What's new | A-Z | Discuss & Blog | Youtube |
Proverbs 8 contains no proof of Trinity!
Sajita has claimed that Proverbs 8
contains "proof" that Jeus was the "master craftsman" who assisted God
in creation of the Universe.
Unfortuantely for Sajita this claim is UNSUPPORTED by the Bible Text - IF READ IN CONTEXT:
HERE IS THE COMPLETE TEXT OF PROVERBS 8:
Does not WISDOM call,
does not understanding raise HER voice?
On the heights beside the way,
in the paths she takes HER stand;
beside the gates in front of the town,
at the entrance of the portals SHE CRIES ALOUD:
"To you, O men, I CALL,
and MY CRY is to the sons of men.
O simple ones, learn prudence;
O foolish men, pay attention.
Hear, for I WILL SPEAK noble things,
and from MY LIPS will come what is right;
for MY MOUTH will utter truth;
wickedness is an abomination to MY LIPS.
All the words of MY MOUTH are righteous;
there is nothing twisted or crooked in them.
They are all straight to him who understands
and right to those who find knowledge.
Take MY INSTRUCTION instead of silver,
and knowledge rather than choice gold;
for WISDOM is better than jewels,
and all that you may desire cannot compare with HER.
I, WISDOM, dwell in prudence,
and I FIND knowledge and discretion.
The fear of the LORD is hatred of evil.
Pride and arrogance and the way of evil
and perverted speech I HATE.
I HAVE counsel and sound wisdom,
I HAVE insight, I have strength.
By ME kings reign,
and rulers decree what is just;
by ME princes rule,
and nobles govern the earth.
I LOVE those who love ME,
and those who seek ME diligently find ME.
Riches and honor are with ME,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
MY FRUIT is better than gold, even fine gold,
and MY YIELD than choice silver.
I WALK in the way of righteousness,
in the paths of justice,
endowing with wealth those who love ME,
and filling their treasuries.
The LORD created ME at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
Ages ago I WAS set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
When there were no depths I WAS brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I WAS brought forth;
before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
When he established the heavens, I WAS there,
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
when he made firm the skies above,
when he established the fountains of the deep,
when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
then I WAS beside him, like a master workman;
and I WAS daily his delight,
rejoicing before him always,
rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the sons of men.
And now, my sons, listen to ME:
happy are those who keep MY WAYS.
Hear instruction and be wise,
and do not neglect it.
Happy is the man who listens to ME,
watching daily at MY GATES,
waiting beside MY DOORS.
For he who finds ME finds life
and obtains favor from the LORD;
but he who misses ME injures himself;
all who hate ME love death."
Readers should note THREE THINGS:
1. There is NO REAL CONVERSATION GOING ON! Rather, the speech being given is a FIGURATIVE ONE given by THE PERSONIFICATION OF WISDOM. that is being recounted by Solomon ["The proverbs of Solomon, son of David, king of Israel" - Proverbs 1:1] . Nowhere in the text is is claimed that
"wisdom" is a real being - or other than a personification of an abstract principle.
2. Every reference to "I," "MY," ME," "SHE," or "HER" is a reference to WISDOM.
Use of "SHE" and "HER" negates these as references to Jesus - who was a MALE
3. In contrast, every reference to GOD is to "HE" , "HIM" or "HIS" - NEVER "she" or "her"! See Proverbs 8:22, 26-31 [Therefore - even under Sajita's theory - Wisdom must be a SECOND SUPERNATURAL BEING who is FEMALE - not God - who is
referenced with MALE PRONOUNS!]
In Proverbs 8 we actually see how the origins of the "Trinity" myth: Jewish hadithists
falsely interpreted thsi FIGURATIVE speech by "Wisdom" as a LITERAL one, and
claimed that "Wisdom" or "the Word" or "The Torah" was a "co-creator" of the Universe!
Among Jewish hadith literature, an elaborate mythology exists about God taking a finite form or "first emanation" as "Adam Kadmon". Adam Kadmon was supposedly Gobs "blueprint" for creation. These Jewish hadithists also claim that the Torah ("the Word") was involved in creation - Indeed, was consulted by God in connection with creation! http://www.ihms.net/kabbalah/image_of_yhvh.htm
Thus we have a "Trinity" of God, The Word, and Adam Kadmon!
The promoters of Christianity took these Jewish ahadith and ran with them !
A writer on the Qabala [who believes Jesus was Adam Kadmon] correctly noted:
"John & Paul were very kabbalistic in their definition of Yeshua [Jesus]. When you read what they say, it is obvious they were only reiterating the same concepts, almost word for word, that we have just seen in the Kabbalah."
So, correctly viewed, modern "Christianity" is a structure built on Jewish sayings that the Jews themselves no longer follow!
Sincerely, Abdul Haleem
Back to Answering Trinity section.
Send your comments.
Back to Main Page.
What's new | A-Z | Discuss & Blog | Youtube