Meeting Sam Shamoun’s challenge

 Continuation of rebuttal to Shamoun’s article
Muhammad's False Prophecies

 
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http://www../Shamoun/false_prophecies.htm

Shamoun wrote:

We need to ask did Moses ever return a convert (especially one who was an Egyptian) back to the pagan Pharaoh in order to please the latter in obtaining what he wanted? Did Jesus ever compromise the truth of God by agreeing with the Pharisees in turning back all gentile seekers in order to be accepted by the Jewish ruling council? Would either Moses or Jesus go so far as to deny their apostleship in order to please the demands of pagans? Would these men refuse to glorify the true God in the manner commanded by the Creator and acquiesce to the request of addressing God in a manner pleasing to the unbelievers, much like Muhammad did?

 

 

My Response

Well I am very happy you bring these points up, everything you just said backfires against you.

Shamoun’s God did compromise his law, here is the proof:

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)

So it was part of God’s law, a man who sleeps with another mans wife, the wife of his neighbor, then both the man and women shall be put to death.

Well this exact episode happened with king David 2 Samuel 11:1- 27 :

 

1 And it came to pass, after the year was expired, at the time when kings go forth to battle, that David sent Joab, and his servants with him, and all Israel; and they destroyed the children of Ammon, and besieged Rabbah. But David tarried still at Jerusalem. 2 And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon. 3 And David sent and inquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? 4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house. 5 And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child.

6 And David sent to Joab, saying, Send me Uriah the Hittite. And Joab sent Uriah to David. 7 And when Uriah was come unto him, David demanded of him how Joab did, and how the people did, and how the war prospered. 8 And David said to Uriah, Go down to thy house, and wash thy feet. And Uriah departed out of the king's house, and there followed him a mess of meat from the king. 9 But Uriah slept at the door of the king's house with all the servants of his lord, and went not down to his house. 10 And when they had told David, saying, Uriah went not down unto his house, David said unto Uriah, Camest thou not from thy journey? why then didst thou not go down unto thine house? 11 And Uriah said unto David, The ark, and Israel, and Judah, abide in tents; and my lord Joab, and the servants of my lord, are encamped in the open fields; shall I then go into mine house, to eat and to drink, and to lie with my wife? as thou livest, and as thy soul liveth, I will not do this thing. 12 And David said to Uriah, Tarry here to day also, and to morrow I will let thee depart. So Uriah abode in Jerusalem that day, and the morrow. 13 And when David had called him, he did eat and drink before him; and he made him drunk: and at even he went out to lie on his bed with the servants of his lord, but went not down to his house.

14 And it came to pass in the morning, that David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent it by the hand of Uriah. 15 And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten, and die. 16 And it came to pass, when Joab observed the city, that he assigned Uriah unto a place where he knew that valiant men were. 17 And the men of the city went out, and fought with Joab: and there fell some of the people of the servants of David; and Uriah the Hittite died also. 18 Then Joab sent and told David all the things concerning the war; 19 And charged the messenger, saying, When thou hast made an end of telling the matters of the war unto the king, 20 And if so be that the king's wrath arise, and he say unto thee, Wherefore approached ye so nigh unto the city when ye did fight? knew ye not that they would shoot from the wall? 21 Who smote Abimelech the son of Jerubbesheth? did not a woman cast a piece of a millstone upon him from the wall, that he died in Thebez? why went ye nigh the wall? then say thou, Thy servant Uriah the Hittite is dead also. 22 So the messenger went, and came and showed David all that Joab had sent him for. 23 And the messenger said unto David, Surely the men prevailed against us, and came out unto us into the field, and we were upon them even unto the entering of the gate. 24 And the shooters shot from off the wall upon thy servants; and some of the king's servants be dead, and thy servant Uriah the Hittite is dead also. 25 Then David said unto the messenger, Thus shalt thou say unto Joab, Let not this thing displease thee, for the sword devoureth one as well as another: make thy battle more strong against the city, and overthrow it: and encourage thou him. 26 And when the wife of Uriah heard that Uriah her husband was dead, she mourned for her husband. 27 And when the mourning was past, David sent and fetched her to his house, and she became his wife, and bare him a son. But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD.

 

So two things to notice from this chapter:

 

1- David commits illegal sex and a clear direct violation of God's law which is punishable by death

 

2- David purposely puts Uriah who is the husband of the lady he had illegal sex with right in the front lines to make sure he is killed

 

What was David’s punishment? You would assume David would be punished by God according to his own law, instead this is what God did :

 

2 SAMUEL 12: 11- 18:

 

¹¹ Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. ¹² For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. ¹³ And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. ¹⁴ Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

¹⁵ And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. ¹⁶ David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. ¹⁷ And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them. ¹⁸ And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died

Talk about compromising your own law! So note what Shamoun’s God did, instead of following the law which he placed for the people to follow, he compromised his law with David and let David off the hook, basically David got away with it, he should have been killed according to the law. However so, what did God do instead? He made David watch another men sleep with his wives, he made David’s son sick and as a result the kid died.

So there is one compromise for you Mr. Shamoun, and what a compromise it was. J

Now lets move to Jesus, since it is also documented that he compromised his own teachings:

 

Matthew 6: 5-8:

⁵ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. ⁶ But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. ⁷ But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. ⁸ Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

 

So note Jesus tells his followers to not pray in vain repetitions, don’t keep repeating yourself when your praying to God, don’t keep begging etc.

It seems Jesus could not live up to his own teaching according the NT:

 

Matthew 26: 36-43:

³⁶ Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. ³⁷ And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. ³⁸ Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. ³⁹ And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ⁴⁰ And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? ⁴¹ Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. ⁴² He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. ⁴³ And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. ⁴⁴ And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words

 

So note, Jesus uses vain repetitions! He went and prayed 3 times and each time he repeated the same thing to God, and in vain he did. So as you can see Jesus contradicted and compromised his own teaching!

So we now have two cases of compromise, first we saw Shamoun’s God compromise his own law, now we see Jesus ( who is also Sam’s God) compromise his teachings!

Finally Shamoun stated:

 

Did Jesus ever deny his Messiahship to gain access to the Temple? Did any true prophet of God ever compromise with the unbelievers in order to fulfill the will of God?

 

RESPONSE

Yes, your Jesus did something like that:

 

Matthew 8: 1-4:

¹ When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him. ² And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. ³ And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. ⁴ And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

 

So Shamoun, tell us why Jesus told the man to not tell anyone? Why did Jesus want to keep it hidden? Is God ever shy? This is worse than denying Messiahship, why would Jesus tell the man to tell no one? Jesus here was denying more things than just being a Messiah!

 

Matthew 16:20 :

²⁰ Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

So why was Jesus wanting to stay in secret? Is God shy? Are prophets shy to reveal what they can do?

Mar 7:36 And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published [it];

Why is Jesus doing this? Is God shy? What is Shamoun going to say? Is shamoun going to say ‘ Ah yes Jesus did this to avoid persecution, it was a smart move or else the unbelievers would want to kill him!’ Well that response doesn’t really work since Jesus’ idea backfired, the more Jesus told the men to stay quiet, the more Jesus became popular! So this plan was not working if there was any plan!

The prophet Muhammad did not address himself as a prophet to the Quraysh for the greater good, for the bigger picture, and it all worked out perfectly. One must ask why is Jesus telling the people to stay quiet? What is the goal? What is the intention? Instead of staying the quiet the men are spreading the news all over the place, so what is Jesus doing here? His plan isn’t working.

So I wonder what Shamoun has to say now, is God shy? So as you can see, Jesus did far more than just comprise his messiahship.

So in conclusion Shamoun’s challenge backfired badly against him. He shoot himself in the foot and put himself in this bad dilemma, and what a bad dilemma it is. There is one way out though, Shamoun can become a Muslim and be saved! So Shamoun, make the right choice, choose Islam, Islam is the truth.

 

Praise Allah!