Rebuttals to Sam Gerrans and Dan Gibson.

From https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,2911.msg13880.html#msg13880:

"NWO cleanse, take your time, take a deep breath, get comfortable and write a summary...it would be easier for brother Albarra and the others to discuss your points..."

My Response:

I'll do it for him, akhi. Here is the video and here are the points:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inJ1mCIsz5A&t=53s

1- Mecca called "the mother of all cities" refers to it being the center of all trading routes. This is false because Petra was the center of the trading routes.

RESPONSE: Your author, NWO Cleanse, - Sam Gerrans, - imposed this meaning on the Quranic term to the Holy City of Mecca.

2- Mecca was not found on any map until around year 900 AD, 300 years after Prophet Muhammad came.

RESPONSE: No proof. Yet, we have ample physical proofs that Mecca existed far earlier than this. See above.

3- Mecca does not have any substantial valley or mountain surrounding it, "which is part of the Quranic concept of a holy site"??

RESPONSE: Where did your Sam Gerrans come up with this lie?? The Glorious Quran does not give this criteria or condition for any holy site! Also, Mecca does have surrounding mountains, - MOUNT ARAFAT is used in the pilgrimage, - and it does have the underground stream of Zamzam, which fills the Well of Zamzam and it sustains life there.

Then he goes on to say that Petra has deep routes and that supposedly matches the Glorious Quran's "deep routes" statement about Muslims coming from all over the world to do Hajj (pilgrimage). And he talked about the doomed civilizations that were mentioned in the Glorious Quran were all located in Northern Arabia.

RESPONSE: The Arabs in central Arabia were fresh and had no corrupt scriptures like the Jews and Christians were. They were ready for a new Prophet and new Scripture, and this is one of the reasons why Allah Almighty chose them:

‏34:44 ومااتيناهم من كتب يدرسونها وماارسلنا اليهم قبلك من نذير

[034:044] Although, prior to you We did not give them books they could study كتب يدرسونها, nor did We send a warner towards themوماارسلنا اليهم قبلك من نذير.

This would not apply to the northern Arabs around Petra, because they were under the Christians' rule at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). The central Arabs were nomadic people and had no scriptures and no Prophets.

Silencing Mr. Sam Gerrans:

I finished the video and it has ample problems. All wishful thinking, conjecture and bias towards Petra. Again, there are points that you just can't refute:

1- Muslims by the MILLIONS flock to pilgrimage to Mecca, not to Petra. If Muslims were flocking to Petra by the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS during the early days of Islam, then they would not be flocking today to Mecca. And we would certainly have a record for it (Petra), which we do not.

2- The graves of Prophet Muhammad and many of his companions are in Medina and Mecca and near by lands. Yes, some are in Northern Arabia due to the battles with the Romans and Persians, and many ended up settling there.  But the Prophet's grave is in Medina! Can you refute that?

3- The four Islamic Rightly Guided Caliphs, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Ali ruled in Medina. Ali later migrated to Iraq, but he was elected in Medina and began his rule in Medina. Uthman was killed in Medina. Omar was assassinated by the Persians in Medina. Abu Bakr fought the apostates from Medina. Ali migrated to Iraq from Medina.  The Muslims liberated Mecca with 10,000 Muslims army. And it's even prophesied in the Bibles:

www.answering-christianity.com/10000.htm

Isaiah 29:12 mentions the first Quran-Revelation upon Prophet Muhammad in Cave Hira by the name.  The Quran's first revelation upon Prophet Muhammad inside cave Hira.


Isaiah 29: Mentions Mecca's precise cave Hira (χιρα), Jireh, Quran & Muhammad.

Nothing mentioned about Petra.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Quran's STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]

Here are some of my favorite Stunning Numerical and Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran that are listed in the main sections, below:

1- The root for message and all of its derivatives, such as messenger and others occurs 513 times throughout the Glorious Quran. The Prophets' and Messengers', peace be upon them, actual names (Muhammad, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc....) were also all combined mentioned 513 times in the Glorious Quran. The detailed breakdown of all of this is thoroughly listed here.

Coincidence? See 1,000s of examples! [1]. (zip file).

Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.

Stunning Prophecies [2] [3]

2- The Great Miracle. Allah Almighty in the Holy Quran called the Number 19 Miracle "One of the Mighty Ones (Miracles)" (74:30-37) [1] [2]. See the 100s of Noble Verses that clearly testify to this Great Miracle. Also, did you know that Allah Almighty Said in Surat Nuh (that's Noble Chapter Nuh (Noah)) that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years among his people.

Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah is exactly written in 950 Letters [1] [2]! You can thoroughly see this in the scanned images that thoroughly verify every single Noble Letter, in the links. Click on the links to see the many other Numerical Miracles in the Holy Quran. Also, see the Numerical Miracles section along with all of the other great sections. Also, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article.

3- 19 X 115 = 2185 Number 19 and BASMALA Miracle. The total numerical value of Noble Verses 74:30-37 themselves, which are the heart of the Number 19 Miracle, has a stunning Miracle in it. The value of these Noble Verses matches the multiplication of the BASMALA's number of letters (19 Letters) and their total numerical values (115): 19 X 115 = 2185. The Basmala, which full text in Arabic means "In the Name of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful" is the Key to the Glorious Quran. It is recited first before reading the Holy Quran, and it is also obligatory upon every Muslim to start with the Basmala before starting any task. Again, 1,000s of examples in zip & PDF (fonts) files all demonstrated in this article.

4- The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, if you add each Chapter's number with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.

1- The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
2- The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.

See the XLS file for 100% confirmation. Also, see the ample STUNNING Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran, with 1,000s of examples! [1] (zip file).. See also the ample Textual Miracles [2] in the Glorious Quran, where Noble Words are spelled in certain ways depending on their certain historical and geographical context and timing in the Noble Verse.

5- Please also checkout the many hundreds (1,000s) of Great Numerical Miracles, and the many tens (10s) of other Great Scientific Miracles:

Quran's STUNNING-Miracles Section: [1]

Click on the following numbers:

1-    Geology, Earth's spherical expansion, formation, Mountains and Oceanology.
2-    The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles.
3-    Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation, and Creation.

4- STUNNING Numerical Miracles in the Glorious Quran. With 1,000s of examples! [4]. See also the ample Textual Miracles [2] in the Glorious Quran, where Noble Words are spelled in certain ways depending on their certain historical and geographical context and timing in the Noble Verse.

5-    Medicine, Humans, Insects and Animals.
6-    Life, Origins of life from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins.
7-    Psychology.
8-    Archeology and History.
9-    Great Web Sites and Online Books.

10-   Rebuttals.
11-   General articles.
12-   STUNNING Prophecies, and Allah's Divine Promises to reveal the Quran's Miracles.

          Stunning Prophecies [2] [3]

13- Audios and Videos.
14- Bibles' scientific absurdities and Other.

For example:

1- The explosion of the Universe, Galaxies and Stars bring about Smoke.

"When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]

As we also see from the picture, Noble Verse 55:37
is a Divine Promise (Allah promised to show mankind) that mankind will
actually see this come to pass one day. NASA and other space
agencies, by Allah Almighty's Will, have certainly fulfilled this
Prophecy, because a natural rose wouldn't form when a
"Heaven" or a Solar System or even an entire galaxy and its
trillions of solar systems all blow up (explode). It is rather the
look of it, and this is exactly what NASA confirms.

The Glorious Quran declares that the earth is spherical: [1]


Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran said that earth is:
       - Spherical: "egg-shaped" [1].
       - Is rotating around itself.
       - Is moving in space in curvy orbits [2].
       - Is in constant motion.
       - Is suspended in space.
       - Is swimming in space.
       - Is traveling through the constantly expanding universe [3].
       - The sunsetless North Pole miracle in the Glorious Quran [4].

At the top of the North Pole, the sun never sets [4], and I showed the video for that, and also quoted the scientific sources for that. Also in the lands near by, it almost never sets either, and I quoted sources for that as well, and also showed pictures of the "polar night" skies on these lands that are near the sunsetless North Pole.


(Click to play clip by physicist, Brian Cox)

They also spoke almost unintelligibly (18:93), the Glorious Quran says. They hardly spoke intelligibly (18:93). Historians have proven that the Barbarians of the North used to speak unintelligibly. The actual meaning of the word "Barbarian" is someone who speaks unintelligibly.



He saw the Aurora Lights covering:
Aurora Lights Hadith

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, saw the aurora lights covering the horizons of space above the earth when he was taken up to Heaven:

Narrated Abdullah: "Regarding the Verse: �Indeed he (Muhammad) did see. Of the Signs of his Lord, The Greatest!� (Quran 53.18) That the Prophet had seen a green carpet spread all over the horizon of the sky قَالَ رَأَى رَفْرَفًا أَخْضَرَ سَدَّ أُفُقَ السَّمَاء." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 456)

Visit also: Islamic proof that the sun prostrates to Allah Almighty when it is above Mecca.



Regarding Dhil-Qarnayn (literally means "man of two horns"), Allah Almighty said this about his journey to the farthest northern lands and people:

‏18:90 حتى اذا بلغ مطلع الشمس وجدها تطلع على قوم لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر

"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"

Noble Verse(s) 18:91

Rodwell:
[018:091] Thus it was. And we had full knowledge of the forces that were with him.
Arabic (Read from right to left. Also, all png image files: [1] [2]. Quran Moral Code (100s of them)]):
‏18:91 كذلك وقد احطنا بما لديه خبرا



Prophet Muhammad "did see" (Quran 53.18) the Aurora Lights covering the horizons above the earth from space. Dhil-Qarnayn went up to the farthest northern lands where the sun is up, and "Thus it was", Allah Almighty completed the "full knowledge" regarding Dhil-Qarnayn's mission. This further supports the story below about Dhil-Qarnayn's journey to the farthest northern lands and people (The sunsetless [4] North Pole Quran-miracle).  They also spoke almost unintelligibly (18:93), the Glorious Quran says. They hardly spoke intelligibly (18:93). For example, can you read or say this:

"Va�lahei�arvegavinnuverkf�rageymslusk�rslyklakippuhringurinn" ?? This is an actual word. Historians have proven that the Barbarians of the North used to speak unintelligibly. The actual meaning of the word "Barbarian" is someone who speaks unintelligibly. The description of the people of the North, whose North Pole is truly sunsetless (see ample pictures), perfectly fits the Barbarians of the Vikings in the Scandinavian and other Barbarians in the near by lands:

The early Muslims believed that Dhil Qarnayn reached the people of the farthest norths of the earth. The following is a map of Al-Sharif Al-Idrisi in year 1154 giving the geographic location of where Dhil Qarnayn went according to the understanding of the early Muslims of Noble Verses 18:83-100:

Dhil-Qarnayn literally means "man of two horns"

Dhil = One who has.
قرنين Qarnayn = two horns.
Qarnayn is a dual plural of Qarn (horn).
Three or more horns is Quroon, in Arabic.

Noble Verses 53:18 and 18:91 are also prophetically linked together; that Prophet Muhammad also saw what Dhil-Qarnayn ذي القرنين saw. Also visit:

Aurora Lights Hadith


Other pronunciations to "Dhil Qarnayn"ذي القرنين name: Zul-qarnain, Dhul Qurnain, Dhu'l Qarnain, Zulqarnain, Dhu'l-Qarneyn, Dhu'lkarnein, Dhul-Qarnain, Dhu'l Qarnain, Dhool Karnain, Zul-Qarnain, Dhoulkarnain.

(Video from NASA filming the Green Carpet Aurora Lights from space)

Again, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, saw the aurora lights covering the horizons of space above the earth when he was taken up to Heaven:
Narrated Abdullah: "Regarding the Verse: �Indeed he (Muhammad) did see. Of the Signs of his Lord, The Greatest!� (Quran 53.18) That the Prophet had seen a green carpet spread all over the horizon of the sky قَالَ رَأَى رَفْرَفًا أَخْضَرَ سَدَّ أُفُقَ السَّمَاء."(Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 456)

Visit also: Islamic proof that the sun prostrates to Allah Almighty when it is above Mecca.

       - The Glorious Quran also speaks about many earths [5] and not just earth.
       - The Glorious Quran predicts 11 planets in our solar system [6].

In the end, Allah Almighty uses the Glorious Quran to "...Thus doth God leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth..." (74:31). The infidels misuse the Glorious Quran to find "scientific errors". The Glorious Quran is Allah Almighty's Perfect Divine Holy Book. It contains no scientific error. Visit the following example and the link to see 1000s of Numerical and Scientific Miracles:
1- The root for message and all of its derivatives, such as messenger and others occurs 513 times throughout the Glorious Quran. The Prophets' and Messengers', peace be upon them, actual names (Muhammad, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc....) were also all combined mentioned 513 times in the Glorious Quran. The detailed breakdown of all of this is thoroughly listed here.
Coincidence? See 1,000s of examples! [1]. (zip file).

Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.
Stunning Prophecies [2] [3]

This is also all demonstrated in good details in the following video file and articles:

www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm. I used seven encyclopedic dictionaries:

This is a picture of the seven encyclopedic dictionaries that I
used that thoroughly demonstrate the Noble Words that contain
the Scientific Miracles in them, and how they were used by the
Arabs of old before and after Islam. Ample quotations, sayings,
proverbs and examples quoted from these dictionaries at:
www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm

6- The Glorious Quran's Perfect Preservation despite all of the odds and the many challenges to corrupt It.

Hafs vs Warsh, and Ahruf vs Qiraat thoroughly compared here.

Also, the produce Surah like it Quran challenge to all. Click here.

7- Prophet Muhammad, and Divine Islam, and the New Covenant from Arabia were thoroughly prophesied in previous scriptures.