Rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's article The Jewish Messiah And The Prophet of Islam

Quran's STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]

Allah Almighty also promised in several Divine Prophecies that He will show the Glorious Quran's Miracles to mankind:

1- The root letters for "message" and all of its derivatives occur 513 times throughout the Glorious Quran. Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the Prophets' and Messengers' actual names (Muhammad, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc....) were also all mentioned 513 times in the Glorious Quran. The detailed breakdown of all of this is thoroughly listed here. This Miracle is covered in 100s (hundreds) of Noble Verses.

2- Allah Almighty said that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years. Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah (chapter Noah) is exactly written in 950 Letters. You can thoroughly see the accurate count in the scanned images.

Coincidence? See 1,000s of examples [1]. Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.

Islam also thoroughly rejects as man-made lies the Trinity and Crucifixion [2]. Jesus was also thoroughly called slave of GOD [1] in both the OT and NT.

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Rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's article

The Jewish Messiah And The Prophet of Islam

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He Wrote

In this section of our Christian-Islamic studies, it will be our specific goal to contrast the Jesus of the Holy Bible with Isa (i.e. Jesus) of the Quran. This will be done in order to set forth both the similarities and the differences within the Bible and the Quran on the person of Jesus Christ.

We hope to proceed from there and further contrast the life of Christ with that of the Muslim Prophet, Muhammad ibn Abdullah. Our reason for making such a comparison is the Muslim assertion that in Muhammad one finds a perfect example of morality and virtue, making it incumbent on all mankind to imitate him as he is the last and the greatest prophet.

To the Christian, it is Christ who is the standard of moral and spiritual perfection. Hence, all who claim to be prophets and messengers appearing after him, must stand in his glorious light and pass or at least match the standards he has set.

Due to these preceding factors we felt that an examination of the lives of both these men was indeed necessary, in order to reach a conclusion regarding the question of which man should truly be set forth as a role model for all mankind.

With this in mind, we proceed to our investigation in the hopes that all who read this paper will do so with an open and inquisitive mind.

My Response

I find it very funny, that you a Christian missionary can actually be able to objectively contrast the lives of Jesus and Muhamad. I find it funny that many other Christians also attempt to do so. The fact is just like your brethren, you are biased when it comes to comparing both of them, and the main goal for you is to simply attack the prophet, I have read many comparisen and contrasts between Muhamamd and Jesus by Christians and was often amazed by the huge biasness in the articles.

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The Annunciation Of Christ

Quran:

Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee - chosen thee above the women of all nations." S. 3:42

(Note - Mary is the only woman mentioned by name in the Quran and is the only woman to have a whole chapter named in her honor, Surat Al-Maryam - "The chapter of Mary".)

The Quran also declares that she is preferred over all women of creation. Although the Quran highly honors Mary the mother of Christ, it does not provide the reader with a reason for such a high esteem.

"Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him: his name will be the Messiah Jesus, The son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the hereafter and of those nearest to Allah.." She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: when He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'be; and it is!' " S. 3:45,47.

These passages confirm that Jesus is 1) Al Masih, the Messiah, 2) virgin born, 3) Kalimat Minhu - a word from God and one of those nearest to God.

Before elaborating on these points, a final passage will be quoted in order to provide further insight into the person of Jesus Christ.

Relate in the book (the story of) Mary... She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them: then we sent to her our angel (Ruh - spirit) and he appeared before her as a man in all respects... He said: "Mary! I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy (i.e. faultless) son (Ghulamin Zakiyyan)." She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?" He said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for me: and (we wish) to appoint him as a sign (ayat) unto men (alamin) and a mercy from us: It is a matter (so) decreed." S. 19:16, 17, 19-21.

These verses further establish the fact that Jesus is 4) faultless and 5) a sign from God to the entire world, not merely to the Israelites. To summarize, we find that Jesus is:

The Messiah

Virgin born son of Mary

The word of God

Sinless

A sign and mercy unto mankind.

There are common Islamic objections to the ascribed attributes of Christ, objections which are nothing but attempts to diminish the uniqueness of Jesus the Messiah in the Quran. In this essay, we will attempt to refute each objection point by point:

My Response

Yes I will love to see your refutations, because Shamoun will try to put his Christian theology into the Islamic concept of Jesus which is funny.

Now Jesus is indeed the Messiah, but that doesnt make him God, not at all, it is a title of honor given to Jesus.

Jesus was indeed born of a virgin birth, this was God showing his power and what he is capable of, these are his signs that he gives to us to believe in him.

Jesus is just a word of God, not THE word of God, it is different than your concept of the word of God.

Jesus is not sinless according to those passages. He is a righteous person, a holy birth, but in no way does that make him sinless. Now before venturing off into Shamouns article, I will give the Islamic conception of Jesus for all to see, I will be posting verses from the Quran which talk about Jesus, and which show that according to Islam, Jesus is no more than a prophet of God.

From Surah Al-Imran:

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YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

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YUSUFALI: "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

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YUSUFALI: She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

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YUSUFALI: "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,

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YUSUFALI: "And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

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YUSUFALI: "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

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YUSUFALI: "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"

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YUSUFALI: When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.

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YUSUFALI: "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness."

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YUSUFALI: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

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YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

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YUSUFALI: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

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YUSUFALI: "As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."

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YUSUFALI: "This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom."

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YUSUFALI: The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

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YUSUFALI: The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.

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YUSUFALI: If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"

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YUSUFALI: This is the true account: There is no god except Allah; and Allah-He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.

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YUSUFALI: But if they turn back, Allah hath full knowledge of those who do mischief.

That is what Surah 3 of the Quran says about Jesus. From those passages we see that Jesus was born by a miraculous birth. God will teach him the Torah and the Gospel, and that Jesus would talk to people in his childhood and when he reached his manhood, the event of him talking to people in his childhood is another great miracle. His mission was to bring people to God, NOT to bring people to come and worship him. God gave him great miracles, the ability to breath into an object and give it life, this was by the PERMISSION of God.

Often Christians like to bring this verse up, disregarding the context, and the context is clear, God gave this to Jesus, so hence its really God's works, not Jesus. Jesus was also able to perform other miraculous deeds. Here is what Christians conveniantly always leave out which is that God raised Jesus to himself, meaning Jesus did not die on the cross, so hence the Quran here is denying the crucifixtion and death of Jesus. Which is basically denying the entire doctrine of Christians, so hence I find it funny that Christians often bring up Jesus' miracles that are mentioned but fail to read on.

We also see God then say the similtude of Jesus is the same as Adam, an explicit verse showing that Jesus is just like any other men, God here is clearing up the lie that Jesus is God, something else the Christians conveniantly leave out. God then says that this is the TRUE account, meaning the NT version is false, meaning the NT is also corrupt according to the Quran. So hence in these passages the Quran clears up the lie that Jesus is God. The passages basically show Jesus is a man like anyone else, he is a prophet, he was born of a miraculous birth just like Isaac, and he was given miracles and that he taught the people to come to the one and true God. Refuting Christian claims that Jesus is God.

Surah 19 has some more to say on Jesus:

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YUSUFALI: Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.

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YUSUFALI: She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects

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YUSUFALI: She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."

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YUSUFALI: He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

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YUSUFALI: She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

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YUSUFALI: He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed

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YUSUFALI: So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.

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YUSUFALI: And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"

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YUSUFALI: But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;

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YUSUFALI: "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.

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YUSUFALI: "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"

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YUSUFALI: At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!

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YUSUFALI: "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"

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YUSUFALI: But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"

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YUSUFALI: He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

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YUSUFALI: "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;

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YUSUFALI: "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;

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YUSUFALI: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

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YUSUFALI: Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

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YUSUFALI: It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

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YUSUFALI: Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.

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YUSUFALI: But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!

In Surah 19 some more information is given. In this account we are told the hardship that Mary went through, and we also see how her people reacted, and the miracle of Jesus speaking when he was a baby. We also see Jesus saying he is a servant of God, and we see that he is not rude to his mother, nor arrogant. Also just like all other Muslims, he has been commanded to pray, and pay the zakah as long as he lives. Allah then goes on to stay that it is not befiting to him to have a son, he is clearing up the grave the lie about God having a son. Therefore once again an explicit verse denying the Christian version of Christ, which Christians conveniantly ofent leave out. God then warns the people who disagree. So once again from these passages we Jesus is not God, and just a servant, a prophet, and that God denies Jesus is his son. So two accounts of Jesus in the Quran, both deny the Christian claims, both EXPLICITLY deny the Christian claims.

Let me post some more verses on Jesus from the Quran:

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YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

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YUSUFALI: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

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YUSUFALI: And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

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YUSUFALI: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

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YUSUFALI: Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

Once again lots of interesting information on Jesus. The Quran explicitly denies the entire crucifixtion episode, the Quran says that Jesus was not killed, but that Allah saved him. This denies the death and resurection of Jesus, therefore denying the entire doctrine of Christianity, therefore also denying Jesus is God. So hence again, the Quran explictly denies Jesus is God, so once again Christians conveniantly leave verse 4:157 out, which also calls the Bible corrupt. The verse says anyone who believes differently, they follow nuthing but conjecture, what do the Christians follow? They follow the Bible, therefore also an explicit verse calling the Bible corrupt. The Quran goes further by telling the people of the book namely Christians to no commit excesses in the religion, meaning dont past the boundries by calling Jesus God and the son of God. The Quran says he was no more than a messenger, a word and spirit from God, a spirit from God basically means a soul sent by God which is nuthing unique. The Quran then also says Jesus is not ashamed to worship Allah neither.

More verses on Jesus from the Quran:

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YUSUFALI: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

This verse also throws out any claims on divinity on Jesus, the verse puts Jesus just like all other prophets such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses. So this verse shows that Jesus was the same, he was just a prophet like the rest.

More verses:

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YUSUFALI: And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

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YUSUFALI: "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.

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YUSUFALI: "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."

These are very interesting verses as well, in them Jesus denies in ever telling people to worship him, so hence this means Jesus is not God. Another explicit statement which Christians conveniantly leave out. Jesus also shows that he is not all powerful and can do nuthing when he tells Allah that it is him who will either punish or forgive the people. So hence Jesus denies being all powerful and denies in telling people to worship him meaning he is not God, it also shows that Jesus spoke the words and commands of God which were simply to worship one God, this can be found in Surah 3.

Some more verses:

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YUSUFALI: When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.

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YUSUFALI: "For Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord: so worship ye Him: this is a Straight Way."

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YUSUFALI: But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrong-doers, from the Penalty of a Grievous Day

Once again we see what Jesus' mission was, it was to preach about the one God, and the verses also once again deny the Christian claim when it says that sects fell into disagreement namely the Christians who believe he is God, and that he died for them. So hence again explicit verses denying that Jesus is God, another verse often conveniantly left out by Christians.

Some more verses:

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YUSUFALI: And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

This is one of the most interesting verses, here we see that Jesus spoke of Muhammad! Jesus told his people about the future prophet named Ahmed who could come after him, this not only proves Jesus is not God because Ahmed said Jesus is not God. So this is another verse that Christians conveniantly leave out, they try to insert their Christian theology by taking one verse out of context while leaving out the rest which completly crushes their case.

So to summarize the Islamic point of Jesus from the Quran we see that

1- Jesus is born of a miracle birth

2- Jesus is a prophet, the Messiah, which is a title of honor.

3- Jesus performed great miracles by the permission and help of God.

4- Jesus was able to talk to people from childhood.

5- Jesus was commanded to pray and give zakat like all Muslims.

6- Jesus' message was to bring people to the one God, he never told people to worship him.

7- Jesus denied being God, he said he never told anyone to worship him.

8- Jesus's likeness is like Adam meaning he is a man, and he is also a prophet like Abraham, Jacob etc. Meaning he is just a man, a prophet and no more.

9- The Quran warns of those who disagree and say Jesus is God and the son of God.

10- Allah denied that Jesus was his son.

11- Allah said that Jesus did not die on the cross, but that he saved him, hence denying the death and resurection of Christ and also called the bible corrupt.

12- Jesus spoke of a prophet comming after him who's name is Ahmed, this was the prophet Muhammad therefore Jesus recognized Muhammad as a true prophet of God.

13- Jesus is a Muslim.

So it is quite clear that the Quranic account on Jesus does not give any impression that he is God, this is a Christian lie and myth, they take verses out of context and quote one verse and apply Christian theology to it and leave out the rest.

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1-The Messiah

Although the Quran knows of only one Messiah namely Jesus, referring to him as such a total of eleven times, Muslims object to the uniqueness that this title implies by stating that there are many who are called messiah in the Old Testament - Tawrat, demonstrating the fact that there is absolutely no real significance in its usage.

The Hebrew word for Messiah, Mashiach, means to anoint. All prophets, priests and kings were consecrated to their respective positions by being anointed with the special oil that God commissioned the priests to prepare. (Exodus 30:22-31, 1 Samuel 10:1, 16:12-13) This would in a sense make them "messiahs". In fact, the king of Persia, Cyrus, is also called the mashiach of God in Isaiah 45:1.

Although it is quite true that many are referred to as being anointed by God, the Hebrew Scriptures point to one person in particular who was to be greater than all the rest and would ultimately be the supremely anointed one of God, more so than any other person; the Messiah, son of David:

"Why do the nations conspire, and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the Earth set themselves, and the rulers take council together, against the LORD and His Anointed (Mashiach), saying, 'Let us burst their bonds asunder, and cast their cords from us.' He who sits in the heavens laughs; The LORD has them in derision, then He will speak to them in his wrath, and terrify them in His fury, saying, 'I have set my king on Zion, my holy hill.' I will tell of the decree of the LORD; He said to me (the Messiah), 'You are my son, today I have begotten you. Ask of me and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.' Now therefore, o kings, be wise, be warned o rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, with trembling kiss His Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way; For his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him." Psalm 2:1-11

My Response

To start off, the Messiah title in the Quran is not connected to the OT. Secondly the Messiah of the NT fails the test of being the Messiah of the OT. Here are some links:

http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm

http://www.messiahtruth.com/anointed.html

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/jews-jesus/jews-jesus-index.html

http://www.karaite-korner.org/light-of-israel/how_we_know.shtml

http://members.aol.com/pagandude8/messiah.htm

So Jesus the Messiah in Islam is not connected to your theology or views.

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And,

"The LORD says to my Lord [i.e. David's sovereign]: 'sit on my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool'... The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, 'you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.'" Psalm 110:1, 4

These two passages point out the fact that the one specific Messiah predicted to come would be the Son of God, the King of all the nations and the Eternal Priest of God who sits on the right hand of majesty forever.

The fact that Jesus is the one being referred to in these passages becomes quite clear when

reading the Gospel accounts of the angel's annunciation to Mary:

"In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And he came to her and said, 'Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!' But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, 'Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his Father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of His kingdom there will be no end." Luke 1:26-33

My Response

I am glad that Shamoun shows the narrative of Jesus' birth in the chapter of Luke. I will now show the narrative of Jesus' birth in each book of the 4 gospels where you will see for your self how each one evolved on Jesus.

Starting from Matthew 1:

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Now in Matthew Jesus is just born of a miracle, Mary would give birth to a son who would be called Jesus, who save people from their sin, and this is a fullfilment of what was written that a virgin shall give birth to a child and call him immanuel. So there is nuthing ground breaking here, nuthing implies Jesus is God or having any divinity.

Now lets read what Mark 1 says:

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased

So now here we see that Jesus is the son of God, and that God is pleased in him! A huge change in the start of both narratives of Jesus.

Now lets read what Luke 1 says:

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end

Now we see that Mary will give birth to a son who shall be named Jesus, and that Jesus shall be a great man, he shall be called the son of the highest, and that God would make him king over the throne of David, and he shall reign over the house of Israel for ever and his kingdom shall never end. So yet another huge change in the first narrative of Jesus. Now Jesus is king and more than the son of God, in Mark he was the son of God, in Matthew he was just born of a miracle as it is written and to save people from there sin.

Now lets see what john 1 goes on to say:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Now john has gone all the way in making Jesus seem divine! A huge step forward and change than the other three. So Jesus has gone from being born of a miraculous birth, to becoming the son of God, then becoming the king to the throne of David and ruling the house of Jacob, now he has gone to become divine! There is definatly an evoloution in the first narratives of Jesus in each book of the 4 Gospels. It cannot become more clear than this, although that is not a real translation of John 1:1, it is still obvious that John has raised Jesus to a divine state. Now let me post all 4 after another

Mattthew 1

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Mark 1

And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased

Luke 1

John 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So it crystal clear that there is indeed an evoloution in the first narratives of each Gospel. Jesus goes from miraculous birth as it was written, to son of God, to King of the throne, to being divine and creating all things. It cant get more obvious than that. The fact there is an evoloution in these texts shows that these books are indeed corrupt and evolved over time and Jesus' character evolved with it.

He Wrote

Not only does this account confirm the Quranic narrative of Mary's election over all women, but goes one step further by describing why she is so highly preferred:

"...and she (Elizabeth) exclaimed with a loud cry, 'Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!'" Luke 1:42

Indeed Mary is so highly blessed due to the reason that she was to conceive the greatest man who ever lived; the Son of the Most High, the Savior of the World, Jesus the Messiah

My Response

Mary is blessed because she is giving birth to a great man, not the GREATEST man on the planet, nor the saviour of the world, nor is she giving birth to God which is blasphemy! Shamoun believes Mary gave birth to God, what more can you say?

He Wrote

2-The Virgin Birth.

To the Christians, the virgin birth proves that the son of Mary was divine. Yet, to the Muslim Christ's virgin birth is comparable to Adam's creation without mother or father. Muslims point out that if Christians accept Jesus' virgin birth as evidence for his divinity then they should also accept Adam as being the son of God. After all, he was fashioned more miraculously than

Christ, having been created without mother or father.

In Islamic understanding, Christ's conception in Mary's womb without the aid of a man was an awesome display of God's ability to create anything He chooses by divine utterance of His word, Kun Fayakun, "Be and it is." In the Islamic thought process the virgin birth does not and should not suggest that Christ was or is divine.

To point out the fallacy of comparing Adam's creation with the birth of Jesus, it must be stressed that it was necessary for Adam to be created without mother or father. The very fact that he was the only man on earth at the time of his creation renders it impossible for him to be conceived in the natural fashion of sexual reproduction. The same logic applies to Eve since she was the first woman.

However, why was it necessary for Christ to be conceived in such supernatural fashion, when God had already put into motion the natural reproductive cycle of human birth? Why did God override his own laws of sexual reproduction and intervene personally by causing Jesus to be born from a virgin?

If the Muslims argue that this was meant as a sign for mankind to illustrate God's awesome power and glory, the counter argument would be that this would represent a rather inadequate display of God's omnipotence. The reason for such inadequacy is that, unlike the empty tomb of Christ where people would go and observe that the body was gone, the virgin birth cannot be verified by conventional means. It must be accepted by faith alone since no one was present to see the angel's annunciation of the virgin birth to Mary.

My Response

I would first like to inform Shamoun that EVERYTHING he believes in is on faith. Have you ever seen God? Have you ever seen Jesus? Did you see Jesus getting crucified? This is what we the Muslims and the Quran call Al-Ghayb which is the unseen, to believe in God and so on. So This is nuthing special, the fact is people did know that Mary was a virgin who gave birth, she first was accused of doing something bad, and that people did not believe her, however so the fact is that they later on did believe her. So hence people did recognize the great miracle birth, it was just for a little while in which they didnt, so hence that is a wrong argument by Shamoun. Even if it were true, it still means nuthing, because this is the belief in the unseen, Al-ghayb. I shall post what Ibn kathir said about Al-Ghayb:

The Meaning of Al-Ghayb

As for the meaning of Ghayb here, the Salaf have different explanations of it, all of which are correct, indicating the same general meaning. For instance, Abu Ja`far Ar-Razi quoted Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, reporting from Abu Al-`Aliyah about Allah's statement, i

[íõÄúãöäõæäó ÈöÇáúÛóíúÈö]

((Those who) have faith in the Ghayb), "They believe in Allah, His angels, Books, Messengers, the Last Day, His Paradise, Fire and in the meeting with Him. They also believe in life after death and in Resurrection. All of this is the Ghayb.'' Qatadah bin Di`amah said similarly.

Sa`id bin Mansur reported from `Abdur-Rahman bin Yazid who said, "We were sitting with `Abdullah bin Mas`ud when we mentioned the Companions of the Prophet and their deeds being superior to our deeds. `Abdullah said, `The matter of Muhammad was clear for those who saw him. By He other than Whom there is no God, no person will ever acquire a better type of faith than believing in Al-Ghayb.' He then recited,

[Çáã - Ðóáößó ÇáúßöÊóÇÈõ áÇó ÑóíúÈó Ýöíåö åõÏðì áøöáúãõÊøóÞöíäó ÇáøóÐöíäó íõÄúãöäõæäó ÈöÇáúÛóíúÈö]

(Alif Lam Mim. This is the Book, wherein there is no doubt, a guidance for the Muttaqin. Those who believe in the Ghayb), until,

[ÇáúãõÝúáöÍõæäó]

(the successful). '' Ibn Abi Hatim, Ibn Marduwyah and Al-Hakim, in his Mustadrak, recorded this Hadith. Al-Hakim commented that this Hadith is authentic and that the Two Shaykhs - Al-Bukhari and Muslim - did not collect it, although it meets their criteria.

Ahmad recorded a Hadith with similar meaning from Ibn Muhayriz who said: I said to Abu Jumu`ah, "Narrate a Hadith for us that you heard from the Messenger of Allah.'' He said, "Yes. I will narrate a good Hadith for you. Once we had lunch with the Messenger of Allah . Abu

`Ubaydah, who was with us, said, `O Messenger of Allah! Are people better than us We embraced Islam with you and performed Jihad with you.' He said,

«äóÚóãú Þóæúãñ ãöäú ÈóÚúÏößõãú íõÄúãöäõæäó Èöí æóáóãú íóÑóæúäöí»

(Yes, those who will come after you, who will believe in me although they did not see me.)''

This Hadith has another route collected by Abu Bakr bin Marduwyah in his Tafsir, from Salih bin Jubayr who said: `Abu Jumu`ah Al-Ansari, the Companion of the Messenger of Allah , came to Bayt Al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) to perform the prayer. Raja' bin Haywah was with us, so when Abu Jumu`ah finished, we went out to greet him. When he was about to leave, he said, "You have a gift and a right. I will narrate a Hadith for you that I heard from the Messenger of Allah. '' We said, "Do so, and may Allah grant you mercy.'' He said, "We were with the Messenger of Allah, ten people including Mu`adh bin Jabal. We said, "O Messenger of Allah! Are there people who will acquire greater rewards than us We believed in Allah and followed you.' He said,

«ãóÇ íóãúäóÚõßõãú ãöäú Ðóáößó æóÑóÓõæáõ Çááåö Èóíúäó ÃóÙúåõÑößõãú íóÃúÊöíßõãú ÈöÇáúæóÍúíö ãöäó ÇáÓøóãóÇÁö¡ Èóáú Þóæúãñ ÈóÚúÏóßõãú íóÃúÊöíåöãú ßöÊóÇÈñ ãöäú Èóíúäö áóæúÍóíúäö íõÄúãöäõæäó Èöåö æóíóÚúãóáõæäó ÈöãóÇ Ýöíåö¡ ÃõæáÆößó ÃóÚúÙóãõ ãöäúßõãú ÃóÌúÑðÇ ãóÑøóÊóíúä»

(What prevents you from doing so, while the Messenger of Allah is among you, bringing you the revelation from heaven There are people who will come after you and who will be given a book between two covers (the Qur'an), and they will believe in it and implement its commands. They have a greater reward than you, even twice as much.)''

[æóíõÞöíãõæäó ÇáÕøóáæÉó æóãöãøóÇ ÑóÒóÞúäóÜåõãú íõäÝöÞõæäó]

(And perform Salah, and spend out of what we have provided for them)

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=802

So even if Shamoun's argument was true, it still doesnt prove anything, because this is something normal to us as Muslims, the belief in the unseen. Now as for you asking why did God do this, why did God do that. I have no idea, and I dont believe you should question why God does this or that. I could similarly ask you why God became a man? Why didnt he just die for us from the start? Why didnt he send a dragon to preach to us? Why did he choose Mary? Why did didnt he name Jesus John? Why didnt he send Jesus arabia but to Palestine instead? I could ask all these questions, it would be a waste of time, so rather than keep on asking questions, lets just stick with what God did. The miraculous birth of Jesus was God simply showing his great power, a sighn to the believers and disbelievers. Just like the miracle birth of Isaac. Just like the splitting of the sea by Moses.

He Wrote

The Quran itself testifies to the fact that there were those who even accused Mary of being unchaste. It was chiefly due to another supernatural act which her innocence was upheld:

"At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: 'O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!'

"But she pointed to the babe. They said: 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' He said: 'I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet...'" S. 19:27-30

A. Yusef Ali writes in his footnote to this story:

"What could Mary do! How could she explain? Would they, in their censorious mood, accept her explanation? All she could do was point to the child, who, she knew, was no ordinary child. And the child came to her rescue. By a miracle he spoke, defended his mother, and preached to an unbelieving audience." (1: p.750, f. 2482)

My Response

Shamoun is going for anything now. Question for Shamoun, how would the people believe and know that Mary carried out a birth while she was a virgen? For this to be a great miracle there would have to be someone following Mary at all times, and recording her, so they would have proof that Mary never had sex. The fact is is thet Allah is smart, and he gave Jesus a great miracle by allowing him to speak when he was just a child, which therefore made people believe in the ultimate miracle, which is the virgin birth! Shamoun is being very illogical.

He Wrote

This still does not address the necessity of the miraculous birth of Jesus. To seek an answer we must refer back to the Bible:

"And Mary said to the angel, 'How shall this be, since I have no husband?' And the angel said to her, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.'" Luke 1:34-35

The reason that the child is born of a virgin is because he is the Son of God and as such, he could not be conceived in the normal fashion. Had he been born otherwise he would have

inherited a sinful nature like all the rest of mankind.

In other words, the virgin birth was a necessity only for the fact that this was the only befitting way for the King of glory to become incarnate, since he is God's unique Son.

My Response

Wrong, the fact that he was born of a virgin birth was to show God's strength, and that he could do anything. If you dont like that, then thats your problem, not the Qurans problem nor the Muslims problem.

He Wrote

Hence, Christians do not believe that the virgin birth makes Jesus the Son of God. Rather, they believe that because Jesus is the Son of God he had to be born of a virgin.

My Response

To bad, the true book of God says that he has no sons:

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YUSUFALI: It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

He Wrote

3-The Word of God.

The typical objection to this title of Christ points out that the Quran calls Jesus, "a word from God" (Kalimat-Minhu) and not the Word of God. Those raising this objection, routinely cite S. 3:39 and 45 to confirm their argument.

Yet, in S. 4:171 we are told:

"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the Son of Mary was a messenger of Allah, and His Word (Kalimatuhu), which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him (Ruhun-Minhu): so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not 'three': desist."

This verse, while stating that Jesus is but a messenger of God, emphatically states that He is the Word of God since the phrase Kalimatuhu refers to God's very own personal word. This passage also affirms that Jesus is a Spirit from God, which we will expound upon later.

My Response

Actually Jesus is just a word from God, he is not THE word of God in the way you Christians view him. Even Shamoun knows this, Shamoun knows that Jesus being called a word from God does not mean what he thinks it means. Shamoun must not apply his Christian theology into Islamic viewpoints, at the start of thus article I made it clear from the Quran that Jesus is a prophet and nuthing more. Shamoun must accept this, not conveniantly take one verse and leave the rest out. However so, let me quote the tafsir of this passage and show that early Muslims did not take Jesus as a God or something like that, this is Shamouns wishful thinking.

From Tafsir ibn kathir:

Allah forbids the People of the Scriptures from going to extremes in religion, which is a common trait of theirs, especially among the Christians. The Christians exaggerated over `Isa until they elevated him above the grade that Allah gave him. They elevated him from the rank of prophethood to being a god, whom they worshipped just as they worshipped Allah. They exaggerated even more in the case of those who they claim were his followers, claiming that they were inspired, thus following every word they uttered whether true or false, be it guidance or misguidance, truth or lies. This is why Allah said,

[ÇÊøóÎóÐõæÇú ÃóÍúÈóÜÑóåõãú æóÑõåúÈóÜäóåõãú ÃóÑúÈóÇÈÇð ãøöä Ïõæäö Çááøóåö]

(They took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said,

«áóÇ ÊõØúÑõæäöí ßóãóÇ ÃóØúÑóÊö ÇáäøóÕóÇÑóìö ÚöíÓóì ÇÈúäó ãóÑúíóãó. ÝóÅöäøóãóÇ ÃóäóÇ ÚóÈúÏñÝóÞõæáõæÇ: ÚóÈúÏõÇááåö æóÑóÓõæáõå»

(Do not unduly praise me like the Christians exaggerated over `Isa, son of Maryam. Verily, I am only a servant, so say, `Allah's servant and His Messenger.') This is the wording of Al-Bukhari. Imam Ahmad recorded that Anas bin Malik said that a man once said, "O Muhammad! You are our master and the son of our master, our most righteous person and the son of our most righteous person...'' The Messenger of Allah said,

«íóÇ ÃóíøõåóÇ ÇáäøóÇÓõ Úóáóíúßõãú ÈöÞóæúáößõãú¡ æóáóÇ íóÓúÊóåúæöíóäøóßõãõ ÇáÔøóíúØóÇäõ¡ÃóäóÇ ãõÍóãøóÏõ Èúäõ ÚóÈúÏöÇááåö¡ ÚóÈúÏõÇááåö æóÑóÓõæáõåõ¡ æóÇááåö ãóÇ ÃõÍöÈøõ Ãóäú ÊóÑúÝóÚõæäöí ÝóæúÞó ãóäúÒöáóÊöí ÇáøóÊöí ÃóäúÒóáóäöí Çááåõ ÚóÒøó æóÌóá»

(O people! Say what you have to say, but do not allow Shaytan to trick you. I am Muhammad bin `Abdullah, Allah's servant and Messenger. By Allah! I do not like that you elevate me above the rank that Allah has granted me.) Allah's statement,

[æóáÇó ÊóÞõæáõæÇú Úóáóì Çááøóåö ÅöáÇøó ÇáúÍóÞøó]

(nor say of Allah except the truth.) means, do not lie and claim that Allah has a wife or a son, Allah is far holier than what they attribute to Him. Allah is glorified, praised, and honored in His might, grandure and greatness, and there is no deity worthy of worship nor Lord but Him. Allah said;

[ÅöäøóãóÇ ÇáúãóÓöíÍõ ÚöíÓóì ÇÈúäõ ãóÑúíóãó ÑóÓõæáõ Çááøóåö æóßóáöãóÊõåõ ÃóáúÞóÜåóÇ Åöáóì ãóÑúíóãó æóÑõæÍñ ãøöäúåõ]

(Al-Masih `Isa, son of Maryam, was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) `Isa is only one of Allah's servants and one of His creatures. Allah said to him, `Be', and he was, and He sent him as a Messenger. `Isa was a word from Allah that He bestowed on Maryam, meaning He created him with the word `Be' that He sent with Jibril to Maryam. Jibril blew the life of `Isa into Maryam by Allah's leave, and `Isa came to existence as a result. This incident was in place of the normal conception between man and woman that results in children. This is why `Isa was a word and a Ruh (spirit) created by Allah, as he had no father to conceive him. Rather, he came to existence through the word that Allah uttered, `Be,' and he was, through the life that Allah sent with Jibril. Allah said,

[ãøóÇ ÇáúãóÓöíÍõ ÇÈúäõ ãóÑúíóãó ÅöáÇøó ÑóÓõæáñ ÞóÏú ÎóáóÊú ãöä ÞóÈúáöåö ÇáÑøõÓõáõ æóÃõãøõåõ ÕöÏøöíÞóÉñ ßóÇäóÇ íóÃúßõáÇóäö ÇáØøóÚóÇãó]

(Al-Masih [`Isa], son of Maryam, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam] was a Siddiqah. They both ate food.) And Allah said,

[Åöäøó ãóËóáó ÚöíÓóì ÚöäÏó Çááøóåö ßóãóËóáö ÁóÇÏóãó ÎóáóÞóåõ ãöä ÊõÑóÇÈò Ëõãøó ÞóÇáó áóåõ ßõä Ýóíóßõæäõ ]

(Verily, the likeness of `Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be! Ü and he was.)

[æóÇáøóÊöì ÃóÍúÕóäóÊú ÝóÑúÌóåóÇ ÝóäóÝóÎúäóÇ ÝöíåóÇ ãöä ÑøõæÍöäóÇ æóÌóÚóáúäóÜåóÇ æóÇÈúäóåóÂ ÁóÇíóÉð áøöáúÚóÜáóãöíäó ]

(And she who guarded her chastity, We breathed into her (garment) and We made her and her son [`Isa] a sign for all that exits.) (21:91)

[æóãóÑúíóãó ÇÈúäóÉó ÚöãúÑóÇäó ÇáøóÊöì ÃóÍúÕóäóÊú ÝóÑúÌóåóÇ]

(And Maryam, the daughter of `Imran who guarded her chastity,) and Allah said concerning the Messiah,

[Åöäú åõæó ÅöáÇøó ÚóÈúÏñ ÃóäúÚóãúäóÇ Úóáóíúåö]

(He [`Isa] was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.)

The Meaning of "His Word and a spirit from Him

`Abdur-Razzaq narrated that Ma`mar said that Qatadah said that the Ayah,

[æóßóáöãóÊõåõ ÃóáúÞóÜåóÇ Åöáóì ãóÑúíóãó æóÑõæÍñ ãøöäúåõ]

(And His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) means, He said,

[ßõäøó]

(Be) and he was. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ahmad bin Sinan Al-Wasiti said that he heard Shadh bin Yahya saying about Allah's statement,

[æóßóáöãóÊõåõ ÃóáúÞóÜåóÇ Åöáóì ãóÑúíóãó æóÑõæÍñ ãøöäúåõ]

(and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) "`Isa was not the word. Rather, `Isa came to existence because of the word.'' Al-

Bukhari recorded that `Ubadah bin As-t said that the Prophet said,

«ãóäú ÔóåöÏó Ãóäú áóÇ Åöáåó ÅöáøóÇ Çááåõ¡ æóÍúÏóåõ áóÇ ÔóÑöíßó áóåõ¡ æóÃóäøó ãõÍóãøóÏðÇ ÚóÈúÏõåõ æóÑóÓõæáõåõ¡ æóÃóäøó ÚöíÓóì ÚóÈúÏõÇááåö æóÑóÓõæáõåõ æóßóáöãóÊõåõ ÃóáúÞóÇåóÇ Åöáì ãóÑúíóãó æóÑõæÍñ ãöäúåõ¡ æóÃóäøó ÇáúÌóäøóÉó ÍóÞøñ¡ æóÇáäøóÇÑó ÍóÞøñ¡ ÃóÏúÎóáóåõ Çááåõ ÇáúÌóäøóÉó Úóáóì ãóÇ ßóÇäó ãöäó ÇáúÚóãóá»

(If anyone testifies that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger, and that `Isa is Allah's servant and Messenger and His Word which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is true and Hell is true, then Allah will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he performed.) In another narration, the Prophet said,

«ãöäú ÃóÈúæóÇÈö ÇáúÌóäøóÉö ÇáËøóãóÇäöíøóÉö íóÏúÎõáõ ãöäú ÃóíøöåóÇ ÔóÇÁ»

(...through any of the eight doors of Paradise he wishes.) Muslim also recorded it. Therefore, `Ruh from Allah', in the Ayah and the Hadith is similar to Allah's statement,

[æóÓóÎøóÑó áóßõãú ãøóÇ Ýöì ÇáÓøóãóÜæóÊö æóãóÇ Ýöì ÇáÇøñÑúÖö ÌóãöíÚÇð ãøöäúåõ]

(And has subjected to you all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth; it is all from Him.) meaning, from His creation. `from Him' does not mean that it is a part of Him, as the Christians claim, may Allah's continued curses be upon them. Saying that something is from Allah, such as the spirit of Allah, the she-camel of Allah or the House of Allah, is meant to honor such items. Allah said,

[åóÜÐöåö äóÇÞóÉõ Çááøóåö]

(This is the she-camel of Allah...) and,

[æóØóåøöÑú ÈóíúÊöìó áöáØøóÂÆöÝöíäó]

(and sanctify My House for those who circumambulate it.) An authentic Hadith states,

«ÝóÃóÏúÎõáõ Úóáóì ÑóÈøöí Ýöí ÏóÇÑöå»

(I will enter on my Lord in His Home) All these examples are meant to honor such items when they are attributed to Allah in this manner. Allah said,

[ÝóÜóÇãöäõæÇú ÈöÇááøóåö æóÑóÓõæáöåö]

(so believe in Allah and His Messengers.) believe that Allah is One and Alone and that He does not have a son or wife. Know and be certain that `Isa is the servant and Messenger of Allah. Allah said after that,

[æóáÇó ÊóÞõæáõæÇú ËóáóÜËóÉñ]

(Say not: "Three!") do not elevate `Isa and his mother to be gods with Allah. Allah is far holier than what they attribute to Him. In Surat Al-Ma'idah (chapter 5), Allah said,

[áøóÞóÏú ßóÝóÑó ÇáøóÐöíäó ÞóÇáõæÇú Åöäøó Çááøóåó ËóÜáöËõ ËóáóÜËóÉò æóãóÇ ãöäú ÅöáóÜåò ÅöáÇøó ÅöáóÜåñ æóÍöÏñ]

(Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three.'' But there is none who has the right to be worshipped but One God.) Allah said by the end of the same Surah,

[æóÅöÐú ÞóÇáó Çááøóåõ íÚöíÓóì ÇÈúäó ãóÑúíóãó ÃóÁóäÊó ÞõáÊó áöáäøóÇÓö ÇÊøóÎöÐõæäöì]

(And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O `Isa, son of Maryam! Did you say unto men: `Worship me''') and in its beginning,

[áøóÞóÏú ßóÝóÑó ÇáøóÐöíäó ÞóÂáõæÇú Åöäøó Çááøóåó åõæó ÇáúãóÓöíÍõ ÇÈúäõ ãóÑúíóãó]

(Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Maryam.) The Christians, may Allah curse them, have no limit to their disbelief because of their ignorance, so their deviant statements and their misguidance grows. Some of them believe that `Isa is Allah, some believe that he is one in a trinity and some believe that he is the son of Allah. Their beliefs and creeds are numerous and contradict each other, prompting some people to say that if ten Christians meet, they would end up with eleven sects!

So as you see, Sam's thinking of what the word of God is wrong. In Islam it is not giving any divine nature to Jesus, this also refutes the Christian lie they had made up on Jesus being a spirit from God. The Muslims cursed Christians who claimes that because the Jesus is a spirit from God or of God, then this made him part of God. So It will be funny to see if Shamoun actually brings up the issue of Jesus being a spirit of God to mean he is part of God according to Islam. It is an honor, and also spirit of God also means soul created by God etc. Not part of him, So I would really like to ask Shamoun to not insert his Christian theology into the Islamic viewpoint of Jesus, because it makes him look very silly as you can see, the early Muslims curse him for this!

He Wrote

To further substantiate the fact of Jesus being the word of God, we quote from Muhammad Ayub's book, The Quran and Its Interpreters, vol. II. The House of Imran:

Tabari, an Islamic scholar quotes on the authority of Al-Suddi a debate between the Christians of Najran and Muhammad in which Muhammad was asked what he thought of Jesus, to which he answered: "He is the servant of God, His Spirit and Word." (p.184)

Another scholar, Sayyid Qutb, stated that "Messiah" is an alternative expression for the "word, but in reality he (Jesus) is the word." (Ibid., p.151)

Dr. Hasbullah Bakry in his book Nabi Isa dalam Al-Quran ("Jesus the Prophet in The Quran") p.109 declares: "The Prophet Jesus is called 'Kalimatu Allah' (the word of God) because he is the incarnation of the word of God which was signaled to Mary to bear the Prophet Jesus."

Both religious communities agree that the word of God is eternally inseparable from Him, since God has always existed with the ability to express His divine will through His Word. This would make Jesus eternally inseparable from God, since the Quran, alongside the Bible, concurs that Christ is the Word Incarnate:

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him was not anything made that has been made...The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth..." John 1:1-3, 14a.

Hence, to illustrate that Christ is merely a creature indirectly assumes that the Word of God is created. This is blasphemous, since both Muslims and Christians affirm that God has eternally existed with all His qualities and attributes. He has never been in need of acquiring anything since God is immutable

My Response

I find it funny Shamoun is intentionally giving a false impression that by Muslims say that Jesus is the spirit and word of God, then this means Jesus is part of God and THE word of God. I have already given what the tafsir said about this issue, but just for fun, I will post it again to just expose how shallow Shamoun is for intenitionally mixing Islam's viewpoint of Jesus:

[ÇÊøóÎóÐõæÇú ÃóÍúÈóÜÑóåõãú æóÑõåúÈóÜäóåõãú ÃóÑúÈóÇÈÇð ãøöä Ïõæäö Çááøóåö]

(They took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said,

[æóáÇó ÊóÞõæáõæÇú Úóáóì Çááøóåö ÅöáÇøó ÇáúÍóÞøó]

(Al-Masih [`Isa], son of Maryam, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam] was a Siddiqah. They both ate food.) And Allah said,

[Åöäøó ãóËóáó ÚöíÓóì ÚöäÏó Çááøóåö ßóãóËóáö ÁóÇÏóãó ÎóáóÞóåõ ãöä ÊõÑóÇÈò Ëõãøó ÞóÇáó áóåõ ßõä Ýóíóßõæäõ ]

(Verily, the likeness of `Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be! Ü and he was.)

(And she who guarded her chastity, We breathed into her (garment) and We made her and her son [`Isa] a sign for all that exits.) (21:91)

[æóãóÑúíóãó ÇÈúäóÉó ÚöãúÑóÇäó ÇáøóÊöì ÃóÍúÕóäóÊú ÝóÑúÌóåóÇ]

(And Maryam, the daughter of `Imran who guarded her chastity,) and Allah said concerning the Messiah,

[Åöäú åõæó ÅöáÇøó ÚóÈúÏñ ÃóäúÚóãúäóÇ Úóáóíúåö]

(He [`Isa] was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.)

The Meaning of "His Word and a spirit from Him

`Abdur-Razzaq narrated that Ma`mar said that Qatadah said that the Ayah,

[æóßóáöãóÊõåõ ÃóáúÞóÜåóÇ Åöáóì ãóÑúíóãó æóÑõæÍñ ãøöäúåõ]

(And His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) means, He said,

[ßõäøó]

(Be) and he was. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ahmad bin Sinan Al-Wasiti said that he heard Shadh bin Yahya saying about Allah's statement,

[æóßóáöãóÊõåõ ÃóáúÞóÜåóÇ Åöáóì ãóÑúíóãó æóÑõæÍñ ãøöäúåõ]

(and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) "`Isa was not the word. Rather, `Isa came to existence because of the word.'' Al-Bukhari recorded that `Ubadah bin As-t said that the Prophet said,

«ãöäú ÃóÈúæóÇÈö ÇáúÌóäøóÉö ÇáËøóãóÇäöíøóÉö íóÏúÎõáõ ãöäú ÃóíøöåóÇ ÔóÇÁ»

(...through any of the eight doors of Paradise he wishes.) Muslim also recorded it. Therefore, `Ruh from Allah', in the Ayah and the Hadith is similar to Allah's statement,

[æóÓóÎøóÑó áóßõãú ãøóÇ Ýöì ÇáÓøóãóÜæóÊö æóãóÇ Ýöì ÇáÇøñÑúÖö ÌóãöíÚÇð ãøöäúåõ]

[åóÜÐöåö äóÇÞóÉõ Çááøóåö]

(This is the she-camel of Allah...) and,

[æóØóåøöÑú ÈóíúÊöìó áöáØøóÂÆöÝöíäó]

(and sanctify My House for those who circumambulate it.) An authentic Hadith states,

«ÝóÃóÏúÎõáõ Úóáóì ÑóÈøöí Ýöí ÏóÇÑöå»

(I will enter on my Lord in His Home) All these examples are meant to honor such items when they are attributed to Allah in this manner. Allah said,

[ÝóÜóÇãöäõæÇú ÈöÇááøóåö æóÑóÓõæáöåö]

[æóáÇó ÊóÞõæáõæÇú ËóáóÜËóÉñ]

(Say not: "Three!") do not elevate `Isa and his mother to be gods with Allah. Allah is far holier than what they attribute to Him. In Surat Al-Ma'idah (chapter 5), Allah said,

(Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three.'' But there is none who has the right to be worshipped but One God.) Allah said by the end of the same Surah,

[æóÅöÐú ÞóÇáó Çááøóåõ íÚöíÓóì ÇÈúäó ãóÑúíóãó ÃóÁóäÊó ÞõáÊó áöáäøóÇÓö ÇÊøóÎöÐõæäöì]

(And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O `Isa, son of Maryam! Did you say unto men: `Worship me''') and in its beginning,

[áøóÞóÏú ßóÝóÑó ÇáøóÐöíäó ÞóÂáõæÇú Åöäøó Çááøóåó åõæó ÇáúãóÓöíÍõ ÇÈúäõ ãóÑúíóãó]

So Sam, please dont try and interpret Quran to your liking.

He Wrote

Yet, by acknowledging this fact Muslims are forced to conclude that Jesus is the eternal Word of God. Being eternal would also imply that Jesus is both distinct from God and also God by nature. However, a Muslim cannot adhere to this fact since the Quran denies the deity of Christ. (S. 5:17, 72,75)

My Response

Yes, Jesus is not God, the Quran denies it, you know this, and you are intenionally mis interpreting Islamic sources and you have been caught. The tafsir exposes your shallow scholarship work.

He Wrote

To avoid this obvious paradox, Muslims state that the meaning behind the title "Word of God" simply implies that Jesus was created by God's command; that he was a by-product of God's Word Kun Fayakun, "Be and it is." They cite S. 3:59 to prove their case:

"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be': and he was."

Once again this argument is unfounded since if the title was given solely to imply the creation of Jesus, then as the verse suggests, Adam should also be called the Word of God. Yet nowhere in the Quran, or Hadiths for that matter, is Adam ever referred to by such a title. This illustrates quite conclusively that the title, when applied to Christ means much more than what Muslims would have Christians believe.

We are then logically forced to arrive at the same conclusion that the Apostle John comes to in the prologue of his Gospel; namely that Jesus, being the Eternal Word of God, is the complete manifestation of the Godhead in human form and the ultimate and final revelation of divinity. (John 1:1-3, 14, 18)

My Response

I find it funny that Shamoun claims there is a paradox, he has intentionally mis interpreted the Quran and now is attacking the Quran because of his lie! Very funny indeed, I am happy this is all out in the open, because now Muslims can see for themselves how missionaries intentionally lie, they distory the Quran and try to trick the Muslims, and then they say there is an error therefore come to Christianity. Thank you for exposing yourself, there is no paradox, I showed the Islamic standpoint on Jesus, Jesus was a prophet according to the Quran, a man and I quoted the tafsir which also refuted your lie! So you are wrong, not the Quran.

Now just incase Shamoun wants to cry me a river, or play the violin and appeal to sympathy by claiming I am being rude and insulting, I would like to inform Shamoun that he has been caught lying, and intentionally mis-interpreting the Quran. So I am just exposing him for that, it would be different if I was calling him a liar and so on with no proof, the fact that I showed the tafsir which completly disagrees with him shows how he lied about the Islamic viewpoint on Jesus. I dont like liars, especially missionary liars, so im not being mean or rude, im stating facts.

He Wrote

4-Sinless

It is not the principle of Christ's sinlessness that is at question here, since both Christians and Muslims affirm his perfect life. The question revolves around whether Jesus is the only prophet who is without sin.

In Islamic understanding, all prophets are sinless as it would not be befitting to the majesty of God to have messengers commit gross sins. After all, the prophets are thought of as examples for all others to follow.

Although this sounds quite logical, for it to be true we must find verification of it in the Quran and authentic Hadiths. The Quran surprisingly however, rather than affirming the sinless nature of God's messengers, actually emphasizes their need for forgiveness and cleansing from impurities! A listing of the prophets and the Suras will be given below to aid in illustrating this point beyond the shadow of a doubt:

Adam and Eve S. 2:36; 7:22-23
Noah S. 11:45-47
Abraham S. 26:82
Moses S. 28:15-16
David S. 38:24-25
Solomon S. 38:34
Jonah S. 37:142; 21:8
Zechariah S. 3:40-41

My Response

Actually let me correct for once again mis-interpreting the Islamic viewpoint of Jesus, no Muslim goes around affirming that Jesus was a perfect person and sinless, once again your are distorting the information.

He Wrote

(Note - Most Islamic commentators presume that Zechariah's request for a sign as confirmation for the birth of John implies doubt on Zechariah's part, and hence are at pains to explain it away. [2: p.112])

Muhammad S. 4:102-107; 9:43; 40:55; 48:1-2; 80:1-10

Two arguments are naturally brought out in order to refute the obvious implications of the passages, namely that Jesus Christ is the greatest of all prophets and men.

The first objection is in regards to Muhammad's need for forgiveness for his sins. Muslims state that when the Quran mentions Muhammad as being a sinner, it is in actuality making reference to the Muslim community through Muhammad. This they claim, has nothing to do with the prophet of Islam. However, a single verse from the Quran blows this theory away completely:

"Know that there is no deity but God. Implore Him to forgive your (Muhammad) sins and to forgive the true believers, men and women." S. 47:19 (N. J. Dawood's Translation)

Both Muhammad and the Muslims are told to repent of their sins, conclusively illustrating that Muhammad was in need of forgiveness apart from the believers. The Hadith itself bears witness that Muhammad was a sinner:

According to Anas, the Prophet said, "At the judgment Day the believers will assemble and will say, 'Let us ask someone to intercede for us.' They will go and find Adam, and say to him, "you are the Father of mankind; God has created you with His hand, He has taught the angels to kneel before you, and He has taught you the names of all things. Intercede to the Lord on our behalf in order that He may deliver us from our predicament.' He will reply, 'I am not the one you are needing. Go and find Noah; He is the first messenger whom God sent to mankind.' They will find Noah, and he will say, 'I am not the one you need.' He will remind them that he asked the Lord about things of which he could have no knowledge, and he would be ashamed to intercede for them. 'Go,' he will say to them, 'and find the Friend of the Merciful [Abraham].' They will do as they are bid, and the latter will say, 'Go and ask Moses, this worshipper to whom God has an addressed word and to whom He has given the Torah.' They will go and find Moses, and he will say to them, 'I am not he whom you need.' He will tell them that he killed a man who was not guilty, and that he is ashamed before his Lord. The he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them, 'I am not the one whom you need; go and find Muhammad (God bless and preserve him!); he is the servant for whom God has pardoned all sins, past and future. Then they will come to me; I shall go to the Lord and ask Him if he will listen to me. He will grant me my request, and when I see Him, I shall fall down to my knees and remain there as long it pleases Him. Then He will say to me, 'Look up! Ask and you shall receive; speak and you will be heard; intercede and your intercession will be granted...'" (Bukhari, Mishkat al-Masabih, Book 23, chp.12)

Not only is Christ the only sinless person amongst all the prophets mentioned in this tradition, but we have Muhammad once again confirming that Jesus is THE Word and Spirit of God and not just a word or spirit from him.

Accordingly, the story as recorded in the Mishkat registers the prophets' sins as the reason for their rejection as intercessors for the people.

My Response

Yes Jesus is the spirit and word of God, but not according to what you think as I showed from the tafsir, but once again to expose you I will quote it:

[ÇÊøóÎóÐõæÇú ÃóÍúÈóÜÑóåõãú æóÑõåúÈóÜäóåõãú ÃóÑúÈóÇÈÇð ãøöä Ïõæäö Çááøóåö]

(They took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said,

[æóáÇó ÊóÞõæáõæÇú Úóáóì Çááøóåö ÅöáÇøó ÇáúÍóÞøó]

(Al-Masih [`Isa], son of Maryam, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam] was a Siddiqah. They both ate food.) And Allah said,

[Åöäøó ãóËóáó ÚöíÓóì ÚöäÏó Çááøóåö ßóãóËóáö ÁóÇÏóãó ÎóáóÞóåõ ãöä ÊõÑóÇÈò Ëõãøó ÞóÇáó áóåõ ßõä Ýóíóßõæäõ ]

(Verily, the likeness of `Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be! Ü and he was.)

(And she who guarded her chastity, We breathed into her (garment) and We made her and her son [`Isa] a sign for all that exits.) (21:91)

[æóãóÑúíóãó ÇÈúäóÉó ÚöãúÑóÇäó ÇáøóÊöì ÃóÍúÕóäóÊú ÝóÑúÌóåóÇ]

(And Maryam, the daughter of `Imran who guarded her chastity,) and Allah said concerning the Messiah,

[Åöäú åõæó ÅöáÇøó ÚóÈúÏñ ÃóäúÚóãúäóÇ Úóáóíúåö]

(He [`Isa] was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.)

The Meaning of "His Word and a spirit from Him

`Abdur-Razzaq narrated that Ma`mar said that Qatadah said that the Ayah,

[æóßóáöãóÊõåõ ÃóáúÞóÜåóÇ Åöáóì ãóÑúíóãó æóÑõæÍñ ãøöäúåõ]

(And His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) means, He said,

[ßõäøó]

(Be) and he was. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ahmad bin Sinan Al-Wasiti said that he heard Shadh bin Yahya saying about Allah's statement,

[æóßóáöãóÊõåõ ÃóáúÞóÜåóÇ Åöáóì ãóÑúíóãó æóÑõæÍñ ãøöäúåõ]

«ãöäú ÃóÈúæóÇÈö ÇáúÌóäøóÉö ÇáËøóãóÇäöíøóÉö íóÏúÎõáõ ãöäú ÃóíøöåóÇ ÔóÇÁ»

(...through any of the eight doors of Paradise he wishes.) Muslim also recorded it. Therefore, `Ruh from Allah', in the Ayah and the Hadith is similar to Allah's statement,

[æóÓóÎøóÑó áóßõãú ãøóÇ Ýöì ÇáÓøóãóÜæóÊö æóãóÇ Ýöì ÇáÇøñÑúÖö ÌóãöíÚÇð ãøöäúåõ]

[åóÜÐöåö äóÇÞóÉõ Çááøóåö]

(This is the she-camel of Allah...) and,

[æóØóåøöÑú ÈóíúÊöìó áöáØøóÂÆöÝöíäó]

(and sanctify My House for those who circumambulate it.) An authentic Hadith states,

«ÝóÃóÏúÎõáõ Úóáóì ÑóÈøöí Ýöí ÏóÇÑöå»

(I will enter on my Lord in His Home) All these examples are meant to honor such items when they are attributed to Allah in this manner. Allah said,

[ÝóÜóÇãöäõæÇú ÈöÇááøóåö æóÑóÓõæáöåö]

[æóáÇó ÊóÞõæáõæÇú ËóáóÜËóÉñ]

(Say not: "Three!") do not elevate `Isa and his mother to be gods with Allah. Allah is far holier than what they attribute to Him. In Surat Al-Ma'idah (chapter 5), Allah said,

(Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three.'' But there is none who has the right to be worshipped but One God.) Allah said by the end of the same Surah,

[æóÅöÐú ÞóÇáó Çááøóåõ íÚöíÓóì ÇÈúäó ãóÑúíóãó ÃóÁóäÊó ÞõáÊó áöáäøóÇÓö ÇÊøóÎöÐõæäöì]

(And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O `Isa, son of Maryam! Did you say unto men: `Worship me''') and in its beginning,

[áøóÞóÏú ßóÝóÑó ÇáøóÐöíäó ÞóÂáõæÇú Åöäøó Çááøóåó åõæó ÇáúãóÓöíÍõ ÇÈúäõ ãóÑúíóãó]

So its good you keep bringing that up, because everytime you bring the issue of Jesus being the word and spirit of God, I will post the tafsir which exposes your interpretation. Anyway, Shamon quotes the hadith, and what Shamoun failed to read was this:

'Go,' he will say to them, 'and find the Friend of the Merciful [Abraham].' They will do as they are bid, and the latter will say, 'Go and ask Moses, this worshipper to whom God has an addressed word and to whom He has given the Torah

So notice, the hadith doesnt show any sin of Abraham! Shamoun's point is just because Jesus didnt mention one of his sins, then this means Jesus is sinless! However so, based on the same evidence Sam uses, then this means that Abaraham was sinless to! So Sam must really learn how to try and make arguments. Secondly, just say that every single prophet confessed their sin accept Jesus, this still would not matter because lets see what the hadith stated:

Jesus himself says go to Muhammad! Jesus just like the rest of the prophets were not fit to carry out this job, which was to intercede for some people. So hence Shamoun's entire case gets thrown out the window. Shamoun would have a small case to make if people came to Muhammad and he said go to Jesus for intercession, the fact is Jesus told the people to go to Muhammad for intercession, hence Shamoun's entire argument falls flat on his face.

He Wrote

This complicates the matter further, as we see that Muhammad is also a sinner in need of forgiveness for his own faults. This would nullify the idea of Muhammad being an intercessor for his people. The Quran agrees:

"... Every soul gathers the result of its acts on none but itself. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. You goal in the end is towards God. He will tell you the truth of the things wherein you disputed." S. 6:164 (see also 17:15; 35:18; 39:7; 53:38)

In other words, a person burdened with sin cannot bear another man's transgressions. The Quran does acknowledge that God will permit the intercession of him who is the witness to the truth:

"...And those (false gods) whom they invoke besides God have no power of intercession. ONLY HE WHO BEARS WITNESS TO THE TRUTH and they know." S. 43:86

My Response

Now Shamoun even lies further! This will be very easy to answer, infact I will use the hadith which Shamoun brought up to answer how Muhammad interceeded for the people:

The he arranges for them to approach Jesus, the worshipper of God and His messenger, the Word of God and the Spirit of God. But Jesus will say to them, 'I am not the one whom you need; go and find Muhammad (God bless and preserve him!); he is the servant for whom God has pardoned all sins, past and future

God forgave ALL of Muhammads sins, so this how Muhammad was able to do it, so therefore Shamoun once again gives a false impression, and he even brought this hadith up! How could he miss that part? The fact is he didnt miss that part but intentionally acted as if it was not there. So the fact that Muhammad could intercede for other people was because Allah forgave ALL his sins, past and future. As for the one who bears witness to the truth, Muhammad beared witness to truth, he said the shahada every day!

He Wrote

Jesus said to him' "I am the way and the TRUTH and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6

Due to the fact that Jesus is the Truth of God revealed to mankind and because he, among all men, is without sin, his intercession is welcomed and accepted. The short-comings of all the other prophets will prevent them from fulfilling this role:

"For there is one God and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Tim. 2:5 N.K.J.V.

"My little children, these things I write to you, that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." 1 John 2:1-3 N.K.J.V.

My Response

Good you bring up John 14:6, now you can go to this link in which I already refuted that argument of yours:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/rebuttaltosamshamoun32.htm

Now as for Christ being the mediator, yes maybe at his time he was, but then again these are not Jesus' words but Timothy's who was under Paul who is a liar. So Timothy can say all he wants for all I care. As a matter of fact in the link I provided I even show that Timothy is very unreliable.

He Wrote

The second argument is made regarding many other prophets in the Quran who are never told to repent of any sins. This, it is hoped, would imply that they too are perfect like Christ. (i.e. John the Baptist. S. 19:13)

My Response

Actually in Islam we dont believe Jesus was PERFECT or SINLESS, so your talking to yourself on that one.

He Wrote

It is true that prophets like Elijah, Enoch and others are never mentioned as being in need of forgiveness, but does this imply that they are without sin? We must refer to Islamic traditions for the answer:

Tabari, citing Abu Hurayrah, states: "The messenger of God said, 'Every newborn of the children of Adam must endure the stab of Satan's [finger], which causes the child to cry out

except Mary daughter of Imran and her son.'" (2:94)

Qatadah, as reported by Tabari is said to have heard that, "Jesus and his mother did not commit any of the sins which the rest of the children of Adam commit." (2:94)

The children of Adam would include Elijah, Enoch and John the Baptist showing that all have sinned, and have been touched by Satan with Jesus and Mary being the sole exception to the norm. This would certainly include Muhammad, since he too was a child of Adam.

In order to offset even these arguments, Muslim's counter by indicating that although the Quranic testimony affirms Muhammad's sins, these were small mistakes and not major crimes since the Arabic word used is thanb which always refers to minor errors committed. It is then argued that Muhammad's willingness to acknowledge his mistakes testifies to the authenticity of the revelation since no one concocting scriptures would portray himself in such a negative manner.

Our response to the first assumption is that the internal evidence within the Quran tends to suggest that the word thanb does not refer to small errors but to major sins committed as the following passages prove:

Aziz's wife is told in S. 12:29 to "ask forgiveness for thy sin (thanb)," because of her adulterous desires for Joseph.

Allah will throw people in "the Blazing Fire" because of "their sins (thanbahum)" which consisted of the rejection of "their Lord and Cherisher." (S. 67:6,11)

The people of Thamud were destroyed due to their slaughtering God's she-camel and rejection of the Prophet Salih, a serious "crime (thanb)." (S. 91:11-14)

Finally, Qarun's thanb led to his destruction, in the same way that other generations before him were destroyed as a result of "their sins (thanbahum)." (S. 28:78-81)

Furthermore, to say that because Muhammad was honest enough to acknowledge his sins proves inspiration is erroneous, since this would make any and all religious leaders equally inspired as many of them such as Buddha were also honest enough to acknowledge their shortcomings. This would make the Muslim assertion that the Holy Bible is corrupt fallacious since the Scriptures portray the Jews, the Prophets and the Apostles as sinners, demonstrating their honesty and care in preserving the text irrespective of how both the Christians and the Jews were presented therein.

My Response

To begin with, when you quote:

Tabari, citing Abu Hurayrah, states: "The messenger of God said, 'Every newborn of the children of Adam must endure the stab of Satan's [finger], which causes the child to cry out except Mary daughter of Imran and her son.'" (2:94)

This does not mean Jesus is sinless, it just means that Satan didnt touch Jesus when he was a baby like he does to others, this just shows how God protected Jesus at the time. When satan touches you when your a baby, it doesnt mean he puts sin on you, secondly let me refute Shamoun on this one. Let us see what Ibn Kathir said which is also agreed upon by every Muslim scholar:

Some of the scholars stated that Basmalah before eating is obligatory. Basmalah before having sexual intercourse is also recommended. The Two Sahihs recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah said,

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(If anyone of you before having sexual relations with his wife says, 'In the Name of Allah. O Allah! Protect us from Satan and also protect what you grant us (meaning the coming offspring) from Satan,' and if it is destined that they should have a child then, Satan will never be able to harm that child.)

So we see here, that if you say the basmalah before sexual intercourse, then satan will never be able to harm that child, does that mean that all these kids are perfect and sinless? Certainly not! So Shamouns argument that Satan did not touch Jesus when he was a baby does not mean Jesus is sinless. Shamoun then posts:

Qatadah, as reported by Tabari is said to have heard that, "Jesus and his mother did not commit any of the sins which the rest of the children of Adam commit." (2:94)

What Shamoun failed to read is that what he posted also says that MARY did not commit the sins neither, so is Sam now going to say Islam believes Mary is sinless therefore making her a Godess? Secondly, Qatadah as reported by Tabari to have just heard this, it may not be true, bring the chain of narrarators, the isnad and so on. Not everything in Tabari is sound, he just put everything what he heard, it is for us to go and find out what is authentic and what is not. Now thirdly, the Quran itself refutes claims of Jesus and Mary of being divine:

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YUSUFALI: And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

So this verse itself takes away any belief of divinity in Jesus and Mary. So if any Islamic source comes and says that Mary and Jesus are supposedly sinless, then this is easily thrown out as it contradicts the very Quran, therefore it seems what Sam posted from Tabari is not true and not sound. Another verse which takes away the belief of any divnity in Mary and Jesus:

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YUSUFALI: Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

So note how the Quran likens Jesus to the other messengers, meaning he is just like them, meaning just like them he had mistakes and so on. As for Mary, notice how it says she ATE FOOD, this means that she is a human and not a God because God doesnt go around eating food to sustain himself. The fact that Mary and Jesus ate food shows they are human like all of us, they eat, they commit mistakes and sins here and there. So therefore this passage proves Jesus and Mary were not sinless, so what Tabari cited is wrong if it meant Jesus and Mary are sinless, because the Quran shows they werent sinless.

He Wrote

This line of reasoning also commits a logical fallacy by confusing a question of fact with a question of relevance. It is irrelevant to the topic at hand to speculate on Muhammad's motives in confessing his sins since the issue which we are dealing with is Christ's uniqueness in relation to the other Prophets. The fact that all of the Prophets and Muhammad were sinners, clearly indicates to all open-minded individuals that Jesus is the greatest man who ever lived since he alone is without sin.

My Resopnse

Yes, and as I have shown Jesus was like all the other messengers, so just like them he sinned and did mistakes. So you have no case, secondly Jesus himself told the people to go to Muhammad for intercession, why is that?

As for Jesus being the greatest man that ever lived, thats your right to your opinian.

He Wrote

One Muslim writer, who is honest enough to admit that Muhammad was a sinner, is Muhammad Asad in his note on S. 48:2:

Lit., "so that God might forgive thee all that is past of thy sins and all that is yet to come" thus indicating elliptically, that freedom from faults is an exclusive prerogative of God, and that every human being, however exalted, is bound to err on occasion. (The Message of the Quran, p.785, n. 2 emphasis ours)

This would essentially be an indirect admission on the part of Asad to the Deity of Christ, since only the Creator is above making mistakes and yet Christ is faultless also.

My Response

Actually Asad did not indirectly admit anything, you are putting words in his mouth. You have not proven that according to Islam that Jesus is sinless, so therefore, stop lying and running around like you did. According to Islam, Jesus is not sinless, you tried to show Islam says Jesus is sinless, as usual you failed. Christ was not faultless even according to your own book:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm

https://www.answering-christianity.com/satanic_verses.htm

https://www.answering-christianity.com/satans_offer.htm

https://www.answering-christianity.com/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_6.htm

He Wrote

In conclusion, we quote a final tradition which further illustrates the glory and superiority of Jesus the Messiah over all men:

"When Jesus was born, the devils came to Iblis [their chief], informing him that all the idols were found that morning lying face down. He said, 'something important must have happened; stay where you are!' He then flew out and searched the entire earth; but he found nothing. He searched the seas, but again to no avail. He flew out once more until he discovered Jesus born near a donkey's manger, with angels standing all around him. Iblis returned to the devils and said, 'A prophet was born last night. No female has conceived or given birth but that I was present at her side, except this woman. You must despair therefore of idols ever worshipped again after last night. You must attack the children of Adam henceforth quickly and stealthily.'" (2:94)

Faced with such solid evidence, should a person still refuse to acknowledge Jesus' uniqueness and superiority over all things, then indeed no amount of reasoning will convince him to the contrary.

To the Christian these stories are not required to confirm the preeminence of Jesus, since he has sufficient confirmation of this in the Holy Bible:

Of humanity we are told that, "None are righteous, no, not one." Since "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Romans 3:10, 23

But of Christ we read that, "He committed no sin, no guile was found on His lips," and that He is "like that of a lamb without blemish or spot." 1 Peter 2:22, 1:19

Jesus Christ is "a high priest, holy, blameless, unstained, separated from sinners, exalted above the heavens." Hebrews 7:26

He was "one who in every respect was tempted as we are, yet without sin" and because of this God "made Him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God." Hebrews 4:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21

So assured is the sinless life of Christ that He could ask His enemies, "which of you can convict me of sin?" John 8:46

A question to which none could provide an answer. Inasmuch as Jesus lived under the most intense scrutiny of the Jewish leaders, not one single charge of misconduct could be levied against Him. This is food for thought indeed.

My Response

Yes with you getting caught lying, and intentionally mis-interpreting Islamic sources, faced with such solid evidence should anyone even acknowledge anything you say? As for the Islamic narration you posted, this does not prove that Jesus is God, or is divine, once again I refuted this lie of yours in the beggining of my article in which I showed what the Quran had to say about Jesus. So hence your making yourself look silly in trying to prove something you cant.

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