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My rebuttal to Quennel Gale's "What is the punishment for rape in Christianity and in Islam?" article:

This article is a rebuttal to Quennel Gale's article that is located at: http://./Rape.html.

He wrote:

What is the punishment for rape in Christianity and in Islam?

Here we will discuss, Osama Abdallah's misunderstading of Rape in Christianty. He is desperate in his attempts to discredit the bible and he will even stoop to dumb accusations like this matter to continue in his superficial endeavors. Here I will post responses from Nick, a Jew, who isn't a Christian, who embarrassed Osama and his inability in trying to teach us what the Bible says. I will also offer my commentary.

Nick: Osama read properly [dealing with the] Bible verse: "HE must marry the girl" HE and not SHE!!! This is [the] privalege of [the] girl [to] demand marriage. She or her father can refuse to marry read EX 22:17.

Quennel: Lets look at Exodus 22:17 from the JPS bible, (Jewish translation which is much better then NIV) since we are dealing with a Jewish answer:

We see that Nick has exposed Osama and his lack of knowledge of the Bible based on this verse. Ladies and Gentlemen this is the type of misinformation that is ever present on Muslim websites like Osama's. They know absolutely nothing about the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Quennel: I will let Nick respond to this and I will respond to the Christian part.

Nick: First of all, [the] raper should pay 50 shekals of silver (quite big amount of money) - Dueteronomy 22:28. Then girl can demand him marriag and he could NEVER DIVORCE HER (note HE and not SHE), if she will refuse to marry, then raper should pay money that [is] used to write Ketuba- marriage contract - Ex 22:17 (in modern Israel it's for example average is about 100 - 200 thousand $).

Quennel: If you look at what the Israeli currency is worth in U.S. dollar amounts, ($.30 for each dollar) that means the average paid out by the rapist would be between 30 - 60 thousand dollars U.S.!!!! That is a large sum of money and it amazing that God would force the criminal to pay while the U.S. and Islam don't mention any type of compensation for the victim. Again, another one of Osama's lies exposed for all to see. In fact lets look at the scripture references for themselves to see how Yahweh God hates rape:

This going along with Exodus 22:17 proves that Osama's theory about no punishment in the bible is the figment of his imagination. He doesn't even know what the bible says so how can he tell us that there is no punishment for rape in the Bible? Is it because he doesn't know anything that he is talking about? Yes.

Quennel: This is the part that I will address. For one thing Osama builds a strawman in claiming that Christians said that they shouldn't follow the O.T. Then he continues by claiming that the N.T. doesn't talk anything about marrying your sister, etc. Since Christians obviously know more of what Jesus said than Osama, we follow the O.T. and because we follow the O.T. there is no need for the N.T. to repeat every single command for us. We aren't stupid and we can easily read, unlike some people who use stupid approaches in examining the bible, much like our friend Osama. Christians aren't allowed to marry their sister or brother because we follow Jesus who is the fullfillment of the Jewish Law. If Osama picks up a bible and read it instead of posting text out of content he would easily see this. This is stuff Christians learn in Sunday school when they are kids, howver since Muslims don't know anything about Christianity, Osama hopes to play upon their ignorance by feeding them more misinformation.

My response:

Here we will see how Quennel and Nick are the ones who invented lies and took verses out of context to cover up for their gospel of porn, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".

Let us first look at the verses in question:

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver.  He must marry the girl, for he has violated her.  He can never divorce her as long as he lives.  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:28)"

"But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:25)"

As I elaborated in my initial article at: www.answering-christianity.com/que10.htm, the facts are clear in these verses:

1-  Deuteronomy 22:28 is talking about a man raping a virgin who was not spoken for, for any other man.

2-  As a punishment to her, I mean to him, she, I mean he, must marry her, and he can not divorce her as long as she, I mean he, lives!

3-  He must pay fifty shekels as a punishment to her.

4-  Deuteronomy 22:25 is talking about a man raping a girl who was spoken for, and his his punishment is death.

Sound and clear!  No more elaboration is required.  So what did these two weasels decided to do?  Take some other verses out of context to desperately respond to Deuteronomy 22:28.  Let us examine Exodus 22:15-17 to see who is lying here:

Their lie in Exodus 22:15-17!

Let us now look at the verses of Exodus 22:15-17 in their real context to see if they truly address Deuteronomy 22:28 or not:

Exodus 22:15-17 (NIV)
15 But if the owner is with the animal, the borrower will not have to pay. If the animal was hired, the money paid for the hire covers the loss.
16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife.
17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.

Few points to notice here:

1-  In Deuteronomy 22:28 above, the girl was raped not seduced.  In Exodus 22:15-17, the girl had a choice and decided on her own to sleep with him. 

Please visit: Is Muta (temporary marriage) allowed in the Bible?  YES, IN THE BIBLE!  What Christians call "legalized prostitution" is ironically allowed in their own Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

2-  Here are the meanings of the words seduce and rape:

Let us look at more translations of Exodus 22:15-17 for further clarification:

Exodus 22:15-17 (Young's Literal Translation)
15 if its owner [is] with it, he doth not repay, -- if it [is] a hired thing, it hath come for its hire.
16 `And when a man doth entice a virgin who [is] not betrothed, and hath lain with her, he doth certainly endow her to himself for a wife;
17 if her father utterly refuse to give her to him, money he doth weigh out according to the dowry of virgins.

Exodus 22:15-17 (King James Version)
15 But if the owner thereof be with it, he shall not make it good: if it be an hired thing, it came for his hire.
16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

Here is the meaning of the word "entice":

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=entice

en·tice
tr.v. en·ticed, en·tic·ing, en·tic·es

To attract by arousing hope or desire; lure: The promise of higher pay enticed me into the new job. See Synonyms at lure.

So there you have it.  Checkmate to the two desperate liars!

Rape is the crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.

Seduce is to attract or lead away by tempting.

Entice is to attract by arousing hope or desire.

I dare say that Exodus 22:16 has nothing to do with Deuteronomy 22:28.

He wrote:

Nick: This is [the] most disgusting false [thing], that I've heard in my life! You are really sick, IF YOU MAKE UP SUCH THINGS!!!

Quennel: You see how Osama is trying to put false accusations on the Bible! He is trying to tell Nick something about Jewish culture when for one he can't even speak a sentence of Hebrew, and when he doesn't even present any credible reference to back up this slanderous claim. If this was such truth Osama why no reference? Is it because you can't find one and you had to make this up as Nick exposed you of? Yes. My dear reader, if the Muslim can't furnish you any credible information to back up their claims then please laugh and keep going becaus like this, most of their accusations are nothing more than mere misinformation.

Nick: Tell me please Osama, why Allah starts his own book with "In the Name of Allah"????

Quennel: As we see again, Nick has exposed Osama's great theories about the Bible not being a book inspired by God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). For example, why would Allah have to write his book in this way as well as use third person references when he is supposedly only the ONE GOD as Islam claims? Lets look at some examples:

It doesn't take a genius to see that this truely can't be from Allah. Osama says "And Moses" etc, but yet Surah 1 says the same thing with Allah. Would he know say that this isn't from God? Using his own criteria against him, he woul have to. Look at more of the highlighted parts. Since Muslims believe that the Quran is totally from Allah using this metholodgy we are forced to conclude that Allah is worshipping another Allah and that Allah needs another god named Allah to show him the straight path. If this isn't the case then the Quran isn't totally written by Allah but by men. More examples of the Quran not being given by Allah is seen here:

We must wonder is Allah coming down because he was commanded by Muhammad's lord. If so is there anther Allah that we don't know about? If we use Osama's metholodgy we are to believe that this isn't inspired by God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). If this isn't Allah coming down at the command of another one called Allah then these are the words of men and angels which debunks Islamic idea of all the Quran coming from just God alone.

Osama assumes what he has yet to prove, namely that the Quran is not Muhammad's words but God's. The claim of inspiration in and of itself does not prove inspiration. Nor does the fact that an inspired author of scripture that never explicitly claimed inspiration deny that he was speaking God's words to man.

Furthermore, it is not true that the Quran contains nothing but the words of God since there are several places where it is clearly not God who is speaking:

The question begs to be asked if God is speaking who then is the Lord that he serves? If it is the angels or Muhammad speaking, then the Quran cannot be considered 100% the word of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Using Osama's method this is exactly what we find.

My response:

Ironically, even Mary, the mother of your god, got a finger inserted into her vagina!

From www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm:

Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bibles:

The sections of this article are:

1-  My personal note and experience with this issue.
2-  Males and Females in the Bible did it to females.
3-  Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughter's vaginas before marriage in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
4-  Fathers have full control over their daughters.
5-  Why would fathers do that?
6-  The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!
7-  How can you justify "digital defloration" to your sister or daughter?
8-  Some minority Christians in Europe still do it today!
9-  Numbers 31:7, 17-18 further prove that fingers were inserted into virgin girls!
      -  3-year old girls were raped by Moses and his men!
10-  Rebuttals.
11-  Conclusion.

1-  My personal note and experience with this issue:

When I was young, I did hear about this sick tradition once from my father; that fathers would stick their fingers covered in a cloth, into their daughters' vaginas few hours before their daughters' weddings, and display the cloth before everyone to prove that she was a virgin.   I heard that it was practiced among some people in the Middle East in the very old days, especially in the southern part of Egypt, Iraq, Iran and Morocco.  I wasn't sure exactly who these people were, because Egypt has Muslims, Christians and Jews in it.  The southern part certainly is mixed with all these religions.  So it's quite possible that even some Muslims practiced it, even though there is nothing about this sick tradition mentioned in any Islamic doctrine.

When I read Deuteronomy 22:13-18 in the Bible, as it is explained in details in the article, I nearly lost my mind!  I was in great shock!  The Bible matched exactly what I heard about when I was young.

2-  Males and Females in the Bible did it to females:

Before we get into the fathers and daughters issue, it is important first to know that some males in the Bible did it to females.  Let us look at the following information:

"There were, of course, others who might examine accused brides. Dwyer, 63, notes the role of doctors in modern Morocco. In pre-modern times this role was performed by midwives (see Westermarck, Marriage Ceremonies in Morocco, 229f.; Marcus, p. 324. M. Friedman, Ribbui Nashim Beyisra'el [Tel Aviv: Mosad Bialik etc., 1986], 169-170, 263). According to the Midrash Hagadol, Isaac himself examined Rebekah digitally before their marriage (Midrash Hagadol to Genesis 24:67 [ed. M. Margulies; Jerusalem: Mosad Harav Kook, 1967, 411]; according to Pirke Rabbi Eliezer, chap. 16, p. 38a, the examination consisted of digital defloration [ref. courtesy of my colleague, Prof. Judah Goldin]). According to the  aprocryphal Book of James, sec. 19-20, Mary was likewise examined digitally for virginity by Salome (New Testament Apocrypha, ed. E. Hennecke & W. Schneemelcher, 385; ref. courtesy of Prof. Tikva Frymer-Kensky and my colleague Prof. Robert A. Kraft)."

(http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jwst/4q159.htm)   [Note #13, read toward the end of the note]

(the article is also located on my site)

An AUDIO file (46 seconds) from the "Banned from the Bible" documentary film proving that Salome inserted her finger into Mary.

Interpreter's Voice:

Dr. David Scholer
New Testament, Fuller Theological Seminary

(The film can be purchased from the History Channel's web site)
(now is defunct link)

UPDATE!

*** The polytheist trinitarian pagans changed the link on me! ***

The new one is: http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=73144

I wonder if it has something to do with me linking to it from this site!

The film's name is called "Banned from the Bible"

IF THEY CHANGE IT AGAIN:

Go to www.historychannel.com or http://store.aetv.com
and search for the film by name, and let me know, please!

The reason I copied Mr. Jeffrey H. Tigay's article on my site is to prevent it from vanishing from the internet someday.  Many valuable articles were lost without permanent preservation on the internet.

Anyway, let us look the "digital defloration" key words in his quote:

Digital:  "\Dig"i*tal\, a. [L. digitals.] Of or performance to the fingers, or to digits; done with the fingers; as, digital compression; digital examination."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=digital)

Defloration:  "\Def`lo*ra"tion\, n. [LL. defloratio: cf. F. d['e]floration.] 1. The act of deflouring; as, the defloration of a virgin. --Johnson."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Defloration)

Also, Defloration mean:  "1. The act of deflowering.
                                       2. Rupture of the hymen, typically in sexual intercourse."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=defloration%20)

 
So in other words, digital defloration means inserting a finger or thumb into a virgin female's vagina to cause her to bleed and take away her virginity.  So when Salome himself did digital defloration to Mary (Jesus' mother), and Isaac "himself" did digital defloration to Rebekah, it means that both mentioned men had inserted their fingers into the mentioned female' vaginas.

3-  Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters in the Bibles:

Let us look at the following Verses in the Bibles: "If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof [how do you think they would do that?] that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate.   The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her.  Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.'  But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.'  Then her parents shall display the cloth [the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married] with  before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him.  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:13-18)"  

Here is a more clear translation from Hebrew Resources:  "The girl's father and mother shall produce the evidence of the girl's virginity before the elders of the town at the gate.  And the girl's father shall say to the elders, "I gave this man my daughter to wife, but he had taken an aversion to her; so he has made up charges, saying, 'I did not find your daughter a virgin.' But here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity!"  And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the town.  (From the New JPS translation, Deuteronomy 22:15-17)"

The New JPS translation of Deuteronomy 22:15-17 makes it even more clear about having the parents of the girl displaying the bloody piece of cloth before the elders of the town.

According to the Talmud, the cloth should be "A cloth of less than 3 square finger-breadths.  (From the Talmud, Eruvin 29b-30a and Succah 16a)", and before it is being used, it should be "soft, woolen and clean.   (From the Talmud, Niddah 17a)"

4-  Fathers have full control over their daughters:

The thing that we all must know is that the father in the Bible has full control over his daughters.  Let us look at few quotes from Talmudic and Biblical resources:

The father has the right to force their daughters into marriage:  "The father has the obligation to marry off his daughters.  (From the Talmud, Kiddushin 29a, 30b)", and "Marrying off one's daughter as soon after she reaches adulthood as possible, even to one's Slave.   (From the Talmud, Pesachim 113a)"

The father even has the right to sell his daughter as a servant (slave girl) to other men:  "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her.  (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 21:7-8)"

There is even pre-arranged marriage before the child is even born!

People before they are even born are arranged for marriage:  "A Divine Voice announces who a soon-to-be-born boy and girl will marry when they grow up.   (From the Talmud, Moed Katan 18b, Sotah 2a, Moed Katan 18b and Moed Katan 18b)"

A small rebuttal to the Christian "Answering Islam" team, between me (Osama Abdallah) and Jim:

Jim- Defloration is the act of rupturing the hymen during sexual intercourse. Therefore the man can't stick his hand into the woman's vagina according to Mr. Abdallah. How can you have sexual intercourse and then stick your hand and a cloth at the same time in a woman's vagina. Make no sense does it? Then again most of Mr Abdallah's material makes no sense. 

Osama- Who mentioned sexual intercourse here Jim?   The woman's virginity can be taken through a person's hands, a father's finger inside his daughter.  As I showed above, "digital defloration" means inserting a finger or thumb into the woman's vagina.

I had some Christians raise high objections to this point, and some had even criticized me of being a "liar". Well, beside from the above references that clearly prove my point, if you still do not believe me then go and seek it among OLD MIDDLE EASTERN Jews for yourself.  Also, using your own personal common sense, explain to me what the Bible means by "her parents shall display the cloth" and its relationship to the girl's virginity?  If the husband is the one to take his wife's virginity through sexual intercourse, then what would having the girl's parents displaying "the cloth" have anything to do with it?

You might then think, then how would the husband be able to know whether his wife was ever touched by another man if her father took her virginity away from her before marriage?

My answer to this question is that some men can tell by instinct whether their wives had previous relationships before when they sleep with their wives. This however is very difficult and doesn't apply to all men, especially when their wives are good in faking it.   In the old Jewish culture fathers were to take their daughters' virginity and must keep the bloody cloth for as long as their daughters were married as a solid proof.

That is why the Bible mentions "the cloth" and orders the parents to use it as a proof.  Using your own common sense, the cloth would not be a clean one like anyone you have at home. It has to be a bloody one.

These laws however are not GOD Almighty's Laws, even though they are considered as such.  These are old Jewish Laws that had corrupted the Bibles:

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.  (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!

5-  Why would fathers do that?

Back in the old Biblical days, if a girl commits fornication, she would bring a big shame to the family.  The family would lose their reputation and respect in the town.   That is why you see Biblical verses such as the following:

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.   (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 21:9)"

"...and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible, Ecclesiasticus 22:3)" 

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a MALE child: then she shall be unclean SEVEN DAYS; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying THIRTY THREE days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a FEMALE child, then she shall be unclean TWO WEEKS, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying SIXTY SIX days.  (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 12:2-5)"

6-  The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!

The Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's alterations and corruptions:

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.  (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost.  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"

"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"

"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"

"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"

"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"

"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"

"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"

"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"

"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"

etc...

Please visit: Just who were the original authors of the Bible? to see the book's bibliography to the above quotes.

Also, why don't you visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!

7-  How can you justify "digital defloration" to your sister or daughter?

As we've seen above, it was part of the old Jewish culture to do digital defloration (inserting a finger into the vagina) to women.  Mary, the mother of Jesus, even got digitally deflowered herself!  I'd like to ask all Jews and Christians this simple question:

How can you justify to your daughter or sister that it is Biblically and religiously OK to insert a (middle) finger (whether by male or female; it doesn't matter) into her vagina to take away her virginity?

I mean, beside the woman's husband, who should really have the authority to touch her in her private like that?

And also, could Jeremiah in Jeremiah 8:8 meant exactly this when he said that the Jews had so badly corrupted the Bible and turned it into a "lie"?

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.  (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

As we've seen above, Deuteronomy 22:13-18 absolutely could not have referred to the husband covering his penis with the cloth and inserting it into his wife's vagina.  The verse clearly talked about the cloth being in the parents' possession, and it clearly referred to having the evidence right before the wedding night.

So, could this digital defloration by the bride's relative (whether it is her father, mother, brother, sister, or what have you) be nothing but a ridiculous LIE that was put in GOD Almighty's Holy Mouth as a Revelation sent from Him as Jeremiah 8:8 above clearly suggests?

I'll let you answer this for yourself.

Also, could Islam be the Truth, and the Bible be the mix between Truth and falsehood as Muslims claim?  Could Islam really have been foretold by previous Prophets?

Please visit:  The Scientific Miracles in the Noble Quran and Islam.

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was foretold by the name in several Books and Gospels in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

The original name for GOD Almighty in Aramaic and Hebrew was indeed "Allah".  See proofs from Hebrew and Aramaic resources.  Aramaic was the language that Jesus peace be upon him spoke during his ministry.   Also, according to the Bible, "Yahweh" was not GOD Almighty's original name.  It was "Allah".  See proofs from the Hebrew resources.

8-  Some minority Christians in Europe still do it today:

The following two posts were sent to me by Anna C., may Allah Almighty further Lead her to Islam.  Ameen.  They contain a link that has a story about old-fashion Christians in Europe practicing this Biblical law.  For the sake of readability, the structure of every post that is stored on my site is as follows:

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Anna C.

<I decided not to reveal her email address>

https://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

3/14/2005

I think, on the issue of fathers digitally raping their daughters, that it would also be interesting to note that this custom was also practiced by the Gypsies that lived in the Iberian Peninsula.

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Anna C.

<I decided not to reveal her email address>

https://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

3/14/2005

http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm  

I meant nothing ill by the comment, I just found it interesting to note that this was also practiced elsewhere.

Thank you for your time!

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Note:  Because I realize that this contribution by Anna C. will offend many of the Islam-hating Jews and Christians, I decided to keep her email address anonymous.

The link above contains the following quotes:

"But the gypsy wedding I attended was all rejoicing and beauty - albeit of a rather uncivilised kind, which made it all the more exciting. The lovely 17 year old bride, our neighbour Paqui, walked down from El Coro (our gypsy neigbourhood) in a cloud of white chiffon on the arm of her father, Conejo (Rabbit, as he is known), between two rows of admiring neighbours - even the payos came out to gape. In the great round church, the mothers of bride and groom stood by the altar until the priest had finished his standard sermon and then, with great feeling, sang lamenco marriage chants into the microphone, one of which, I remember, spoke of the union of "gitano con gitana". As they left the church, a white dove was released into the air, a symbol of the bride's purity, soon to fly away."

.........

"Paqui was then taken away by the two mothers and an old gypsy woman with a great mane of white hair, who, it was explained to me, was a virginity examiner (the actual expression for what she does is sacar la honra, or "display the honour"), who had been brought especially all the way from Cadiz, at great expense: 100,000 pesetas for the night's work, which is more than the minimum monthly wage. The reason why the sacaora, as she is known, has to come from so far away is, they said, to ensure her impartiality...

An hour later the three women and Paqui (who looked sheepishly proud, as if she had just been awarded her high school diploma) were back: the "judge" entered the church screaming and holding up a large white handkerchief embroidered in each corner with three red roses (this is because, generations ago, three corners of the handkerchief were twisted together to form a lancet which actually deflowered the girl, and came out stained in blood). I drew closer and could observe that there was a yellowish stain in the middle of the handkerchief, which showed signs of having been creased. The current, more "civilised" procedure is for the judge to wrap the handkerchief around her finger and introduce it in the vagina to feel, rather than break the hymen."

(http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm......the color, underline and bold emphasis added above are mine)

As we clearly see above, those Gypsy minority in Europe are Christians, and among those Christians, the digital defloration of virgin women before marriage is still practiced even until today!

9-  Numbers 31:7, 17-18 further prove that fingers were inserted into virgin girls!

Let us look at the verses in question:

Numbers 31:7, 17-18 "They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.......Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

You can read the entire story of the Israelites and the Midianites in the short chapter of Numbers 31 for more details.

Now, few points to mention here:

1-  All of the males (infants, children, grown men, and elderly) were killed.

2-  Every woman who was not a virgin was also killed.

3-  Every girl who was a virgin was saved as a spoil of war.

First of all, we need to picture the whole scenario here so we can get a better understanding of what exactly went on.  After the Israelite's victory over the Midianites, and after the capturing of all of their lands and people, the thousands of the remaining Midianite people were gathered at once.  The remaining men and all male children were taken and slaughtered.  The women were all lined up for checking.

Now how do you think they were able to tell who is a virgin from a non-virgin, especially that all of the men seem to have been killed first.  Certainly a newly wed girl who didn't have children yet could easily deny that she was ever touched by a man.   Do you think the Israelites just questioned the women and the girls and took their words at face value?  Of course not.  From all of the evidence that we have in this article's sections above, and from the clear picture of what took place from events in the Numbers 31:7, 17-18 verses, there is no question in my mind that:

1-  Every single mother was slaughtered along with the men.

2-  Every single "young" girl was literally checked by inserting a finger(s) into her vagina to tell whether she was a virgin or not.  Perhaps most likely also, men did the checking.  As we see in the next sub-section, they even inserted their penises into 3-year old girls!! 

3-year old girls were literally raped!

We also need to know that according to the Jewish Talmud's elaboration on the historical events that took place in the Numbers 31, 17-18, Moses and his men literally inserted their penises into girls who were as young as 3 years old (three years old).  Here is the proof:

From www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm:

Children

Sometimes one has to read a passage twice to believe what has been written in the Sacred Books of Judaism: what has been decreed the way to a holy life by the "sages of blessed memory... whose words are the natural sounds of Judaism" [131]:

Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

R. Nahman bar Isaac said. "They made the decree that a gentile child should be deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15], so that an Israelite child should not hang around with him and commit pederasty [as he does]."
For said R. Zira, "I had much anguish with R. Assi, and R. Assi with R. Yohanan, and R. Yohanan with R. Yannai, and R. Yannai with R. Nathan b. Amram, and R. Nathan b. Amram with Rabbi [on this matter]: 'From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]'? And he said to me, 'On the day on which he is born.' But when I came to R. Hiyya, he said to me, 'From the age of nine years and one day.' And when I came and laid the matter before Rabbi, he said to me, 'Discard my reply and adopt that of R. Hiyya, who declared, "From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]? From the age of nine years and one day."'
[37A] Since he is then suitable for having sexual relations, he also is deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [of Lev.15]."
Said Rabina, "Therefore a gentile girl who is three years and one day old, since she is then suitable to have sexual relations, also imparts uncleanness of the flux variety."
That is self-evident!
Abodah Zarah 36B-37A [133]

The basis for these rulings is the following Mishnaic passage of Tractate Niddah (filth):

A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."
And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility.
If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye.
(Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

Thus, one "of the many important issues worked out in the Mishnah concerns proper conduct with women," [135] and the "entire society of Judaism – that is, the community formed by the Torah – found in the Talmud those modes of thought and inquiry, those media of order and value, that guided the formation of public affairs and private life as well." [136]

While it is reassuring to see there was at least some limit as to what the sages would declare holy and moral, this ruling had severe implications on the interpretation of other topics as well. The Tannaďtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17).
[This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man...
But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood." [137]

According to the Tannaďte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]

Bibliography:

[131] Ibid., vol.XXI.A-D, Tractate Bava Mesia, Atlanta: Scholars Press 1990, p.ix-x.

[132] Ibid., vol.XXIII.B, Tractate Sanhedrin 1984, 150. See also vol.XIX.A, Tractate Qiddushin 10a-b, 1992, 33. "Menstruating" here of course refers to the ritual "flux uncleanness" described in Lev.15.

[133] Ibid., vol.XXV.A, Tractate Abodah Zarah, 1991, 168. Emphasis original.

[134] J. Neusner, The Talmud of Babylonia. A complete outline, Part IV. The Division of Holy Things. B. Number 37. 1995, 704.

[135] Neusner 1993, 41.

[136] Neusner 1995, 7.

[137] Kuhn 1959, §157, 652f. My translation. In general, proselytes are not allowed to marry into the priesthood.

[138] Ibid., §157, footnote 86, 653.

10-  Rebuttals:

Please visit Further Rebuttals to Jim about Fathers raping their daughters in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

11-  Conclusion:

The Bible is a book that had been badly corrupted by the man-made Jewish cultural nonsense through the "scribes".  As we've seen above, GOD Almighty condemned the scribes in Jeremiah 8:8 and said they turned the Bible into a lie.  The scribes are man made laws and lies that had been inserted into the Bible as Divine Revelations from GOD Almighty.  Certainly, the "fathers inserting their fingers into their daughters' vaginas" law is a scribes' corruption in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Further sites to research:

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Raping girls at the age of 3 is allowed in the Jewish Holiest Book, the Talmud.

What is the punishment for rape in Christianity and Islam?  See how the Bible tolerates it and even indirectly promotes it to happen to single women.

Contradicting errors even in Porn in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  

History of man's corruption in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  The Bible was not even written by the Prophets of GOD and the Disciples of Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Christianity is the cause of our social corruptions today.

Women rights in Christianity?

Response to the so called "Pornography" in the Noble Quran.

Church Priests/Ministers who changed their sex and still preach in their Churches.

Priests with the AIDS.

Back to women in Islam and Christianity section.

References/Bibliography:

1- The Jewish Talmud.

2- The NIV Study Bible, 10th Anniversary Edition. 
General Editor: Kenneth Barker.
Associate Editors: Donald Burdick, John Stek, Walter Wessel and Ronald Youngblood.
Published at: Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, MI 49530, USA
ISBN: 0-310-92589-4.

He wrote:

Nick: Hahaha, right now you blamed [the] Bible, that it doesn't give punishment for rape (and I showed you that it is not [the] truth) but YOU COULDN'T FIND PUNISHMENT FOR RAPE IN THE QURAN AND [now] BROUGHT SOME HADITH!!! QURAN IS A BOOK, THAT DOESN'T GIVE ANY PUNISHMENT FOR RAPE!

Quennel: Osama's challenge was that there was no punishment for rape in the Bible, what he fells to state to his reader is the simple fact that the Hadith is his only source for providing any punishment for this matter!!! Notice the hypocracy and the change in tone when it came to Islam. Even the Hadiths he use, are considered weak and he wouldn't even accept them if they put up a particular argument against Islam. The Hadith literature was composed 200 years after the death of Muhammad. That means the earliest source that Osama can come up with comes after the fact. One must wonder why he could only find one Hadith quote and then had to rely on a book to aid in his arguments. Notice that there are no quotes from Bukhari or Muslim, which are considered the most authentic Hadiths in Islam!!! Why Osama. And most importantly, why you couldn't even find a single verse in the Quran dealing with this matter? Does Allah believe that rape of women is not important to address? Seems like it. Lets look at how Muhammad looked at women from Osama's own Hadiths and his book the Quran:

Here we see that not only did Muhammad receive a fifth of the plunder, but also women of his choice to cohabit with. 

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, #2991:  

Anas said:

“A beautiful slave girl fell to Dihyah. The apostle purchased her for seven slaves. He then gave her to Umm Sulaim for decoration her and preparing her for marriage.”  

Muhammad was so captivated by this woman's beauty that he gave up seven slaves for her! This serves to debunk the Muslim myth that Islam came to set slaves free, whereas Christianity drove men into slavery.  

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, #2992:  

Anas said:

Captives were gathered at Khaibar. Dihyah came and said, “apostle, give me a slave girl form the captives.” He said, “Go and take a slave girl.” He took Safiyyah. A man then came to the prophet and said: “You gave Safiyyah chief lady of Quraizah and al-Nadir to Dihyah?” This is according to the version of Yaqub. Then the agreed version goes: “She is worthy of you.” He (Muhammad) said, “Call him along with her.” When the prophet looked at her, he said to him: “Take another slave girl from the captives.” The prophet then set her free and married her.  

And, 

Narrated ‘Abdul ‘Aziz:

Anas said, 'When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet. He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, ‘Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, ‘Muhammad (has come).’ (Some of our companions added, “With his army.”) We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, ‘O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.’ The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Allah's Apostles! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet said, 'Bring him along with her.’ So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, ‘Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.’ Anas added: The Prophet then manumitted her and married her.”

Thabit asked Anas, “O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?” He said, “Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her.” Anas added, “While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet. So the Prophet was a bridegroom and he said, ‘Whoever has anything (food) should bring it.’ He spread out a leather sheet (for the food) and some brought dates and others cooking butter. (I think he (Anas) mentioned As-SawTq). So they prepared a dish of Hais (a kind of meal). And that was Walrma (the marriage banquet) of Allah's Apostle.” (Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367)

My response:

Two points were raised here:

1-  Punishment for rape in Islam.

2-  Slave girls in Islam and the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Point #1:

(Punishment for rape in Islam)

From www.answering-christianity.com/que10.htm:

Punishment for rape in Islam:

In Islam, we follow the laws of the Noble Quran, and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.  If a situation or case is not addressed in neither the Noble Quran, or the Sayings of our beloved Prophet, then we follow the local verdicts of our Religious Authorities, where they would decide based upon the cultural and social situation and causes.

Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:

"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.  (The Noble Quran, 4:59)"

"When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan.  (The Noble Quran, 4:83)"

Since the punishment for rape doesn't exist in the Noble Quran, but exists in the Sayings of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him, then the verdict or law for punishing the rapist according to Noble Verses 4:59 and 4:83 above must come from our beloved Prophet's Sayings.

Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said regarding this issue:

The following information was sent to me.  Let us look at how Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him dealt with the rapists:

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.  She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).  When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to the woman: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you.  And about the man who had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.  (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4366)"

Some Muslims do not believe in this Saying as an authentic one, because it didn't come from a "Sahih" (authentic in English) source.  It came from "Sunan Abu Dawud".  Sayings of our Prophet's companions and wives narrated in "Sunan Abu Dawud" are indeed authentic.  But Sayings from other people such as Wa'il ibn Hujr above are doubtful.  The only volumes that had been double and triple checked and are absolutely authentic to the Muslims are the "Sahih" volumes as I mentioned.  With "Sunan Abu Dawud" we have to be extra careful, for it contains truthful and untruthful narrations about our Prophet peace be upon him.

Saudi Arabia today applies the death penalty for the punishment of rape and other cases as well.  The following quote was taken from an article from CNN.COM regarding the punishment of a rapist.  He was punished to death:

"Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer and Washington's closest Arab ally for more than a half century, follows a strict interpretation of Islam that calls for the death penalty for murder, rape, drug trafficking and armed robbery.  (http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/07/20/saudi.beheading.ap/index.html)"

Here is an article that I copied and pasted from CNN.COM:

From http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/08/24/saudi.beheading.ap/index.html

"Two executed in Saudi Arabia for rape, drug trafficking

August 24, 2001 Posted: 11:48 AM EDT (1548 GMT)

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) -- Saudi Arabia on Friday beheaded a Saudi man for raping boys and an Indian for drug trafficking, the Interior Ministry said.

In the capital Riyadh, Saudi citizen Dowaihi bin Mohammed al-Qahtani was executed after he was convicted of armed robbery and kidnapping and raping boys, the ministry said in a statement carried by the official Saudi Press Agency. 

Seyed bin Mahboub Amir, from India, was executed in Riyadh for smuggling an unspecified quantity of heroin into the kingdom, according to the statement. 

Friday's executions bring to at least 74 the number of people beheaded this year in the kingdom, where executions are carried out in public with a sword. Last year, 125 people were beheaded.

Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam that demands the death penalty for murder, rape, drug trafficking and armed robbery."

Very Important Note:  In Islam, determining the case as a rape case is important and would mean the difference between life and death to the man.  There is a difference between a rapist who is caught raping innocent children as shown in the article above, or someone who forcibly raped a woman beyond her will after stalking her, and someone went with his girlfriend on his boat (by her own will) to the middle of the sea, and spent the night there together, and she came back claiming that he raped her. 

If a woman seems that she invited a man to have sex with her, or was willing to have sex with him and both went away and came back later, and then she claims that he raped her, and he denies that, then her case would be considered invalid, and both of them would be determined to have had illegal sex, and therefore, both of them would get punished for it.  The point is that, women don't always determine the rape case.  And the men's lives are not under the women's mercy.  The woman has to be stalked and raped in order for her case to be considered a rape case.

Do I agree with applying the above Saying of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him and not agree with applying his Sayings in the case of Apostates in Islam, and Punishment of adultery in Islam?

The above Saying of our beloved Prophet doesn't conflict with the laws of the Noble Quran, because only adultery/fornication was addressed in the Noble Quran and not rape explicitly for the "illegal sex" cases.  In the case of "Apostates in Islam" and "Punishment of adultery in Islam" articles, I showed clearly that the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were temporary and Allah Almighty meant for them to be temporary, because Islam was still partial and the Muslims had to deal with many hypocrites from the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], and fix many social problems and corruptions that people used to live by before Islam.  Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran set the Bigger Law for the two situations that must be followed for all times and all places.

It is important to know that many Muslim scholars believe in applying the punishment for adultery to the rapist, since as I said, the Noble Quran only addresses adultery/fornication for the "illegal sex" cases.

I personally think that since the Saying of our Prophet didn't exist in any of the "Sahih" volumes, which are the authentic volumes for his Sayings, then following this Saying in all cases would be seem to be unfair to the rapist, because (1) We don't know if the rapist in the Saying was a single or married man, which would make the difference between flogging him 100 stripes and stoning him to death; and (2) We don't have other witnesses other than the narrator for the validity of the Saying.

Important Note:  Even the "stoning to death" for the married adulterer/adulteress is ambiguous, because it seems that Allah Almighty had replaced this law with the "flogging of 100 stripes" one.  This is verified at this article.

Point #2:

(Slave girls in Islam and the Bible)

From www.answering-christianity.com/prisoners_of_war.htm#killing_captives_is_forbidden:

Deuteronomy 20:13-20
13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword (even the unarmed ones):
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:
20 Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

In the following verses we see the following:

1-   All men, including the unarmed ones, were to be executed (Deuteronomy 20:13).

2-   All women and children were to be taken as spoils of war (Deuteronomy 20:14).

3-   For the others, kill and destroy every creature that is breathing - that is all men, women, children and animals (Deuteronomy 20:16-17).

My open challenge to Jews and Christians:

Jews and Christians today often talk about the lie of "Islamic Terrorism".  I openly challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender). 

See the Rights of Prisoners of War in Islam. 

Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.  (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.  (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

Allah Almighty also Commanded UNCOMPROMISED Justice:
"O ye who believe! Stand out firmly For justice, as witnesses To Allah, even as against Yourselves, or your parents, Or your kin, and whether It be (against) rich or poor: For Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (Of your hearts), lest ye Swerve, and if ye Distort (justice) or decline To do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted With all that ye do.  (The Noble Quran, 4:135)"

Yet, we see mass slaughters as shown above and in the following links, and even rape of 3-year old girls in the man-altered, man-fabricated and man-corrupted Bibles:

He wrote:

The Hadith shows how Muhammad was so fascinated with women until he couldn't even control himself as shown above. Osama can't find a single verse talking against rape in the Quran, the reason why is because women are nothing more than sex object in the sight of Allah and the Quran:

Even more astonishing is this description:

Ibn Kathir, one of Islam's premiere commentators, notes:

To imagine that God would reveal such a verse, wherein he would actually say that in paradise one will find women who literally have firm breasts is incredulous.

The idea of having sexual relations in Paradise has led some Muslims to interpret these passages metaphorically. This in turn has prompted the assumption that the description is merely a poetic attempt to describe that which is indescribable.

Unfortunately for these scholars, Muhammad will not allow for such an interpretation. In Sahih Muslim, no. 6793 and 6794, we are told:

According to Ibn Kathir's commentary on S. 56:35-37, a Muslim will be given seventy specially created females with two of his earthly wives, for a total of seventy-two maidens in Paradise.

In Mishkat Al-Masabih, Muhammad indicates:

Even more amazing is this statement from Muhammad:

An editorial footnote to Ibn Kathir’s translation indicates that the word dahman means intercourse done with such "shove and disturbance." (Ibid.)

Finally, the Quran speaks of women as tillage that one can plow into anyway they choose:

According to some Muslim sources, this verse was revealed to condone anal sex:

Need we say more? Men can plow into women anyway they choose, which explains why Hajj Allah doesn't talk about any verse dealing with rape. Muhammad killed many men and married their wives so why should Allah have anything to say about it. We see that Osama's idea of rape in the bible is flawed and we see that he can't provide a single verse showing that the Quran talks against it. Nick a Jewish friend of us both exposed him and it is very embarrasing to say that least that a guy like this is trying to teach Christians and Jews what the Bible says. Osama looks good to ignorant Muslims but however you will never see his site proclaimed anywhere over the internet.

Osama's link discussed is here: Question #10 Rape in Islam and Christianity

My response:

It's funny how the polytheist trinitarian pagan makes fun of Islam on something his gospel of porn, the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine" supports.

From: The 70 Houris for men, who will live like kings, in Heaven is actually supported by the Bible!

Does the Islamic Paradise really contradict the Bible's Paradise?  Will there be physical pleasures in Heaven?

Note of contradiction:  Below you will see how the NT said that Heaven has no marriage in it, while Genesis called Eve a "wife" and our "mother".

More and more we hear of ignorance from Christians who criticize Islam for claiming that Paradise will have physical pleasures in it similar to the ones that we have here on earth.  Personally, I've heard cheap comments before about the 70 Houris for men in Heaven and how the Prophet, peace be upon him, "promised horny desert men" sex in Paradise.

Bashing is easy, and believe me, nothing is easier than bashing the gospel of porn bible for claiming that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and that sisters can look lustfully at their biological brothers and wish to have sex with them in bed.  All of the quotes from the gospel of porn are locate at:  X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Note:  The exact number of 70 Houris is not mentioned in the Noble Quran.  It is only mentioned in the Hadiths (collections of the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him).  But Houris were mentioned in the Noble Quran.  So the number is most likely true, even though the Hadiths were collected centuries after the natural death of the Prophet.  In other words, the possibility of the Hadith being corrupt (most of the Bible is mostly corrupt), is slim because the Noble Quran supports the narration by mentioning the Houris as shown at the end of the article.  Please visit:  What parts of the Hadiths and Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why?

Now having said all of that, let us now get technical here.  The answer to the questions above is quite simple and requires no 50-page lengthy article to prove it. 

The Creation of Adam and Eve in Heaven!

Before we begin, I'd like to describe what the Garden of Eden is according to Islam and the Bibles:

In Islam:

Narrated Abdullah bin Qais: "Allah's Apostle said, "Two gardens, the utensils and the contents of which are of silver, and two other gardens, the utensils and contents of which are of gold. And nothing will prevent the people who will be in the Garden of Eden from seeing their Lord except the curtain of Majesty over His Face."  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 401)"

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Qais: "The Prophet said, "(There will be) two Paradises of silver and all the utensils and whatever is therein (will be of silver); and two Paradises of gold, and its utensils and whatever therein (will be of gold), and there will be nothing to prevent the people from seeing their Lord except the Cover of Majesty over His Face in the Paradise of Eden (eternal bliss)."   (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 536)"

To see the details of Heaven in the Noble Quran, please visit:

Would you describe Heaven and Hell in Islam?

In the Bibles:

When GOD Almighty created Adam, peace be upon him, in the Garden of Eden (one of the Gardens of Heaven), He created him in our physical form today:

Genesis 2:7-9
7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:14-16
14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;

The earth that we are living on today is the worst and lowest land that GOD Almighty Created.  It is called the waste land, and it is the punishment that Adam and Eve received when they disobeyed GOD Almighty:

Genesis 3:22-24
22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Isaiah 51:3
3 The LORD will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the LORD. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.

Ezekiel 28:13
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.

Ezekiel 31:9
9 I made it beautiful with abundant branches, the envy of all the trees of Eden in the garden of God.

Joel 2:3
3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes. Before them the land is like the garden of Eden, behind them, a desert waste— nothing escapes them.

Several important points to notice:

1-  Eden is a vast Heaven (as also shown in the verses below).  Adam and Eve initially existed in a Garden that existed in the Heaven of Eden, which is why it was later called the "Garden of Eden". 

2-  Notice how GOD Almighty literally took Adam and placed him in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:15) and then banished him and his "wife" (see Genesis 3:17, Genesis 3:20 below) out of it into the waste land, earth (Genesis 3:23, Ezekiel 28:13, Joel 2:3).

3-  The names of the rivers such as Tigris and Euphrates don't mean that these are the same rivers that we have here on earth, in Iraq today!  It is quite possible that Adam named several earthly places on earth the same as Heavenly ones to keep the good memories of the Blessed Days alive.   There is a city in Yemen today called "Eden".  Yemen as a land and its city of Eden are far from being a place like Paradise.  As we further see in the following verses, Eden was called the "Garden/Heaven of GOD" while earth was called "waste land". 

4-  The book of Genesis is not original.  It is a rewrite and it also had been tampered with.  While it is similar to the Islamic Accounts regarding Adam, Eve and Heaven, but only the Noble Quran and the Islamic Claims are original and truly Divine.  See the Bible's own theologians' comments regarding the corruption of the book of Genesis.

Further proofs from Wikipedia Encyclopedia:

Also, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden:

"In the tale the garden is planted "in" Eden, and accordingly "Eden" properly denotes the larger territory which contains the garden rather than being the name of the garden itself: it is, thus, the garden located in Eden."

As we clearly see above:

Eden was called the Garden/Heaven of GOD!

Our Earth was called a "waste land"!

After GOD Almighty finished Creating Adam, He decided to create a mate for him.   GOD Almighty literally took Adam's rib (which proves that Adam had a physical body) and created Eve, peace be upon her, from it.  There is no question that Adam  and Eve had physical bodies that even had genitals in them too!  The proof for this is simply our bodies today, and the purpose of our genitals is to enable us to "multiply" (Genesis 8:17, Genesis 9:7).  That is why GOD Almighty Created a male and a female.  I wonder how Adam and Eve were supposed to "multiply" if they didn't have genitals.

Now before I go any further, let me raise the following questions:

1-  Why did GOD Almighty Create genitals for Adam and Eve in Heaven?

2-  Why did GOD Almighty, from the first place, create male and female in Heaven?

The answer is simple and its given above:  To multiply!

Later on after Eve was created, we are taught that she ate the forbidden fruit after she got tempted by the devil, which caused both Adam and Eve to be kicked out of Heaven.   Now, let me raise the following questions:

1-  Did Adam and Eve have sex during the days before they got kicked out of Heaven?  If not, then why not?   Wasn't she created to be his mate?  Did they not then have physical contact with each others for the, perhaps, long years that they lived with each others in Heaven before getting kicked out of it?

Genesis 3:17
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

Genesis 3:20
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

These verses called Eve a "wife" and a "mother".  Now assuming that Adam and Eve never got kicked out of Heaven, then how would exactly Eve become a "mother", who already was a "wife" in Heaven?

Wouldn't it be through sexual intercourse with Adam that would eventually lead to impregnation?

Also, the fact that Eve was Adam's "wife" in Heaven and was meant to be eventually the "mother of all the living", then there is no doubt that Adam and Eve did consummate (have sex) in Heaven!  Otherwise, how exactly was Eve a "wife" to Adam?  What do husbands and wives do?

2-  Since GOD Almighty Created love and sexuality, and Adam and Even certainly had genitals in Heaven, and they loved each others, and they were a husband and a wife, then give me one logical reason why they couldn't have possibly had sex in Heaven!

So now that we established that sex did actually occur in the "Bible's" Heaven, or to say the least, it was not sinful at all, and that it was GOD Almighty's intent to have it exist in Heaven, then let us now move on to the ridiculous contradictions that the man-altered and man-corrupted (according to the bible's theologians) New Testament have created among its followers, the Christians.

The Christians' beliefs regarding Heaven:

Christians believe that we will be like "spirits" or "Angels" in Heaven without physical bodies.  They believe that once a "Christian" dies, then he/she will go and live with GOD Almighty as a spirit in Heaven:

Matthew 22:29-30
29. Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
30. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Obviously this contradicts the very teachings of their very own Bible about Adam and Eve having physical bodies in Heaven and that they had sex (they were a husband and wife).

If we will not marry in Heaven, then why was Eve called a "Wife" in the Genesis verses above?

Wife, marriage, hello??

The man-made contradictions and garbage in the Bible are sound and clear!

If Eve was not a "wife" to Adam, then how exactly was she supposed to be our "mother"?   Was she Adam's girlfriend?  Aren't fornication and adultery considered a sin in the Eyes of GOD Almighty?

By the way, even if Adam and Eve never had sex, which is a ridiculous theory given the evidence above, the fact that they had physical bodies (Eve was created from Adam's rib) in Heaven soundly refutes the lies that were told in the New Testament about us being only spirits in Heaven!

Briefly, let us look at what GOD Almighty Said in the Noble Quran about the human-Believers in Heaven:

"They will recline (with ease) On Thrones (of dignity) Arranged in ranks; And We shall join them To Companions, with beautiful Big and lustrous eyes.  And those who believe And whose families follow Them in Faith -- to them Shall We join their families:  Nor shall We deprive them (Of the fruit) of aught Of their works:  (Yet) is each individual In pledge for his deeds.   (The Noble Quran, 52:20-21)"

"For them will be a Home Of Peace in the presence Of their Lord: He will be Their Friend, because They practised (righteousness).  (The Noble Quran, 6:127)"

"And We shall remove from their hearts any lurking sense of injury;- beneath them will be rivers flowing;- and they shall say: 'Praise be to God, who hath guided us to this (felicity): never could we have found guidance, had it not been for the guidance of God: indeed it was the truth, that the apostles of our Lord brought unto us.' And they shall hear the cry: 'Behold! the garden before you! Ye have been made its inheritors, for your deeds (of righteousness).'  (The Noble Quran, 7:43)"

"And they will say: 'Praise be to Allah, Who has removed from us (All) sorrow: for our Lord Is indeed Oft-Forgiving Ready to appreciate (service).  (The Noble Quran, 35:34)"

"But it is for those Who fear their Lord, That lofty mansions, One above another, Have been built: Beneath them flow Rivers (of delight): (such is) The promise of Allah: Never doth Allah fail in (His) promise.  (The Noble Quran, 39:20)"

"But those who believe And work deeds of righteousness -- To them shall We give A Home in Heaven -- Lofty mansions beneath which Flow rivers -- to dwell therein For aye -- an excellent reward For those who do (good)! -- Those who preserve in patience, And put their trust In their Lord and Cherisher.  (The Noble Quran, 29:58-59)"

"And We shall bestow On them, of fruit and meat, Anything they shall desire.  (The Noble Quran, 52:22)"

"(To them will be said:) 'Eat and drink ye, With profit and health, Because of your (good) deeds.  (The Noble Quran, 52:19)"

"Therein will they Recline (at ease):  Therein can they Call (at pleasure) For fruit in abundance, And (delicious) drink;  (The Noble Quran, 38:51)"

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Jesus lusted after Mary Magdalene!  According to the Gospel of Philip.

Fathers are literally allowed to stick their fingers into their own daughters' vaginas in the Bible before the daughters get married.

Forcing 3-year old slave girls into sex in both the Bible and the Talmud.

Jesus lusted after Mary Magdalene!

My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Osama Abdallah's Obsession with Pedophilia in the Bible" article.

What is the punishment for rape in Christianity and Islam?  See how the Bible tolerates it and even indirectly promotes it to happen to single women.

Contradicting errors even in Porn in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  

History of man's corruption in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  The Bible was not even written by the Prophets of GOD and the Disciples of Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Christianity is the cause of our social corruptions today.

Women rights in Christianity?

Church Priests/Ministers who changed their sex and still preach in their Churches.

Priests with the AIDS.

Homosexual Marriage in Islam?

What is the punishment for Gays and Lesbians in Islam?

Is anal sex really allowed in Islam?  It is prohibited between the Husband and the Wife.

Science proved that Homosexuals are born natural. How then can Islam prohibit homosexuality?

What is the punishment for fornication and adultery in Islam?

What is the punishment for rape in Christianity and Islam?  See how the Bible tolerates it and even indirectly promotes it to happen to single women.

Does Paradise in Islam really have Lesbianism in it?

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

X-Rated Pornography in the Noble Quran?  Bunch of nonsense put together by anti-Islamics.

Are Homosexuals and eating Pigs allowed in the Bible?

The Bible claims that Sarah (Isaac's mother) was Abraham's biological sister.

The lust for virgins and the degradation of non-virgins in the Bible's OT and NT.

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