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Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??
The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [1]
The following article is a rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's and Jochen Katz's article that is located at: http://www../Shamoun/filial_terms.htm.
They wrote:
A Critique of Muslim Arguments against Jesus being the Son of God
Sam Shamoun & Jochen Katz
The Holy Bible often calls Jesus the Son of God and states that God is his Father,
titles or expressions denoting a purely spiritual relationship between God and Christ.
These terms have absolutely no sexual or carnal overtones whatsoever, i.e. they do not
imply that God had sex with a woman (specifically Mary) who then gave birth to Jesus his
Son.
The Quran, however, assumes that the only way for God to be the Father of Jesus (or of anyone else) is through sexual procreation, that God can only become a Father by having a wife with whom he has sex. This is the main argument of the Quran against believing that God has a Son. In fact, it may well be the main reason why Muslims reject the Christian faith/message.
The Quran emphatically states:
And they make the jinn associates with Allah, while He created them, and they falsely attribute to Him sons and daughters without knowledge; glory be to Him, and highly exalted is He above what they ascribe (to Him). Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things. S. 6:100-101 Shakir
The truth is that - exalted be the Majesty of our Lord - HE has taken unto Himself neither wife nor son, S. 72:3 Sher Ali
The purpose of this paper is to examine whether or not this "strongest of all reasons" presented by the Quran is logically sound.
My response:
The sub-sections here are:
1- Who are the real sons?
2- Sons of GOD in the Noble Quran.
3- Jesus in the New Testament refuted the trinity lie.
1- Who are the real sons?
Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran never limited the possibility of having a son to the requirement of having a wife. The whole lie of "son of GOD" was invented by the Jews and then expanded upon by the Christians later on. Since Allah Almighty was speaking to humans, then He addressed them in the terms that they understand. Having a son in human terms means having a wife. Adoption is not valid in Islam, because adopted children do not inherit nor do they carry the family name of their adopting fathers:
"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. (The Noble Quran, 33:4)"
"Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of God and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear God." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which God was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God's command must be fulfilled. (The Noble Quran, 33:37)"
Christians, and especially the Catholics, have perverted this Divine Law by introducing legal adoption and "god-father" and "god-mother" relationships.
Now don't get me wrong, Allah Almighty did Command the Muslims to SPONSOR orphans and to take care of them, but adopting them and giving them families' names other than their own is now allowed:
"And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but God; treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now). (The Noble Quran, 2:83)""It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and a dversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing. (The Noble Quran, 2:177)"
"They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -God knoweth it well. (The Noble Quran, 2:215)""(Their bearings) on this life and the Hereafter. They ask thee concerning orphans. Say: "The best thing to do is what is for their good; if ye mix their affairs with yours, they are your brethren; but God knows the man who means mischief from the man who means good. And if God had wished, He could have put you into difficulties: He is indeed Exalted in Power, Wise." (The Noble Quran, 2:220)"
"To orphans restore their property (When they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your won. For this is indeed a great sin. (The Noble Quran, 4:2)""If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (The Noble Quran, 4:3)"
"Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence: But all-sufficient is God in taking account. (The Noble Quran, 4:6)""But if at the time of division other relatives, or orphans or poor, are present, feed them out of the (property), and speak to them words of kindness and justice. (The Noble Quran, 4:8)"
"Those who unjustly eat up the property of orphans, eat up a Fire into their own bodies: They will soon be enduring a Blazing Fire! (The Noble Quran, 4:10)""Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For God loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;- (The Noble Quran, 4:36)"
"They ask thy instruction concerning the women say: God doth instruct you about them: And (remember) what hath been rehearsed unto you in the Book, concerning the orphans of women to whom ye give not the portions prescribed, and yet whom ye desire to marry, as also concerning the children who are weak and oppressed: that ye stand firm for justice to orphans. There is not a good deed which ye do, but God is well-acquainted therewith. (The Noble Quran, 4:127)"
2- Sons of GOD in the Noble Quran:
Allah Almighty refuted the lie of the Jews, Christians and Pagans about Him having "sons", "daughters", "wife", or calling people "sons of GOD":
"And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"(Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish (yuathibkum) you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)" (The Noble Quran, 5:18)"
Important Note: The Arabic word "yuathibkum" was mistranslated as "punish". The word literally mean "torture", and in the context that Allah Almighty uses it in the, the torture is through Hell Fire. Parents do punish their children when they misbehave. But parents do not torture their children with fire or torturing machines.
"They say: "God hath begotten a son" :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him. (The Noble Quran, 2:116)"
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs. (The Noble Quran, 4:171)"Please visit: The Word of GOD Almighty in the Noble Quran, and how Adam too was created from the Word of GOD Almighty.
"To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 6:101)""The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (The Noble Quran, 9:30)"
Important Note: The Jews in Arabia seeked to glorify a figure as the Christians glorify Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). I have provided historic proofs and Jewish Apocryphal writings proving that Ezra or Uzair was a holy figure and father to the Jews. Please visit: https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qb005.htm.
"They say: "God hath begotten a son!" - Glory be to Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about God what ye know not? (The Noble Quran, 10:68)""Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "God hath begotten a son":
(The Noble Quran, 18:4)" "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. (The Noble Quran, 19:35)""They say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
(The Noble Quran, 19:88)" "That they should invoke a son for (God) Most Gracious. (The Noble Quran, 19:91)""For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
(The Noble Quran, 19:92)" "Had God wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible. (The Noble Quran, 39:4)""'And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
(The Noble Quran, 72:3)""Yet they make the Jinns equals with God, though God did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!
(The Noble Quran, 6:100)""And they assign daughters for God! - Glory be to Him! - and for themselves (sons,- the issue) they desire!
(The Noble Quran, 16:57)""Has then your Lord (O Pagans!) preferred for you sons, and taken for Himself daughters among the angels? Truly ye utter a most dreadful saying!
(The Noble Quran, 17:40)" "Now ask them their opinion: Is it that thy Lord has (only) daughters, and they have sons?- (The Noble Quran, 37:149)""Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons?
(The Noble Quran, 37:153)""What! has He taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you sons for choice?
(The Noble Quran, 43:16)""Or has He only daughters and ye have sons?
(The Noble Quran, 52:39)"I strongly recommend for the reader to visit the following links:
"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah
Eesa 
is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor
"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)
The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.
Son of GOD: Some Muslims' Misconception.
"Son of Man" does not mean "GOD" or "Son of GOD"
"Let us create" in Genesis 1:26-27 doesn't prove trinity. See how the Bible clearly defines "our likeness" and "our image" as having the knowledge of Good and evil, and not physically looking like GOD Almighty, which soundly refutes the lie of trinity.
Does GOD's spirit in Jesus prove that Jesus is GOD? Others had it too. GOD's Spirit came upon many others beside Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Rebuttal to Answering Islam's Article "Why Did God Become Human?"
3- Jesus in the New Testament refuted the trinity lie:
Since the Answering Trinity section is too large to post here, but I'd like to post some important links from it:
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They wrote:
Against those who believe that Allah has sons and daughters (like the pagans) or one unique divine Son [John 3:16; cf. this article] and many children by adoption [John 1:12, Romans 8:15, Ephesians 1:5] (like the Christians), the Quran argues that they have not reflected properly on such a concept. If you believe this, then you are horribly ignorant (without knowledge) because this would imply that Allah would also have to have a consort, which would be an insult to his exalted greatness or otherwise simply impossible.
Although it is formulated as a rhetorical question in S. 6:101, the implied answer is clear: There is no way that Allah (or anyone) could have a son without a consort. These two passages actually reject two ideas as impossibilities. First, it is impossible that Allah could have a son without a consort. Second, it is impossible for Allah to have a consort. No reason is given for the first "impossibility"; it is treated as self-evident truth, based on the general experience that it is impossible for a man or male animal to have a son without having a sexual relationship with a female. The second is rejected because it would be a contradiction to the exalted majesty and greatness of Allah to ascribe to him a consort. In the Quran, Allah’s greatness seems to depend at least in part on his aloneness.
My response:
As clearly shown in the Noble Verses that I provided above, Allah Almighty did not say it was impossible for Him to have a son without a wife. He, the Almighty, was rather speaking to the polytheist trinitarian pagans and the other pagans regarding the nonsense that they attribute to GOD Almighty. The following Noble Verses clearly demonstrate that Allah Almighty never declared that it is impossible for Him to have a son without a wife:
"Had God wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible. (The Noble Quran, 39:4)""'And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
(The Noble Quran, 72:3)" "They say: "God hath begotten a son!" - Glory be to Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about God what ye know not? (The Noble Quran, 10:68)""Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "God hath begotten a son":
(The Noble Quran, 18:4)" "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. (The Noble Quran, 19:35)""They say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
(The Noble Quran, 19:88)" "That they should invoke a son for (God) Most Gracious. (The Noble Quran, 19:91)""For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
(The Noble Quran, 19:92)""Yet they make the Jinns equals with God, though God did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!
(The Noble Quran, 6:100)""And they assign daughters for God! - Glory be to Him! - and for themselves (sons,- the issue) they desire!
(The Noble Quran, 16:57)""Has then your Lord (O Pagans!) preferred for you sons, and taken for Himself daughters among the angels? Truly ye utter a most dreadful saying!
(The Noble Quran, 17:40)" "Now ask them their opinion: Is it that thy Lord has (only) daughters, and they have sons?- (The Noble Quran, 37:149)""Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons?
(The Noble Quran, 37:153)""What! has He taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you sons for choice?
(The Noble Quran, 43:16)""Or has He only daughters and ye have sons?
(The Noble Quran, 52:39)""And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
They wrote:
It is always dangerous to claim that something is impossible for God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). People from other religious backgrounds may well question the validity of this second claim. As Christians we definitely agree that God does not have a wife whom he has sex with, so we will not enter into discussing this part of the argument.
My response:
Again, GOD Almighty never said it is impossible for Him to have a son without a wife as I clearly proved above.
As to Christians not believing in GOD Almighty having a wife, EXCUSE ME???? Obviously, you're either too ignorant that you never heard of the Roman Catholics' "Holy Family Trinity", or you just don't consider them as Christians at all.
To the reader, please visit the following links about Mary, peace be upon her, and how Catholics worship her and consider her as the MOTHER and WIFE of GOD Almighty:
My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Examining the Evidence which proves that the Spirit is God" blasphemous article. Learn about trinities that existed and still exist today. One of them is the "Holy Family Trinity", the trinity of the father, mother and child (son).
Some Christians do worship Mary!
Is the Noble Quran wrong regarding Mary?
They wrote:
To summarize, the reasoning of the Quran proceeds this way:
(1) If Allah has a son, then he must have (had sex with) a consort or wife.
(2) Allah does not have a consort (i.e. this is impossible for whatever reason).
(3) Therefore the claim that Allah has a son is refuted.
The structure is: (1) If A then B. (2) Not B. (3) Therefore, not A.
The structure of the argument is logically valid. If statements (1) and (2) were correct, then the conclusion (3) would follow. Although one could question statement (2) as well, the main problem is statement (1).
No reason is given why this statement is supposed to be true, but the argument is obviously based on analogy with human experience. The assumption is that it is not possible that a man can have a son without having sex with a woman. If there is a son, then there has to be a mother, and the man must have had sex with that mother. So, let us formulate more generally:
(A) If a male has a son, then this male must have had sex with a female who is the mother.
To be consistent, one must hold to the symmetrical argument:
(B) If a female has a son, then she must have had sex with a male who is the father.
The following statements also belong into this general assumption:
(C) If someone is a son, then there has to be a father and a mother.
(D) If there is a mother, then there must be a father.
Before we enter the discussion whether or not statement (1) is true, we want to quote another passage that grows out of the same thinking. The Quran rejects the notion of adoption on similar grounds, i.e. that a person can only be called the child of his/her biological parents:
God has not assigned to any man two hearts within his breast; nor has He made your wives, when you divorce, saying, 'Be as my mother's back,' truly your mothers, neither has He made your adopted sons your sons in fact. That is your own saying, the words of your mouths; but God speaks the truth, and guides on the way. Call them after their true fathers; that is more equitable in the sight of God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). If you know not who their fathers were, then they are your brothers in religion, and your clients. There is no fault in you if you make mistakes, but only in what your hearts premeditate. God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. S. 33:4-5 Arberry
Two observations are relevant for our discussion. First, this passage is an admission that the words father and mother (and son) were used also in a non-biological way. People were used to the fact that some called others their mothers or fathers (or sons) in a non-biological sense. These words could be used for people who had an emotional or spiritual or legal relationship even though they were not their fathers, mothers or sons in the biological sense. Second, the Quran declares this usage invalid. One may only call someone father or mother or son to whom one is biologically related in this way.
(Further aspects of S. 33:4-5 are discussed in an article on a related topic, How many Mothers does a Muslim have?)
In light of this logic we will examine specific references found within the Quran where similar expressions are used, i.e. "son of", "mother of", and see what happens when we apply the Quran’s own argument to them. We will be showing that if the Quran is correct that the only way for God to have a son or children is by sexual intercourse with a spouse, which implies that sexual intimacy is the only possible and legitimate way for becoming either a parent or a child, then this will spell disaster for Islamic theology.
My response:
Your structure above is bogus, and your logic is debunked! Like your trinity lie, you create illusions from false conclusions and you take them as concrete evidence.
They wrote:
The Quran’s Use of "Mother"
There are several places where the Quran makes mention of the "mother of the book" (omm al-kitab), and in one place the Quran even claims that this is where it originated:
God doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book (ommu alkitabi). S. 13:39 Y. Ali
verily, we have made it an Arabic Qur'an; haply ye will have some sense. And it is in the Mother of the Book (ommi alkitabi) with Us,- high and wise. S. 43:3-4 Palmer
The mother of the book which contains the Quran is with God, an important point for our discussion as we shall shortly see. In another place it is said that the Quran’s clear verses are actually "the mother of the book":
He it is who has revealed to thee the Book, of which there are some verses that are decisive, they are the mother of the Book (ommu alkitabi); and others ambiguous; but as for those in whose hearts is perversity, they follow what is ambiguous, and do crave for sedition, craving for (their own) interpretation of it; but none know the interpretation of it except God (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). But those who are well grounded in knowledge say, 'We believe in it; it is all from our Lord; but none will remember save those who possess minds. S. 3:7 Palmer
Hence, the Quran originates from the mother of the book and its clear verses are the mother of the book, which means that the Quran has at least two mothers!
Now if the logic of the Quran is true then this means that the mother of the book has a spouse with whom she has sex. After all, how can she be a mother, or have any children, if she has no husband, no spouse? We can even reword Sura 6:101 in the following manner:
Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could She (this unknown mysterious woman) be the Quran’s mother if she has no consort…?
But since this mysterious woman does have offspring then she must have a husband, and here is where the real problem lies for the Muslims: Since the Quran is believed to be the word of Allah, which makes him the source of the Quran, then this means that Allah is its father and the husband of the Quran’s mother! And since Muslims believe that the Quran is the uncreated speech of Allah then this means that its mother is also uncreated. The Quran cannot exist before its mother which means that if the Quran is eternal then so is its mother, also implying that Allah has always been married! After all, whose wife could the Quran’s mother be if Allah is the only other entity that existed before creation?
Again, note the logic behind this:
(4) If the Quran has a mother, then the Quran must be an offspring.
(5) But if the Quran is an offspring, then it must have a mother and a father.
(6) If it has a mother and a father, then they must have had sex to produce the offspring.
(7) Suras 13:39, 43:3-4, and 3:7 say that the Quran indeed has a mother.
(8) Therefore, its mother and father must have had sex.
(9) Hence, the best candidate for the father and the mother of the Quran is Allah
and an eternal mysterious mother with whom he had sex.
The Quran also mentions the mother of villages and towns:
And this is a blessed Scripture which We have revealed, confirming that which (was revealed) before it, that thou mayst warn the Mother of Villages (omma alqura) and those around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe herein, and they are careful of their worship. 6:92 Pickthall
And thy Lord would never destroy the towns until HE has raised in the mother-town (ommiha) thereof a Messenger, reciting unto them Our Signs; nor would WE destroy the towns unless the people thereof were wrongdoers. S. 28:59
And thus We have inspired in thee a Lecture in Arabic, that thou mayst warn the mother-town (omma alqura) and those around it, and mayst warn of a day of assembling whereof there is no doubt. A host will be in the Garden, and a host of them in the Flame. S. 42:7
Again, the only way for the town or villages to have a mother is if they also have a father with whom the mother had sex. The absurd logic says:
(10) If any village has a mother, then the mother had to have sex to produce the village.
(11) Suras 6:92, 28:59, and 42:7 say that some villages have mothers.
(12) Therefore, these mothers had to have sex to produce the villages.
Regarding Hell, the Quran states:
Hell will be a nursing mother to him (Faommuhu hawiyatun). S. 101:9 Sher Ali
A bereft and Hungry One will be his mother, Pickthall
If Hell is an unbeliever’s mother then does this make Allah his father and the husband of hell? After all, doesn’t the Quran say that Allah created men and jinn for hell?
Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle, - nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning). S. 7:179 Y. Ali
And if hell is a mother to those whom Allah created to go there, doesn’t this mean that he is hell’s husband? If Allah isn’t the husband then who is it? After all, according to the Quran, she can’t have children if she has no spouse?
The previous argument (10) to (12) can also be applied here to show why this is simply absurd.
My response:
You're too desperate! That is why you're resorting to lies and twisting obvious metaphoric speech in the Noble Quran to serve your evil and blasphemous purpose. Since there is nothing of substance was presented by you two in this section, then I won't waste time on it since your absurd logic and structure above were thoroughly debunked.
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The Quran’s Use of "Son"
In several places the Quran refers to travelers as sons of the road:
It is not piety, that you turn your faces to the East and to the West. True piety is this: to believe in God, and the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the Prophets, to give of one's substance, however cherished, to kinsmen, and orphans, the needy, the traveller (lit., "and son of the road"- waibna alssabeeli), beggars, and to ransom the slave, to perform the prayer, to pay the alms. And they who fulfil their covenant when they have engaged in a covenant, and endure with fortitude misfortune, hardship and peril, these are they who are true in their faith, these are the truly godfearing. S. 2:177 Arberry
Serve God, and associate naught with Him. Be kind to parents, and the near kinsman, and to orphans, and to the needy, and to the neighbour who is of kin, and to the neighbour who is a stranger, and to the companion at your side, and to the traveller (waibni alssabeeli), and to that your right hands own. Surely God loves not the proud and boastful. S. 4:36
Know that, whatever booty you take, the fifth of it is God's, and the Messenger's, and the near kinsman's, and the orphans', and for the needy, and the traveller (waibni alssabeeli), if you believe in God and that We sent down upon Our servant on the day of salvation, the day the two hosts encountered; and God is powerful over everything; S. 8:41 Arberry
The freewill offerings are for the poor and needy, those who work to collect them, those whose hearts are brought together, the ransoming of slaves, debtors, in God's way, and the traveller (waibni alssabeeli); so God ordains; God is All-knowing, All-wise. S. 9:60 Arberry
Since the only way for someone to have a son according to the Quran is through sexual intercourse with a consort, wouldn’t this imply that roads have spouses and engage in sex? If the Quran’s logic is valid then this is the only possible way for roads to have children, otherwise the Quran would be false if there were other ways.
Here again is the argument:
(13) If any road has traveler-sons, then it had to have sex.
(14) Suras 2:177, 4:36, 8:41, and 9:60 say that roads indeed have traveler-sons.
(15) Therefore, these roads had to have sex.
My response:
Unlike humans, roads are brainless and unliving, and can't do a thing. I know that you're trying to imply that since "mother" was used in a metaphoric way in the Noble Quran, then "son" being used also in a metaphoric way in the Bible is valid. The problem with your theory is that the Bible itself in the original Hebrew and Greek states clearly that "sons of GOD" are no more than "servants of GOD":
https://www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
Not only that, but Jesus in ample places in the New Testament denied having any relationship with GOD Almighty. He constantly refuted those who tried to glorify him and elate him to the Creator of the Universe's level. Read the links about trinity above.
They wrote:
Concluding Remarks
The readers should be able to see from our brief critique and examination why the Quran’s claim that God cannot have children is seriously flawed. If God can have children only through sexual intercourse, by having a wife, then the Quran is in grave trouble since this fallacious logic would mean that the Quran, specific towns and villages, as well as travelers are all the result of sexual intercourse.
The Muslim will obviously contend that the expressions "mother of", "son of" are not being used in a physical, sexual sense, but in a purely metaphorical or spiritual sense, at least in these specific citations. The Muslim may argue that sexual activity is not necessary to be a child or parent in the sense intended by these various Quranic references. These terms can carry a broader range of meaning than merely the physical, carnal one and the context must therefore determine the specific application.
But this explanation only proves that the Quran is wrong and its reasoning is invalid. After all, if it is possible for someone to be a parent or child in a way that doesn’t require sexual procreation, then this means it is also possible for God to be a spiritual parent without having to engage in sex or needing a physical wife. This basically means that it doesn’t follow from the Quran's premises that God must have a wife or engage in sexual activity in order to be a father or have a son; and since he has no sexual relations and has no wife he cannot, therefore, be a parent.
The Quran’s argument against God’s Fatherhood or Christ’s Sonship is flat out wrong and shows that it cannot be the word of the true God, unless one wishes to assume that God uses erroneous logic and invalid reasoning.
Here is the correct understanding, in a logically valid chain argument, which the Quran completely misses:
(16) If God is Spirit (John 4:24), then he did not have to have sex with a consort
or a wife to be a Father.
(17) If Father God did not have to have sex with a consort or wife, then he has a
nonphysical, spiritual, and eternal relationship with his offspring.
(18) The true Word of God says that God is Spirit.
(19) Therefore, he has a nonphysical, spiritual, and eternal relationship with his
offspring—the Son of God, the blessed and holy Lord Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
My response:
I hope the reader clearly sees that you two are desperately trying to create lies out of false conclusions (like your trinity lie) and fool others with them. All of your absurdities above had been soundly debunked, by Allah Almighty's Grace, in the sections above.
As to the John 4:24 that you presented, actually, this verse backfires at you and your trinity lie, because if GOD Almighty is a Spirit, and He is, then claiming that He has a "son" is absurd, because our human understanding of a son completely contradicts that. Like I mentioned above, I know that you're trying to imply that since "mother" was used in a metaphoric way in the Noble Quran, then "son" being used also in a metaphoric way in the Bible is valid. The problem with your theory is that the Bible itself in the original Hebrew and Greek states clearly that "sons of GOD" are no more than "servants of GOD":
https://www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
Not only that, but Jesus in ample places in the New Testament denied having any relationship with GOD Almighty. He constantly refuted those who tried to glorify him and elate him to the Creator of the Universe's level. Read the links about trinity above. Also as I mentioned above, the Jews invented the lie of "sons of GOD", and the Christians expanded on it and actually exploded it to reach all the way to be GOD Almighty Himself in the case of Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). Allah Almighty responded to this lie of yours in the Noble Quran:
"And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour. (The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"(Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish (yuathibkum) you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)" (The Noble Quran, 5:18)"
Important Note: The Arabic word "yuathibkum" was mistranslated as "punish". The word literally mean "torture", and in the context that Allah Almighty uses it in the, the torture is through Hell Fire. Parents do punish their children when they misbehave. But parents do not torture their children with fire or torturing machines.
"They say: "God hath begotten a son" :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him. (The Noble Quran, 2:116)"
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs. (The Noble Quran, 4:171)"Please visit: The Word of GOD Almighty in the Noble Quran, and how Adam too was created from the Word of GOD Almighty.
"To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 6:101)""The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (The Noble Quran, 9:30)"
Important Note: The Jews in Arabia seeked to glorify a figure as the Christians glorify Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him). I have provided historic proofs and Jewish Apocryphal writings proving that Ezra or Uzair was a holy figure and father to the Jews. Please visit: https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qb005.htm.
"They say: "God hath begotten a son!" - Glory be to Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about God what ye know not? (The Noble Quran, 10:68)""Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "God hath begotten a son":
(The Noble Quran, 18:4)" "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. (The Noble Quran, 19:35)""They say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
(The Noble Quran, 19:88)" "That they should invoke a son for (God) Most Gracious. (The Noble Quran, 19:91)""For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
(The Noble Quran, 19:92)" "Had God wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible. (The Noble Quran, 39:4)""'And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
(The Noble Quran, 72:3)""Yet they make the Jinns equals with God, though God did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!
(The Noble Quran, 6:100)""And they assign daughters for God! - Glory be to Him! - and for themselves (sons,- the issue) they desire!
(The Noble Quran, 16:57)""Has then your Lord (O Pagans!) preferred for you sons, and taken for Himself daughters among the angels? Truly ye utter a most dreadful saying!
(The Noble Quran, 17:40)" "Now ask them their opinion: Is it that thy Lord has (only) daughters, and they have sons?- (The Noble Quran, 37:149)""Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons?
(The Noble Quran, 37:153)""What! has He taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you sons for choice?
(The Noble Quran, 43:16)""Or has He only daughters and ye have sons?
(The Noble Quran, 52:39)"I strongly recommend for the reader to visit the following links:
"bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah
Eesa is Iesu and Iesus in Latin and Greek for Jesus, and Eesa is also a Hebrew word that means doctor
"...are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow..." (The Noble Quran, 4:157)
The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.
Son of GOD: Some Muslims' Misconception.
"Son of Man" does not mean "GOD" or "Son of GOD"
"Let us create" in Genesis 1:26-27 doesn't prove trinity. See how the Bible clearly defines "our likeness" and "our image" as having the knowledge of Good and evil, and not physically looking like GOD Almighty, which soundly refutes the lie of trinity.
Does GOD's spirit in Jesus prove that Jesus is GOD? Others had it too. GOD's Spirit came upon many others beside Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Rebuttal to Answering Islam's Article "Why Did God Become Human?"
Rebuttals to the so-called "Incoherence" in the Noble Quran.
Rebuttals to all of the so-called "Errors" in the Noble Quran.
Rebuttals to the "Textual Variants" lies in the Noble Quran.
Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.
Rebuttals to Sam Shamoun's Articles section.
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Women in Islam VS women in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his marriage from Aisha.
Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Questions about Jesus that trinitarian Christians don't have logical answers for.
What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?
"Allah" was GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.
Scientific Miracles in Islam and the Noble Quran.
Most of the Bible's books and gospels were written by mysterious people!
Jesus mentioned Muhammad by the name in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus? It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross. I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken. My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion. I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.
Quran's STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1] Allah Almighty also promised in several Divine Prophecies that He will show the Glorious Quran's Miracles to mankind. For example:
Coincidence? See 1,000s of examples [1].Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.
"I cannot do anything on my own." (i.e., Jesus could not perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!). I can not perform a single Miracle on my own!! I am totally POWERLESS without Allah Almighty! John 5:31 "if I (Jesus) bear witness of myself, then I would be a liar!" GOD didn't talk this way when He spoke to Moses. GOD's testimony alone is always sufficient! Jesus also bowed his face down to the ground, like we Muslims (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name, and sons and daughters of GOD titles will be "no more"; |
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