Rebuttal to Gerhard Nehls article What

Jesus

Said

About

Himself

 

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http://./Nehls/Message/msgS.htm



In this rebuttal of mine all I will do is post the verses which Gerhard quotes, the reason I will do this is to simply show that Mr.Gerhard himself provides evidence that Jesus is NOT God thanks to the verses he himself posts.

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

His message comes from God and its truthfulness can be tested:

 

"My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own."

 

—John 7:16

 

 

 

 

My Response

 

Without a doubt this verse proves that Jesus is not God. Note the teaching he brings is not his, meaning the doctrine does not belong to him. It belongs to who? The True God.

 

Just like all other prophets, what they teach is not theirs, but God's. It is God's teaching and doctrine that there is no God but God. The fact that Jesus himself admitted that his teaching was not his proves he is not God, this means the doctrine was not his, meaning the Gospel was also not his but God's.

 

You would expect Jesus to have his OWN teaching and OWN Gospel or a shared one with God, but no, he clearly says it is NOT HIS and it COMES from the one who sent him. So it is not even being shared! It is only from the Father the true God.

 

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

God was always with Jesus:

 

"The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him."

 

—John 8:29

 

 

 

 

My Response

 

This verse also proves Jesus is not God. God was always with Jesus? So God was with God? No.

 

The only reason that God was always with Jesus was due to the simple fact of him being prophet, and God is always with his prophets. If Jesus was God he would not need God to always be with him since he is God and needs no help from anyone!

 

Also note Jesus says he does what pleases the Father, not the other way round. The Father does not do what pleases Jesus, but Jesus does what pleases the Father.

 

 

 

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

For us to do the work of God includes believing in Jesus:

 

"The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

 

—John 6:29

 

 

 

 

My Response

 

Exactly, even Muslims believe this. However so this is not limited on Jesus alone, for us to do the work of God we must also believe in Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and Ismael. And off course the prophet Muhammad.

 

 

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

To reject Jesus is to reject God.

 

"He who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

 

—Luke 10:16

 

 

 

 

 

My Response

 

Exactly. God sends his prophets, and tells you to obey them and believe in them, if you dont, this means you dis-obey God and to dis-obey God knowingly and intentionally is rejecting him.

 

If you reject Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, Abraham, and Isaac you will be rejecting God because God gave some of them books, and told you to believe in them.

 

 

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

He not only came to bring a message, but to fulfil a task.

 

"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost."

 

—Luke 19:10

 

 

 

 

My Response

 

Exactly. This is what all prophets did, come to save the lost people and bring them back to God.

 

 

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

Jesus' claim to be divine was as upsetting to the Jews as it is to many people today:

 

"Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these’, replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God’."

 

 

 

 

My Response

 

It is becoming hilariously funny that Christians always hold the opinion of the sinful Jews as being correct. Oh just because the Jews claimed Jesus making himself as God then it means they are correct and Jesus was doing just that. Such illogical thinking is absurd to say the least. So are we supposed to believe what every man says? According to such logic yes we are. Note how illogical this argument is:

 

1- Jews accused Jesus of making himself God

 

2- Therefore Jesus is God

 

If this is true then it would be like saying:

 

1- Jews stoned and killed prophets because they believed they were evil men

 

2- Therefore those prophets were indeed evil men

 

or:

 

1- A group of men claim I am a robber

 

2- Therefore I am a robber

 

What, will Christians deny such reasoning? Off course they will, but the sorry truth for them is that they follow such an absurd way of thinking.

 

It never occurred to Christians that maybe those Jews could be wrong? The Bible tells us that the Jews killed other prophets as well:

 

1 Thessalonians

Chapter 2

14-16:

 

For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

 

 

So note Jews killed other prophets. One must ask what did the Jews kill the other prophets for? Most likely for blasphemy, and they most likely accused them of the same thing with Jesus.

 

Secondly, instead of seeing what a bunch of sinful Jews thought of Jesus, why dont we look at what believers thought of Jesus, something you barely hear the Christians talk about.

 

Matthew

Chapter 16

13-14

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets

 

So Jesus basically asked his disciples a question, the question was what do men say about him, who do they say he is. Not of the things the people said about Jesus was that he was God, the men were saying Jesus was a prophet, John the Baptist or Elias or some others, non of them said he was God! Now these men are believers, because note if they were not they would have said Jesus is just a blasphemer or a devil, the fact that these men believe Jesus was a prophet or some other holy man means they did believe he is sent from God.

 

So why dont we look at what the true believers of Jesus thought him to be as not what the hypocrites did.

 

What now? Will you quote Thomas?

 

for the sake of argument let us assume that when Thomas said MY LORD AND MY GOD that he was referring to Jesus.

 

What does that prove? One disciple thought it, so what? So your going to believe Jesus is God because one disciple believed he was?

 

Judas who was also a disciple betrayed Jesus, now I don’t think he would betray a man who he thought to be God now would he?

 

Secondly, let us see what the other disciples thought of Jesus:

 

Matthew

Chapter 16

15-20

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Both terms Son of God and the term Messiah do not mean God.

http://answering-christianity.com/followers_of_yeshua.htm

 

Gerhard posts many other verses which don’t prove anything much and many of which have already been responded to:

http://answering-christianity.com/rebuttaltosamshamoun24.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/rebuttaltosamshamoun32.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_3.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_14.htm

http://answering-christianity.com/dkman.htm