yahshua said that He was Yahweh, I don't know how to convince you.

"I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world,
and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your
name--the name you gave me--so THAT THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE... My prayer is
not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through
their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and
I am in you. May they also be IN US so that the world may believe that you
have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be
one as we are one: I IN THEM AND YOU IN ME. May they be brought to complete
unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even
as you have loved me." John 17:20-23

I believe there are better proofs to show that Yahshua is Yahweh, but
not the Father, since Yahweh is not unipersonal.

Are you saying that when Yahshua was referencing the Father He was referencing a God other than Yahweh? I don't understand what you are saying here. And as for your capitalized pronoun, US, it is the royal we used throughout scripture. Language makes it very difficult to list three manifestations and not use us, we, our and them. Elohiym is the plural of El and yet no scholar ever translates it Gods. And that is because it's used as the royal we.

Your other examples show that you are oneness. You say:

For example: my name is Craig;
there is only one of me. Yet I am a father, a son, and a comforter to my family.

The problem is that you are not your own father, nor are you your own
son. You are someone else's son and someone else's father. Yet you are
saying that Yahweh is his own Son and he is his own Father, so your analogy is
bad here and doesn't reflect what you believe about Yahweh at all.

Yahshua manifests Himself as Father, as Son, and as Comforter. That's as far as the analogy goes.

Water's three forms—ice
liquid, and vapor—are all pure water. Their
substance
does not changed—just their manifestation as a
result
of their level of energy.

But again this analogy is not at all analogous with your belief in
Yahweh's manifestations. For instance, you believe, I assume, that Yahweh is
Spirit while at the same time he manifests as the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit
and Yahweh are two manifestations which speak to and know each other. See
John 4:24; Romans 8:26-27; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12

So you are basically saying that Yahweh who is Spirit manifests himself
as Spirit and then talks to himself. Then in what way can the Holy Spirit
be a manifestation of Yahweh when Yahweh is both Holy and Spirit by nature?
So what's the purpose of even manifesting himself as the Holy Spirit when
he already is both Holy and Spirit, and then talk to that manifestation?

Yes, manifestations can interact and they can work together. This is true with the water example and it is true with Yahweh. Yahweh is Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the manifestation of His Spirit that Yahweh gives us. The HS is not all of Yahweh. The HS does not make us Yahweh. But it does mean that a manifestation of Yahweh is in us.

Anyway Craig, you clearly deny that Yahweh exists in three Persons,
which means that you are in fact affirming oneness theology. You know that
both positions cannot be biblically correct. They can both be wrong.
Therefore, one of us is holding to a false and heretical view of Yahweh.

Here is a site that biblically refutes oneness teachings:

www.christiandefense.org

I hope and pray that God guides us both to his truth and that we never
compromise that truth.

Please read those files that I sent you with an open heart. I love your
work against Muslims, but our views of God are contradictory and cannot be
reconciled.

Take care.
Sam

Sam, I obviously disagree with both your assessment of the oneness of Yahweh and with your insistence on three Gods. But remember, the Trinity issue was more important to you than anything else--it's all you wanted to know about what I believed in your first email. You have made one issue your litmus test. Since it's not Yahweh's litmus test, I wonder why it is yours? And I wonder why you call yourself a Trinitarian? I call myself a Yahudi--a follower of Yah. While I may be wrong on many things, I know that there are far more important issues to our Creator than the one that you have made the ultimate dividing line.

I?d be pleased to confirm what the Scriptures say about Yahweh?s nature. But first, I feel compelled to warn you that focusing on one aspect of Yahweh?s teaching is more likely to be divisive than unifying?and that is especially true as it relates to the ?Trinity.? Such was the case with Sam. Rather than capitalizing on my desire for us to work together and form a productive relationship, he chose to debate the nuances of one of many hundreds of spiritual issues -- and one no one can ever fully comprehend or explain. Then to make matters worse, he maximized the points of disagreement rather than agreement. His focus turned something that could have done tremendously good, into something that is now viewed negatively by both of us.

To begin, the doctrine of the Trinity is not presented in Scripture so any position on this subject requires the author to interpret and extrapolate. If the acceptance any particular view on this subject was important, I can assure you that Yahweh?s prophets, wise men and scribes would have mentioned it in passing at least once over the course of 2000 pages and 2000 years. So while I am confident that the concept of ?manifestation? is accurate, and that the doctrine Sam endorses of ?persons? is errant, it is far less important then he and others would have you believe. With that in mind, I?ll gladly address your requests. (Craig)

Please explain why you use the word "manifestation" rather than "persons."

That?s a perfect place to begin since this debate is over a word. So let?s examine what that word ?person? means first.

Person is defined by Webster as ?a human being, a man, a woman, or a child.? Yahweh created these so He isn?t these. However, He can manifest Himself as one of these. The next definitions of ?person? are equally errant when applied to Yahweh. They are: ?the individual personality of a human being,? and ?the body of a human being.? By the time we reach the 4th through 7th definitions, we still are missing the mark with ?person:? ?the body in its external aspect,? ?a partnership or corporation, recognized by law as having rights and duties,? ?a grammatical category applied to pronouns and verbs used to distinguish between the speaker of an utterance, the person addressed, and other people or things spoken about.? The 8th and final definition, in order of preference in common usage is: ?any of the three modes of being in the Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.? Here, the word is simply used but not defined and thus it has no meaning. And worse than having no meaning, one has to disregard the 7 most common actual definitions of the word to understand a use that is not defined. Thus according to Webster, using ?persons? to define Yahweh?s nature is senseless.

Now, let?s turn to the word I prefer to use. Webster defines ?manifestation? as: ?the act of manifesting, to make the nature of something clear, an outward and perceptible indication, a public demonstration.? All four definitions fit perfectly.

In that regard, I stumbled upon something interesting while writing The Future?s History. Daniel is the only place where the word the Hebrew word Messiah is used as a title. Consider what Gabriel, the source of this revelation had to say about Him.

While predictions regarding the Messiah?s nature, advents, mission and message permeate the Tanakh, the title itself can only be found twice in the entirety of Yahweh?s Scripture. Both occurrences are right here in Daniel. With that in mind, we must look very carefully at what is being said??until the Mashiyach (Anointed, Consecrated, Messiah), the Nagiyd (from nagad?the one who stands out front, boldly and opposite, manifesting and announcing, exposing, predicting, explaining, praising, certifying, declaring, denouncing, expounding plainly as a messenger rehearsing the report; an honorable leader in all aspects of life?physical and spiritual, a Governor and a Prince)??

?Anointed? means to be covered by or filled with Yahweh?s Spirit. And while that?s important, let?s examine what ?Nagiyd? says about the nature of the Messiah. He will be a ?manifestation who announces and exposes? specifically what Yahweh is like and what must be done to reach Him. The ?Anointed One will stand out in front of men??a very clear and accurate presentation of the purpose of Yahweh?s Messianic manifestation. God took the form of a man to demonstrate His nature in front of men.

Would the ?tri-unity? of time (past, present, future), and the example of height, depth, and width be appropriate analogies? While each component is indistinguishable and inseparable from the others, at the same time it's true that each are unique. And as with your water, vapor, ice analogy each are made up of the same substance, yet each have unique characteristics: ice is not vapor, vapor is not liquid, liquid is not ice. Yet they are indistinguishable and inseparable in their substance. Is this a correct reflection of your views?

Yes, within reason. No metaphor is perfect. But water (ice, liquid, and vapor), our physical world (height, width, and depth), and time (past, present, and future) are all three manifestations of the same thing. Height is not width yet without width, height is meaningless, for example.

Here is a quote I pulled from the www.christiandefense.org ? the site which Sam is convinced refutes what he believes you?re teaching:

Quote: ?In Oneness theology God exists as a unipersonal monad, that temporarily manifested as the "modes," "roles," or "offices" of the "Father," "Son," or "Holy Spirit" at different times. The unipersonal deity of Oneness theology lives in absolute solitude. Hence they deny that God has revealed Himself in three distinct coequal, coeternal, and coexistent Persons. In the end, their theology is decidedly unitarian, which denies the the Person Jesus Christ as revealed in Scripture.?

Because you have read my books, articles and replies to emails, you know that one of the most common flaws of those unwilling or unable to engage in rational, evidence-based debate is to manufacturer their own opponent so that they have a foe that you can defeat. It?s call making a straw man. Such is the case here. Much of what is said is grossly inconsistent with my position. Although, it begins correctly. Yahweh preaches Oneness, so there is nothing incorrect about ?oneness.?

But from that point on, the ?Oneness? position articulated is a grossly inaccurate. For example, in The Future?s History, I demonstrate that Yahweh?s Scripture is fixated on personal relationship?beriyth?so to rebuke me based on the silly notion that I see Yahweh as ?a unipersonal monad,? is a straw man.

Incidentally, the preferred meanings of ?monad? are derogatory. Webster?s most preferred definitions says it means ?flagellated?or whipped, punished, berated, runner-like and branched like a strawberry.? The second definition of monad is ?a protozoan, an element or atom.? Webster?s third most popular definition claims it means ?a group having a valence, or a chemical binding of atoms, of one.? Next, Webster claims a monad is something that is an ?indivisible, metaphysical, thus highly abstract and abstruse, hard to understand and esoteric entity that displays extensive imagination and conceit while having an autonomous life.? I cannot even fathom why anyone would make up such a disgusting view of Yahweh.

Moving on from ?unipersonal monad? we discover that according to some, believing that Yahweh is One, somehow suggests that He is ?temporary.? There is nothing temporary about Yahweh. It is one of the many reasons understanding and using His name, ?I Am,? is so important. I Am means Yahweh is infinite in the dimension of time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). Therefore, by definition, Yahweh?s manifestations as the Holy Spirit and as Yahshua cannot be temporary.

The Messianic savior and spiritual Comforter manifestations of Yahweh do, however, serve specific roles in their ministry to mankind, so at least that portion of the ?oneness? definition is accurate. A manifestation is distinct in the way water, when heated turns to vapor and when chilled turns to ice. These manifestations of the one thing?water?are distinctly different even though they are made of the same substance. And they perform different roles when in their different manifestations.

The quote?s use of ?absolute? is also correct. According to Webster, absolute means ?being fully or perfectly as indicated, complete and free from restriction or limitation.? And while there are some things that Yahweh cannot do, like lie, be immoral, and visit hell, I agree that the most common definition of absolute fits Him.

But sadly, the authors of this position go astray at ?solitude.? Webster defines it as ?the state of being or living alone and in seclusion, remoteness.? It is thus the antithesis of personal relationship and therefore the antithesis of the Scripture?s presentation of Yahweh.

As we move on, for the position piece?s "hence" and "therefore" to have merit, what proceeds them must have merit. Since what went before ?hence? is cesspool of blasphemous words, hence is rendered moot.

As for ?deny,? I see Yahshua exactly as Yahshua presented Himself when He was asked by His disciples to ?show us the Father.? It is why I quoted and amplified John 14 in my second reply to Sam and in both POD and in The Future?s History. Yahshua said that He is Yahweh and that He is the Holy Spirit. I believe Him.

?Coequal? is a very divisive term when it comes to Yahshua and the Holy Spirit. Reason and reality chafe at easy and comfortable definitions. It?s hard to fathom the Yahshua manifestation of Yahweh as coequal as it would mean that all of the substance, spirit and energy of Yahweh, as well as His infinity in time, would fit into the body of a man. And it would require the transfigured and the resurrected Messiah to be identical to Christ on every other occasion, thus rendering the purpose of these things moot. And it fails to contemplate what required Yahshua to ask why Yahweh?s Spirit had left Him on the cross. Equally odd would be the idea that the Holy Spirit as He resides in us is all of Yahweh?thus His complete equal. Manifestations of the same thing do not necessarily have to be equal. For example an ice cube and an iceberg are both frozen water but they are not equivalent in mass.

Trinitarians, as they call themselves, are fixated is on the word ?Persons??something that was derived from the Greek philosophers of old. When Christian theologians first conceived the word ?Trinity? and applied it to Yahweh, they used Greek philosophy to make their point. I have read two scholastic articles that were derived from a rebuttal of the Islamic claims that the Trinity of three Persons makes Christianity pagan. Both scholars went to the root inception of the doctrine of the Trinity and thus they exposed the origins of ?persons.? In that the Greek philosophical usage was synonymous with today?s definition of ?manifestations,? I believe that the first scholars to tackle this subject were right. But when we consider the word ?persons? out of the context of Greek philosophy, it has an entirely different meaning. So today, based upon the common understanding of the word ?persons? it would mean that there are three distinct gods and that is not true.

The last line of the quote from the Trinitarian site, simply proves why creating and defeating straw men is a fool?s folly. ?In the end, their theology is decidedly unitarian, which denies the the Person Jesus Christ as revealed in Scripture.? Jumping to this conclusion based upon their definition of their opponent is an abomination.

Here is another quote from the same website. Quote: All non-Christians cults have one definitive commonality: they deny that Jesus Christ is eternal God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). By asserting that God is unipersonal (one Person) Oneness leaders teach that Jesus Christ (as the Person of the Son) did not exist before Bethlehem. As with Jehovah's Witnesses, Oneness theology teaches that the Person of Jesus Christ was created at a point in time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). Hence, Jesus is reduced to a mere temporary "manifestation," "role," or "office" called the "Son." (or "dimension" as Oneness advocate T .D. Jakes)

This clip is worse than the one before it. The Scripture says that Yahshua is Yahweh and that Yahweh is eternal. That is what I believe. As for ?son,? Yahshua clearly meant something different than our common use of the word as the common usage would make Yahshua a second generation god. Since that is not true, I believe that Yahshua used the terms ?son of man? and ?son of God? to demonstrate in a tangible way for us the kind of up close and personal relationship He wants to develop with us?Father-son.

The rest of this quote is such a lame attempt at creating a straw man, it isn?t worthy of a reply. Some may hold those odd views, but to associate them to me because I?m a believer that Yahweh is one God, not three, is ridiculous.

By way of quick review, we know that Yahweh chose to manifest His Spirit inside of some of His prophet?s of old. We know that at Pentecost?the Miqra of Weeks?Yahweh sent His Spirit to dwell in, empower, instruct, and comfort His Ekklesia. Once joined, His Spirit will never leave us. The Anointed, Messianic, Yahshua manifestation of Yahweh existed in eternity and yet came to earth 2000 years ago and will come to earth again on the Miqra of Tabernacles in 2033. His mission is defined in His name?Yah-Saves. The Yahshua manifestation, like the Holy Spirit manifestation of Yahweh, are Yahweh and thus they exist?infinite in the dimension of time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). Yahweh does not have to cease being Yahweh, nor is Yahweh diminished or even divided when Yahweh manifests Himself in the form of Yahshua or the Holy Spirit. Yahweh uses these manifestations of Himself to ?make the nature of something clear, an outward and perceptible indication, a public demonstration.? These manifestations can obviously exist at the same time as Yahweh did not vanish when Yahshua appeared on earth and Yahweh did not evaporate when He sent His Spirit to reside in us.

As we clearly saw above, the two clowns and stooges are full of confusion and blasphemy! They follow nothing but man-made lies and conclusions. As Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them. (The Noble Quran, 4:156-159)"

Indeed, the Christians follow nothing but conjecture and doubts. Please visit the following links for further proofs:

Hebrews 5:7-8 confirm Islam's claim about Jesus never got crucified and contradicts the Bible! According to the documentary film, "Banned from the Bible", which I watched on the History Channel, some of Saint Peter's apocalypse were banned from the current Bible, and these Epistles contain what Islam claims - that Jesus didn't get crucified on the cross and it only appeared that he was. This banned part also says that Jesus was standing next to the cross laughing. These are the parts of the Bible that only few people in the world know about.

According to the documentary film, the apocalypse was very popular among Christians during the 2nd century. They believed "it was spiritually inspired" by GOD Almighty to Saint Peter. They actually had doubts about "John's apocalypse", which is known today as "the Book of Revelation". Interestingly also, this apocalypse says that after GOD Almighty fills both Heaven and Hell with inhabitants from Mankind, and the people of Hell get tortured for a long period of time, the People of Heaven will ask and Pray to GOD Almighty to Forgive the people of Hell. GOD Almighty will then eventually listen to their Prayers, and will order the "Gates and the Steel Bars of Hell" to be opened and allow the people of Hell to enter Heaven for Good. This apocalypse of Peter seems to also perfectly fit Noble Verse 7:40 in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty Promised that He will eventually open the Gates of Heaven to all disbelievers and empty Hell. Please visit: Hell will eventually be empty according to Islam.

Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus?
It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross. I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken. My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion. I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10. I also showed in Isaiah 52:13 "...he will be raised and lifted up....", which clearly and perfectly agrees with Islam about Jesus never died on the cross. "Raised and lifted" suggests that Jesus will be picked up right from the cross, or saved right from the cross by Allah Almighty. It suggests that Jesus will not die, nor get crucified, but rather be raised and lifted by GOD Almighty to Heavens.

The early Christians rejected Trinity. Early Christians had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified or not.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word ~~was God~~ was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [2] [3])."

Other important links:

"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

Eesa

is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor

"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why? [1] [2]

So, what was the Gospel of Jesus Christ then, i.e., the Injil of Jesus Christ? Even among Christians, this remains a mystery. But the Didache; a Gospel which existed even before the current Bible-Gospels (or canonized Gospels), contains a great deal of teachings of Jesus Christ. The following points are important to always keep in mind: (1)- No single Scripture, the Didache or any other Scripture, is 100% pure and accurate. There are always forgeries and alterations. This is the same with every single book and gospel. (2)- The Original Teachings of Christ exist in Scriptures that are in the Bible and outside the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Jesus is Yahweh the Son? See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

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Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]. 200 years no gospels | 24 other thrones besides Jesus' | Jesus' problematic hyperboles: made sinful lawful and lawful sinful | Jesus was created | Isaiah 53 mistranslations

Oxymoron Trinity: Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25), but yet he doesn't know when the Hour of the resurrection will come (Matthew 24:36) [1], and he had to cry, weep and beg GOD to resurrect Lazarus back to life. And this proves he is our Creator? And how is he exactly The Resurrection? Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless.

John 5:30 "I cannot do anything on my own." (i.e., I am totally powerless. In other verses, Jesus could not even perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!). And Jesus could not determine who gets to sit on his right and on his left in Heaven. Only GOD alone decides this, Jesus said. He also said:

John 5:31 "If I (Jesus) bear withness of myself, then I would be a liar!"

Matthew 9:3-4: Jesus said: Thinking I am GOD is an evil thought!

Contradictions in Jesus' miracle-less miracles. Mustard seed of faith and Great Faith both still failed: [1].

Except GOD Alone! Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν. Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν. He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.

Is the metaphoric Son of GOD title supported in the Glorious Quran? Yes. Here are several Noble Verses that do support it. Was even used for both followers of satan and GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Doubting Thomas couldn't raise Jesus?? No way!! He raised many before (Matthew 10:7-8):

Thomas raised many people from the dead (Matthew 10:7-8). Yet, he and the disciples could not raise Jesus back to life after the crucifixion? Not only that, but they all fled, and Thomas became the "doubting Thomas" because he did not believe that the man who returned was Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). But did you not raise people from the dead already, Thomas? What happened there? You could've raised Jesus himself back to life with your own hands! Yet, it was impossible for you to believe that it was Jesus who returned? Why?

www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/arabs_no_longer_jews_dogs.htm

These alleged miracles are very loud! If you raise people from the dead, then the entire land of Palestine would've heard about it. Yet, nothing recorded historically about them. So do we have here loud miracles or loud lies?

Also, 1 John 2:22 church-written lie is discussed further down in details in this table. Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers.

Doubting Thomas supposedly said (in Greek???) "My Lord and my God" to Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). The church thoroughly admits that NT is badly altered, and earliest copies of NT don't date before year 200. So not only the Aramaic original language of Jesus was never documented, hence his original sayings are permanently lost, but the Greek writings (a language Jesus never spoke) had been badly corrupted. Trinity and all its faulty analysis are based on writings that are totally off (different language and phrases spoken altogether) and utter nonsense. Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh. Jesus said he was greater than Moses. Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty. All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest. Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator. And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty. He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.

Except GOD Alone! Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν. Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν. He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.

Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion. Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits). King of kings for Jesus does not refer to the corrupt earthly kings and thieves. They were offered to Jesus before during his temptation by satan, and Jesus ultimately refused them all. Jesus is the king of the twelve thrones inside his Mansion. Other people in the OT were called King of kings also. So the title is not even unique to Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Allah is the GOD of the Bibles: [1]

Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1,*] [2] [3]. The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty. The root Word is "Eloh". And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah. Jews do call Him: Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah. See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs. Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah". So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh. It is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway. Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew. And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician. See the following links:

"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

Eesa is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor

"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

(Click to play videos)

"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

Eesa is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor

"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

Daniel 3:26 in Aramaic says "Servants of Allah (GOD Most High GOD)".

Sam Shamoun showed where portions of his OT is mixed between Hebrew and Aramaic writings. He also unintentionally proved that the Hebrew "ben" (son) is not the same as the Aramaic "bar" (wrongly gets translated as "son"). The correct and accurate translation is for "bar" is "the chosen pious one". Again, Allah Almighty has NO DIVINE SON. He considers the pious chosen ones as close BARS. The Aramaic and Arabic are the same in this one. See the ample verses and analysis in the video.

Please also visit: The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

Yahweh is Baal to the Jews in Isaiah 54:5 and Hosea 2:16. Exposing the Christians' pagan-god Baal lie.

Contradictions in Jesus' miracle-less miracles. Mustard seed of faith and Great Faith both still failed: [1].

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues:

Click to play video [1]. Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of
earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale."

Jonah was alive: But Jonah was always alive in his ordeal. He was alive on the shore,
alive in the whale's belly, and alive when vomited out of the whale. Alive, alive, alive!

This Prophecy is a lie! Jesus laid on the floor, got healed, and got up and
left. He was never inside any coffin nor ever got buried. Also, because 100s
of thousands of pilgrims were coming to Jerusalem for the Passover, the
Romans had to rush his "crucifixion" and bring him down. The soldiers were
even denied food due to lack of time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).
Jesus never got crucified: [1] [2] [3] [4]. The OT and NT clearly spell it out. He was saved.

Matthew 27:16-17: There were two Jesuses! Not one. Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

‏[004:156] That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
[004:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
[004:158] Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

Divine Setup for Conjecture:

Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit

Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.


"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

Eesa  is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor

"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

"... but so it was made to appear to them..." (Quran 4:157)

The two double-Jesus men & Pontus Pilate in Matthew 27:16-17:

According to the Gospel of Matthew, Pontus Pilate was standing between two double-Jesus men:

1- Jesus Barabbas.
2- Jesus Barabbas.

"...The Bibles' Christ was put on the cross for three hours. Any one of us would've survived this silly crucifixion. Your human body, when faced with death, can become 10+ times stronger, more resilient, more resistant and more stubborn than normal. This is what would enable you, for example, to lift an entire truck with your bare hands if your precious child was under it. Similarly, if you were put on the cross for three silly hours, your body would've survived it. A soldier was placed on the cross for 63 hours and still lived to tell the world about it." (Source)

Again, a Divine Setup for Conjecture.

Was Jesus Christ Crucified?


At hour 1:00:00 - 1:25:00, Dr. Zakir Naik really sealed
this debate and destroyed Christianity!

This is yet another wonderful 3-hour debate and video by
Dr. Zakir Naik where he thoroughly demonstrated from
the Bible's New Testament that Jesus Christ was never
crucified, nor did he ever rise from the dead. This 3-hour
debate was between Dr. Zakir Naik and Pastor Rukni.




Psalm 91 promises Jesus will never get hurt or die. Satan in the NT challenged Jesus on Psalm 91. Yashua (salvation) is the last word in Psalm 91, and it also happens to be one of Jesus' names in the New Testament.

Here is my shortened version video. Dr. Naik also provided many more verses than the following ones. But the following verses and points were from my shortened version video. See also this text-debate [2] between me and a Christian brother on my blog. You're welcomed to join in.

Christianity's Salvation Lie:

Because Christianity's scriptures didn't get documented for 200+ years after Jesus, the Church and Christians had developed and invented the crucifixion lie and its requirement to save a person from Hell (by him believing in it), which had been thoroughly proven from both the Bible and the Glorious Quran, to be a fabricated lie [1]. Salvation verses like John 3:16 and others are all forgeries that were invented by liars 100s of years after the real Eesa , the real Messiah. Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is Iesus. Notice here Jesus' statements:

Matthew 9
12 Jesus heard them and answered, "Healthy people don't need a doctor, but sick people do.
13 Go and learn what the Scriptures mean when they say, ‘Instead of offering sacrifices to me, I want you to be merciful to others (See also Isaiah 1:9-17: Yahweh called Israel Sodom, because it spreads evil and is unjust).' I didn't come to invite good people to be my followers. I only came to invite sinners."

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Being Merciful to others makes you a good person. And Jesus didn't come for you if you are. Jesus didn't come to invite merciful and good people. They're already saved. They need no invitation. The Christian lie about one must accept that Jesus died on the cross for his/her sins is mandatory for their salvation, and that otherwise they'd be doomed to Hell is thoroughly destroyed in Matthew 9:12-13. In fact, both the OT and NT in many passages confirmed that GOD Almighty will save his Messiah from crucifixion and from death and harm.

Matthew 9:12-13 I have not come for you if you're a merciful Jew.

Three Isaiah 53 translation lies:

Three lies in translations of Isaiah 53, as further elaborated below in this table, that need to be clarified:

1- He was assigned a grave. This doesn't mean he was buried in it, because Jesus was never buried in any grave. He laid on the floor inside a tomb (cave-like structure), got healed and got up and left. He was never inside any coffin nor ever got buried inside the earth.

2- He was pierced for our sins. No, he was hurt (the word is not pierced or stabbed) because of "our" (Jews only) sins and transgressions. If you drive with your family and get hit by a drunk driver and your baby ends up getting killed, your baby didn't die for his sin. Your baby died BECAUSE of his sin and transgression. Otherwise, you would not have driven on the same road that day if you knew the future.

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John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook, that we must convict Jesus

Early Church Fathers: Jesus never died for anyone's sins!

Sam Shamoun: The early fathers declared Jesus never died for any sin! Shamoun is
realizing how full of forged lies & conjecture his historical
Christianity is. They declared that Jesus never bore (carried) any sin for anyone on the cross.

Jesus never died for anyone's sins! He was placed on the cross
BECAUSE of (not for) the Jews' sins, and Allah Almighty SAVED HIM.
Read the detailed analysis on Isaiah 53, Psalm 91 and others at:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm

Also see proofs from OT and NT that Jesus transformed himself into lying spirit by GOD's Command to forge Christianity. GOD Almighty in the OT has Commanded it before:

www.answering-christianity.com/spirit.htm

Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52:?

3- In his death. It is talking about his sentencing to death and not actual death. It is also symbolic, because Jesus didn't even stay for 3 hours on the cross (2.a) and was never killed. Plus, Jesus begged GOD (Luke 6:12, Matthew 26:36-44, Matthew 16:39, Matthew 6:5-8) all night to save him from crucifixion and all hurt. all hurt.

Lies about Psalm 91:13:

Some polytheist trinitarian pagans say that Psalm 91:13 proves that Jesus was never crucified:

Psalm 91:13
You will tread on the lion and the adder, the young lion and the serpent you will trample under foot.

They say that Jesus treading (stomping on) the lion and the snake means that he defeated satan via the cross. Satan is called both lion and snake. So Jesus stomped on him by getting crucified (killed on the cross) and resurrecting from death. They also say the NT books such as Matthew and Luke that quote Psalm 91 for Jesus both claim that Jesus was killed on the cross.

Response:

But Psalm 91:14-16 refute this:

14 Because he cleaves to me in love, I will deliver him; I will protect him, because he knows my name.
15 When he calls to me, I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him.
16 With long life I will satisfy him, and show him my salvation.

1- Also, Jesus was only placed for 3 hours on the cross (2.a). They had to pull the plug on crucifixion because the Passover was about to begin, where 1/2 million Jewish pilgrims were to shortly start pouring into Jerusalem. I, Osama Abdallah, would have survived Jesus' crucifixion.

2- Also, Jesus was never killed. He laid on the floor in the tomb, received medical treatment from the two Marys and other women, and then got up and left.

3- The books that say he was killed on the cross were written 200 to 400 years after Jesus. The majority of Christian historians and theologians claim this.

4- Psalm 91:15"...I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him." Clearly declares he will be saved from death.

Merciful Palestinian and Good Neighbor Parable:

5- Jesus said below in Luke 10:25-37, Matthew 9:12-13: If you're merciful, a good neighbor like the Palestinian Samaritan in Luke 10:33, and above all, GOD-Fearing (OT says Jesus was a slave of GOD and GOD-Fearing), then you have nothing to fear. "Do this, and you will live" Jesus said. That's it. Jesus even used good Palestinians in his parable. Dying on the cross is a developed Christian lie centuries after Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). It's a forgery.

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Visit section 2.a in the article.

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Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt.

Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.

The disciples arguing about the Sabbath and other Laws. Jesus promised them that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths and that there will be no arguments, confusions or riddles. Yet, the NT is marred with open arguments, vilifications (calling each other cursed by GOD "anathema", satanic, false, wrong). Where is Jesus' promise?? Totally a false promise!

- Where is Jesus' promise??

- He promised that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths, guide them in all ways, and that it will be the Holy Spirit speaking, not them.
- They ended up splitting into Paul vs. Peter two opposing groups, and were at odds with each other on several theological issues.
- 1 Corinthians 7:40 Paul wasn't sure if he had the Holy Spirit in him or not. He said "I think I have the Holy Spirit".
- Their differences remain unsettled till this day in the NT. They were never resolved.

- 12th disciple was also chosen by holy gambling.

- They were barking at each other like rabid dogs calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic, your gospel is from satan! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52:?

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?

Jesus' oxymoronic hyperboles and incoherence created serious problems blasphemies!

Remember:

If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Holy Gambling:

Sam Shamoun promoted Christianity's Holy Gambling, and he even funded other gamblers. He himself spent 10s of thousands of dollars on it. Also, the 12th disciple, Mathias, was chosen via gambling by the other disciples. They literally rolled the holy dice [1] amongst each other to choose him from among other choices. Then they claimed it was the Holy Spirit that chose him (??). Dice and chance had nothing to do with it.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Yet, Paul admits that he speaks through a lying spirit (Romans 3:7 But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?), while Jesus promised all of the disciples that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths, and that it will not be them speaking, but the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul says he was lying. 12th disciple was also chosen by holy gambling.

Paul and his team of disciples were also calling Peter's team, - and vice versa, - anathema ἀνάθεμα (cursed by GOD), false, bewitched, dogs, and many other things. Jesus' original message got corrupt from the false christianity and the deification of flesh and blood creations like Jesus, Mary and others like they used to do in ancient Europe in Greece, Rome, Byzantine and throughout ancient ancient Europe of three-headed gods and trinities, such as the trinity of Zeus, Athena and Apollo; also Hell's three-headed guardian dog, or the trinity of Delian, Artemis and Apollo and many other ancient trinities. Only Islam completes GOD Almighty's Religion. See ample prophecies. Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).

Dismal Spiritual Failures:

Let us examine the following:

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:

1 Corinthians 2:15
A spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.

How???

How can any flesh and blood sinner not be subjected to judgment? The world has seen how disastrous your pedophilic and corrupt priests, ministers and churches are, from sex abuse on children, theft, prostitution and so much more. Ironically also, Paul and the disciples themselves dismally failed this standard when they turned into rabid dogs in harsh judgments on each other; calling each other cursed, false, liar, satanic, your gospel is from satan! [1] Their books didn't even exist for the first 200 to 300 years, says most Bibles theologians. They are very highly corrupted. Also, Trinity is a lie from Hell. Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52:? There is also conflict regarding misogyny:

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?

Insufficient Jesus:

Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Does Noble Verse 9:31 say that Allah and Jesus are two equal Lords? Also, thorough refutation to توحيد الربوبية (tawheed alruboobiyyah, or Oneness of Lordship between Jesus and Allah) concept by the polytheist trinitarian pagans (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

The Bibles' sacred "book of toilet" ספר קודש של שירותים and praised incestuous rape can be read here. كتاب المرحاض المقدس

***** Bibles' OT and NT: Spirits that GOD Almighty sends down including lying ones in the Bibles. Jesus in several passages was Commanded by GOD to become one to forge falseianity (christianity) because of the ample blasphemies of the Jews.

Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52:?

Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19).

Notice the language of how Satan was:

1. "You were perfect from the day you were created". Jesus was also created from the Word of GOD.
2. Glorious.
3. "the chosen one".
4. The "Anointed".
5. ruler over earth.
6. Ruler over the "Holy Mount" of GOD.

7. Matthew 24:25-27 Jesus will return as an Arabian Messiah from Damascus.

He was all of these and more before arrogance, pride, stubbornness and blasphemies caused Satan to fall from Grace. Jesus then became the substitute, i.e., the Perfect", "Glorious", "the chosen one", the "Anointed", "ruler over earth" and ruler over the "Holy Mount" chosen one of GOD Almighty.

Holy Gambling:

Sam Shamoun promoted Christianity's Holy Gambling, and he even funded other gamblers. He himself spent 10s of thousands of dollars on it. Also, the 12th disciple, Mathias, was chosen via gambling by the other disciples. They literally rolled the holy dice [1] amongst each other to choose him from among other choices. Then they claimed it was the Holy Spirit that chose him (??). Dice and chance had nothing to do with it.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Jesus also said the direction of the Prayer towards Jerusalem will be no more (Psalm 138:2, John 4:21, Matthew 21:43, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 60, Genesis 25:12-13). It will be replaced with the Qibla (direction) to Mecca and the Holy Path to Mecca. Only Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. Christianity is pagan. Even Christmas is an ancient Roman pagan holiday (video clip) according to the Christian theologians themselves:

Jesus too carried the Spirit of GOD in him, and he carried also the Spirit of fearing GOD in him. Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. He also had no Divine Will. Trinity is a lie from Hell.

See also 24 other Thrones and Messiahs besides Jesus (Revelations 4 & 5).

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.

Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.

Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:

Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.

Paul ate his vomit.

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity)

Jesus amputated his unholy testicles and head of penis to remain holy. If his body was holy, were his testicles cursed and unholy, especially that he commanded to maim your sinful body parts? You mean to tell me that they were not part of the Creator of the Universe's body?? Paul said maimed flesh gets sent to satan.

Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?

Sam Shamoun declares that the bibles and trinity
are man-made and are not from the living Word of GOD Almighty.
Sam Shamoun: If Catholicism is false, then the entire NT is a fraud, and there is "no Christianity". It would be like the "pagan worship of Baal". Sam Shamoun also declares the 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries, and declares that if you study the bible logically, then you will become an atheist.
Click to play video clip.

Quran: Bibles are mostly corrupt.

Noble Verses 5:44-49 are thoroughly unpacked in this article. According to the Glorious Quran, there is nothing called new testament, or bible or even old testament. There is the Thikr of Moses, which contains the Wasaya (Commandments, which are the 600+ Law Commandments), which the Prophets before Prophet Muhammad and Islam "the prophets did judge by it" (5:44). Even in the bibles we find in Deuteronomy 4:2 and other places say that the Commandments (600+) must not be mixed with any other text. Also, the Injeel or Injil is not the NT. It is the direct commands of Prophet Eesa (not Jesus), in which he mostly gave beautiful Commandments of Mercy, Compassion, Love, Fasting, Praying and Worshiping GOD Almighty Alone and associating no partners with Him, and also gave glad tidings about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and the new Covenant of Allah Almighty. The Bibles are all corrupt. The Glorious Quran also declares them all to be corrupt. The Glorious Quran also confirms the Messiah, Eesa (not Jesus) and his virgin mother, Marium (not Mary), peace be upon both of them and upon all of the Prophets and Messengers of Allah Almighty (Not even Jesus was given the Book according to the Glorious Quran). We also read in Noble Verses 5:46-49:

Sam Shamoun declares 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries:

How big was the first New Testament?

The early believers were also expecting an Arabian Prophet. The OT thoroughly talks about him and his new Covenant coming from Kedar in Arabia, and the NT talks about him coming after the Messiah:

Why wasn't Prophet Muhammad preached by the early Christians in Jerusalem, Arabia, Africa and Europe? Early cities like Antioch, Corinth, Rome and others were never taught the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Doesn't this prove that Islam is false? But he was preached!

The Bibles are all corrupt. The Glorious Quran also declares them all to be corrupt. The Glorious Quran also confirms the Messiah, Eesa (not Jesus) and his virgin mother, Marium (not Mary), peace be upon both of them.

King Melchizedek [1]:

The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek". And who is Melchizedek? According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).

Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

Also, Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son. Son here means he is the Messiah. The Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD. Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah. This is his special sonship. He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2]. He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard. He is also heir of GOD on earth only. That's the limit of his sonship. Otherwise, it is sun chips! There is nothing GODly about him. He is not our Creator. With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). See also:

Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".

Oxymoron Trinity.

Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only.

Again, could "Jesus" and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless. All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty.

Sun Chips oxymoron: The polytheist trinitarian pagans' oxymoron here is that they're making a sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no more than servants raised to honour") with their blasphemies of inflating him with hot air and making him the Creator of the Universe.

Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!

1 John 2:22-23 [1] church-written lie are discussed further down in details in this table. Ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers.

For ample more details, visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam [1], and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3] [4]

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

Adam is greater than Jesus:

Jesus forbade people from calling him "son of David" and "son of Abraham" ( Muslims bless Abraham everyday. Shedding light on Genesis 12:1-3 "I will bless those who bless you..."). He said he is greater than them, and no one should call him son of any of these two servants of GOD Almighty. Yet, Jesus walked around and called himself son of Adam countless times:

Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT says no.

Oxymoron Trinity [1]:

From www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#permission:

Trinitarians: Jesus is our Creator.
Jesus: Why are you thinking such evil things?

Matthew 9:3-4 (CEV)
3 Some teachers of the Law of Moses said to themselves, "Jesus must think he is God!"
4 But Jesus knew what was in their minds, and he said, "Why are you thinking such evil things?

Mark 10:18 ""Why do you call me good ἀγαθόν (agathon)?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."
Good = agathon ἀγαθόν, agathos ἀγαθὸς

So from people who opposed and followed Jesus, some from both sides thought he was claiming to be GOD Almighty. Jesus absolutely rejected this blasphemy and misunderstanding!

Also visit: Jesus had no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?

Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. Trinity is a lie from Hell. Also visit: How many members are there in the Trinity? There are 39+ Holy Figures.

- Where is Jesus' promise??

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?

Jesus' oxymoronic hyperboles and incoherence created serious problems blasphemies!

Remember:

If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Dismal Spiritual Failures:

Let us examine the following:

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:

1 Corinthians 2:15
A spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.

How???

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?

Insufficient Jesus:

Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19).

Notice the language of how Satan was:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.

Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.

Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:

Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.

Paul ate his vomit.

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity)

Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?

Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25), but yet does not know when the Hour of the resurrection will come (Matthew 24:36) [1], and he had to cry, weep and beg GOD to resurrect Lazarus back to life. And this proves he is our Creator? And how is he exactly The Resurrection? Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless. All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty.

In the OT, Elisha and many others also raised the dead:

2 Kings 4
32 Elisha arrived at the woman’s house and went straight to his room, where he saw the boy’s body on his bed.
33 He walked in, shut the door, and prayed to the Lord.
34 Then he got on the bed and stretched out over the dead body, with his mouth on the boy’s mouth, his eyes on his eyes, and his hand on his hands. As he lay there, the boy’s body became warm.
35 Elisha got up and walked back and forth in the room, then he went back and leaned over the boy’s body. The boy sneezed seven times and opened his eyes.
36 Elisha called out to Gehazi, “Have the boy’s mother come here.” Gehazi did, and when she was at the door, Elisha said, “You can take your son.”
37 She came in and bowed down at Elisha’s feet. Then she picked up her son and left.

Is Elisha and others like him now our Creator?

John 5:30 "I cannot do anything on my own." (i.e., I am totally powerless. In other verses, Jesus could not even perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!).

And Jesus could not determine (Mark 10:40) who gets to sit on his right and on his left in Heaven. Only GOD alone decides this, Jesus said. Visit also:

Bible's problematic hyperboles. Jesus has, for example, caused Christians to eat pork, and they're now even the world's biggest pork consumers. But a closer look at the text reveals that he never allowed it and could never even DARE to violate GOD Almighty by allowing it.

The last two chapters of the book of Isaiah make an End of Time Prophecy about the evil and immoral ones who will be pork (pig's meat) eaters.

The Bible has ample problems with its hyperbole and excessive confusing metaphoric language, to a point where we don't know what Jesus actually means, and it has made lawful things sinful and sinful things lawful. Interestingly, people in the NT called Jesus a fat drunk, because they observed him drinking too much wine (alcohol) and eating too much. He was a "gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34) [1] [2]. This could've played a major role in the nonsensical language that he was uttering left and right. Only Allah Almighty Knows best.

Ample more examples are given in the link above.

Did Jesus ever claim to be God? (8 minutes)

John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook,
that we must convict Jesus
Did GOD ever appear in a human form to anyone?

Click on image to play video:

Video: 1, 2.
Sam Shamoun, the trinitarian barfoon, forgot that "GOD IS ONE" is
mentioned countless times in his scriptures. Also, Jesus was also called
"SLAVE OF GOD" in NT and OT. There is no Divine Son that is part of
Allah Almighty. That's one of the several things Islam came to correct:

www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit

Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.


"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

Eesa  is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor

"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt.

Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.

- Where is Jesus' promise??

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?

Jesus' oxymoronic hyperboles and incoherence created serious problems blasphemies!

Remember:

If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Dismal Spiritual Failures:

Let us examine the following:

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:

1 Corinthians 2:15
A spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.

How???

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?

Insufficient Jesus:

Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19).

Notice the language of how Satan was:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.

Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.

Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:

Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.

Paul ate his vomit.

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity)

Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?

Quran: Bibles are mostly corrupt.

Sam Shamoun declares 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries:

How big was the first New Testament?

Muslims honor the Virgin Birth:

We Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Isa Al-Maseeh, from our mother Mariam, peace be upon them both. We also believe Isa performed many Miracles. In fact, it was the Christians who doubted the virgin birth. Islam came to cement it. But Isa (eesa) was nonetheless a creation of GOD Almighty, and a slave of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Even the Old Testament calls Jesus "Slave of GOD":

Islam cemented the virgin birth of Jesus! Christians doubted it. Christian scholars admit this.

Isa (Jesus), the Islamic Messiah and creation of Allah Almighty, is NOT our Creator:

Jesus, in the Bible, said he does not know when the Hour will come, only GOD alone Knows, Jesus said.

Jesus said if he bears witness of himself he would be a liar.

Jesus prostrated on his face and prayed and begged GOD all night long to save him from crucifixion.

Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT says no.

Jesus was called slave of GOD in Old Testament.

If Jesus was GOD questions.

None of Jesus' Miracles were unique in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

The Fly's Digestive Miracle - Mentioned in the Holy Quran and Confirmed by Science!

Is Jesus greater than Adam? NT says no.

- Where is Jesus' promise??

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?

Jesus' oxymoronic hyperboles and incoherence created serious problems blasphemies!

Remember:

If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Dismal Spiritual Failures:

Let us examine the following:

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:

1 Corinthians 2:15
A spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.

How???

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?

Insufficient Jesus:

Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19).

Notice the language of how Satan was:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.

Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.

Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:

Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.

Paul ate his vomit.

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity)

Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?

Sun Chips Blasphemies:

Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son. But the Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD. Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah. This is his special sonship. He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2]. He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard. He is also the heir of GOD on earth only. That's the limit of his sonship. Otherwise, it is sun chips! There is nothing GODly about him. He is not our Creator. With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). See also:

Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".

Oxymoron Trinity.

Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only.

What is Islam?

What is Islam?

How and Why do I convert to Islam?

How do I convert a non-Muslim to Islam?

Other:

www.answering-christianity.com/arabs_no_longer_jews_dogs.htm (according to Jesus)

www.answering-christianity.com/east.htm (Matthew 24:25-27: Jesus will return as an Arab from Syria)

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses thoroughly destroy the trinity lie.

Note: The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.

From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son. Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran? Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?

Son of GOD definition:

From www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#permission:

Trinitarians: Jesus is our Creator.
Jesus: Why are you thinking such evil things?

Mark 10:18 ""Why do you call me good ἀγαθόν (agathon)?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."
Good = agathon ἀγαθόν, agathos ἀγαθὸς

Jesus was also called slave of GOD in the OT many times. Trinity is a lie from Hell. Also visit: How many members are there in the Trinity? There are 39+ Holy Figures.

- Where is Jesus' promise??

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?

Jesus' oxymoronic hyperboles and incoherence created serious problems blasphemies!

Remember:

If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Dismal Spiritual Failures:

Let us examine the following:

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:

1 Corinthians 2:15
A spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.

How???

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?

Insufficient Jesus:

Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19).

Notice the language of how Satan was:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.

Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.

Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:

Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.

Paul ate his vomit.

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity)

Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?

We read in the Bible that Prophets are servants and Jesus is the Son (Matthew 21:33-46). Jesus is more than a Rasul (Prophet). Jesus was also called Abd (slave) of GOD throughout the Old Testament, as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion. Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits). Jesus being King of kings means that he is the King of his Mansion's twelve thrones.

King of kings for Jesus does not refer to the corrupt earthly kings and thieves. They were offered to Jesus before during his temptation by satan, and Jesus ultimately refused them all. Jesus is the king of the twelve thrones inside his Mansion. Other people in the OT were called King of kings also. So the title is not even unique to Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Allah is the GOD of the Bibles: [1]

Daniel 3:26 in Aramaic says "Servants of Allah (GOD Most High GOD)".

Please also visit: The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

Yahweh is Baal to the Jews in Isaiah 54:5 and Hosea 2:16. Exposing the Christians' pagan-god Baal lie.

In the Bible, "the Son" refers to the Messiah, - the Ultimate Messenger to the Jews. Son in their time meant Servant of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Allah Almighty also explained it precisely like this in the Glorious Quran: "....servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)". Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm

This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)". Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven. But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else. You can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
Muslims bless Abraham everyday. Shedding light on Genesis 12:1-3 "I will bless those who bless you..."

Is the metaphoric Son of GOD title supported in the Glorious Quran? Yes. Here are several Noble Verses that do support it. Was even used for both followers of satan and GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

Except GOD Alone! Jesus rejected ἀγαθόν. Jesus forbade anyone from calling him ἀγαθόν. He said it is only for the Supreme GOD Almighty.

And other great figures in the Old Testament were also called:

1- GOD (El) of other people.
2- Son of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
3- Begotten Son of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
4- GOD's First Born.
5- GOD's Heir and Heirs (for believers).
6- GODly name with Yahweh and El attached to the name.
7- King of Kings (called by Yahweh Himself in the OT).
8- All believers are GODs (Elohim) and Sons of GOD (Beni Elohim).

Is Jesus "God's Son" or "God's Servant (SLAVE)?" [1]

King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

New King James Version
Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.

"Servant" here is slave. Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) in the OT [2], the
same word used for the Jews' slaves, and all slaves in general, throughout
the Bible [2]. Jesus, the abd of GOD, is also the slave of GOD in the NT.

In Arabic also it's the same. My name Osama Abdallah, which means
Osama slave of Allah (GOD). Slave is a subject of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). A servant is
independent. A servant provides services. He/she can quit serving
without consequences and can even kick you out of their territory. But
a slave (ABD) is totally OWNED.

I elaborated on this point in details at:

www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm#king_of_kings_lie
www.answering-christianity.com/trinity_crucified.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm
Muslims bless Abraham everyday. Shedding light on Genesis 12:1-3 "I will bless those who bless you..."

The Servants are the Prophets of Israel. But Jesus is "the Son" because he is the Messiah, the highest Jew and highest Jewish Prophet. Jesus' rule is only limited to his Mansion. Jesus also said that this Mansion is ruled by twelve Thrones (also called them 12 Fruits). Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son (Matthew 21:33-46). Jesus is only the Lord of the Jews' Mansion.

Jesus was called ABD (SLAVE) of GOD:

www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

John 1:1:

John 1:1 answered from the Glorious Quran. Includes a Scientific Miracle in the Glorious Quran.

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word ~~was God~~ was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule [ [1] [2] [3])."

The Word encompasses Jesus:

From www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2884.msg13839.html#msg13839:

From brother Shaad:

The Logos and Jesus are differentiated in Revelation.....

Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the ;witness of Jesus, and for the word of God...

Revelation 1:2

2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ

Jazaka Allah Khayr, dear brother Shaad. I took the liberty to add the emphasis to your text, akhi. Indeed, the Word of GOD Almighty ENCOMPASSES Jesuss, because he was made/created from it; exactly as Islam declares.

Trinity is false. I have added your addition to:

www.answering-christianity.com/word_of_god.htm

take care, Osama Abdallah

Messiah definition:

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_of_maseeh_in_quran.htm

Also visit:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues:

Click to play video [1]. Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of
earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale."

Jonah was alive: But Jonah was always alive in his ordeal. He was alive on the shore,
alive in the whale's belly, and alive when vomited out of the whale. Alive, alive, alive!

Divine Setup for Conjecture:

"... but so it was made to appear to them..." (Quran 4:157)

The two double-Jesus men & Pontus Pilate in Matthew 27:16-17:

According to the Gospel of Matthew, Pontus Pilate was standing between two double-Jesus men:

1- Jesus Barabbas.
2- Jesus Barabbas.

Christianity's Salvation Lie:

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Matthew 9:12-13 I have not come for you if you're a merciful Jew.

Three Isaiah 53 translation lies:

Three lies in translations of Isaiah 53, as further elaborated below in this table, that need to be clarified:

Also visit:

John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook, that we must convict Jesus

Early Church Fathers: Jesus never died for anyone's sins!

Jesus never died for anyone's sins! He was placed on the cross
BECAUSE of (not for) the Jews' sins, and Allah Almighty SAVED HIM.
Read the detailed analysis on Isaiah 53, Psalm 91 and others at:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm

Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52:?

Lies about Psalm 91:13:

Some polytheist trinitarian pagans say that Psalm 91:13 proves that Jesus was never crucified:

Psalm 91:13
You will tread on the lion and the adder, the young lion and the serpent you will trample under foot.

Response:

But Psalm 91:14-16 refute this:

2- Also, Jesus was never killed. He laid on the floor in the tomb, received medical treatment from the two Marys and other women, and then got up and left.

3- The books that say he was killed on the cross were written 200 to 400 years after Jesus. The majority of Christian historians and theologians claim this.

4- Psalm 91:15"...I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him." Clearly declares he will be saved from death.

Merciful Palestinian and Good Neighbor Parable:

.........

Visit section 2.a in the article.

Also visit:

Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt.

Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.

- Where is Jesus' promise??

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?

Jesus' oxymoronic hyperboles and incoherence created serious problems blasphemies!

Remember:

If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Dismal Spiritual Failures:

Let us examine the following:

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:

1 Corinthians 2:15
A spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.

How???

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?

Insufficient Jesus:

Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19).

Notice the language of how Satan was:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.

Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.

Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:

Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.

Paul ate his vomit.

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity)

Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?

Quran: Bibles are mostly corrupt.

Sam Shamoun declares 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries:

How big was the first New Testament?

Jesus' Original Name:

Prophet Jesus' original name was Eesa, as this is also his Islamic name. The article (Eesa) also gives ample Hebrew references and proofs. Even in Latin, it is Iesu, and in Greek it is Iesus. There is also a great deal of evidence that Jesus spoke and preached in Arabic. Not only that, but Greek wasn't even that popular in Palestine. Islam's claims are very strongly supported. See proofs below.

Did early Christians preach Prophet Muhammad in Rome?

Did the early believers preach Prophet Muhammad in Corinth, Antioch, Rome and all other places? Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, was the Jews' Messiah and final Prophet. In both the Glorious Quran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Ahmed was prophesied to come. Ahmed in the Quran is Prophet Muhammad's prophetic name. Also, see below the Dead Sea Scroll image. The New Testament too predicts the coming of three:

1. Elijah.
2. The Messiah.
3. The Prophet.

John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44. Click on the images to expand:

John the Baptist calls Jesus a liar! (Matthew 11:1-6).

Roman massacres:

So did the early believers preach the coming of Prophet Ahmed or Muhammad? The answer is quite possible, but Muhammad would've been phase 2 for them and not phase 1. Jesus was the early believers' immediate Prophet, not Muhammad. And all of the details that they had were about Jesus, not Muhammad. It is also important to know that the following seven Roman Emperors have thoroughly burned all (burnt all) of the early believers' writings:

1. Nero (54-68)
2. Domitian (81-96)
3. Marcus Aurelius (161-180)
4. Septimius Severus (193-211; up to a point)
5. Maximinius I Thrax (235-8; up to a point)
6. Trajanus Decius (249-251)
7. Valerian (253-260)

Read all the details with references here. Also visit: How big was the first New Testament?

What we have today from "gospels" and "New Testament" were written 100 years to 300 years after Jesus' departure from this earth. So, the current writings that we have are not original writings. Also, to appease the Roman Empire's 3-headed pagan religion and practices, the pagan 3-headed trinity was invented [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. Many lies had been fabricated after the original writings were all lost. The Jews and Christians of Arabia, however, did have writings that predicted the coming of Prophet Muhammad. These were some of the original texts that survived.

The early believers were expecting an Arabian Prophet. The OT thoroughly talks about him and his new Covenant coming from Kedar in Arabia, and the NT talks about him coming after the Messiah:

From Why Jews settled in Arabia section:

Video and text are in the linked section above.

Jesus also preached in Arabic:

See the clear proofs in the following:

Proofs that early Christian believers' title was Muslims from the Jews' and Christians sources themselves. Also, Greek wasn't even the first language in Palestine, nor was it even hardly spoken by the natives there.

Also, ample proofs that Jesus also spoke and preached in Arabic, and there were many early manuscripts written in Arabic that spoke about the coming of Prophet Muhammad in details. Arabic is estimated to date back 8000 to 20000 years by non-Muslim researchers, and had always been the first language in the entire lands of the Middle East, North and Central Africa.

Prophet Muhammad in the Early Christians' writings.

Prophet Muhammad foretold , by the name, in the previous Scriptures. We still have texts today and from the Bible itself and outside the Bible that tell about the coming of Prophet Muhammad and Islam as the Servant of GOD Almighty and the New Religion and Covenant of GOD Almighty, respectively.

Important:

- What is the definition of Messiah in the Quran?
- Jesus was created from the Word of GOD and filled with the Holy Spirit, according to Islam.

In the Bible, Muslims, Salamays, Mushlams, Mushlems, Mushlimana are the Believers' original title [1]. Islam came to restore the original Faith [1].

Prophet "AHMAD" is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls:

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(Clip also in this article)

Prophet Muhammad in the previous Scriptures. Prophet Muhammad was thoroughly foretold in the Bible, and his prophetic Name, "Ahmed", was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it was mentioned precisely in the Glorious Quran for the Prophet to be foretold by this very Name, Ahmed [1] [2].

Father and Son Definitions:

Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

1- What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible? How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below) How does the Bible really define it?

2- What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible?

3- Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament. See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian. Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek. He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says. See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

Who is Melchizedek?

According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2]. The Bible literally says that. Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran? And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator? And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ? See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.

Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.

4- Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus? Yes it does (*).

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word ~~was God~~ was with authority (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."

Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.

In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

(a)- GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

(b)- The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

(c)- The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

1 John 2:22-23:

1 John 2:22-23 is another church-written lie. Again, ironically, the Bible's own theologians admit that 1 John contains forgeries by church fathers. Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

1 John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Muslims firmly believe in the Messiah and his virgin birth miracle. Islam cemented the virgin birth of Jesus belief after it was fading away. Christians admit this. Also, the Glorious Quran claims that sons of GOD title was used for servants raised to honor: Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".

"Messiah" is the sonship:

Jesus said Prophets are Servants, Jesus is the Son. Son here means he is the Messiah. The Old Testament thoroughly calls Jesus the slave of GOD [1] and who also fears GOD. Yes indeed, the Islamic Isa (eesa) is the Messiah. This is his special sonship. He is also the Lord of his Mansion, which has twelve thrones or fruits [2]. He is more than a mere Jewish Rasul (Prophet) in this regard. He is also heir of GOD on earth only. That's the limit of his sonship. Otherwise, it is sun chips! There is nothing GODly about him. He is not our Creator. With all of his glory and might, he still remains a mere abd (slave) of GOD [1] as all sons of GOD were also called slaves of GOD (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). See also:

1- Sons of GOD in the Glorious Quran. They are "....no more than servants raised to honor. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".

2- Oxymoron Trinity .

3- Jesus is the heir of GOD on earth only.

Sun Chips blasphemies:

The polytheist trinitarian pagans' oxymoron here is that they're making a sun chips out of Islam's Prophet-Isa's sacred Messiahship and special sonship ("no more than servants raised to honour") with their blasphemies of inflating him with hot air and making him the Creator of the Universe.

Could Jesus and the disciples honestly even resurrect or create a fly on their own? This is one of the Glorious Quran's challenges to the polytheists from mankind who insist on deifying flesh and blood, dust and water, and idols. All are helpless. All are worthless when compared to Allah Almighty.

Did Jesus ever claim to be God? (8 minutes)

John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook,
that we must convict Jesus
Did GOD ever appear in a human form to anyone?

Click on image to play video:

www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt.

Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.

- Where is Jesus' promise??

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?

Jesus' oxymoronic hyperboles and incoherence created serious problems blasphemies!

Remember:

If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Dismal Spiritual Failures:

Let us examine the following:

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:

1 Corinthians 2:15
A spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.

How???

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?

Insufficient Jesus:

Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19).

Notice the language of how Satan was:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.

Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.

Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:

Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.

Paul ate his vomit.

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity)

Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?

5- What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:

The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.

Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)"

From https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:

The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":

.......

In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:

1- GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I. So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.

2- In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.  Even our Hadiths call them أهل الله .

Go to www.google.com , and search for إن لله - تعالى - من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته


The Hadith in Arabic translates as:

Allah Almighty has AHLEEN (families) أهلين from mankind. They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?" He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته.";

This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26))". Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven. But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else. You can visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

"....servants raised to honour.

Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant. /span> But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:

www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm

So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly. But even in that ca/span>se, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.

Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON":

Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.

In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian". المولى is derived from the root word ولي .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.

FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا). We further read the following in the Bibles:

Isaiah 41:8/font> "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND". Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

[002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

[003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

[004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
1- Is the Protector.
2- Is the Friend.
3- Is the Guardian.

Also, BEGET = CHOSE.

King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.

So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

- Guardian
- Friend
- Protector
- And the One who Chose us.

And we definitely believe that Isa (Jesus) is the Messiah.

One last important point: Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD". We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3). But never from GOD!

GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.

Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.

So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22? No it isn't. Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

(a)- Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78. In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian". المولى is derived from the root word ولي .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.

(b)- FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

We further read the following in the Bibles:

Isaiah 41:8
"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

Chronicles 20:7
Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND". Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

[002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

[003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

[004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

1- Is the Protector.
2- Is the Friend.
3- Is the Guardian.

Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203 (backup)

(c)- BEGET = CHOSE:

Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

King James Bible Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

[027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

[003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

[003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

[007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

[022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

[035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

[038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

[039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know. Please visit:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

Trinity Crucified! 100s of verses prove trinity is false. Jesus healed others only after getting permissions from GOD Almighty. His wishes were sometimes denied. [1] [2]

Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT. And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

1- Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

2- Wali - Guardian.

In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali. But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father. This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery. No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty! Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these. Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter. Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters?? No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

[005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

Again, please visit: https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203 (backup).

The Romans had to fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues:

Click to play video [1]. Matthew 12:40: "shall be buried deep in the heart of
earth for 3 days and nights as Jonah was deep in the belly of the whale."

Jonah was alive: But Jonah was always alive in his ordeal. He was alive on the shore,
alive in the whale's belly, and alive when vomited out of the whale. Alive, alive, alive!

Divine Setup for Conjecture:

"... but so it was made to appear to them..." (Quran 4:157)

The two double-Jesus men & Pontus Pilate in Matthew 27:16-17:

According to the Gospel of Matthew, Pontus Pilate was standing between two double-Jesus men:

1- Jesus Barabbas.
2- Jesus Barabbas.

Christianity's Salvation Lie:

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Matthew 9:12-13 I have not come for you if you're a merciful Jew.

Three Isaiah 53 translation lies:

Three lies in translations of Isaiah 53, as further elaborated below in this table, that need to be clarified:

Also visit:

John 11:50: It is expedient, whether through hook or by crook, that we must convict Jesus

Early Church Fathers: Jesus never died for anyone's sins!

Jesus never died for anyone's sins! He was placed on the cross
BECAUSE of (not for) the Jews' sins, and Allah Almighty SAVED HIM.
Read the detailed analysis on Isaiah 53, Psalm 91 and others at:

www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm

Why was GOD Almighty charitable (χάριτι) and forgiving to Jesus in Luke 2:52:?

Lies about Psalm 91:13:

Some polytheist trinitarian pagans say that Psalm 91:13 proves that Jesus was never crucified:

Psalm 91:13
You will tread on the lion and the adder, the young lion and the serpent you will trample under foot.

Response:

But Psalm 91:14-16 refute this:

2- Also, Jesus was never killed. He laid on the floor in the tomb, received medical treatment from the two Marys and other women, and then got up and left.

3- The books that say he was killed on the cross were written 200 to 400 years after Jesus. The majority of Christian historians and theologians claim this.

4- Psalm 91:15"...I will be with him in trouble, I will rescue him and honor him." Clearly declares he will be saved from death.

Merciful Palestinian and Good Neighbor Parable:

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Visit section 2.a in the article.

Also visit:

Quran declares all Bibles are corrupt.

Oxymoron Trinity (100+ verses). Bibles: Jesus will slaughter 100s of millions when he returns.

- Where is Jesus' promise??

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in their conflicting scriptures?

Jesus' oxymoronic hyperboles and incoherence created serious problems blasphemies!

Remember:

If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Dismal Spiritual Failures:

Let us examine the following:

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.

No man is sinless and faultless. The NT even says Jesus himself sinned via coveting the sins of the world. Paul then barfs the following gem:

1 Corinthians 2:15
A spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment.

How???

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Which book were the people of the Book reciting (فسأل الذين يقرؤون الكتاب) during Prophet Muhammad's days according to the Glorious Quran 10:94?

Insufficient Jesus:

Edward Dalcour says that Jesus would be insufficient if Paul was proven to be false:

Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings. See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'. Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

Jesus replaced Satan: (Ezekiel 28:13-19).

Notice the language of how Satan was:

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]

Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

Eid Al-Adha: Ishmael or Isaac? GOD's peace be upon them both. Who was the son to be sacrificed? Bibles and Quran agree it was Ishmael.

Satan & Peter VS. Paul: 2 Corinthians 12:7-11. Paul literally put Peter and Satan in one team.

Sam Shamoun also exposes the ample holy group sex that occurs in his circle:

Paul ordered the execution (actual killing) of some sinners.

Paul ate his vomit.

Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:

See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1] قول (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed). See also the 39+ members of trinity. Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

(Sam Shamoun declares gambling is allowed in Christianity)

Why did Jesus amputate his own (NT calls them satanic flesh) testicles and penis' head?

Quran: Bibles are mostly corrupt.

Sam Shamoun declares 2nd and 3rd centuries bibles-writings are forgeries:

How big was the first New Testament?

Allah is the GOD of the Bibles: [1]

Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3]. The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty. The root Word is "Eloh". And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah. Jews do call Him: Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah. See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs. Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah". So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh. It is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway. Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew. And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician. See the following links:

"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

Eesa is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor

"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

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"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

Eesa  is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor

"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

Daniel 3:26 in Aramaic says "Servants of Allah (GOD Most High GOD)".

Please also visit: The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

       Yahweh is Baal to the Jews in Isaiah 54:5 and Hosea 2:16. Exposing the Christians' pagan-god Baal lie.

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]