Between these walls of text - where you don't even bother separate - , where did you ask this ? However , we invite people to one true lord who says about himself :
112:1 Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One, 2 Allah , the Eternal Refuge. 3 He neither begets nor is born, 4 Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
We invite to respect of parents , helping ones in need , being patient in hardships , and the list would go on and on if I keep going .
All the parts 1-4 are the same as various religions out there Jehovah's Witnesses believe that same thing as do Jews what is the different many religions claim that their |god is the true God and they teach the refuge thing aswellas their is only one and not born no other like him. I don't understand what your god does to prove this. For the most part Satan has taken upon himself to start to spread moral religions that are false many false religions tell people to help others etc.
When I look at religions besides Christianity |I see works based entrance into an afterlife and different customs that are meaningless and peculiar to the religion in question. Yoga for Hindus not eating pork for Jews. Priests can't get married Catholics. I want to know what is unique
You seem to turn a blind eye to serious problems whenever you make a statement . Without words , how on Earth will you know that the "actions" you preach are right ? You seem to be a rare breed of Christians I have never seen before . While they all defend the Bible and claim it wasn't corrupted , here you are acting like it wouldn't matter .
First I know you believe God gives a conscious so I don't necessarily need to be told what is right by God He gave me a conscious that |I transgress. Furthermore, when I condemn another and say that is wrong |I've just created a standard for myself that I also will eventually transgress. For example a girl who calls a girl who has premarital sex a bad name has now set a standard she is likely to break in the future, and in so doing she sins. I agree that most of the time the words come first and the actions later. For instance The Jews were told God was infinite in love but they didn't see Gods actions of love as a nation until Until God became a man to die for their eternal salvation. Nevertheless, actions don't always come first for the first century Christians they had no law and no revelation of the One (Echad composite oneness) True God but they still believed when told of God's Actions. In Fact the actions of God proved greater because the words of God to the Jews were already full filled in Christ and caused many Christians to stumble seeing as how they were taught the greater (actions not words) first they experienced freedom. It would be like being shown how to fly before you can walk and then being expected to walk every where. Why go back to the letter of the Law when The Spirit Of Christ has set me free.
I won't defend the bible's accuracy because you will never believe its been preserved even though Allah in your book backs it up by saying they are his words to the Jews and Christians and also says his words can never be altered by men. The very idea that the bible is corrupt is blasphemy in your religion, but I digress. I am trying to help you see the actions of God which are greater than any words ever spoken because in them are eternal life The gospel of Christ is |God becoming a man to die for sins so that those who rely on who God is (Jesus) and what God did to take them to Heaven will go to Heaven. this is not something God just said it's something he did. I hope I'm not a rare breed of Christian I could care less if you believed the entire bible was false if you believed Jesus is |God and He is the only way to go to heaven because he died and rose again because at least then you would go to Heaven. This is not saying that the Bible is false its 100% true, but you will never believe it because don't have Gods Holy Spirit to explain them to you not until you admit Jesus is God and he died to take you to heaven. The whole post was to get people to think what it was that Allah had done specifically to prove who he is. That's why the question invalidates his words because all sorts of gods claim the same stuff Allah does that doesn't make them God. As far as what I've been told Allah is not unique among any gods I've studied No one tells me anything he does only what he says. I'm left thinking how deceived can people be to believe words, no matter how poetic, if no actions follow. This goes back to my painter analogy anybody can claim to be the creator, but their actions have to back it up.
Well I can claim that such people are the ones who altered the true message of Christ peace upon him . So answer your own challenge and show us why should we believe them ?
You can't say the Bible has been changed since Allah told your prophet that the Taurat (old testament) is God's word to the Jews And the Injuils (the New Testament) is Gods' word to the Christians people of the book
Furthermore these surahs say "Shall I seek for judge other than God? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all. S. 6:114-115
And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him. S. 18:27
How can God's words be changed you are not a muslim if you deny the bible so believe what I'm telling you I am a Christian a person of the book and I preach to you its message unchanged and forever true.
You've been going on and on about this for a while now without seeing serious issues with it . Why did God leave people misguided all that time without "revealing himself" (I already said it's blasphemy and impossible) ?
No God did reveal Himself to the Jews and people knew that the God of Israel was the true God because He was the only Gods to save His people with Actions. The nations were supposed to leave their Idols and come to the Jews to teach them more about God, but the |Jews were terrible witnesses about God. Most of them didn't believe even though they saw with their own eyes what Gods was doing, and the other half were limited in what they could do because the law was weak because it was given to the flesh. Even before the jews he has left a witness of Himself in nature and probably a lot of priests and prophets, like Melchiezadek and Abraham) over the years before the law came to Moses for the Jews. Lastly the message of Jesus is universal and supersedes the laws because the promise of eternal salvation was given before the law and the law has already been fulfilled in Christ.
Then kill , rape , steal , and do whatever hideous crimes come to your mind since you're going to heaven . THIS is the issue here . Your arrogance makes you think that your belief is enough to have the mercy of Allah . We on the other hand take belief AND actions . And while Allah promises a good life in the afterlife to who believes in him , we always ask him to guide us to the best and take us away from the worst . If mercy would be given to whomever , people's rights would go down the drain ! You're talking about fantasies here , we're talking about reality .
This statement here proves the truths I've been trying to teach you all along |If |I was born with a neutral or good nature able to do what is right then why would you tell me to do these things. The fact of the matter is you like most people know, maybe subconsciously that we have a corrupt nature because we know the horrible thoughts that we have. Why would you ask me to do these things if they are extremely wrong? I know its because they are what the flesh nature enjoys. The evil nature we are born with enjoys doing evil things, but |I have a new nature I'm born again. These things You mention disgust me. God has taught me himself that these things lead to death. Why would I return back to slavery once having been set free? Sin was once my master and all I could do was want these things and sin. The consequences of the law would prevent me from doing these things in real life, but my mind couldn't help but do them, and I would enjoy them in fact I was unable to stop. Now I can not only stop sinning I can do real good from a motive of Love of God rather than fake good from a selfish motive. I have God living inside me, and we enjoy new (for me not Them) things together.
I don't do these things because I love God and |I don't want to hurt them by sinning. Furthermore I am very active in sharing the gospel that says faith in Jesus as God and Savior is all it takes to get to Heaven, so if |I sin people are less likley to trust the message from God in human terms. |You seem to think that Human effort restrain sin in the world. It doesn't Only God restrains sin in the world . And don't get any funny Ideas he Doesn't do it through laws But by His awesome power presence and Sovereignty. After all laws have up to this point have not eradicated sin in the world, but God's power and presence in my life has defeated sin.
Mercy is given to Whomever God wishes , He is sovereign, don't decieve yourself how can you tell |God to whom he should have mercy. God has saved serial killers rapists and murderers |He saves the worst of the worst to show How infinitely merciful He is, and it's not my place as a sinner who deserves to be in hell to say God don't do that they are really bad. People should really learn to take the log out of their own eye before they start seeing specks in other peoples eyes.
The mercy of Allah is what saves us , and in case you don't know - you don't - , on of the names of Allah is the merciful . We attain a balance between love , fear , and hope . We worship Allah out of love , fear of his might and punishment for our sins , and hope of his mercy . Further more , Allah said prophets are to enter paradise , and while that is with his mercy as well , it still answers you .
Before I was a Christian people told me they loved me all the time |I quickly learned through much heart ache and betrayal that talk is cheap. I would never love |God if all he said was that |He loved me. He had to show me which |He did in dying for me? I have no fear of God's punishment its already been paid. Nevertheless, I still respect and revere |God because of who he is. |But my fear of God or my love of |God don't take me to |Heaven. |I trust that |Jesus will take me there. |I don't understand how you can hope in Allah's mercy if all he does is talk about it. I hope in God's mercy to but my Gods mercy has already been demonstrated on the cross. How do you know your god is merciful? |Because its one of his names or because he says he is is not a sufficient answer what has he done?
And I suppose the "love" you keep talking about is just ? And no , forgiving sins doesn't contradict being just . Do I need to repeat such a simple given fact ? When I as a human forgive someone who did wrong against me , am I being unjust ?
Yes, God The Fathers Love is just I deserve to be punished for my sins, but The Father Loves me so |He sent His only Son to die and take my punishment in my place. |He didn't just forgive me that would be unjust.
No you are not unjust in forgiving someone who wrongs you, but ||God is. You see your not a judge. If I were to steal 100 dollars from you and the judge was my father and he forgave me without any punishment or me returning your money, then the judge is unjust. In the same way God is unjust in punishing some people for their sins and "forgiving" looking the other way or excusing others. It's His authority as a judge that makes forgiving some one wrong because he has said he will punish sins and if he forgive some one then who has paid the punishment.
I already told you , we combine both belief and work . We don't just sit back and do nothing and then expect to be rewarded for that .
The same thing is taught in some false teaching cults that claim to be Christians. Faith in Jesus as God and Savior alone saves. I trust Jesus to take me to heaven. If I were to say |I trust Jesus and my work |I would be trusting in my self. |God doesn't need my hep to save me. He takes me to Heaven for free because He loves me and wants to show me how awesome He is. I'm not rewarded with Heaven eternal life is a gift I freely received from |God based on |His love and |His forgiveness, not my own work. Based on what you say takes you to Heaven your religion is no different from Catholics Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses Faith plus works as a way to go to heaven leads people straight to hell.
No one is except whom Allah said will . That is why we do good and avoid evil . If everyone were sure to go to heaven eventually , there won't be a reason for good deeds and no reason to avoid evil deeds . And as I already explained , we combine love , fear , and hope .
As a Christian their are excellent reasons to do good or is loving God not a good enough reason to avoid evil and do good. Furthermore, I can now be like God. Why wouldn't I want to imitate my Father He is awesome. You simply don't know what its like to be free its sad but even your mind is so enslaved you can't conceive of a good reason to do good and avoid evil beyond your selfish and evil motive to save your self and earn, or should I say bribe, your way into heaven. I'm sorry but God demands perfection for people to enter heaven and the few good things you may think you do can never take away your sins.
While there is a huge difference between the "sins" of the prophets and the sins of the rest of mankind , yes , no human is sinless because no one is perfect except the almighty himself . And we don't say prophet Muhammad is "perfect" as in the sense he's flawless , but as in that he is the best of mankind . In the end , it's probably just a misconception about the term .
Their is no difference in terms of sins in God's eyes all sins are the same. If I break one commandment I'm guilty of breaking them all. Furthermore, to think about sin is the same as doing it as Jesus said if I lust after a woman I've committed adultery in my Heart. Their is only one kind of perfect some muslims claim |Mohammed was perfect. All Muslims don't have the same beliefs but I hope you don't say that he was perfect because that is not what you believe and to teach some one that is to disguise the truth.
Like I said , go ahead and sin all you like since you'll go to heaven for sure . And don't bother with any good deeds .
Again you don't know what its like to be free. But its awesome to be free after a lifetime in slavery to sin. I don't want to let sin rule me. I Like having God control me.
You mean all the prophets according to YOUR book . And that's why they did adultery , killed , and worshiped other than Allah . But we declare that they are innocent of what you falsely describe .
Its sad but you really only have one Prophet in the |Bible we can compare the words of One Prophet to countless others and by them we are assured it is all |Gods word because All of Gods words through prophets are beautifully and intricately interwoven through out all the books of the Bible. From Genesis to revelation it doesn't Contradict and the pinnacle is Jesus God in Human flesh. I feel sorry for you because you have no other person to compare your book or your prophet to. Its sad because in reality you do you are supposed to compare the quran to the bible to see if it is true like this surah says
"And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers. S. 10:94-95"
But sadly you know the books contradict, and instead of taking the obvious solution to reject the one inconsistent prophet versus the at least 30 others you trust the one that goes against all of God's prophets and say the bible has been changed. This is a shame.
Both . In addition to hope
Sorry but fear is not greater then love. We are told love is greater than all. Something that is very sound logically and needs no further proof. because true love (God's love) involves God and the person loving and some one else.
I already explained that we combine all three in our worship . But still , if I know I'd go to hell for eternity , would I be considered selfish if I do something to prevent that ? Especially on such a day :
80:33 But when there comes the Deafening Blast 34 On the Day a man will flee from his brother 35 And his mother and his father 36 And his wife and his children, 37 For every man, that Day, will be a matter adequate for him.
|Yes you are still selfish it's obvious you are only interested in saving yourself that is still so sinful yuor so used to being a slave of sin you probably can't see it, but compare it to Jesus giving up His |Godly powers for a time to live as a servant not to be a king on earth but to serve and save me (someone who used to hate Him) taking the punishment that |I deserve From God the |Father in my place . That's to great.
NOTHING we ever do is enough respect to Allah almighty . That is why there is mercy . Still , that doesn't mean to NOT do good .
I understand what your saying, but it still doesn't fulfill the most merciful statement. The mercy you describe is at best half mercy. I will keep saying it you do good so you can get Allah's mercy or go to heaven, but that is not doing good at all that selfish motive makes it sin.
Have you no shred of shame ? YOU'RE the one who said :
|Jesus is not merely a man that is what I was responding too You said Jesus was a mere man How can He create everything. Jesus Is God and He became a man.
Twist it however you like , that's imperfection . There can be an Afro Asian who has the characteristics of both , but that's because both are human and finite . You want me to believe that the unlimited is the same as the limited . Two contradicting statements cannot be both right .
Jesus being in the flesh is not imperfection its limited but not imperfect. I'm not talking about superiority like Jesus was the perfect man he was the not the strongest or the most handsome. He was, however, morally perfect which is what |God cares about not whats on the outside but the moral condition of a mans heart. He was like Adam born without sin, but he continued in that state of moral perfection all his life.
This statement of yours isn't worth a penny . He may not have been perfect - perfection is only for Allah - but he's STILL the best of mankind . Being best doesn't mean you're flawless . You're trying to play with words here and you fail .
Their is only one kind of perfect sorry the one playing with words is you. You've rightly said that the only one who Is perfect is God, but that is only Half true. See only Gods(Father Son and Spirit) are innately perfect, but you see I am also perfect otherwise how can an imperfect being enter into a perfect place in the presence of The perfect Gods? I am perfect but not innately. I was born a sinner and god has perfected me by cleansing and forgiving all my sins. This is another theological problem that you have to address how imperfect people enter Heaven.
Why do I have the feeling a simple Google search will prove this wrong ? Further more , that's YOUR belief . And how on Earth would God place himself on the scale of judgement ?! 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 ! Do you see the problem here ?!
Jesus is perfect. I'm sorry that a google search brings up all the bad things Mohammed did, but Jesus stood in front of many people all of which wanted to catch Him in sin and said which one of you convicts |Me of sin. Everyone shut up then because he lived the word of God day in day out no one could ever bring any charge against Him so they made up a charge and He was wrongfully convicted of a crime He didn't commit. If they couldn't find sin in Him back then what chance do we have.The only logical thing to do would be to read the New Testament see all his words and actions He never sinned. All prophets but Jesus sinned sorry but its true read the Bible you'll see.
A nice way to turn around the actual issue . You just said he died . That means he's finite . That means he lacks power . Being human in itself is imperfection . Why would I worship someone imperfect ?
He doesn't lack power He laid down His life of His own accord. He wasn't all powerful while a man He became a man and gave up His godly attributes, omniscience omnipotence, While retaining what is Called Gods communicable attributes, in other words God's moral perfections. Again innate moral perfection is Divine so He is perfect and always is God, besides that He is no longer a man He is Glorified and now Has all the Godly attributes He always Had He is back With God the Father. You don't honor God if you dont Honor Jesus to the same degree as God the Father.
While Jews lack a lot of faith and Christians lack a lot of asking for proof , we have both . When we're convinced with proof of Islam , we believe whatever it says by faith . But when the foundation of the religion itself is impossible to understand , what proof is there ?!
God makes my religion understandable at one point I was just like You I thought the bible was impossible to understand and I hated i, but God saved me and made me understand the truths of it. Of course it impossible to understand it's from God and only He reveals the Understanding. That's not to say their is no proof their area ton of prophecies in the bible that are still coming true. Not to be a jerk, but Israel becoming a nation and owning the land God promised them after being scattered for 2000 years and nearly being annihilated by Hitler is one of many prophecies in the |Bible. This isn't a thing we look to history for this happened in our generation and God continues to protect it from being overthrown. Constant war in Israel is another thing that's in the |Bible it is still happening today. I tell you another thing they are going to rebuild the temple of THE LORD that's for sure too its in the Bible believe it its going to happen. No proof, the change in my person is proof enough to me I am no longer a slave to sin.
Allah isn't just about love . And love isn't in the 99 names . Look them up .
That wasn't my point, but like I said Love is greater then all and it permeates all God does in my life so I keep that perspective When dealing with others. I've seen the names before I have muslim freinds I'm here to better understand Islam thanks you've been a great help I hope someone else reads this too and responds
