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[QuranSearchCom]

Also even tho I agree with what you said about 37:10 but it says stars are piercing brightness and we of course we can see the stars so how do we explain that with the 37:20 but thanks for your help jazzakkallah

Mubeen is referring to them up there.  It doesn't mean that we would see it here on earth.  Again, Noble Verse 55:35 speaks about humans penetrating the deep space, and be met with molten copper and gamma rays.  Do we see the molten copper and the rays, in space here on earth, when we look up to the sky?  We do not.  So Noble Verse 37:20 is not saying that those rays are visible for us here on earth when they're ordered to strike certain jinns.


Also, let us examine the Noble Word MUBEEN in the following Noble Verses:

81:19 انه لقول رسول كريم
‏81:20 ذي قوة عند ذي العرش مكين
‏81:21 مطاع ثم امين
‏81:22 وماصاحبكم بمجنون
‏81:23 ولقد راه بالافق المبين
‏81:24 وماهو على الغيب بضنين
‏81:25 وماهو بقول شيطان رجيم

[081:019] Verily this is the word of a most honourable Messenger,
[081:020]  Endued with Power, with rank before the Lord of the Throne,
[081:021]  With authority there, (and) faithful to his trust.
[081:022]  And (O people!) your companion is not one possessed;
[081:023]  And without doubt he saw him in the clear horizon. بالافق المبين
[081:024]  Neither doth he withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen.
[081:025]  Nor is it the word of an evil spirit accursed.

Can you and I, here on earth, see the place where Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, stood to speak with Allah Almighty?  Is it visible here to us on earth?  No it is not.  Yet, MUBEEN was used to describe it.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Sharon]

Thanks jazzakkallah but 2 last points 1. when it says prophet muhammad peace be upon him saw him in verse 81:23 some people say he saw Gabriel because of course the prophet did not see allah in his form and 2. What I meant stars peircing and we can see is verse 86:3 stars peircing so we can see stars peircing brightness so how do we explain these last 2 things it was my fault for the 2 one because I didn't put the verse sorry jazzakkallah but thank for the help

[Sharon]

And what about the verse 44:10 where it says look for visible smoke when it comes visible being mubeen

[QuranSearchCom]

The piercing star in Noble Verse 86:3 is also a star that makes knocking sounds [1].  Allah Almighty called it in Noble Verses 86:1-2 AL-TARIQ.  Here are a few examples:

1-  TARAQA albab means he knocked on the door.
2-  MITRAQA means hammer.
3-  TARQ means knocking, hitting by causing noise.  It doesn't mean punch, because punches don't make knocking sounds.

Ask any Arab Christian about these meanings, and he/she will confirm them.  Also, ask Google.   This is basic Arabic.  So AL-TARIQ star is a star that makes knocking sounds [1].  And it is also a piercing one.  Scientists have recently confirmed that PULSARS DO EXACTLY THAT.  Pulsars:

1-  Making knocking sounds.  I already have links to NASA recordings of the sounds.
2-  Emit rays that are piercing.  Scientists also confirmed this very recently, and I quoted them.


As to the visible smoke that we will see, yes, indeed, it will be undeniable that Judgment Day is coming.  Just like death when it approaches the ill person to take him.  It would be undeniable to that person.




The Prophecy about Space and Science:

Please visit the following link:

www.answering-christianity.com/sci_prophecy.htm

The fact that mankind was ignorant about many of the things about space, and the fact that Allah Almighty promised to show us His Divine Signs in space and throughout science, proves that MUBEEN for the rays that striks the Jinns are the rays that will be discovered by mankind and become known to him.

So it was not MUBEEN to them, nor the knocking sounds were heard by them, but mankind eventually discovered and confirmed the stars that do have this combination.  Just like the MUBEEN SMOKE of the Day of Judgment.  We haven't seen it yet, but when it comes, it'll be MUBEEN, and there will be no mistake about it.

I hope this helps, insha'Allah.  Jazaka or Jazaki Allah Khayr.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Sharon]

Ok thanks jazzakkallah so conclusion is that mubeen flame just means it a flame that is manifest  but it not that we can see it but that we could if we found it like now by teliscopes but not have to be by the naked eye is that correct and also that the jinns can see it if there the ones getting hit chased by it if they go up that far then there see it like us but not by the naked eye on earth by us or jinn by the naked eye on earth but only if we or jinn go up there or by teliscope that it is manifest but only if we see it like go up there or by seeing it by teliscope for us and jinn etc is this correct jazzakkallah

[AMuslimDude213]

Ok thanks jazzakkallah so conclusion is that mubeen flame just means it a flame that is manifest  but it not that we can see it but that we could if we found it like now by teliscopes but not have to be by the naked eye is that correct and also that the jinns can see it if there the ones getting hit chased by it if they go up that far then there see it like us but not by the naked eye on earth by us or jinn by the naked eye on earth but only if we or jinn go up there or by teliscope that it is manifest but only if we see it like go up there or by seeing it by teliscope for us and jinn etc is this correct jazzakkallah

Now that is one confusing question
Mind=blown

[AMuslimDude213]

No  offense but really,it is confusing,try to write with better english.Not trying to make fun but your english is kinda..it needs to be worked on.

[Sharon]

I have said this before I am using a mobile so I'm trying to keep it to the point if I write everything properly I would be here all day I don't have a computer if I did it would be put down properly ok

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum sister Sharon,

Yes, the flames that strike the Jinns are MUBEEN for the reasons that you summarized, which were also elaborated on by me, above.  Please do not hesitate to ask more questions.  We are all here to help you, insha'Allah.

Jazaki Allah Khayr.  May Allah Almighty continue to strengthen your faith in Islam, and also protect you as well.  Ameen.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah