POLL: What is your Religion?

[The Canadian Atheist]

I can shorten what you guys had to say in huge novels of paragraphs in a simple sentence:

Religion is absurd.

If you want a longer explanation: The 'science' in religion is only accurate to the era it originated from. For example, in the Qur'an, it doesn't talk about fasting in the countries where the Sun never sets. Second thing: Mohamed was not illiterate. He was part of the secret society, which explains all of the 'scientific miracles' (it was the knowledge the gnostics had sealed but did not reveal to the public except by a supposed book from God, to make it easier for people to believe in the coming ages). However, the heliocentric model is not mentioned anywhere in the Qur'an, surely a real God would know any better? The illuminati has deliberately created these religions to make them war each other. Why do the bible, Torah, and the Qur'an all contradict each other so precisely? Exactly. Wake up.

Honestly, religion has caused people to blow the crap out of each other. There should not be any more suffering. Don't you guys read your own Qur'an? 2:256 states you cannot coerce.

[amar]

sallam,

you know they say Atheists are usually quiet clever, but i guess you ain't part of 'usually' as you think the illuminati created three different religions that are linked together (a triangle!!!!) under One God. The fact is many scriptures were sent down and four are mentioned in the Quran, 3 that you know of and the other being sent to Abraham (as). Islam is the truth which is why its the fastest growing religion in the world even the imperfect Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. We have scholars to follow as mentioned by the Quran in making decisions like fasting at the poles, you are to follow the country nearest with a night and day. Our scholars also give us opinions on different issues like how to deal with inter-sex people, the ruling on chess, the ruling on 'the pill', all these not invented by the Grace of God at the time of Muhammad (saww), according to your logic, God has to send a scripture every few years for new dealings. See the miracles of the Quran and just focus on them, see the miracle of the preservation of Pharaoh which cause Dr Maurice Bucai to convert to Islam, see the mathematical miracles, the literature miracles, all Signs of God of which He Diversifies for the masses. See the unique design of this universe, the constants that allow us to be alive. These miracles along with others are what causes top scholars to accept Islam when they read the Quran.

People with some knowledge in science become atheists and people with plenty of knowledge in science know there has to be a God.

Peace

[adnaanshaikh195]

LMAO. This Shia fool is an idiot.

He is claiming Shiites are the right and guided sect.

Does he not know that it is HARAAM to divide in islam?

The Glorious Qur’an says:

“And hold fast, altogether, by the rope Which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves.” [Al-Qur’an 3:103]

Which is the rope of Allah that is being referred to in this verse? It is the Glorious Qur’an. The Glorious Qur’an is the rope of Allah which all Muslims should hold fast together. There is double emphasis in this verse. Beside saying ‘hold fast all together’ it also says, ‘be not divided’.

The Qur’an further says,

“Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger” [Al-Qur’an 4:59]

All the Muslims should follow the Qur’an and authentic Ahadith and ensure that they are not divided among themselves.

2.It is prohibited to make divisions in Islam.

The Glorious Qur’an says:

“As for those who divide Their religion and break up Into sects, you have no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.” [Al-Qur’an 6:159]

In this verse Allah (swt) says that one should disassociate oneself from those who divide their religion and break it up into sects.

But when one asks a Muslim, “who are you?” the common answer is either ‘I am a Hanafi or Shafi or Maliki or Hanbali. Some call themselves ‘Ahle-Hadith’.

3.Four Schools of Thoughts

The Islamic world has produced several learned Islamic scholars (Imams), but out of these, four became more famous and their teachings spread in different parts of the world.

It is a misconception that a Muslim should follow any one of these four schools of thoughts i.e. Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbali or Maliki. There is no proof whatsoever in the Qur’an or any authentic Hadith that a Muslim should only follow one of these four Imams.

4.Respect all the Great Scholars of Islam.

We must respect all the great scholars of Islam, including the four Imaams, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi, Imam Hanbal and Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with them all). They were great scholars and may Allah reward them for their research and hard work. One can have no objection if someone agrees with the view and research of any one or more from these four great scholars of Islam.

5.All Four Imam said follow the Qur’an and Sunnah.

All the four great Imams said that if any of their Fatwas or teachings contradict Allah’s word, i.e. the Qur’an, or the sayings of the Prophet (pbuh) i.e. authentic Hadith, then that particulars Fatwa of theirs should be rejected, and the Sunnah of the Prophet should be followed.

Qur'an and Sunnah is what you need, not grave worshipping, or worshipping Imams lmao.

I follow the Islam that Umar, Abubakr, Aisha followed.

 Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) gave to me is the one I follow, not your jewish Shiite sect LOL.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum,

Before we begin, I'd like all readers to first watch this brief video about the despicable Shias and their pagan rituals to get a real perspective and feel of what we're talking about when we declare them to be true 100% polytheists and pagans:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Now to the refutation...

Sallam

before I start I will like to thank you for not banning me and for replying only on the blog, I am only using Sunni hadiths here and won't curse the main symbols you love like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha so no resentment is felt and only logic is applied, though I do hate their deeds, very much.

Wa Alaikum As'salam,

I know you're too polluted with your false religion of worshing creations.  I get the same thing from the ignorant ones from the Christians about us supposedly worshing Prophet Muhammad.  Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it.  You are in the same absurd category of ignorance and polytheism.  You continue to reduce Islam to debating mere creations, while I continue to say over and over and over that the reason why you're an infidel and believe in a repulsive religion of idol worship is because:

1-  You insult Allah Almighty by directly and openly saying that your prayers and supplications to Him are meaningless and pointless, which is why you pray to Him through supplicating and praying THROUGH MERE CREATIONS.  This is in direct conflict with ample Noble Verses such as the following:

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"

I also showed this from ample clips from your top scholars:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

2-  You worship mere creations (the people of Bayt) by directly and openly and shamelessly seeking their:

1-  Protection.
2-  Help.
3-  Aid.
4-  Mercy.
5-  Blessings.

You even bow to their graves, come crawling to their graves, and openly worship their graves.

Here is what Allah Almighty Said about your people and repulsive pagan religion:

‏6:22 ويوم نحشرهم جميعا ثم نقول للذين اشركوا اين شركاؤكم الذين كنتم تزعمون

‏6:23 ثم لم تكن فتنتهم الا ان قالوا والله ربنا ما كنا مشركين

‏6:24 انظر كيف كذبوا على انفسهم وضل عنهم ما كانوا يفترون

[006:022]  One day shall We gather them all together: We shall say to those who ascribed partners (to Us): "Where are the partners whom ye (invented and) talked about?"

[006:023]  There will then be (left) no subterfuge for them but to say: "By God our Lord, we were not those who joined gods with God."

[006:024]  Behold! how they lie against their own souls! But the (lie) which they invented will leave them in the lurch.

And also:

‏9:31 اتخذوا احبارهم ورهبانهم اربابا من دون الله والمسيح ابن مريم وماامروا الا ليعبدوا الها واحدا لااله الا هو سبحانه عما يشركون

[009:031] They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

3-  Your bloody rituals, where you cut not only yourselves almost to death, but also your children are beyond repulsive:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Yet, according to Islam, you do not even own your own body.  It belongs to Allah Almighty Alone, and it will testify for you and against you in the Day of Judgement.  Yet, you not only cut your bodies, but you also cut your children as the video above shows:

"That day, their tongues, their hands and their feet would testify against them regarding what they used to do.  (The Noble Quran, 24:24)"

"When you used to cover up and conceal your evil deeds, (you never considered) that your ears, your eyes and your skin would testify against you. In fact, you thought that (if you hide your deeds) Allah would not find out much of what you do.  (The Noble Quran, 41:22)"

What more could be said about your repulsive and sick and demented pagan religion??

Why don't you just admit it, you hate the Ahlul-Bayt (as). You are the type of person who would have followed Aisha in the war with Ali (as) which cost the lives of 30000 Muslims.

This is where you and your pagan Shias get ridiculous.  Like I mentioned before:

1-  The polytheist trinitarian pagans do not represent Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary, peace be upon them.  Christ and his Mother are innocent from them and their idol worship.  Yet, the pagans constantly claim that everyone else HATES CHRIST, and is anti-Christ.

2-  Similarly, the people of Bayt are innocent and pucking and disgusted from your pagan and false religion and people, and they are far far away from you.  Your repulsive religion is so despicable, that Hell is too cold of a place for you.  This is clearly shown in the video above.

And to answer your silly point:  No, no Sunni on this earth hates the people of Bayt.  In fact, we revere them so much, and love them so much that we defend them from infidels like your pagan people who worship them.

As to the rest of your ridiculous points and examples about people got upset that they slapped themselves or punched themselves, or grieved bad, those are examples of genuine grievances that don't mean anything here.  You worship the people of the Bayt as I thoroughly demonstrated above.

And as to intercession, again, there is a difference between asking a pious person to make supplications or prayers for you before Allah Almighty, and you DECLARING THAT PRAYING TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY IS POINTLESS AND WON'T BE HEARD, and the only way to do get GOD Almighty's Attention is by praying through the people of the Bayt.  Your top scholars say this.  Again see the ample clips about what they said:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

You and I are talking about totally different things here.

This dialogue has further demonstrated how hopelessly deceived your pagan people are.  Keep cutting yourself with knives.  The Doom of Hell is your final Abode.

Osama Abdallah

[There is only one God]

@amar: Shiism being the fastest growing sect is an argumentum Ad populum

Now suppose you open their sections, and read their many articles and find out that most of their articles are low and despicable ones!  The overwhelming majority of them are:

1-  Pornographic.
2-  Alcohol promoting.
3-  Drugs promoting.
4-  Prostitution seeking and promoting.
5-  Contain COUNTLESS f*** words in them.

IN THE HOLY NAME OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY I ASK YOU THIS AMAR:  What would this say about Osama Abdallah, the owner of www.answering-christianity.com then?  Answer this with all honesty if you are not a liar and a coward!

I would believe that the moderator either forgot about his forum or does not know how to moderate properly. But more importantly, the rules and regs of the forum.

@adnaanshaikh195:
HAHAHAHA! You gave all those verses about dividing Muslims, meaning calling another Muslim by a label!

I follow the Islam that Umar, Abubakr, Aisha followed.

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) gave to me is the one I follow, not your jewish Shiite sect LOL.
LMAO. This Shia fool is an idiot.

Oh btw, you kinda pwnd yourself there, since Judaism is absolute monotheism with the rejection of prophethood. So calling Shi'as polytheists and Jewish sects, nah, doesn't work that way.


Lastly, @QuransearchCom:

You insult Allah Almighty by directly and openly saying that your prayers and supplications to Him are meaningless and pointless

Never heard him say it yet, accusation! Btw, saying stuff like "hell is too cold for you" or "Keep cutting yourself with knives.  The Doom of Hell is your final Abode" is not only Argument Ad Hominem but using scare tactics on children :O. Allah decides who goes to hell. Not Quransearchcom!
Now I better get out of here before you guys rip your backs open with swords over whose Islam is correct!

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum,

Before we begin, I'd like all readers to first watch this brief video about the despicable Shias and their pagan rituals to get a real perspective and feel of what we're talking about when we declare them to be true 100% polytheists and pagans:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Now to the refutation...

Sallam

before I start I will like to thank you for not banning me and for replying only on the blog, I am only using Sunni hadiths here and won't curse the main symbols you love like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha so no resentment is felt and only logic is applied, though I do hate their deeds, very much.

Wa Alaikum As'salam,

I know you're too polluted with your false religion of worshing creations.  I get the same thing from the ignorant ones from the Christians about us supposedly worshing Prophet Muhammad.  Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it.  You are in the same absurd category of ignorance and polytheism.  You continue to reduce Islam to debating mere creations, while I continue to say over and over and over that the reason why you're an infidel and believe in a repulsive religion of idol worship is because:

1-  You insult Allah Almighty by directly and openly saying that your prayers and supplications to Him are meaningless and pointless, which is why you pray to Him through supplicating and praying THROUGH MERE CREATIONS.  This is in direct conflict with ample Noble Verses such as the following:

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"

I also showed this from ample clips from your top scholars:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

2-  You worship mere creations (the people of Bayt) by directly and openly and shamelessly seeking their:

1-  Protection.
2-  Help.
3-  Aid.
4-  Mercy.
5-  Blessings.

You even bow to their graves, come crawling to their graves, and openly worship their graves.

Here is what Allah Almighty Said about your people and repulsive pagan religion:

‏6:22 ويوم نحشرهم جميعا ثم نقول للذين اشركوا اين شركاؤكم الذين كنتم تزعمون

‏6:23 ثم لم تكن فتنتهم الا ان قالوا والله ربنا ما كنا مشركين

‏6:24 انظر كيف كذبوا على انفسهم وضل عنهم ما كانوا يفترون

[006:022]  One day shall We gather them all together: We shall say to those who ascribed partners (to Us): "Where are the partners whom ye (invented and) talked about?"

[006:023]  There will then be (left) no subterfuge for them but to say: "By God our Lord, we were not those who joined gods with God."

[006:024]  Behold! how they lie against their own souls! But the (lie) which they invented will leave them in the lurch.

And also:

‏9:31 اتخذوا احبارهم ورهبانهم اربابا من دون الله والمسيح ابن مريم وماامروا الا ليعبدوا الها واحدا لااله الا هو سبحانه عما يشركون

[009:031] They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

3-  Your bloody rituals, where you cut not only yourselves almost to death, but also your children are beyond repulsive:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Yet, according to Islam, you do not even own your own body.  It belongs to Allah Almighty Alone, and it will testify for you and against you in the Day of Judgement.  Yet, you not only cut your bodies, but you also cut your children as the video above shows:

"That day, their tongues, their hands and their feet would testify against them regarding what they used to do.  (The Noble Quran, 24:24)"

"When you used to cover up and conceal your evil deeds, (you never considered) that your ears, your eyes and your skin would testify against you. In fact, you thought that (if you hide your deeds) Allah would not find out much of what you do.  (The Noble Quran, 41:22)"

What more could be said about your repulsive and sick and demented pagan religion??

Why don't you just admit it, you hate the Ahlul-Bayt (as). You are the type of person who would have followed Aisha in the war with Ali (as) which cost the lives of 30000 Muslims.

This is where you and your pagan Shias get ridiculous.  Like I mentioned before:

1-  The polytheist trinitarian pagans do not represent Jesus Christ and his Mother Mary, peace be upon them.  Christ and his Mother are innocent from them and their idol worship.  Yet, the pagans constantly claim that everyone else HATES CHRIST, and is anti-Christ.

2-  Similarly, the people of Bayt are innocent and pucking and disgusted from your pagan and false religion and people, and they are far far away from you.  Your repulsive religion is so despicable, that Hell is too cold of a place for you.  This is clearly shown in the video above.

And to answer your silly point:  No, no Sunni on this earth hates the people of Bayt.  In fact, we revere them so much, and love them so much that we defend them from infidels like your pagan people who worship them.

As to the rest of your ridiculous points and examples about people got upset that they slapped themselves or punched themselves, or grieved bad, those are examples of genuine grievances that don't mean anything here.  You worship the people of the Bayt as I thoroughly demonstrated above.

And as to intercession, again, there is a difference between asking a pious person to make supplications or prayers for you before Allah Almighty, and you DECLARING THAT PRAYING TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY IS POINTLESS AND WON'T BE HEARD, and the only way to do get GOD Almighty's Attention is by praying through the people of the Bayt.  Your top scholars say this.  Again see the ample clips about what they said:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/shias_kufr_exposed.wmv (Arabic)
http://www.answering-christianity.com/shia_kufur_in_english_part_1.wmv (English)

You and I are talking about totally different things here.

This dialogue has further demonstrated how hopelessly deceived your pagan people are.  Keep cutting yourself with knives.  The Doom of Hell is your final Abode.

Osama Abdallah

As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers,

Can you please allow the reader to read my and Amar's responses? 

Thank you,
Osama Abdallah

[amar]

to Adnan:

Sallam

It was reported from ‘Awf ibn Maalik who said: the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The Jews were divided into seventy-one sects, one of which is in Paradise and seventy are in the Fire. The Christians were divided into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which are in the Fire and one is in Paradise. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, my Ummah will be divided into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two will be in the Fire.” It was said, O Messenger of Allah, who are they? He said, “Al-Jamaa’ah.”

Sunan Ibn Maajah, Number 3982



Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam.

Quran 3:19



If not a single Jew or Christian is on the right path (Islam) then how are the majority of Muslims on the right path considering that Islam was split into even more sects as compared to Jews and Christians. Therefore one should not believe they are following the true path just because they were raised up following the religion of the majority. Every Muslim must search truth and not depend on the faith they were raised up with as this is what the enemies of Allah (SWT) did:

Indeed they found their fathers astray. So they hastened [to follow] in their footsteps.

Quran 37:69-70



You quote:

“And hold fast, altogether, by the rope Which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves.” [Al-Qur’an 3:103]


The rope Which Allah (stretches out for you) is the Ahlul-Bayt (as) as well as the Quran proved by this hadith:

The messenger of Allah (saww) said: "I am leaving for you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to both of them you shall not go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that These two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 662-663
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 328
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 109
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 110
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 148
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 553
Sunan, by Daarami, Volume 2, Page 432
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 3, Page 14
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 3, Page 17
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 3, Page 26
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 3, Page 59
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 366
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 370-372
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 182
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 189
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 350
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 366
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 419
Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 585, Number 990
Al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, Page 21
Al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, Page 30
Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 1, Page 230
Al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, Volume 3, Page 62-63
Al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, Volume 3, Page 137
Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Chapter al-Iti'sam bi Habl Allah, Volume 1, Page 44
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (complete version), Volume 4, Page 113
Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, by Ibn Sa'd, Volume 2, Page 194
Al-Jami' al-Saghir, by al-Suyuti, Volume 1, Page 353
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, Volume 9, Page 163
Al-Fateh al-Kabir, by al-Binhani, Volume 1, Page 451
Usdul Ghabah fi Ma'rifat al-Sahaba, by Ibn al-Athir, Volume 2, Page 12


You also quote:

“Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger” [Al-Qur’an 4:59]

The messenger of Allah said to Ali: “You are in the same position with relation to me as Aaron-(Harun) was in relation to Moses but with (this explicit difference) that there is no prophet after me, and that you are the caliph of every believer after me.”

Al-Sunnah, by Ibn Abi A’asim Al-Shaibani, Page 560, Number 1188


The prophet said: "Whoever I am his master, Ali is his master. O God! Love those who love him and be hostile to those who are hostile to him?"

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 2, Page 298
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 63
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 12
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 43



The prophet (saww) had appointed his cousin, Ali, as the caliph over the Muslims after him and had ordered his companions and his wives to congratulate him for this leadership over the believers in Ghadir Khum. Abu Bakr was among the first people to say: "Congratulations, Congratulations to you, O son of Abu Talib. Today you became the master of every believing man and woman".

Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 281
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, Volume 12, Page 49-50
Mishkat al-Masabih, by al-Khateeb al-Tabrizi, Page 557
Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, Volume 1, Part 3, Page 144
Kitabul Wilayah, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari
Al-Musannaf, by Ibn Abi Shaybah
Al-Musnad, by Abu Ya'ala
Hadith al-Wilayah, by Ahmad Ibn 'Uqdah
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 29 from Abu Huraira
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 596 from Abu Huraira



You quote:

“As for those who divide Their religion and break up Into sects, you have no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.” [Al-Qur’an 6:159]

Shia is the original Islam, Imam Hussein (as) before he sacrificed himself said he wanted to bring back the religion his grandfather preached. It was the Sunnis who deviated following the innovations of Umar and co. I will prove this soon from your sources but I first want brother Osama's reply before I move on.


Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq (as) was the teacher of Nuʿmān ibn Thābit (Abu Hanifa), founder of Hanafi school of thought and taught Malik ibn Anas, founder of the Maliki school of thought who in turn taught Al-Shafi who taught Ahmad ibn Hanbal so basically all Sunni school of fiqhs were founded by Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq (as), the sixth Shia Imam, so rather than learning from his students, Shias learn from him, the teacher. Sahih Bukhari has not a single narration from Ja'far Al-Sadiq (as) while it narrates from Abu Hanifa while Shia books narrate a majority from the Ahlul-Bayt (as). It's the Shais who follow the Sunnah of the prophte (saww).

Shias don't worship graves, we pray towards the kibla, we say three times in our third and fourth rukats; Subhanallah Wal-Hamdulillah  Wa La Ilaha Illa Allah Wa Allahu Akbar. We also say in the second and last rakats after sujood; Ash-hadu Alla Ilaha Illa Allah Wahdaho La Shareeka Laho Wa Ash-Hadu Anna Muhammadan ‘Abdoho wa Rasooloh, we also asy the adhan and iqama so how can we be associating?

You said: "I follow the Islam that Umar, Abubakr, Aisha followed."

Then you don't follow Islam, you follow their innovations, again I will show you them from your books just waiting on brother Osama to reply. I will also expose their behaviours that you would have to disassociate yourself from them if you fear Allah (SWT). You do know Umar would go every Saturday to learn from the Jews.

Please don't reply untill you have an answer for every hadith I have posted from your books and make dua asking Allah (SWT) to guide you and not let you be of those who hastened to follow in the footsteps of there forefathers while they were astray.


I will reply brother Osama later after boxing training as I just saw now,

sorry

4-5 hours max

[Tanveer]

Brother Osama, why did you create this section? It's pointless, no one's going to change their views. Can we please just stop this bull?

[QuranSearchCom]

Brother Osama, why did you create this section? It's pointless, no one's going to change their views. Can we please just stop this bull?

No bull about it brother.  Truth seeking is never bull.  I am not fighting with anyone here, and I am allowing Amar to speak his mind freely and to quote freely as he wishes.  I really honestly want to see what the Shias have from evidence.  I want their best arguments to be put forth.  Plain and simple akhi.  No need to be offended about it.  I promise you and everyone that I'll tone down the responses.  And yes akhi, people do change.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Brother Osama, why did you create this section? It's pointless, no one's going to change their views. Can we please just stop this bull?

No bull about it brother.  Truth seeking is never bull.  I am not fighting with anyone here, and I am allowing Amar to speak his mind freely and to quote freely as he wishes.  I really honestly want to see what the Shias have from evidence.  I want their best arguments to be put forth.  Plain and simple akhi.  No need to be offended about it.  I promise you and everyone that I'll tone down the responses.  And yes akhi, people do change.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Thank you brother Osama. I think we should use Jesus.breadoflife as a model.

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Shia is the original Islam, Imam Hussein (as) before he sacrificed himself said he wanted to bring back the religion his grandfather preached. It was the Sunnis who deviated following the innovations of Umar and co. I will prove this soon from your sources but I first want brother Osama's reply before I move on.

Imam Hussein, peace be upon him, did not sacrifice himself to restore the original Islam.  Islam was already there and original:

[005:003]  Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, God is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

What Imam Hussein went out to fight was the corruption that was caused by Muawiyah and his and his son, Yazid.  I don't dispute that, and I said countless times before that I am with Ali and Hussein against Muawiyah and Yazid anyday any time.

Hussein was strongly advised by the people of Medina to not go to Iraq.  They told him that it was going to be fruitless and dangerous for him, because the people of Iraq have already betrayed his father and his older brother, Hasan.  Hussein wasn't gonna be any different, and he wasn't really that much anyway as far as popularity and status and power among the people of Iraq.  You can say he was probably almost irrelevant to them.  And sure enough, he didn't take the advise and set out to Iraq.  He was cut off by and killed.  And no one from Iraq (his supposed army) gave a hoot about him.  And to add further annhialation to injury, his head was dragged from karbala all the way to Damascus by a horse, while his head was on the ground.  And no one from his supposed army lifted a finger to even care.  And now you bark like rabid dogs for him, and injure yourselves and your own children almost to death for him.  It's like rushing to the soccer match when the game is up and everyone left home.  You're too late.  So give it up and start worshiping Allah Almighty for once.  They're all dead.  And they're all with the Judge of Judges now.  Let Him, the Almighty, sort it all out as He should and would.  You're all idol worshipers.

It's a horrible tragedy!!  No Sunni on this earth denies it!  But we don't worship Hussein and turn him into a god because of it.  It's against Islam, and I've already thoroughly demonstrated this in my previous reply.  And we don't do the following to ourselves as your pagan people do (as self-inflicting punishment):


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

You are no more than rabid idol worshipers.  Plain and simple.  You are polytheists, and this is what the Glorious Quran describes you, and I've given the ample Noble Vereses above that thoroughly proved it.

Give it up.  It's all over.  You should worry about your own salvations now, because that seems to be too compromised by your rabid pagan practices.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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wow brother Osama relax, it ain't over, infact the way I see it is you're failing, failing because you haven't refuted those hadiths that I have posted from your sources, not a single one, you're ignoring it like the Christians do. When I went to religionofpeace.com, an anti-Islam website, it had pictures of Sunnis doing terrible things, nice to see you using those very same tactics!

I do thank you for the freedom of speech, I really do. I do ask you however to refute the hadiths instead of just attacking, a good tactic, but when you ignore those hadiths one has to assume you have no answer. I will bring in the parts about Abu Bakr first, I use your hadiths and Quran to expose him. However, I just got back from training and need a meal to ease a headache but after I will begin the refutation. I do suggest you go through my comments and read your hadiths again and just think about it or if you wan't to ignore it just watch those videos I posted that shame your sect and your scholars.

Just to add, I'm honestly suprised you chose to ridicule the act of tatbir after reading my previous comment, you are basically ridiculing the prophet (saww).

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sallam

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Hello amar
You do realise the hadith on leaving behind the ahlul bayt is considered weak and many of its narrators were openly Shia? As is the one on Ali PBUH being our master. I picked these two at random so I assumed the rest will also be weak. Please use authentic hadith and preferably Saheeh Bukhari and Muslim. These are considered the most authentic collections.
Thanks.

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Just to add, I'm honestly suprised you chose to ridicule the act of tatbir after reading my previous comment, you are basically ridiculing the prophet (saww).

As'salamu Alaikum everyone,

You guys do realize that tatbir (tat-beer) is the act of cutting and beating yourself with sharp objects, right?  Notice how this polytheist here didn't even object to the guy who almost killed himself by almost splitting his entire back deeply and wide open with the sharp sword that he swung at himself:


Warning!!  Extremely Graphic!
He almost cut his entire back deeply open.  See how these
polytheists are a cult of infidels who are not Muslims.

Not only that, but I am now the one who is ridiculing the Prophet of Islam too.  I just want everyone to take notice of this.  These polytheists are way too deviants and heretics.  Let's see what is that Hadith again Amar?  Oh, the person who hit his face with both of his hands because he was grieving?  This now justifies all of the evil garbage that you and your pagans do?  Quite ludicrous to say the least.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

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Amar,

I have removed your last 10-page post.  You're really begening to get on my last nerve here, because you continue to drown the debate with stupid links that only mock some Sunni imams in some Mosques for exposing some of your toy guns that you give to your children with modified voices, which say "Shoot Aisha!" (ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp4_7nw1AEs), and give silly narrations about off-topic discussions about the some of the Prophet's Companions.

For the 10th and the last time for you (next time I will ban you), please address the points that I mentioned to you above, which thoroughly demonstrated that your cult is a cult of polytheists.  I don't care about your opinion about our Mother Aisha, Abu Bakr, Umar and so on.  You can keep your opinions to yourself, because they are irrelevant to this discussion.

I am sick and tired of you intentionally posting excessively large posts that do not answer the main point here.  Again, reply directly to my points, or I will ban you.  Reply point for point, or you're out.  Ok?  Spammers are not welcomed here.  I let you post all of the excessive links to give you the room and the benefit of the doubt.  But you seem to be a ludicrous clown who doesn't want to address the main point directly.

So for the last time, either address me DIRECTLY, or I am sorry, I won't let you drown this discussion.  If my points are a threat to your cult, then maybe it's time to reconsider.  But don't intentionally drown my posts with 10-page garbage that is completely off topic.

And no, I am not scared of your stupid narrations.  I just don't care for them.  They're irrelevant to me, because I have TONS OF PROOFS that demonstrated that your cult is all polythiest.  This my friend by itself, if true, will DOOM YOU TO HELL FOR ENTERNITY.  So I don't think your stupid opinion about a mere creation such as Aisha and others really matters beyond this.  First prove that you're not a polytheist, and then we can talk about your silly links about making fun of Imams in Mosques, and critiquing some of the Companions.

I hope this is clear.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah