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Round 1:
Question:
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This claims that in some places on the globe there is no sunset
except after many months. If you are to fast sunrise to sunset, this
one would take 24 months and you would die.
They say this mistake was made because 7th century desert dwellers
didn't know about the poles or Earth's roundness.
Also, what if you don't live on Earth, how do you fast?
Answer:
As'salamu Alaikum dear
brother,
Here is my response to the points on Praying and Fasting if you live
near the North or South Poles. Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon
him, commanded the Muslims to make an estimate about the time of
Prayer if they're not sure:
When
it is not possible to determine time for Prayer and Fasting, Muslims
must اقْدُرُوا لَهُ
قَدْرَهُ (make an estimate
of time) instead:
"....Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: No, but
you must make an estimate of time اقْدُرُوا لَهُ قَدْرَهُ
(and then observe prayer)...." (Sahih
Muslim Book 41, Number 7015, and
Sunan Abu Dawud, Hadith 4321)
"...Thereupon he said, "No, but you must
make an estimate of time and then offer Salat
(Prayer).''..." (Source
1,2)
This Hadith was given to me by
brother Submit on this website's
blog,
may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
Also, here are some Quran-Facts about this
topic:
1-
Allah Almighty Said that He is the GOD of the sunrises and sunsets
(plural for both). This means there isn't just one fixed sunrise
and sunset point on earth or for earth.
No, there are Mashaariq (sunrises) and
Maghaarib (sunsets):
[070:040]
Now I do call to witness
the Lord of all points in
the East
المشارق and the West
المغارب that We can certainly-
70:40 فلا اقسم برب المشارق والمغارب انا لقادرون
[037:005]
Lord of the heavens and
of the earth and all between them,
and Lord of every point at
the rising of the sun!
المشارق
37:5 رب السماوات والارض ومابينهما ورب المشارق
Please visit:
There are multiple Miracles in this Noble Verse 37:5:
(a)- Allah Almighty is the LORD of every sunrise point in the
entire Universe.
(b)- This means that every plant has sunrises points.
(c)- All plants to humans are spherical. Our moon is spherical.
Our planets that our ancient world knew such as
VENUS and
others were known to be spherical.
(d)- The sunrise points on those spherical planets clearly indicate
that Allah Almighty knew about SUNRISES AND SUNSETS on spherical
planets in the Universe.
(e)- Earth was mentioned in this Noble Verse. This means that the
SUNRISE POINTS also include the ones on earth, like all of those on
all of the
SPHERICAL PLANETS.
(f)- Allah Almighty clearly mentioned in other Noble Verses that
the earth is:
1- Spherical
2- Is traveling in space.
3- Is rotating around itself.
4- Is speeding in space.
Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm.
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From
http://aqtthq.blogspot.com.es/2016/12/how-can-you-fast-in-poles-if-sunrise-to.html:
How can you fast in the
poles if sunrise to sunset takes months? Also how do you pray if
there is a sunrise and sunset that takes 6 months?
2:185 The month of Ramadhan is
that in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind and
clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever witnesses
among you the month, then he should fast in it; and whoever
is ill or on a journey - then prescribed
number of other days.
Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and
that you complete the period and to magnify Allah for that [to]
which He has guided you; and that you may be grateful.
(If the month is witnessed by a Muslim
community, then all of the Muslims should fast)(Just an
interpretation: Humans are essentially tropical, clothing and
shelters are essential to survive in extreme cold conditions. The
Poles are not a good place to settle. You are not obligated to fast
on a journey to the Poles)(Allah knows best)
2:183-184 O you who believe,
fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before
you, so that you may become righteous. Days numbered. So whoever
among you is sick or on a journey, then a
prescribed number of days,
other. And upon those who can afford it, a ransom of feeding a poor.
And whoever volunteers good then it is better for him. And if you
fast, it is better for you, if you know.
(Fasting a
number of days, not months)(Allah knows best)
2:125 And when We made the
House a place of return for mankind and security and "Take the
standing place of Abraham, as a place of prayer." And We
made a covenant with Abraham and Ishmael, "Purify My House for those
who circumambulate, and those who seclude themselves for devotion
and prayer and those who bow down and those who prostrate."
(Designated
places for prayer)(Allah knows best)
7:29 Say, "My Lord has ordered
justice, and set your faces
at every masjid
and invoke Him (being) sincere to Him in religion. As He originated
you, (so) will you return."
(Designated
places for prayer)(Allah knows best)
2:114 And who is more unjust
than one who prevents His name from being mentioned in the
masajid of Allah, and strives for their destruction? Those,
it is not for them that they enter them except (like) those in fear.
For them, there is disgrace in the world and a great punishment in
the Hereafter.
4:103 Then when you have
finished the prayer, then remember Allah standing, and sitting, and
on your sides. But when you are secure, then establish prayer.
Indeed, prayer is prescribed for the believers
at fixed times.
11:114 And establish the
prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the
night. Indeed, the good deeds remove the evil deeds. That is
a reminder for those who remember.
(In the Poles,
the sun reaches its highest point (noon) and lowest points (2 ends
of the day). So this Verse doesn't say that there must be a sunrise
or sunset for prayer)(Allah knows best)
73:1-6 O you who wraps
himself, stand in the night, except for a little, half of it,
or lessen from it a little, Or add to it, and recite the
Qur'an with measured rhythmic recitation. Indeed, We will cast upon
you a heavy Word. Indeed, the rising at the night is very hard and
most potent and more suitable for Word.
(In regard to
six months night, according to this verse, any time during the night
can be fixed for prayer)(Allah knows best) |
(g)-
Did you know that the Glorious
Quran
declares
that the earth is:
2- Allah Almighty Said that whoever WITNESSES the
Month of Ramadan, then let him fast It:
[002:185]
Ramadan is the month
during which the Quran was revealed, providing guidance for the
people, clear teachings, and the statute book.
Those of you who witness this month shall fast
therein. Those who are ill or traveling may
substitute the same number of other days. GOD wishes for you
convenience, not hardship, that you may fulfill your obligations,
and to glorify GOD for guiding you, and to express your
appreciation.
So if the Holy Month is Witnessed by a Muslim Community, then all of
the Muslims should Fast.
3- Allah Almighty Said that when we're in doubt
about the right direction, wherever we set our faces for Prayer,
we'll find Allah Almighty.
[002:115]
To God belongeth the
east المشرق
and the west
المغرب; therefore
whithersoever ye turn your selves to pray, there is the face of God;
for God is omnipresent and omniscient.
2:115 ولله المشرق والمغرب فاينما تولوا فثم وجه الله ان الله واسع
عليم
Even in the singular East and West, the Noble Verse is clearly
speaking about the EASTS AND WESTS in
Its Context, since it's talking about
a random EAST AND WEST. The proof
for this is the "al" (the) definite article, which in this context
clearly means that whichever EAST and WEST the Muslim may be in, in
that EAST and that WEST he will still
find the Face of Allah Almighty. The "al" (the)
definite article here in this context is referring to that
particular point that the Muslim may be in. It's like saying:
"There
are stores. Mclinkin94 is in a store.
The store that Mclinkin94 may be
in (no one knows where Mclinkin94 is) is still acceptable."
Here "the store" could be any of the stores,
indicating that all
of the stores are equally the same; that
regardless of which store brother Mclinkin94 may be in, that store
would still be ok.
Given all of this, it clearly appears to me that the Muslim
Community in such places where sunrise and sunset take months can
and should do one of the following:
1- Set their time on the time of the nearest land
that gets proper sunrise and sunset.
2- Set their own time and follow the best
estimation for both Prayer and Fasting times.
3- Follow Mecca's time, since it's the Original
Source.
4- And in any case, they should pray toward Mecca.
And Allah Almighty Knows best. But one fact should be known is that
the Holy Quran did mention the sunrises and sunsets on earth. And
Allah Almighty did speak about visually witnessing the Month of
Ramadan for fasting. So while Allah Almighty may not have directly
spoken about the North and South Poles on earth, but the Glorious
Quran didn't negate their existence either. After Allah Almighty
did clearly and indisputably say about earth that it is:
1- Spherical
2- Is traveling in space.
3- Is rotating around itself.
4- Is speeding in space.
Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm.
Also the moon's orbit around earth is S-Shaped:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm.
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Moon
Orbit Miracle:
This is
the short version of the long article below.
Allah Almighty said this about the moon's
S-shaped orbit around the earth:
36:39
والقمر قدرناه منازل حتى عاد
كالعرجون
القديم
"And
We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date
branch
كالعرجون
القديم. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon
nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere.
(Qur'an, 36:39-40)"
Click on images to enlarge:
For ample more
proofs, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm
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Advise to all Muslims:
Please do not expect the Glorious Quran to mention everything about
geology or astronomy. The Holy Quran isn't a science book.
However, what you can and should and must expect from the Holy Book
is for It
to not negate or clash with
or contradict an established Scientific fact.
That you would be correct on pursuing. But to expect the Holy Quran
to mention the North and South poles just wouldn't be fair nor
right. The points that I mentioned above clearly demonstrate that
Allah Almighty's claims about earth never negated nor are they in
any contradiction with the fact that earth has North and South
Poles, and that the days and nights do take much longer in those
places.
The Holy Quran is crystal clear about the earth having SUNRISES and
SUNSETS (plural for both). To those who believed that earth was
flat, and
had one fixed point for sunrise and one fixed
point for sunset, this statement from Allah
Almighty is a contradiction to their false beliefs.
The doomed-to-Hell Islam-hating infidels have nothing on Islam. All
Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Round 2:
Question:
Thank you brother Osama :) But
there still is an issue:
You could also raise the issue that perhaps the author of the Quran
did not know that on the poles sunrise to sunset could last 6+
months and therefore didn't mention it. Although it is true that you
could sync the times in the North pole and South pole to match
prayer times of a close city, the Quran did not say what we are
supposed to do if sunrise to sunset lasts entire months.
This makes
it seem like the author of the Quran was unaware of such a phenomena
of sunrise to sunset taking entire months.
That means if we are to observe Ramadan in the poles, we would die.
That means we don't have to pray 5 times a day in the poles?
Answer:
As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,
Yes, the Holy Quran does say that we can sync up with
the nearest location that has the proper day and night cycles for
Prayer and Fasting Timings. Here is what the Holy Quran Says:
1-
Muslims are one Ummah (امة nation):
[003:110] Ye
are the best of peoples امة,
evolved for mankind, enjoining
what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in God.
If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them:
among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted
transgressors.
[002:143] Thus,
have We made of you an Ummat امة justly
balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the
Apostle a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to
which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Apostle
from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it
was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). And never
would God Make your faith of no effect. For God is to all people
Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful.
[021:092] Verily,
this brotherhood امتكم of
yours is a single brotherhood امة,
and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore serve Me (and no other).
2-
All land belongs to Allah Almighty. And if
a Muslim is living in a land that is causing him much fitnah (trials,
unstable situations), then the Muslim is required to seek better
solutions when he could:
[004:097] There
are those who have wrought a wrong upon themselves. The angels (of
death), would take possession of their souls and ask, "What was
wrong with you?" They would answer, "We were too weak and oppressed
in the land!" The angels will say, "Wasn't
the land of Allah vast and spacious enough, so you could emigrate
(and seek refuge) elsewhere?" Such ones would have
an abode in hell. What a despicable destination!
[004:098] Except
for the men, women and children who are weak and oppressed! They
are unable to muster the means (to migrate), and
(therefore) find no way out.
Now, while this Noble Verse is speaking about the
Muslims who were suffering oppression from the disbelievers, but it
would certainly apply today as follows:
1- Either physically migrate from the land that
doesn't have proper cycles of days and nights.
2- Or set your time (migrate
your time) to match a Muslim city or country that
has the proper timing. I personally vote for going with the nearest
geographical city or country that has the normal day and night
cycles, preferably directly south or north of you, which is
on the same vertical time zone and line
as you (see image below for why). But other
Muslims also say go with Mecca's timing. Either way is perfectly
fine.
3- Noble
Verse 4:98 clearly
gives you the permission to stay in the land that doesn't have
proper day and night cycles, especially when our Muslim countries
are mostly corrupt today (this
is also an Islamic End of Time Prophecy).
So the person would need to set their Prayer and Fasting times to a
Muslim city that does have the proper times, and insha'Allah
everything will be fine.
And to the reader, please visit my previous
post,
above, to see the Glorious Quran's Scientific Miracles that are
directly related to this topic:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1379.msg5282.html#msg5282
And last and not least, I invite the reader to visit
the following
link to
see the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran in:
1- STUNNING Numerical
Miracles.
2- Embryology.
3- Biology.
4- Astronomy.
5- Geology.
6- Mathematics
7- Archeology.
8- Prophecies.
Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
And again,
Prophet Muhammad, peace be
upon him, commanded the Muslims to make an estimate about the time
of Prayer if they're not sure: When
it is not possible to determine time for Prayer and Fasting, Muslims
must
اقْدُرُوا لَهُ قَدْرَهُ
(make an estimate of
time) instead:
"....Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: No, but
you must make an estimate of time اقْدُرُوا لَهُ قَدْرَهُ
(and then observe prayer)...." (Sahih
Muslim Book 41, Number 7015, and
Sunan Abu Dawud, Hadith 4321)
"...Thereupon he said, "No, but you must
make an estimate of time and then offer Salat
(Prayer).''..." (Source
1,2)
Time on Earth is
determined vertically:
Another point worth mentioning is
that the time on earth, as we know it, is determined vertically.
This means that whether you're all the way north or all the way
south, if you're on the same vertical
time line, then time will be the same for you. This
is why I said above that it's best then to set your Prayer and
fasting times on the time of the city that is directly south or
north of you,
and is
on the same vertical time zone and line as you:
(click
to enlarge)
Advise to all Muslims:
Like I said in my
previous post,
please do not expect the Glorious Quran to mention everything about
geology or astronomy. The Holy Quran isn't a science book.
However, what you can and should and must expect from the Holy Book
is for It to
not negate or clash with or contradict an established Scientific
fact.
That you would be correct on pursuing. But to expect the Holy Quran
to mention the North and South poles just wouldn't be fair nor
right. The points that I mentioned above, in this post and in the
previous one, clearly demonstrate that Allah Almighty's claims about
earth never negated nor are they in any contradiction with the fact
that earth has North and South Poles, and that the days and nights
do take much longer in those places.
The Holy Quran is crystal clear about the earth being
Spherical, and having SUNRISES
and SUNSETS (plural
for both).
Allah Almighty Said about the earth that is:
1- Spherical
2- Is traveling in space.
3- Is rotating around itself.
4- Is speeding in space.
Please visit: https://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm.
Also the moon's orbit around earth is S-Shaped: https://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm.
To those who believed that earth was flat, and had
one fixed point for sunrise and one fixed point for sunset,
this statement from Allah Almighty is a contradiction to their false
beliefs.
The doomed-to-Hell Islam-hating infidels have nothing
on Islam. All Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty
Alone.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Round 3:
Question
Thank you brother Osama!
I'm having an issue with this point. It appears as if the verses you
posted were talking about
physically migrating rather than migrating your time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). Is
there any indication that it refers to migrating the time? I don't
see it yet, maybe it is the Arabic.
This would be a convincing point if it refers to migrating the time
Answer:
As'salamu Alaikum dear
brother Mclinkin94,
"Migrating your time" was probably a
bad choice of words from me, because you'd be on the same vertical
time line as any city that has normal day and night cycles, as I
already explained. So apologies for this confusing term. What I
meant by it was to adjust
yourself to the time of the nearest city that is on your same
vertical timeline and has normal day and night cycles. You
wouldn't need to migrate. You'll just have to adjust yourself to
the nearest city to you, either north or south of you, and set your
"days" and "nights" according to them, and work with their timings.
And by the way, in those countries, they
do exactly that. When they have six months of night
or day, for example, they wouldn't have to worry about a thing,
since they have already adjusted themselves to the normal cycles'
hours, and work with the rest of the country's times. So if your
job is 8:00 am to 5:00 pm Monday thru Friday,
then you would adjust yourself to work during those hours regardless
whether it is night or day at where you live. So for Prayer and
Fasting, you should do the same.
And I repeat my advise to you and to all Muslims:
Advise to all Muslims:
Please do not expect the Glorious Quran to mention everything about
geology or astronomy. The Holy Quran isn't a science book.
However, what you can and should and must expect from the Holy Book
is for It
to not negate or clash with
or contradict an established Scientific fact.
That you would be correct on pursuing. But to expect the Holy Quran
to mention the North and South poles just wouldn't be fair nor
right. The points that I mentioned above clearly demonstrate that
Allah Almighty's claims about earth never negated nor are they in
any contradiction with the fact that earth has North and South
Poles, and that the days and nights do take much longer in those
places.
The Holy Quran is crystal clear about the earth having SUNRISES and
SUNSETS (plural for both). To those who believed that earth was
flat, and
had one fixed point for sunrise and one fixed
point for sunset, this statement from Allah
Almighty is a contradiction to their false beliefs.
The doomed-to-Hell Islam-hating infidels have nothing on Islam. All
Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Round 4:
Question:
But,
this then leads to the initial problem that the Quran
did not state what to do when sunrise/sunset
lasts 6 months. In a sense, the skeptic could rightfully
argue that this implies that the author
was
unaware of such an event.
My personal counter-argument is that the Quran says that
you are supposed to wash your hands. But, what
if you don't have hands? Does it mean that the Author of
the Quran didn't think you can live without your hands. Its obvious
what you are supposed to do. :)
But, it would be more beneficial to deal with the skeptics if we
have a clear Quranic verse that describes what to do in an event of
prolonged sunrise/sunsett.
Perhaps the Quran does refer to it. Do you know of any verses?
Sorry for this trouble.
Answer #1:
As'salamu Alaikum dear
brother,
In Islam, we have the Witness Law for both Prayers and Fasting.
This is where we follow the determined time even if we ourselves
can't spot it in the sky due to cloudy days or different weathers.
We'd still follow the exact times if
other Muslims witnessed. Here are two main points
that you raise and my responses to them, akhi:
Your first main point: You are forcing the rule
that the Holy Quran should've mentioned the North and South Poles.
My response: I have already thoroughly
demonstrated above how Allah Almighty Said that the earth is
Spherical, is traveling in space, is rotating around its own axle,
and does have many Sunrise and Sunset points. So the North and
South Poles are indirectly mentioned.
Middle Nation
Quran-Miracle.
Allah Almighty made the Arabs a
"Middle Nation" (Quran
2:143). Noble Chapter
2 is
made of 286
Noble Verses. Noble Verse
143 is in the exact Middle of
286 (2 X 143 = 286).
The article
also contains a small clip from an atheist who tried to refute the Glorious Quran.
He ended up mathematically proving that the
perfect
center (golden ratio's
latitude and longitude perfect
point) of the entire earth is in the center of Arabia (276 kilometers east of Mecca)
using
Google
Earth.
The Numerical and Geographic Divine
Miracle is clear, especially that we
have
thousands of them
[2]
in the Glorious Quran. So this
is no mere coincidence:
Since Allah Almighty has a Divine
Purpose and Design to make Arabia
the center of the world, and made
this both a
Numerical
and Geological Miracle,
then we can certainly use Arabia's,
- preferably city of Mecca's, -
determined times, as the
point
of reference
in places where we are unable to
visually determine the sunrise and
sunset's proper timings, whether
here on earth or
on Mars.
Noble Verse
2:143 above even says this:
[002:143]
Thus We
appointed you a midmost nation that
you might
be witnesses to
the people,..
So here Arabia can certainly witness
the times for praying and fasting
for those who are unable to
determine them on their own.
During primitive times, Muslims
could just make time estimates and
pray and fast using their honest
estimations:
[073:020]
.....But God
doth appoint night and day in due
measure He knoweth that
ye are unable
to keep count thereof....
But since today we are
technologically advanced, and we
have fulfilled the penetrating space
Quranic Prophecy, then using
technology and match the time to
Mecca is the best.
So could we apply this Noble Verse to the exceptional situations in
the North and South Poles? I say yes. After all, the
Holy Quran is
a Scientific Miracle, and is Divine from Allah
Almighty. So this shouldn't be something odd or off.
Think this is just too
Ridiculous and Impossible?
1- Did not Allah Almighty also Say that the
Dead Sea area is the lowest land on earth? And
this had been scientifically proven to be STUNNINGLY TRUE!
Visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/lowest_land_miracle.htm
2- Did not Allah Almighty make ample Geographically and other Scientifically Miraculous Statements in the Holy Quran that were
confirmed to be true today? Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/detailed_meanings_of_scientific_words_in_verses.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
So why can't it be a fulfilled Divine Prophecy then?
So why can't Noble Verse
2:143 be another fulfilled Divine Prophecy and Miracle then?
It is:
1- A Prophecy because we Muslims are indeed today
concentrated in the Middle of the Earth.
2- A Miracle, because it is another True Statement
from the Divine Book, the Holy Quran.
Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac3.htm#prophecies
I am telling you brother, the doomed-to-Hell infidels have nothing
on Islam.
Your second main point: You are forcing the rule
that if one doesn't for example have daylight then he/she shouldn't
pray and fast according to the Holy Quran then, since they can't
determine the times through the day and night cycles.
My response: Again, we have the Witness Rule in
Islam. As I already demonstrated from the Holy Quran that all land
belongs to Allah Almighty. So you're already part of the nearby
land that already has the normal day and night cycles, and is on the
same vertical timeline and zone as you are. So here, the Witness
Rule would apply.
And I again repeat my advise to you and to all Muslims:
Advise to all Muslims:
Like I said in
my previous post, please do not expect the Glorious Quran to
mention everything about geology or astronomy. The Holy Quran isn't
a science book. However, what you can and should and must expect
from the Holy Book is for It to not
negate or clash with or contradict an established Scientific fact.
That you would be correct on pursuing. But to expect the Holy Quran
to mention the North and South poles just wouldn't be fair nor
right. The points that I mentioned above, in this post and in the
previous one, clearly demonstrate that Allah Almighty's claims about
earth never negated nor are they in any contradiction with the fact
that earth has North and South Poles, and that the days and nights
do take much longer in those places.
The Holy Quran is crystal clear about the earth being Spherical, and
having
SUNRISES and SUNSETS (plural for both). Allah
Almighty Said about the earth that is:
1- Spherical
2- Is traveling in space.
3- Is rotating around itself.
4- Is speeding in space.
Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
The sunsetless North Pole miracle in the Glorious Quran.
Also the moon's orbit around earth is S-Shaped:
www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm.
To those who believed that earth was flat, and
had one fixed point for sunrise and one
fixed point for sunset, this statement from
Allah Almighty is a contradiction to their false beliefs.
The doomed-to-Hell Islam-hating infidels have nothing on Islam. All
Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Answer #2:
As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers
and sisters,
To continue with my last reply, I would like to ask you to visit the
following links and watch the videos of the sun rises and sets in
both the North and South Pole areas:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Midnight+Sun+north&sm=12
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Midnight+Sun+south+pole&sm=3
The sun does rise and set in both the
North and South Poles
regularly and daily. It doesn't sit still in
one fixed position in the sky for months. No, it regularly moves,
and it regularly rises and sets. So Muslims living in such areas
can easily adjust to the sunrise and sunset times and determine
their Prayer and Fasting times, especially when they use the regular
times of the nearest city that is on the same Vertical Timeline as
them, and has our normal day and night cycles.
Please visit my reply above for ample more details. So there is no
paradox here. It's only the anti-Islamics who are spiritually lost
and are desperate to find anything on Islam. But as everyone sees,
the Holy Quran is a Divine Miracle, and the Holy Quran contains
ample and
Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in It. Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Round 5:
Question:
......Can you please explain more
about this witness law? The Quranic verse says in "Those of you who
witness this month shall fast therein" so it is referring to those
who witnessed it. This somewhat alludes to the point that if you
witness the month you fast and that those who haven't witnessed
wouldn't fast......
Answer: As'salamu
Alaikum dear brother Mclinkin94,
The witness Rule or Law is very simple. If a Muslim community, or
even a small group or even a single genuine Muslim, witnesses the
start of Prayer or start of the Holy Month of Ramadan, then everyone
must follow thru even if the weather is bad and time couldn't be
easily determined.
This also applies with best estimations
by the religious leaders of the community, especially under bad
weather conditions where the sun and daylight aren't clear at all.
So once the time is determined, whether by actual Witness or an
Estimation, then every Muslim must follow thru. So you can use that
Rule if you're living in lands that don't have proper day and night
cycles with other cities that have normal day and night cycles, and
are directly north or south of you
on the same vertical timeline.
Again, Prophet Muhammad, peace be
upon him, commanded the Muslims to make an estimate about the time
of Prayer if they're not sure:
"...Thereupon he said, "No, but you must
make an estimate of time and then offer Salat
(Prayer).''..." (Source
1,2)
Question:
I do agree with your response
that the Quran has alluded to those phenomenon, but the skeptic's
argument was not that the Quran was unaware of the North/South pole,
it was that the Quran was unaware of the different sunrise and
sunset times in those poles taking an entire
months and therefore did not mention what to do if you are living in
such an location.
Answer:
Not true at all, akhi. The sun
and the moon rise and set every single day on the North and South
poles everyday in the year. The only difference is that the sky is
either always bright or always dark for months long. But you do
clearly see the sun and the moon (depending whether it is bright or
dark) rise and set every single day
as the Youtube links that I gave above clearly demonstrate.
So the same 24 hours that you and I pass through during our days and
nights, are the same 24 hours that they also pass through.
They do have AM and PM times. They do have
sun rises and sun sets, and moon rises and moon sets. They do have
cycles. Why not use those? After all, Allah Almighty is the
"LORD
of all of the SUNRISES and SUNSETS"
[1]
on earth, as He the Almighty Said in the Holy Quran,
as I've shown in the posts above. And if even if we didn't want
to use the sun and moon rises and sets in our current lands, we
could always revert back to using the nearest city's times, which
would be the same times as you'd be using if you were in either the
North or South Poles anyway.
If I were living in such lands, I would use the Prayer and Fasting
Times of the nearest city that is on the same Vertical Timeline as
my city is on. This way, I would true to the Holy Quran in every
way. After all, all land is one, and it belongs to Allah Almighty
as I also clearly demonstrated
from the Holy Quran in the previous posts. So my land would be
nothing but an extension of the land and is part of the land. I
would use the Witness Law and apply it. Islam did cover it.
And I again repeat my advise to you, dear brother, and to all
Muslims:
Advise to all Muslims:
Like I said in
my previous post, please do not expect the Glorious Quran to
mention everything about geology or astronomy. The Holy Quran isn't
a science book. However, what you can and should and must expect
from the Holy Book is for It to not
negate or clash with or contradict an established Scientific fact.
That you would be correct on pursuing. But to expect the Holy Quran
to mention the North and South poles just wouldn't be fair nor
right. The points that I mentioned above, in this post and in the
previous one, clearly demonstrate that Allah Almighty's claims about
earth never negated nor are they in any contradiction with the fact
that earth has North and South Poles, and that the days and nights
do take much longer in those places.
The Holy Quran is crystal clear about the earth being Spherical, and
having
SUNRISES and SUNSETS (plural for both). Allah
Almighty Said about the earth that is:
1- Spherical
2- Is traveling in space.
3- Is rotating around itself.
4- Is speeding in space.
Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
The sunsetless North Pole miracle in the Glorious Quran.
Also the moon's orbit around earth is S-Shaped:
www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm.
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Moon
Orbit Miracle:
This is
the short version of the long article below.
Allah Almighty said this about the moon's
S-shaped orbit around the earth:
36:39
والقمر قدرناه منازل حتى عاد
كالعرجون
القديم
"And
We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date
branch
كالعرجون
القديم. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon
nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere.
(Qur'an, 36:39-40)"
Click on images to enlarge:
For ample more
proofs, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm
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To those who believed that earth was flat, and
had one fixed point for sunrise and one
fixed point for sunset, this statement from
Allah Almighty is a contradiction to their false beliefs.
The doomed-to-Hell Islam-hating infidels have nothing on Islam. All
Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Round 6:
Question:
Asalumu Alaikum brother Osama.
Thank you very much for your responses!
Is there any chance that you could explain the Quranic exegesis for
this point? I don't see the Quran giving this witness rule, it
appears that the Quran says if any of us witness it then we should
fast it rather then the entirety of Muslims.
As far as the Muslims being witnesses for all nations, I think these
verses are referring to Muslims being witnesses on the day of
resurrection rather than witnessing when Ramadan starts.
Answer: Wa Alaikum
As'salam dear brother Mclinkin94,
The Witness system is deeply rooted in Islam, in both the Glorious
Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Here
are some of the Noble Verses:
[002:204] Among
people are the likes of the ones whose suave talk about this world
charms and astounds you. He (professes good intentions and)
invokes Allah as the witness over what exists
in his heart. But (in reality) he is the most dogged and quarrelsome
opponent.
[002:282] Oh you
who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed term, reduce it to
writing. Let a scribe record the terms in a fair manner. The scribe
whom Allah has taught to write should not refuse to write. He should
record (the transaction). The one who incurs the debt should spell
out the terms.
He should fear Allah and not omit anything.
If the borrower lacks understanding, or is feeble (minded), or is
otherwise unable to dictate, then his guardian should dictate (the
conditions of the loan) in a fair manner. Call upon two of your men
to act as witnesses (to the contract). Should
two men not be available (to act as witnesses), then take one man
and two women _ if one of them errs, the other would remind her
(women back then were
not specialized in financial and mathematical transactions. Men
were far more experienced and superior in knowledge) _ that
are
acceptable to you as witnesses.
The witnesses should not refuse if called upon to testify. Do not
neglect to write down (all) the (specific) terms (and provisions) of
the contract, be they small or big. That, according to Allah is a
more reliable evidence, and more likely to dispel doubts (and
suspicions). You bear no sin if you fail to record the on-the-spot
exchange of goods for cash, that goes on between you (all the time).
But, take witnesses when you enter into a commercial contract. Do
not harass or harm the scribe or the witnesses. It would be wicked
and immoral for you to do so. Fear Allah! (Of course) Allah teaches
you (righteousness). Allah has full knowledge of every single thing!
[003:053] "Our
Lord, we believe in that which You have revealed, and we follow the
messenger. So enroll us among those
who bear witness (to the truth)."
[005:107] Later,
if it comes to light that the two witnesses merit (the suspicion of)
sin, then let two others from among the rightful heirs (of the
deceased) take the place of the
earlier witnesses. Let them swear by Allah
(saying), "Our testimony is truer and more valid than their
testimony, and we do not stray beyond the bounds (of truth). Else,
we would be the evil doers."
[006:150] Say, "Present
your witnesses! Could anyone testify that it is
Allah Who has forbidden (all) this?" Even if they do testify
(falsely), don't you bear witness with them. Do not follow the whims
and wishes of those who reject Our revelations _ those who do not
believe in the life-to-come, and deem others as being equal to their
Lord.
(I will provide more Noble Verses. I put those together quickly. I
will elaborate on this point more by updating this post with move
Noble Verses and point, Insha'Allah)
There are many other Noble Verses that speak about producing
genuine Witness and relying on genuine Witness.
If a Muslim or a community of Muslims Witnesses the time for Prayer
or Fasting, then it becomes obligatory upon the others to follow.
Question:
Moon
rise and moon set wouldn't be considered a sunrise/sunset for 6
months as per Quran. It is not about whether you
would be able to tell times at the poles :), we could already do
that with our modern day time-keeping. Perhaps Allah knew that by
going to the north/south pole and living there we would need
technology to get there and having such technology would come with
time-keeping and that Muslims could easily adapt by common sense
therefore there is no reason to mention this in the Quran and
confuse 7th century people about places where sunrise/sunset lasts 6
months. Plus this also serves as a test of faith for Muslims.
Answer:
Have you read the new
points and the Noble Verse that I added to this reply:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1379.msg5282.html#msg5282
Your points are thoroughly responded to there. The so many
different SUNRISES and SUNSETS that Allah Almighty has Created in
the Universe, and over all of the planets including our planet
earth, since it was mentioned in the same Noble Verse, clearly prove
that you are to work with the Sunrise
and Sunset that is given to you. Prayer and
Fasting are obligatory upon all Muslims. So Muslims would have to
figure out the times for Praying and Fasting no mater which SUNRISE
and SUNSET points they may be in.
So as to your quote above
"Moon rise and moon
set wouldn't be considered a sunrise/sunset for 6 months as per
Quran", that is not true at all. The Holy Quran did say that
this is a different sunrise and sunset. Therefore, you would have
to figure out your times during the day:
1- When is your morning (Fajr, Subh).
2- When is noon (Thuhur).
3- When is your Asr (after noon or midday).
4- When is your maghrib (evening).
5- When is your Isha (night).
The Fajr and Subh, Thuhur, Asr, Maghrib
and Isha are all Islamic
time-points for Prayer, and also for determining Fasting. So if you
live in a land that has a
different type of
SUNRISE and SUNSET, then you'll have to figure out those
times based on the daily rises and settings of that land, whether it
is from the sun or the moon.
Question:
But with all of that aside, the
issue is at the poles there aren't defined sunrises and sunsets or
else you would be fasting for an entire 6 months or waiting 6 months
to pray the Fajr prayer. A moon rise does not fit the definition of
a Quranic sunrise
Answer: I already
answered this above.
OPEN CHALLENGE TO ALL:
Building
Human Colonies on Mars, and the Sunrise and Sunset Issues
there:
Let me ask you and ask every Muslim and skeptic this question:
Since we today could live to see the day where humans will establish
a
colony on planet Mars,
then could you honestly sit here brother Mclinkin94 and say that the
Noble Verses that spoke about Allah Almighty is the
LORD OF ALL OF THE
SUNRISES AND SUNSETS on all of the planets in the
Universe, and all of the points on earth, wouldn't apply to life on
Mars? In other words, could not the humans there now figure out the proper
times for Fasting and Prayer on Mars using the day and night cycles
there, and to the best of their calculations and estimations? Did
not Allah Almighty also Say the following Noble Verses:
[010:005]
He is the One who
rendered the sun radiant, and the moon a light, and He designed its
phases that you may learn to count
the years and to calculate.
GOD did not create all this, except for a specific purpose. He
explains the revelations for people who know.
[017:012]
We rendered the night
and the day two signs. We made the night dark, and the day lighted,
that you may seek provisions from your Lord therein. This also
establishes for you a timing system,
and the means of calculation.
We thus explain everything in detail.
So why can't we calculate the times for Fasting and Prayers when it
is difficult for us to do it with normal Day and Night Cycles?
Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/lunar_calendar_miracle.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Prophecy of Traveling to Space:
Furthermore, please visit the following links about future space
travel:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/precise_prophecy_about_traveling_up_to_space_in_noble_quran.mp4
(By Sheikh Yusuf Estes)
https://www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_in_noble_quran.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_and_lack_of_oxygen.mp3
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
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Noble Verse(s) 55:33 |
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Yusuf Ali: [055:033] O ye assembly of Jinns and
men! If it be ye can
pass beyond the
zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye!
not without authority shall ye be able to pass!
Arabic (Read from right to left. Also, all png
image files: [1]
[2]. Quran Moral Code (100s of them)]):
55:33 يامعشر
الجن والانس ان استطعتم ان
تنفذوا من اقطار السماوات والارض
فانفذوا لاتنفذون الا بسلطان |
So if mankind creates colonies on Mars, then how
would they determine the timings for Praying and Fasting?
Allah Almighty answered it. He Said that He designed the
phases of the sun and the moon for us to help us with our
time and day calculations:
[010:005]
He is the One who
rendered the sun radiant, and the moon a light, and He designed its
phases that you may learn to count
the years and to calculate.
GOD did not create all this, except for a specific purpose. He
explains the revelations for people who know.
[017:012]
We rendered the night
and the day two signs. We made the night dark, and the day lighted,
that you may seek provisions from your Lord therein. This also
establishes for you a timing system,
and the means of calculation.
We thus explain everything in detail.
So why can't we calculate the times for Fasting and Prayers when it
is difficult for us to do it with normal Day and Night Cycles?
Again, please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/lunar_calendar_miracle.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
I would like to renew my reminder to you and to all of the Muslims:
Advise to all Muslims:
Like I said in
my previous post, please do not expect the Glorious Quran to
mention everything about geology or astronomy. The Holy Quran isn't
a science book. However, what you can and should and must expect
from the Holy Book is for It to not
negate or clash with or contradict an established Scientific fact.
That you would be correct on pursuing. But to expect the Holy Quran
to mention the North and South poles just wouldn't be fair nor
right. The points that I mentioned above, in this post and in the
previous one, clearly demonstrate that Allah Almighty's claims about
earth never negated nor are they in any contradiction with the fact
that earth has North and South Poles, and that the days and nights
do take much longer in those places.
The Holy Quran is crystal clear about the earth being Spherical, and
having
SUNRISES and SUNSETS (plural for both). Allah
Almighty Said about the earth that is:
1- Spherical
2- Is traveling in space.
3- Is rotating around itself.
4- Is speeding in space.
Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
The sunsetless North Pole miracle in the Glorious Quran.
Also the moon's orbit around earth is S-Shaped:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm.
|
Moon
Orbit Miracle:
This is
the short version of the long article below.
Allah Almighty said this about the moon's
S-shaped orbit around the earth:
36:39
والقمر قدرناه منازل حتى عاد
كالعرجون
القديم
"And
We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date
branch
كالعرجون
القديم. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon
nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere.
(Qur'an, 36:39-40)"
Click on images to enlarge:
For ample more
proofs, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/moon_orbit_miracle.htm
|
To those who believed that earth was flat, and
had one fixed point for sunrise and one
fixed point for sunset, this statement from
Allah Almighty is a contradiction to their false beliefs.
The doomed-to-Hell Islam-hating infidels have nothing on Islam. All
Praise and Thanks and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone.
Please visit:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Answer #2: As'salamu
Alaikum everyone,
The following
link on Youtube
will demonstrate the earth's rotation around the sun, and the four
seasons, and the angles of the earth, and how the sun's rays are
distributed on earth, and how much light both the North and South
poles get during the year, and at which times of the year:
Mechanism of the
Seasons.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
We can, but the issue is, it
appears as if we have to follow the prayer times AT mecca for
the varying sunrises and sunsets of the worlds. Allah is the
lord of the sunrises and sunsets of the worlds, but perhaps he
made us pray at THE sunrise and sunset AT mecca.
As'salamu Alaikum dear
brother,
Not Mecca's time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus). You follow the vertical time that you are on.
And today, with simple Google search, you find exactly when Prayer
and Fasting times occur.
As to the Witness
System, I already elaborated on it in great details above, akhi.
Colonizing Mars:
We've seen above the Glorious
Quran's Prophecy about man will eventually penetrate space. Today,
man is speaking about colonizing planet Mars. Certainly, the Prayer
and Fasting times there would have to be estimated based on what the
population reckons the times to be.
Think about it. Allah Almighty told us that we will penetrate space,
and we will also see all of His Miracles that testify to the Truth
of the Glorious Quran's Divine claims:
https://www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/precise_prophecy_about_traveling_up_to_space_in_noble_quran.mp4
(By Sheikh Yusuf Estes)
https://www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_in_noble_quran.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/space_pressure_and_lack_of_oxygen.mp3
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
Ok, so how will we then
calculate/reckon Fasting and Praying on other planets? It will have
to be done through reasonable calculations based on either the
sunrises and sets of those planets, or by calculating and setting
fixed times. Similarly,
our North and South Poles' Prayer and Fasting time determination are
done based on fixing certain times, usually based on the near by
lands' sunrise and sunset cycles, and their vertical time zones.
I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah |
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