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The lie that Muslims have killed 270 million Back on the 9th December last year I came again across the claim that “Islam is the bloodiest religion ever” and has killed 270 million people. This claim was made on Facebook by a supporter of the English Defence League. The usual twaddle about “educate yourself”, which is right up there with other catchphrases like “Do your research” and “Open your eyes”. This is the original comment to which I was responding. "This is a world problem. They have killed 270 million non-Muslims. Isn’t that enough? And they do it brutally. You must educate yourself." As I suspected that an EDL supporter’s ‘research’ amounts to believing and repeating whatever it says on some Islamophobic website and knowing the claimed death toll was ridiculous, I decided to investigate the claims. Below is my reply to the EDL supporter, which was very comprehensive, in its entirety. I came across the website and the claim was made by Bill Warner, who gave sources for his claims. I therefore actually went and investigated his sources, discovering that for the most part he was claiming things that weren’t even mentioned in his sources. *********************************************************************************** Right, let’s have a look at the source of this claim. This gives the sources:
http://cafejohn.com/is-islam-the-bloodiest-ideology-ever/ "Africans Thomas Sowell estimates that eleven million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and fourteen million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached the plantation, five others died by being killed in the raid or died on the forced march from illness and privation. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have the collateral death of about 120 million people. Muslims ran all the wholesale slave trade in Africa. Death toll: 120 million Africans” First of all the 5 to 1 ratio is based on an estimate by one man, who was in one part of Africa for a limited period of the history of slavery, and who was making a guess. Secondly 25 million times 5 is 125 million. A more reliable estimate, i.e. not one based on a single eye witness making a rough guess, is Rummel. Rummel estimates a total death toll of 17,267,000 African slaves (1451-1870) Among slaves going to Orient: 2,400,000 dead Among slaves staying in Africa: 1,200,000 dead Among slaves going to New World: 13,667,000 dead Also [Thomas Sowell estimates] 11 million of those slaves were transported by Christian slavers, who seem to be strangely absent from the narrative, with huge numbers dying on the way. "Christians The number of Christians martyred by Islam is nine million. A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another fifty million died in wars by jihad. So to account for the one million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have: 60 million Christians” David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10, the source of the nine million Christians killed, pops up all over the place when it comes to doing just what you’re doing. Martyrdom according to them can include accidents, killing people for money, martyrdom where only the victim knows they’re a martyr and domestic violence. In other words any Christian that is killed for any reason is a martyr. They also speak of “End Times” as part of their future projection, a religious fundamentalist belief that somewhat makes me doubt the credibility of their claims. They claim that 9.1 million Christians have been killed by Muslims, but also say that 7.47 million have been killed by shamanists, 5.3 million by other Christians and 31.7 million have been killed by atheists. David B. Barrett also wrote the World Christian Encyclopedia that "consistently gave a higher estimate for percent Christian in comparison to other cross-national data sets", so he inflates figures in other words. "A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another fifty million died in wars by jihad." Hooray, a ‘rough estimate’! What Moore actually says is: "Between the tolls exacted from prisons, concentration camps, forced marches and exiles, warfare, famine, and brutal military occupation, it is reasonable to conclude that up to 50 million Orthodox Christians have perished in the first eight decades of the twentieth century."
http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm That’s as a cause of all persecution, not just Muslims. So that includes Communism and Nazism. He [Raphael Moore] gives the death toll of Orthodox Christians by the Ottoman Empire as 3,650,000. So that knocks 46,350,000 off the 270 million figure straight away. "Hindus Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of eighty million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. Death toll: 80 million Hindus” Koenraad Elst is a contributer to various Far Right publications and has a particular dislike for Islam that he compares to Nazism. That’s not a good start if we are looking for an unbiased source! So this is what he [Koenraad Elst] uses for his belief that Muslims killed 80 million Hindus:
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books/negaind/ch2.htm "As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention Prof. K.S.Lal’s estimates about the population figures in medieval India (Growth of Muslim Population in India). According to his calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). More research is needed before we can settle for a quantitatively accurate evaluation of Muslim rule in India, but at least we know for sure that the term crime against humanity is not exaggerated." K. Elst, Negationism in India. So in other words the Muslim genocide against Hindus is based on nothing more than population decline over 525 years! That could be a natural decline, famines or plagues! Seeing as white British birthrates have dropped over the last 40 years, shall we say the Muslims are committing genocide against British whites? "Buddhists Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly ten million. Death toll: 10 million Buddhists” The reference for that is given as “Barrett and Johnson, table 4”, which in fact lists the types of Christian martyrs and makes no mention of Buddhists whatsoever. In fact they only mention the 1.81 million Christians killed by Buddhists. The only other references to the 10 million figure are the various neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim websites that abound. So that’s another 10 million that can’t be accounted for. "Jews The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.” No references for this at all, but the Jews only formed a few scattered tribes in Arabia anyway (they weren’t a majority that was wiped out by Islam) and still constitute a minority. Jews never had the status of Christians in Christian countries anyway and actually were better treated in Muslim ones. Christians had a nasty habit in indulging in pogroms. Please tell us what happened to the American Indian native religions when America was settled by Christians? "This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad." Rough as in give or take 256,350,000! Let’s go back to the person who compiled all this information and came up with the 270 million figure. "For the first time I have seen the estimate of Islamic death toll in an interview with Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam. I have put the numbers into the context of other well know brutal world atrocities." Bill Warner’s website has on its blog page an article that compares the Koran to Mein Kampf, which is a breach of Godwin’s Law straight away. If this was an academic paper about Islam that would discredit it immediately. It also contains an article entitled “An Ethical Basis for War Against Political Islam” and there’s this too:
http://www.zimbio.com/Islam/articles/jPX5qkzcZIq/TWO+BILL+WARNER+Bill+Warner+director+Center "We must form political units that work in unison. Our nation started with conventions. Kafirs must get together in forums, groups and conventions. Before any government goes to war against political Islam, it must be pressured to do so by its citizens." "Any convention must form an intellectual basis for war. That is, it must define the enemy. It is the purpose of the enemy, Islam, to annihilate our kafir civilization." So in other words he wants World War III against Muslims. Well his figure of 270 million killed by Muslims is just bound to be completely unrelated to him saying that Islam is an enemy that must be destroyed! *********************************************************************************** I’ve since encountered this ridiculous claim by someone who obviously lusts for a genocidal world war on his website “Political Islam”, which is here:
http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/ It’s been repeated everywhere and is always used as a reason to terrify people about Muslims. According to the actual sources provided by Warner that give actual figures of people killed by Muslims, not his guesses, and including Rummel’s genocide figures that I used, the death toll comes down to: 3.6 million non-Christian Africans not 120 million (2,400,000 dead slaves going to the Orient + 1,200,000 dead slaves staying in Africa). 9.1 million Christians not 60 million. Even that may be an over-estimate though, because of the questionable methods of David B. Barrett. Warner claims 9 million Christians were martyred by Islam, but then includes all 50 million Orthodox Christians killed by Communism and Nazism as being victims of Islam. He also includes "one million African Christians killed in the 20th century", which he gives no source for to prove whether they were all killed by Muslims or if that figure is even true. So he says 9 million Christians have been killed by Islam in total, then adds another 51 million to that total! An indeterminate number of Hindus not 80 million. Obviously Hindus are killed by Muslims, but with no actual figures we will have to ignore Warner’s 80 million figure. An indeterminate number of Buddhists not 10 million. Obviously Buddhists are killed by Muslims, but with no actual figures we will have to ignore Warner’s 10 million figure. No genocide of the Jews in Saudi Arabia. This seems to stem from the incident at the Battle of the Trench in 627 in which the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza, who were allies of the Muslims, swapped sides and fought against them. As a result of their treachery 400 to 900 men of the tribe were killed and the women and children were enslaved. However this sentence was carried out in accordance to Jewish law, as in the Torah, on the decree of the chief of another Jewish tribe who were still allied to the Muslims. This plus mistranslated passages in the Koran is part of the Islamophobic belief that Islam is anti-Semitic and Mohammed rampaged round Arabia slaughtering Jews. The fact of the matter is that they were not killed for being Jews but for being traitors. For comparison during the First Crusade in 1096 at least 800 Jews were killed at Worms and 1,100 Jews were killed at Mainz by Christians for being Jews. Yet the English Defence League model themselves on crusaders. During the Black Death in 1349 Jews were suspected of causing the plague by poisoning wells, so 600 Jews were burned alive in Basel, between 900 and 2,000 Jews were burned alive in Strasbourg, another 420 Jews were massacred in Worms, 6,000 Jews died in Mainz and another 4,000 Jews in Breslau. Tens of thousands of Jews were murdered during the Black Death, all by Christians for being Jewish. Total = 12.7 million not 270 million people killed by Muslims over about 1,400 years and not specifically in the name of Islam either. The Ottomans didn’t kill the Armenians in the name of Islam for instance. A similar number of Jews, Poles, Soviet POWs, Romani, disabled people, socialists, trade unionists, homosexuals, pacifists and Jehovah’s Witnesses were exterminated over a 6 year period by Christians. Previously in my haste I accidentally left out the Africans who died in North Africa and the Middle East, and didn’t include the 3.65 million Christian victims of the Ottoman Empire and the mysterious 1 million African Christians figure in the rounded down Christian total of 9 million. A double count of Christian deaths in other words. That was 9 million + 3.65 million + 1 million = 13.65 million. This time it goes 9.1 million + 3.6 million = 12.7 million, meaning that Bill Warner was out by 257.3 million.
