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Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [
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Further Rebuttals to Jim about Fathers raping their daughters in the Bibles:

Jim-Defloration is the act of rupturing the hymen during sexual intercourse. Therefore the man can't stick his hand into the woman's vagina according to Mr. Abdallah. How can you have sexual intercourse and then stick your hand and a cloth at the same time in a woman's vagina. Make no sense does it? Then again most of Mr Abdallah's material makes no sense.

Osama- Who mentioned sexual intercourse here Jim?  The woman's virginity can be taken through a person's hands, a father's finger inside his daughter:

"There were, of course, others who might examine accused brides. Dwyer, 63, notes the role of doctors in modern Morocco. In pre-modern times this role was performed by midwives (see Westermarck, Marriage Ceremonies in Morocco, 229f.; Marcus, p. 324. M. Friedman, Ribbui Nashim Beyisra'el [Tel Aviv: Mosad Bialik etc., 1986], 169-170, 263). According to the Midrash Hagadol, Isaac himself examined Rebekah digitally before their marriage (Midrash Hagadol to Genesis 24:67 [ed. M. Margulies; Jerusalem: Mosad Harav Kook, 1967, 411]; according to Pirke Rabbi Eliezer, chap. 16, p. 38a, the examination consisted of digital defloration [ref. courtesy of my colleague, Prof. Judah Goldin]). According to the  aprocryphal Book of James, sec. 19-20, Mary was likewise examined digitally for virginity by Salome (New Testament Apocrypha, ed. E. Hennecke & W. Schneemelcher, 385; ref. courtesy of Prof. Tikva Frymer-Kensky and my colleague Prof. Robert A. Kraft)."

(http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jwst/4q159.htm)   [Note #13, read toward the end of the note]

To protect Mr. Jeffrey H. Tigay's article from vanishing one day on the internet as many valuable articles did before, I have copied his entire article on my site at: www.answering-christianity.com/accused_brides.htm.

Anyway, let us look the "digital defloration" key words in his quote:

Digital:  "\Dig"i*tal\, a. [L. digitals.] Of or performance to the fingers, or to digits; done with the fingers; as, digital compression; digital examination."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=digital)


Defloration:  "\Def`lo*ra"tion\, n. [LL. defloratio: cf. F. d['e]floration.] 1. The act of deflouring; as, the defloration of a virgin. --Johnson."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Defloration)

Also, Defloration mean:  "1. The act of deflowering.
                                       2. Rupture of the hymen, typically in sexual intercourse."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=defloration%20)

 
So in other words, digital defloration means inserting a finger or thumb into a female's vagina.  So when Salome himself did digital defloration to Mary (Jesus' mother), and Isaac "himself" did digital defloration to Rebekah, it means that both mentioned men had inserted their fingers into the mentioned female' vaginas.

  

Bibles' Glorified incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornications:

  
Song of Songs 8:1-3
  
1. Oh, I wish you were my brother, who nursed at my mother’s breasts. Then I could kiss you no matter who was watching, and no one would criticize me.
2 I would bring you to my childhood home, and there you would teach me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, my sweet pomegranate wine.
3 Your left arm would be under my head, and your right arm would embrace me.

  • "my sweet pomegranate wine"  Her wine is her vagina's wet and cum (audio clip).  He also did say that her vagina and breasts taste like "wine" (Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9).
  • Song of Solomon 3:4
    Then scarcely had I left them when I found my love! I caught and held him tightly, then I brought him to
    my mother’s house, into my mother’s bed, where I had been conceived.

    Song of Solomon 7:10-12
    10 I am my lover’s, and he claims me as his own.
    11 Come, my love, let us go out to the fields and spend the night among the wildflowers.
    12 Let us get up early and go to the vineyards to see if the grapevines have budded, if the blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates have bloomed. There I will give you my love
    (fornicate).

      

    Little sister & mom's bed:

    Song of Songs 8:8-9
    8
    We have a little sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister on the day she is spoken for?

    Song of Songs 8:8
    8
    Our sister is little, and hath no breasts. What shall we do to our sister in the day when she is to be spoken to?


    What shall you (plural) do with your little sister and her little breasts?  Let me guess:
      

    Deflower her in your mentioned mother's bed?

      


    Is the holy book of toilet further suggesting group incestuous rape of the little sister by her horny and holy-praised siblings?  The following LGBTQ flag is for incest.  How is it not appropriate for the fecal revelations of satan above that the Jews and Christians uphold above their heads as the Holy Words of "Gowwwwd"?

      



    ספר קודש של שירותים   
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    The Zionists Created LGBTQ: [1] [2]
      
      

      


    Incest Rape of Mary & Trinity Bed:

    The verse indeed calls for incest rape.  Here is the more accurate translation:

    Song of Songs 8:8  Our sister is little, and hath no breasts. What shall we do to our sister before the day she marries?

    The gospel of porn's slang translation:

    Our little sister (many Christians consider this pornographic book to be about the virgin Mary [2]) is increasingly becoming more and more sexually attractive, and her breasts (the more honest translation to what the praised perverts really meant is: boobs or tits) are beginning to bulge.  What must we do to our sister before she gets married off and gets deflowered by some husband, and gives him her precious virginity?  We are running out of time!!

     

       

    That is why I asked above:

    What shall you (plural) do with your little sister (Mary??) and her little breasts?  Again, let me guess:

    Deflower her in your mentioned mother's bed?!


    More on the
    trinity bed that the virgin Mary got deflowered in by her older siblings.


    Islam honors our Virgin Mother Mary, peace be upon her:
      




      

    The alcohol-less Baptist is greater than Jesus:

    John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, was greater than Jesus.  The NT calls Jesus a fat drunk "gluttonous, and a winebibber" (Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34).   Jesus was addicted to alcohol:

    winebibber
    wine·bib·ber
    /ˈwīnˌbibər/

    a habitual drinker of alcohol.

    Matthew 11:19 (NIV)
    19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."
      
    Luke 7:34 (NIV)
    34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.'



    "But wisdom is proved right by her deeds"?  What but wisdom is there when people see you drunk and stuffing your face and mouth with food like your life depended on it?  And what Wisdom is there in drinking and being drunk when Yahweh Almighty Himself, your GOD, despises it?  Hypocrisy and being false, and just wanting to be opposite, are now Wisdom?  What horrible health advice and butt-wisdom are you giving when you allow enjoying alcohol consumption?  People witnessed you regularly getting addicted and drunk.  Did not your toilet spirit teach you that alcohol seriously damages the human body?
      

           
    Of course it never did!
       (See Holy Spirit of Islam
    , and alcohol is forbidden in Islam)

      

    High Concentrations and Intoxication:


    Was Jesus also drunk when he decided to castrate and emasculate himself?  Yes, according to early Christians' writings, Jesus amputated his testicles and the head of his penis. 
      Was the barfing christ drunk??  It is nearly impossible for addicts to remain sober, and to genuinely think and speak responsibly.  All of that holy sh*t and sacred piss revealed from him had high concentrations of alcohol in them.  This explains Jesus' ample confusing and oxymoronic riddles in the NT that turned sinful into lawful and lawful into sinful (ex: pork became lawful; polygamy became sinful and many other examples).  He was not clear-headed (sober).  He was high on ample pooping and peeing himself alcoholic wisdom.  Jesus was also verbally abusive.  Was he walking down the streets at 2:00 am shouting and screaming insults at everyone while being drunk?  And again, was he pooping and peeing himself with some alcohol-heavy holy sh*t and sacred piss?  


    People also called him out on his lack of hygiene problems. 
    Jesus had disregard for personal hygiene (Matthew 15:1-2, Mark 7:1-5).  He emphasized that the outside filth is totally irrelevant.  He probably showered a lot less, had a stench for body odor, and was lice infested
     in his beard and hair, and throughout his clothes and body.  See what Islam says about personal hygiene.  Being physically smelly and filthy is satanic according to the Glorious Quran.  Jesus (the false Jesus of the NT, not the true Isa of Islam) and GOD are Heaven and Hell apart in this.  The NT also says GOD considers John the Baptist great because he never drank alcohol.




    Yahweh despised Jesus' wisdom:


    Jesus:  It is wisdom to drink, get drunk and barf for the sake of appeasing hypocrites and infidels.  I am powerless and desperate and want to commit this sin.  After all, satan also made me covet the sins of the world for 40 days and 40 nights.  I was between him and GOD during this period.  That was another wisdom.


    Yahweh:  You would not be a great person, nor pleasing to GOD if you drink alcohol.  You drink alcohol you would not be pleasing to GOD, nor would you be considered a great person by GOD.

    GOD despised Jesus' hypocritical wisdom that appeased evil and displeased GOD (Luke 1:15).

    Luke 1:15
    for he (John the Baptist) will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.

    So according to the New Testament itself, we have:

    1-  John the baptist.
    2-  Barf the baptist.   And I am told to dump Islam and to take this castrated and emasculated brain-stoned addict as my Creator??  The Jesus of Islam is the true Messiah  .

    Is John the Baptist another member of the barfinity?

      

     

      

      


    The invaded unwalled Israel Ezekiel prophecy by the Great Satan; not the Palestinians.


    Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.


    Woke is evil Israel's invention; from the same satanic cesspool:


         


    Woke is one of Israel's lies.
      9/11 is 100% an Israeli lie.

      

    X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
      

    Watch the video here.  Sam Shamoun exposes the sex scandals of many inside his inner circle.

      

      
    Their sister's vagina tastes like "wine"
    : [1] AUDIO clip
    (Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9).  The Bible praises, and even promotes, incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornications: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9].  Notice "no one would criticize me" (Song of Songs 8:1), above.  A husband and wife, or even a brother and sister, would not be criticized if people saw them walking to their home.  Clearly, this is not a husband and wife relationship.  And this is the pile of dung that Jews and Christians uphold as the Holy Word of GOD Almighty??

      

    Praised Incest:
      
    The Bibles praise fornications in
    incest-like descriptions.  The brothers, little sister and mother sexing, and the vaginas taste like "wine", and a praise for group incest rape in the gospel of LGBTQ, Woke and porn:
      

      
    Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1]  قول   (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed).  See also the 39+ members of trinity.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

      

    If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:



    Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings.  See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'.  Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.



    Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

    The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: 
    [1]

       


    Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

      

    Yet, Paul admits that he speaks through a lying spirit  (Romans 3:7  But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?), while Jesus promised all of the disciples that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths, and that it will not be them speaking, but the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul says he was lying.  12th disciple was also chosen by holy gambling

    Paul and his team of disciples were also calling Peter's team, - and vice versa, - anathema ἀνάθεμα (cursed by GOD), false, bewitched, dogs
    , and many other things.  Jesus' original message got corrupt from the false christianity and the deification of flesh and blood creations like Jesus, Mary and others like they used to do in ancient Europe in Greece, Rome, Byzantine and throughout ancient ancient Europe of three-headed gods and trinities, such as the trinity of Zeus, Athena and Apollo; also Hell's three-headed guardian dog, or the trinity of Delian, Artemis and Apollo and many other ancient trinities.  Only Islam completes GOD Almighty's Religion.  See ample prophecies.  Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).

      

    Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit


    Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.
      
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    "bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

    Eesa  is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor


    "...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

      

    Also Visit:

    Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit.

    Would GOD Almighty validate falsehood?  Yes.  In 2 Samuel 12:7-12, GOD validated and commanded open pornography between David's wives and all men in town in broad day light.  See many other examples of GOD Almighty validating and commanding lies in the Bibles to purposefully lead astray the false ones, who were supposed to be otherwise Believers, into Hell Fire.  Also visit the link given in this video for more.

    Was Adam 90 feet tall?  Science supports Islam's claims.

    Mankind multiplied via cloning from Adam, not incest [1]:  Evidence that Allah Almighty created the People of Adam through Cloning.  (html backup).  Another STUNNING Scientific Claim from Islam.

    Earth Cloning:  Evidence from the Quran that Allah Almighty Created the 7 Heavens and all of their Earths from Cloning.

    See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:

    www.google.com/search?q=What+are+all+the+pronouns+used+by+Lgbtq
    www.google.com/search?q=all+lgbtq+pronouns
    www.google.com/search?q=the+transgender+pronouns
    www.google.com/search?q=lgbt+hundreds+of+pronouns+animal+human
    www.google.com/search?q=non+binary+pronouns

    The links above are for LGBTQ pronouns.

      

    Human cloning and gender alteration were prophesied in Islam.

      

    Alteration of Creation Prophecy in Quran:

    The somatic cells from the ears are the most preferred ones to make cloning:  "...but somatic cells from ear clippings will be much easier to obtain and are therefore preferable."  (Source, 2, pdf (page 13 in PDF, page 4 in article)).  Notice the two phases of satan's future temptation to mankind.  Notice ولامرنهم (and I will command them) is mentioned twice for two different phases:

    Noble Verse(s) 4:119
    Arabic (Read from right to left.  Also, all png image files: [1] [2].  Quran Moral Code (100s of them)]):

    4:119 ولاضلنهم ولامنينهم ولامرنهم فليبتكن اذان الانعام ولامرنهم فليغيرن خلق الله ومن يتخذ الشيطان وليا من دون الله فقد خسر خسرانا مبينا

    Rodwell:

    [004:119]  and will lead them astray, and will stir desires within them, and will command them and they shall cut the ears of animals (phase 1: Dolly the sheep and cloning research); and I will further command them, and they shall alter the creation of God (phase 2: Cloning industry, LGBTQ, transgenders, Woke, gender alteration, they-them, he-she, she-he, Ze/Zir, Xe/Xem, Sie/Hir, They/Them, (any animal)/human, (any it)/human, etc...)." He who taketh Satan rather than God for his patron, is ruined with palpable ruin:

     

      

    Cloning began with the cutting of animals' ears:

    Satan's big battle with GOD Almighty is to cause so much evil, among them is to "cut the cattle's ears and to then further command them to alter the creation of Allah" (4:119), i.e., cloning (as this is how it began today) [1]

    Transgenders also began after Dolly the sheep's cloning.  LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) are covered below in this article.  Today they're even researching making males get pregnant, or at least plant fertilized female eggs inside them and grow the fetuses into babies.

    The alteration of Allah Almighty's creations indeed began with the cutting of the animals' ears and extracting the necessary somatic cells from them.  Dolly the sheep was the first creation to ever be cloned:

    "Dolly was a female domestic sheep, and the first mammal cloned from an adult somatic cell, using the process of nuclear transfer." (Source)

    "...but somatic cells from ear clippings will be much easier to obtain and are therefore preferable."  (Source, 2, pdf (page 13 in PDF, page 4 in article))

    Ample more quotes are below in this articleIn the pdf file, we read:

        

      

    Evidence that Allah Almighty created the People of Adam through Cloning in the Glorious Quran.  (html backup).  Cloning is mentioned in multiple places in the Glorious Quran [1], and is one of the End of Times Prophecies as well.  Cloning is definitely NOT a foreign concept in the Glorious Quran.

    Please visit:

  • The Overwhelming Numerical and Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.
  • The Quran's and Islam's Amazing Prophecies.
      
    Stunning Prophecies [2] [3]
      

    Sheikh Hamza Yusuf (Muslim convert Mark Hanson) [1] [2] on some of Islam's most STUNNING End of Times Prophecies [1] [2] including ISIS:

         

    Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

      

    Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).

      



    See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:







    See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy.
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    Remember:

    If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:



    Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings.  See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'.  Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.



    Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

    The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: 
    [1]

       


    Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

      

    Yet, Paul admits that he speaks through a lying spirit  (Romans 3:7  But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?), while Jesus promised all of the disciples that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths, and that it will not be them speaking, but the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul says he was lying.  12th disciple was also chosen by holy gambling

    Paul and his team of disciples were also calling Peter's team, - and vice versa, - anathema ἀνάθεμα (cursed by GOD), false, bewitched, dogs
    , and many other things.  Jesus' original message got corrupt from the false christianity and the deification of flesh and blood creations like Jesus, Mary and others like they used to do in ancient Europe in Greece, Rome, Byzantine and throughout ancient ancient Europe of three-headed gods and trinities, such as the trinity of Zeus, Athena and Apollo; also Hell's three-headed guardian dog, or the trinity of Delian, Artemis and Apollo and many other ancient trinities.  Only Islam completes GOD Almighty's Religion.  See ample prophecies.  Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).

      

    Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit


    Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.
      
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    "bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

    Eesa  is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor


    "...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

      

       

    Allah Almighty quoted satan telling Him, the Almighty, in the Glorious Quran the following:

    4:119 ولاضلنهم ولامنينهم ولامرنهم فليبتكن اذان الانعام ولامرنهم فليغيرن خلق الله ومن يتخذ الشيطان وليا من دون الله فقد خسر خسرانا مبينا

    [004:119]  and (1) will lead them astray ولاضلنهمand (2) will stir desires within them ولامنينهمand (3) will command them ولامرنهم and (4) they shall cut the ears of animals فليبتكن اذان الانعامand (5) I will command them ولامرنهم to alter the creation of God فليغيرن خلق الله ." He who taketh Satan rather than God for his patron, is ruined with palpable ruin:

    Satan will:

    1-  Lead astray.
    2-  Stir desires.
    3-  Will command the evil ones.
    4-  They will cut the animals' ears.
    5-  Then proceed to alter the creation of GOD Almighty.

      
    Notice the fifth "and":

    (5) and I will command them ولامرنهم  to alter the creation of God فليغيرن خلق الله ."

      

    Human cloning and gender alteration were prophesied in Islam.

    Evidence from the Quran that Allah Almighty Created the 7 Heavens and all of their Earths from Cloning.

      

         
      

    Masturbating on his sister:

    Now let me ask the horny creep in Song of Songs 8:8-9How many times have you already masturbated on your sister in your thoughts?  And did you also fantasize about your mother and her bed? 

    Again, this is the pile of dung that Jews and Christians uphold as the Holy Word of GOD Almighty??

      

  • Matthew 7:22-23GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit.


    Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.
      
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    "bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

    Eesa  is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor


    "...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)
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    Fabricating books:

    Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

    "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.  (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"

    www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

      

    Bride is not wife:

    In the Middle East, there is no "boyfriend" and "girlfriend".  If two are spoken of, or if two fall in love and want to get married, then the guy would call her his bride.  This is close enough to a fiancée.  So in this gospel of porn, when he calls her his "bride", he's not calling her his wife as the barking sodomized-by-their-priests proclaim.  It's a relationship between a boyfriend and a girlfriend.  "Bride" is a Semitic language metaphor.  In this gospel of porn, it is referring to his girlfriend.  In the chaste world of Islam, a wife is one who had sexual intercourse with her husband.  She now changed from being a bride to a wife.  A bride has not yet had sex with her groom.  They have not yet married.

    Song of Songs 4:8-12
    8 Come with me from Lebanon, my bride, come with me from Lebanon. Descend from the crest of Amana, from the top of Senir, the summit of Hermon, from the lions' dens and the mountain haunts of the leopards.
    9 You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace.
    10 How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!
    11 Your lips drop sweetness as the honeycomb, my bride; milk and honey are under your tongue. The fragrance of your garments is like that of Lebanon.
    12 You are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride; you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain.

    Visit the following X-Rated pornography in the Bible article to see ample verses that thoroughly demonstrate that they were incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornicators:

  • Jesus problematic hyperboles.  Sinful became lawful, and lawful became sinful.
  • Jesus coveted the sins of the world for 40 days and nights.
  • Anal sex is forbidden in Islam.
  • X-Rated Pornography in the Bible section.
  • Incestuous fantasies are allowed and praised in the gospel of porn (bible).
  • The Bible praises incestuous-like boyfriend-girlfriend fornications.
  • Bride is Wife?  She's a girlfriend or fiancée in the Middle East's context.
  • Isaiah's prophecy about the Jews will worship the pornographic goddess Asherah during the end of times.
  • X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

  • Christian holy women (i.e., pornography).  Countless sacred pictures with holy crosses.
  • Miss California's Nude Pictures: Being "Biblically Correct".
  • Women in the Bible and Islam.
  • His 5.5 inches penis vs. his former wife lover's 7 inches according to him.  (video).
      
    Sam Shamoun's obsession with penis sizes on his wife and himself.(Video)
      

     
    Watch the video here.
      
    Sam Shamoun exposes the
    sex scandals of many inside his inner circle.  It seems that so many inner holy men wanted to get inner with his wife according to him, and so many were cheating on their marriages, from men and women, according to his testimony.  Watch the video here.  Hassamo fartoon whose real name is Hassamo Shamoun (aka Sam Shamoun) is also obsessed with penis sizes, even on his wife and himself.  How many women did Sam Shamoun fornicate with?  We never heard this fraud answer this one.


    Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.
      
      Jesus permitted for church members to have sex with each other.
     
     Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny.
     

    Paul proves the book of Revelation is a forgery; a book of misogyny:

      

    Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).

      



    Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.




    See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women:







    See also Islam's End of Times Prophecy about world-wide movements to corrupt the women, and also gender alteration and creation alteration Islamic Prophecy:



    Quran: All Bibles are mostly corrupt [1]  قول   (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed).  See also the 39+ members of trinity.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

      

    Remember:

    If Paul is false, then Jesus is insufficient:



    Sam Shamoun thoroughly demolishes trinity and the early bibles' writings.  See also: 24 other thrones besides Jesus'.  Virgin Mary is being group-incest-raped by some trinity members.



    Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

    The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: 
    [1]

       


    Paul commanded women to not expose sex predators in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:11-13, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 1 Corinthians 2:15 and other passages.

      

    Yet, Paul admits that he speaks through a lying spirit  (Romans 3:7  But if through my lie God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?), while Jesus promised all of the disciples that the Holy Spirit will take over the disciples' mouths, and that it will not be them speaking, but the Holy Spirit. Yet, Paul says he was lying.  12th disciple was also chosen by holy gambling

    Paul and his team of disciples were also calling Peter's team, - and vice versa, - anathema ἀνάθεμα (cursed by GOD), false, bewitched, dogs
    , and many other things.  Jesus' original message got corrupt from the false christianity and the deification of flesh and blood creations like Jesus, Mary and others like they used to do in ancient Europe in Greece, Rome, Byzantine and throughout ancient ancient Europe of three-headed gods and trinities, such as the trinity of Zeus, Athena and Apollo; also Hell's three-headed guardian dog, or the trinity of Delian, Artemis and Apollo and many other ancient trinities.  Only Islam completes GOD Almighty's Religion.  See ample prophecies.  Bibles' manuscripts prove that Jesus was only sent for a limited Generation, as he himself stated, and his final return from the east (Matthew 24:25-27) is a new Covenant from Arabia and Islam; also false christs and prophets during and after Jesus [1] [2] at the time (see also Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus).

      

    Matthew 7:22-23: GOD sent Jesus to be Christianity's lying spirit


    Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.
      
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    "bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah

    Eesa  is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor


    "...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)

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    Is the Bible a womanizer for allowing polygamy in NT and OT? [1]

    Some amazing Bible thumping quacks declare Islam a womanizing religion for allowing polygamy for up to four wives, while polygamy has no limits in the OT and NT:

      

    Jesus allowed polygamy:

    Matthew 19
    9. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman
    a similar commits adultery.

    Notice "another woman" got crossed. This is because the word "woman" is not there in the Greek, and the word for "another" also means similar. If we look at the Greek in https://biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/19-9.htm, we'll find this:

      

    ἄλλην (allēn) 243: other, another

    If you click on 243, you'll see its definition: "another of the same kind; another of similar type."


    (Click on image to enlarge)

    It is quite ludicrous that the one and only verse that prohibits polygamy is not even talking about polygamy.  Jesus warned against marrying already-married women irrespective of whether the man is single or married.  This is further proven in:

      

    Matthew 5:31-32
    31 "It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'
    32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness,
    causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

    A man can marry multiple women, while the woman can only marry one man.  Here Jesus warns that unlawful divorces will cause women, who would still be remaining married while thinking they've been divorced, to commit adultery.  They would still be married to their former husbands.

    Keep in mind also that the men that Jesus was speaking to had many polygamists amongst them.  So if Jesus was to prohibit polygamy, he would've said that if any married man after today marries another woman then he commits adultery.  But no, he didn't even talk about polygamy at all.

      

    Polygamy was Commanded by GOD:

    In the OT, polygamy is not only allowed, but it was also commanded by GOD in some cases [1].

      
      

    Paul and Jesus allowed polygamy:

    Paul also allowed polygamy to the masses, and Jesus in other verses also allowed it to the masses.  This is further discussed at: www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm.  This article thoroughly proves that polygamy is indeed allowed in the New Testament, and that Christianity is built on false inspirations and "conjecture", exactly as Allah Almighty said in the Glorious Quran [1] about the religion of conjecture [1], Christianity.  Again, it is quite ludicrous that the one and only verse that prohibits polygamy is not even talking about polygamy.  This false religion of conjecture makes sinful things lawful and lawful things sinful [2] [3].  And that in itself is a blasphemy against GOD Almighty.

      

      
    Islam is the Divine Truth:

    Islam is GOD Almighty's Divine Truth.  To be 100% sure about this, visit:

  • The Glorious Quran's STUNNING Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
  • What is Islam?
  • Marriage in Islam.  Early-Islam's Muta marriage [1] is also covered here.
      
  • From www.answering-christianity.com/quran_moral_code.htm:

    245 Womanizing and womanizers are condemned in the Glorious Quran.  Allah Almighty said:

    "It is not lawful for you (to marry other) women after this, nor to change them for other wives even though their beauty attracts you, except those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses. And Allah is Ever a Watcher over all things.  (The Noble Quran, 33:52)"

    Throughout the entries above, we've seen how Allah Almighty commanded the Muslim men and women to:

    1-  Be always chaste.
    2-  To lower their gazes.
    3-  To never be sexually enticing or tempting.
    4-  To never even put disbelievers into any trial or temptation.
    5-  To always be upright and a great moral example to all of mankind.
    6-  To always do what is right and condemn what is wrong.

    Islam does not condone womanizers.  Neither the Prophet was a womanizer, nor does Islam condone womanizing.  Islam honors marriage and considers its covenant to be a "Solemn Covenant". (ميثاقا غليظا).  This ميثاقا غليظا  was mentioned three times throughout the Glorious Quran:

    1-  The ميثاقا غليظا that Allah Almighty took between Him and His Prophets.

    2-  The ميثاقا غليظا that Allah Almighty took with the Jews on the holiness of the Sabbath.

    3-  The ميثاقا غليظا between the husband and the wife in Islam.

    See Noble Verses 4:21, 4:154, 33:7.

    33:52, 4:21, 4:154, 33:7

      

      

      

      

    Minority Christians still do it even today in Europe!

    From www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm   (section #8)

    The following two posts were sent to me by Anna C., may Allah Almighty further Lead her to Islam.  Ameen.  They contain a link that has a story about old-fashion Christians in Europe practicing this Biblical law.  For the sake of readability, the structure of every post that is stored on my site is as follows:

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    Anna C.

    <I decided not to reveal her email address>

    https://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

    3/14/2005

    I think, on the issue of fathers digitally raping their daughters, that it would also be interesting to note that this custom was also practiced by the Gypsies that lived in the Iberian Peninsula.

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    Anna C.

    <I decided not to reveal her email address>

    https://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

    3/14/2005

    http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm  

    I meant nothing ill by the comment, I just found it interesting to note that this was also practiced elsewhere.

    Thank you for your time!

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    Note:  Because I realize that this contribution by Anna C. will offend many of the Islam-hating Jews and Christians, I decided to keep her email address anonymous.

    The link above contains the following quotes:

    "But the gypsy wedding I attended was all rejoicing and beauty - albeit of a rather uncivilised kind, which made it all the more exciting. The lovely 17 year old bride, our neighbour Paqui, walked down from El Coro (our gypsy neigbourhood) in a cloud of white chiffon on the arm of her father, Conejo (Rabbit, as he is known), between two rows of admiring neighbours - even the payos came out to gape. In the great round church, the mothers of bride and groom stood by the altar until the priest had finished his standard sermon and then, with great feeling, sang lamenco marriage chants into the microphone, one of which, I remember, spoke of the union of "gitano con gitana". As they left the church, a white dove was released into the air, a symbol of the bride's purity, soon to fly away."

    .........

    "Paqui was then taken away by the two mothers and an old gypsy woman with a great mane of white hair, who, it was explained to me, was a virginity examiner (the actual expression for what she does is sacar la honra, or "display the honour"), who had been brought especially all the way from Cadiz, at great expense: 100,000 pesetas for the night's work, which is more than the minimum monthly wage. The reason why the sacaora, as she is known, has to come from so far away is, they said, to ensure her impartiality...

    An hour later the three women and Paqui (who looked sheepishly proud, as if she had just been awarded her high school diploma) were back: the "judge" entered the church screaming and holding up a large white handkerchief embroidered in each corner with three red roses (this is because, generations ago, three corners of the handkerchief were twisted together to form a lancet which actually deflowered the girl, and came out stained in blood). I drew closer and could observe that there was a yellowish stain in the middle of the handkerchief, which showed signs of having been creased. The current, more "civilised" procedure is for the judge to wrap the handkerchief around her finger and introduce it in the vagina to feel, rather than break the hymen."

    (http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm......the color, underline and bold emphasis added above are mine)


    As we clearly see above, those Gypsy minority in Europe are Christians, and among those Christians, the digital defloration of virgin women before marriage is still practiced even until today!

     

     

     

    This latest addition by itself soundly refutes all of Jim's points!

     

     

     

    Jim-Actually the Hagadol doesn't say anything of this nature. This isn't a quote, you say according to the Hagadol, however you didn't quotethe Hagagol. Show me exactly what the quote says and then show me the link where you got the quote so I can examine for myself.

    Osama- Read http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jwst/4q159.htm, Note #13, read toward the end of the note.

    Osama- According to the apocryphal Book of James, sec. 19-20, Mary was likewise (through the act of deflowering) examined for virginity by Salome (New Testament Apocrypha, ed E. Hennecke & W. Schneemelcher, 385; ref. courtesy of Prof. Tikva Frymer-Kensky and Jeffrey H. Tigay, University of Pennsylvania and Prof. Robert A. Kraft).

    Osama- I know very well that the Iraqi, Iranian, Moroccan and Egyptian Jews in the old days used to do it; the father sticks his two fingers into his daughter's vagina covered in a piece of cloth and then he goes outside and shows everyone that she is virgin by displaying the bloody cloth before his daughter's actual marriage in few hours.

    jim-Also I believe you didn't read my post real well since I have already discussed deflowering, your quote never mentioned deflowering, you did in the parentheis, here is my discussion on deflowering which you didn't bother to address:

    def·lo·ra·tion (dfl-rshn)

    n.

    1.The act of deflowering.

    2.Rupture of the hymen, typically in sexual intercourse.

    Osama- I already addressed this above.  It is DIGITAL DEFLORATION, and not just defloration Jim!

    Jim-Defloration is the act of rupturing the hymen during sexual intercourse. Therefore the man can't stick his hand into the woman's vagina according to Mr. Abdallah. How can you have sexual intercourse and then stick your hand and a cloth at the same time in a woman's vagina. Make no sense does it? Then again most of Mr Abdallah's material makes no sense. Here is the definition of deflowering:

    de·flow·er (d-flour)

    tr.v. de·flow·ered, de·flow·er·ing, de·flow·ers

    1.To take away the virginity of (a woman).

    2.To destroy the innocence, integrity, or beauty of; ravage.

    Osama- Again, read above definitions for "digital defloration Jim.  It's not just talking about defloration alone.

    Jim-Deflowering dealing with sex is physically taking away a woman's virginity through sexual intercourse unless Mr. ABdallah is saying that having sex can be done with a cloth now. I'm sure the sexual educators and the medical doctors would love to hear this. Deflowering can't be after sexual intercourse and Mr. Abdallah's statments itself disproves his point, look at the first words of deuteronomy 22:13-18

    If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her

    Jim-What do we see at the beginning of this topic.

    1. the man presenting the cloth after laying with his wife.

    According to Mr. Abdallah this is deflowering (deflower) according to what deflower means

    1. Taking away the virginity, hence having sex to do this.

    2. rupturing the hymen through sexual intercourse

    What does the verse say:

    AFTER SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.

    Mr. Abdallah if deflowering is during intercourse why do you have to intentionally change the definition to make it after intercouse? If we accept Mr. Abdallah's statments as valid, then deflowering wouldn't be deflowering which would make his definition and his whole paper wrong.

    Osama- I am not changing the definition of the word here.  If you visit the link that I gave you above, then you will see that male biblical figures have done it to females in the past without sexual intercourse.  They did it through "digital defloration".  DO YOU KNOW WHAT DIGITAL DEFLORATION MEANS??

    Jim-You claimed that the above examples along with the apocraphyl quote verfied your point as being deflowering, however you didn't quote any of these specific sources ,you said according too, etc. Reposting didn't help you. You still failed to explain the above points one by one as to how it would be deflowering.

    Osama- Well now you have them.  Visit the link that I provided above.


    Jim-You didn't quote a single referenece, you said according to, but what is it according to Mr. Abdallah? I see no specific quote which explictedly said that this was deflowering. How can you a deflower someone when deflowering is the rupturing of the hymen during sexual intercourse. Do you use a cloth to have sex with a woman mr. Abdallah? Aparently you have no legitamate answer.

    Osama- The proof to everything I said is in the link that I provided above.

    Jim- Mr. Abdallah-if you still do not believe me then go and seek it among OLD MIDDLE EASTERN Jews for yourself

    Jim-Rabbi Finkelstein From Jews for Judaism

    I appreciate your challenge to ask a Jew or a rabbi about the alleged checking of women's virginity by the father. I understand that as a Muslim, you would endeavor to prove that the Torah of the Jews is corrupt. That is part of Muslim teaching, that only the Koran is the accurate word of G-d. I have no problem respecting your beliefs and your efforts to prove them.

    However, like most untruths, your allegations are only partially correct. Yes, Jewish law allows the man to claim that a marriage was under false pretexts if he finds her to not be verginal. She can prove her virginity by displaying a cloth ON WHICH the couple had relations. Very few communities do this, but it could be done.

    Nowhere does it say that the father must check personally. That is patently false. Women do check themselves internally on a monthly basis as well as before the wedding night to make sure they are not spotting or menstruant. The Torah does prohibit cohabitation during menstruating and for seven days after onset...

    Jim-Mr. Abdallah your claim is false and untrue and no rabbinical Jew or Middle eastern Jew would ever agree with what you claim. As I mentioned before, you have no purpose for being truthful.

    Also, using your own personal common sense, explain to me what the Bible means by "her parents shall display the cloth" and its relationship to the girl's virginity? If the husband is the one to take his wife's virginity through sexual intercourse, then what would having the girl's parents displaying "the cloth" have anything to do with it? >You might then think, then how would the husband be able to know whether his wife was ever touched by another man if her father took her virginity away from her before marriage? >My answer to this question is that some men can tell by instinct whether their wives had previous relationships before when they sleep with their wives. This however is very difficult and doesn't apply to all men, especially when their wives are good in faking it. In the old Jewish culture (which was inserted into the Bible as a DIVINE REVELATION FROM GOD ALMIGHTY) fathers were to take their daughters' virginity and must keep the bloody cloth for as long as their daughters were married as a solid proof. >That is why the Bible mentions "the cloth" and orders the parents to use it as a proof. Using your own common sense, the cloth would not be a clean one like anyone you have at home. It has to be a bloody one.

    Jim-Your lack of knowledge on defloweration and the inability to ask a Jew who would substantiate your claim proves that you really don't know anything credible about Christianity or Judaism. There are many good religious schools to learn on a religion, do yourself a favor and enroll in one of them.

    Osama- Well the Rabbi that you consulted doesn't know everything about what Rabbis did thousands of years ago.  There isn't one set law of Talmud.  There are many laws written by many Rabbis.  While I respect his point of view, I must remind him that male biblical figures indeed did the practice of "digital defloration"; taking a female's virginity without sexual intercourse (i.e., through their fingers) before marriage.

    Osama- Why would fathers do that?

    Osama- According to the Bible, back in the old Biblical days, if a girl commits fornication, she would bring a big shame to the family.  The family would lose their reputation and respect in the town.   That is why you see Biblical verses such as the following:

    "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.   (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 21:9)"

    "...and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible, Ecclesiasticus 22:3)

    "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a MALE child: then she shall be unclean SEVEN DAYS; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying THIRTY THREE days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a FEMALE child, then she shall be unclean TWO WEEKS, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying SIXTY SIX days.  (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 12:2-5)"

     

    Jim-First this isn't a paraphrase from biblical laws it is a paraphrase of certain jewish laws another theing, none of your sentences are complete enough to offer any legitamate conclusion. Show us the entire sentences MR Abdallah then we will see if what you claim is satisfactory. Even scholars don't try to inteprete fragmatory manuscripts until they can tie it to more supporting evidence. Another flawed idea.

    Osama- Actually the link I provided above clearly confirms this.


    Jim-From the small quoting that we have from Mr. Abdallah it says

    Osama- and if he has not lied about her, she shall be executed

    Jim-If the man hasn't lied then would this occur. If we take Mr. Abdallah's methodology we must 1. allow people to lie 2. Have the man punished because of the woman's lie 3. If we agree that this is hardship then we must intentionally be agreeing with someone who lies

    Jim-Its strange how these above 3 pointers seem to fit Mr. Abdallah real well.

    Osama- Jim, I won't answer your dumb cheap remarks for you obviously lack a great deal of knowledge about the Jewish old laws and how vicious they were to women.  I'll let you visit the link I provided above to see the proof for yourself.

    Osama- So as a protection for the bride's life and her family's honor, the parents would keep the bloody cloth as a proof for her virginity for as long as she lives.

    Osama- As I said, I know well that in the old Jewish culture in the Middle East, it was a common practice among them in Iran, Iraq, Morocco and Egypt.

    Jim-Actually if you don't know what deflowering really means than how are we supposed to believe that you know anything about Jewish culture.

    Osama- I am not trying to make fun of the Jewish culture. The purpose of this article is not to make fun of them. I just want to expose the man made corruption that was illegally inserted in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

    Jim-Actually what you claim doesn't exist in Jewish culture. Also if it is in their culture

    1. how does this expose so-called man made corruption? 2. What if this was in their culture and the bible wasn't corrupted? 3. What is the correct way to go about this, if deflowering occurs based on culture practice then it prove that a religious text is wrong?

    1. These are the logical fallacies of red herring, fallacy of equivocation and begging the Questions. Your points make no sense and no religious scholar or any credible person would even embarrass themselves for arguing from this point.

    Osama- Everything I said was correct, because it is backed up by facts.  Unlike your shallow answers, you don't use any resource to debunk my points.  How funny indeed Jim.

    Osama- Many cultures had weird things against women and humanity. Take for instance the Hindus. It used to be part of their traditions/pagan religion to literally burn the woman ALIVE if her husband dies. They believed that if he dies, then her spirit needs to be connected with his, and by burning her ALIVE they would accomplish that. Ironically however, when the woman dies, then her husband doesn't get burnt alive nor gets executed nor even gets hurt. The man simply lives if his wife dies, but the woman gets burnt alive if her husband dies. This Hindu tradition is called the "Sati" tradition. Have the Indian government not banned it, then we would still see it practiced today.

     

     

     

    Again, minority Christians still do it even today in Europe!

    From www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm   (section #8)

    The following two posts were sent to me by Anna C., may Allah Almighty further Lead her to Islam.  Ameen.  They contain a link that has a story about old-fashion Christians in Europe practicing this Biblical law.  For the sake of readability, the structure of every post that is stored on my site is as follows:

    Name
    Email
    Subject
    Date
    (automatically populated)
    Content


    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Anna C.

    <I decided not to reveal her email address>

    https://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

    3/14/2005

    I think, on the issue of fathers digitally raping their daughters, that it would also be interesting to note that this custom was also practiced by the Gypsies that lived in the Iberian Peninsula.

    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Anna C.

    <I decided not to reveal her email address>

    https://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

    3/14/2005

    http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm  

    I meant nothing ill by the comment, I just found it interesting to note that this was also practiced elsewhere.

    Thank you for your time!

    --------------------------------------------------------------

     

    Note:  Because I realize that this contribution by Anna C. will offend many of the Islam-hating Jews and Christians, I decided to keep her email address anonymous.

    The link above contains the following quotes:

    "But the gypsy wedding I attended was all rejoicing and beauty - albeit of a rather uncivilised kind, which made it all the more exciting. The lovely 17 year old bride, our neighbour Paqui, walked down from El Coro (our gypsy neigbourhood) in a cloud of white chiffon on the arm of her father, Conejo (Rabbit, as he is known), between two rows of admiring neighbours - even the payos came out to gape. In the great round church, the mothers of bride and groom stood by the altar until the priest had finished his standard sermon and then, with great feeling, sang lamenco marriage chants into the microphone, one of which, I remember, spoke of the union of "gitano con gitana". As they left the church, a white dove was released into the air, a symbol of the bride's purity, soon to fly away."

    .........

    "Paqui was then taken away by the two mothers and an old gypsy woman with a great mane of white hair, who, it was explained to me, was a virginity examiner (the actual expression for what she does is sacar la honra, or "display the honour"), who had been brought especially all the way from Cadiz, at great expense: 100,000 pesetas for the night's work, which is more than the minimum monthly wage. The reason why the sacaora, as she is known, has to come from so far away is, they said, to ensure her impartiality...

    An hour later the three women and Paqui (who looked sheepishly proud, as if she had just been awarded her high school diploma) were back: the "judge" entered the church screaming and holding up a large white handkerchief embroidered in each corner with three red roses (this is because, generations ago, three corners of the handkerchief were twisted together to form a lancet which actually deflowered the girl, and came out stained in blood). I drew closer and could observe that there was a yellowish stain in the middle of the handkerchief, which showed signs of having been creased. The current, more "civilised" procedure is for the judge to wrap the handkerchief around her finger and introduce it in the vagina to feel, rather than break the hymen."

    (http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm......the color, underline and bold emphasis added above are mine)


    As we clearly see above, those Gypsy minority in Europe are Christians, and among those Christians, the digital defloration of virgin women before marriage is still practiced even until today!

     

     

     

    Again, this latest addition by itself soundly refutes all of Jim's points!

     

     

     

    Jim-Red herring, what does this have to do with Jewish culture, Islam or the bible. Diversion of attention, shows that argument is unprovable and flawed from the beginning.

    Osama- Just trying to further expose the other religions and show that Islam is truly the best Way of Life and GOD Almighty's True Religion.

    Osama- Another example is the Pagan Arabs before Islam. My ancestors more than 1400 years ago used to bury their daughters ALIVE at the age of 2 to 4, because for many of them giving birth to females used to be shameful and would bring disgrace to the family/tribe! Islam came and stopped all of that and Muslims fought many bloody battles against the 365 Arab pagan tribes for many reasons, because Islam came and called for an end to many of the uncivilized traditions that they used to practice.

    Jim-However Islam didn't call an end to men marrying children. This was a cultural norm too from the pagan arabs. Also what were these uncivilized traditions that Islam stopped? Give detailed information, quoting from credible secular, and islamic sources. Its very easy to claim something without proving it.

    Osama- It's funny how you mentioned this when your porn-full bible's Theologians and Historians claim that Mary got pregnant at the age of 12.  So she too was a "child" when she got pregnant.  As to Prophet Muhammad's marriage, I debunked every single bogus point raised against him at:  Prophet Muhammad's Marriage with Aisha peace be upon her.

    Osama- This pagan Arab culture (of burrying daughters alive) reminds me of the Verse in the Roman Catholic Bible that says "...and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible, Ecclesiasticus 22:3)"

    Jim-Actually no such thing occurs in the Catholic Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). There is no Ecclesiasticus 22:3. Show us one link over the internet where we can find such s criptures. You copied this from sites such as

    http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/w_islam/shdaut.htm   http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/women.html

    Osama- Again Jim, you proved that you are ignorant and lack a great deal of knowledge about the bible.  Did you bother to check the New Jerusalem Bible? Here is the book information that contains the verse Ecclesiasticus 22:3:

    The New Jerusalem Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
    Published by Doubleday, A division of Bantam Doubleday, Dell Publishing Group, Inc.
    1540 Broadway, New York, New York 10036.
    ISBN: 0-385-14264-1 (Regular Edition).
    ISBN: 0-385-46961-6 (Deluxe Edition).

    Jim, you are truly a big joke, with all due respect, because you make very uneducated claims which result in making you look like a dummy.

    Osama- And in the regular Bible, it reminds me of the Verse that says giving birth to females causes double the filth (Leviticus 12:2-5), and fathers can literally sell their daughters as slave-girls to other men (Exodus 21:7-8). >Inserting cultural garbage into a Holy Scripture and call it GOD's Divine Revelation would be the greatest insult to GOD Almighty, and I as a devoted Muslim who Fasts the Holy Month of Ramadan, Pray to Allah Almighty, pay 2.5% of my income for Islamic Zakah (Taxes) to help the poor and do righteousness as much as possible have a great deal of problem with that! >As for the Bible, sticking your middle finger (sorry to say that) into your daughter's vagina is not GOD's command! It is a corruption. The Old Testament is not the only Book that has many corruptions in it. The New Testament has it too. Check out the validity of the New Testament, the so called "GOD's inspired Book" to see if it's indeed a Divine Book.

    Jim-Maybe I should remind you of this

    "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe." S. 2:223

    The reason why this verse was &#8220;revealed&#8221; is given in Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2159:

    Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

    Ibn Umar misunderstood (the Qur'anic verse, "So come to your tilth however you will")--may Allah forgive him. The fact is that this clan of the Ansar, who were idolaters, lived in the company of the Jews who were the people of the Book. They (the Ansar) accepted their superiority over themselves in respect of knowledge, and they followed most of their actions. The people of the Book (i.e. the Jews) used to have intercourse with their women on one side alone (i.e. lying on their backs). This was the most concealing position for (the vagina of) the women. This clan of the Ansar adopted this practice from them. But this tribe of the Quraysh used to uncover their women completely, and seek pleasure with them from in front and behind and laying them on their backs.

    When the muhajirun (the immigrants) came to Medina, a man married a woman of the Ansar. He began to do the same kind of action with her, but she disliked it, and said to him: We were approached on one side (i.e. lying on the back); do it so, otherwise keep away from me. This matter of theirs spread widely, and it reached the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).

    So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur'anic verse: "Your wives are a tilth to you, so come to your tilth however you will," i.e. from in front, from behind or lying on the back. But this verse meant the place of the delivery of the child, i.e. the vagina.

    Instead of respecting the woman's refusal to engage in a particular sexual position, Allah sends down the command permitting men to enter women as they like! This would be what we would have to conclude. How come men can plow into women as they choose? Any non-Muslim can easily use this against you.

    "They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them as ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly; and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean." S. 2:222

    The Quran is wrong in classifying woman's monthly cycles as pollution since it is the natural mechanism for keeping women healthy.

    A Christian would say-This once more demonstrates the low view of women in Islam, going so far as to classify women's natural process of purification as a pollutant. This is totally unlike the biblical position that classifies monthly cycles in the category of ceremonially uncleanness as opposed to being viewed as a medical harm or defect. (Cf. Leviticus 15)


    Osama- Again Jim, you are indeed hellarious!  In Noble Verse 2:223, it was your people the Jews and Christians who made up some bogus scientific claims about babies being born with sqert eyes if the man has sexual intercourse with his wife backwards through her vagina.  Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came and corrected their dumb and false claims.  So you should thank him actually for preventing your people from making up a Gospel and puting their bogus claims in it.

    Visit Is anal sex really allowed in Islam? in case you thought that Noble Verse 2:223 and Prophet Muhammad were talking about anal sex instead.

    As to women being a pollution, I think you should take grammar 101, for you obviously don't know how to read English!  Let me help you read Noble Verse 2:222:

    "They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution.....(The Noble Quran, 2:222)"

    Let's look at it from a simpler grammar:

    "They ask thee concerning THE COURSES OF WOMEN. Say: THESE COURSES are a hurt and a pollution.....(The Noble Quran, 2:222)"

    Where in the Noble Quran do you see Allah Almighty calling women a "pollution"?! 

    "....So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean.  But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by God.  For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.  (The Noble Quran, 2:222)"

    Allah Almighty here commands us to stay away from our women who are having their menses SEXUALLY (i.e., having sexual intercourse with them).  But we can still be physically around them and act normally with them.  This is confirmed in the several above narrations about our beloved Prophet peace be upon him when he used to PHYSICALLY TOUCH his wives while they were having their menses by laying his head on their laps and reciting the Noble Quran.

    The following Saying from our beloved Prophet peace be upon him further proves the point and directly explains Noble Verse 2:222 above:

    Thabit narrated it from Anas:  "Among the Jews, when a woman menstruated, they did not dine with her, nor did they live with them in their houses; so the Companions of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked The Apostle (may peace be upon him), and Allah, the Exalted revealed:" And they ask you about menstruation; say it is a pollution, so keep away from woman during menstruation" to the end (Qur'an, ii. 222). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do everything except intercourse. The Jews heard of that and said: This man does not want to leave anything we do without opposing us in it. Usaid b. Hudair and Abbad b. Bishr came and said: Messenger of Allah, the Jews say such and such thing. We should not have, therefore, any contact with them (as the Jews do). The face of the Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) underwent such a change that we thought he was angry with them, but when they went out, they happened to receive a gift of milk which was sent to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him). He (the Holy Prophet) called for them and gave them drink, whereby they knew that he was not angry with them.  (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0592)"  

    Please visit Did Prophet Muhammad really recognize the Bible as an error-free book?

    Contradictions and proofs of History Corruptions in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

    The Muslim men can still be loving and be near their wives and touch them too when their wives are having their monthly periods:

    Narrated 'Aisha:  "The Prophet used to recite the Quran with his head in my lap while I used to be in my periods (having menses).  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED), Volume 9, Book 93, Number 639)"

    'Aisha reported:  "The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) would recline in my lap when I was menstruating, and recite the Qur'an.  (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0591)" 

    Maimuna (the wife of the Holy Prophet) reported:  "The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) contacted and embraced his wives over the waist-wrapper when they were menstruating.  (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0579)

    'A'isha reported:  "The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said to me:  Get me the mat from the mosque.  I said: I am menstruating.  Upon this he remarked:  Your menstruation is not in your hand.   (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0587)"  

    So women in Islam do not pollute or cause anything to be unclean if they touch it while they are having their menses.

    The Bible on the other hand, does consider women unclean and they would cause anything and everything they touch to be unclean.  Visit Women's Menses in Islam and the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

     

    Jim-Mr. Abdallah I really think that you should read my post closely before responding.

    Osama- Mr. Jim, I really think you should study the Bible and Islam more before you waste anyone else's time with you fixed bias and closed minded attitude, which ultimately causes you to make an utter fool out of yourself.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Allah Almighty also promised in several Divine Prophecies that He will show the Glorious Quran's Miracles to mankind.  For example:
      

    1-  The root letters for "message" and all of its derivatives occur 513 times throughout the Glorious Quran.  Yet, the Prophets' and Messengers' actual names (Muhammad, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc....) were also all mentioned 513 times in the Glorious Quran.  See detailed listing here.


    Coincidence?
      See 1,000s of examples! [1]. (zip file).

    Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.

    Stunning Prophecies [2] [3]

     

    2-  Allah Almighty said that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years.  Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah (chapter Noah) is exactly written in 950 Letters.  You can thoroughly see the accurate count in the scanned images.

    3-  Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran said that earth is:
      

           -  Spherical: "egg-shaped" [1].
           -  Is rotating around itself.
           -  Is moving in space in curvy orbits [2].
           -  Is traveling through the constantly expanding universe [3].
      

    "When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
      
    As we also see from the picture, Noble Verse 55:37 is a Divine Promise (Allah promised to show mankind) that mankind will actually see this come to pass one day.  NASA and other space agencies, by Allah Almighty's Will, have certainly fulfilled this Prophecy, because a natural rose wouldn't form when a "Heaven" or a Solar System or even an entire galaxy and its
    trillions of solar systems all blow up (explode).  It is rather the look of it, and this is exactly what NASA confirms.

     

    Coincidence?  See 1,000s of examples [1].Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.

      
    Islam also thoroughly rejects as man-made lies the Trinity and Crucifixion [2].  Jesus was also thoroughly called
    slave of GOD [1] in both the OT and NT.


    Quran:  All Bibles are mostly of corrupt [1] قول   (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed).  See also the 39+ members of trinity.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

      

    John 5:30  "I cannot do anything on my own."  (i.e., Jesus could not perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!).  I can not perform a single Miracle on my own!!  I am totally POWERLESS without Allah Almighty!
      

    John 5:31  "if I (Jesus) bear witness of myself, then I would be a liar!" 

    GOD didn't talk this way when He spoke to Moses.  GOD's testimony alone is always sufficient!  Jesus also bowed his face down to the ground, like we Muslims  (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name, and sons and daughters of GOD titles will be "no more";    ; Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40)  Muslims do everyday, and prayed to GOD Almighty.