This is getting far too ridiculous! It's already been demonstrated to you countless times before that Muslims are clearly instructed to follow Prophet Muhammad also. And this is from the very Glorious Quran Itself:
"What Allah gave as booty (Fai) to His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from the people of the townships, - it is for Allah, His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), the kindred (of Messenger Muhammad SAW), the orphans, AlMasakin (the poor), and the wayfarer, in order that it may not become a fortune used by the rich among you. And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. (The Noble Quran, 59:7)"
http://www.answering-christianity.com/beliefs_i_embrace_and_condemn.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
Asalamu Alikum brother Osama,
Before I start, I just want to let you know that I do not mean to be rude or disrespectful on this forum especially on the month of Ramadan--I will try to just give arguments in support of my belief and then give and receive constructive criticism. By the way, Ramadan Mubarak! I wish you and your family well, may Allah hear your prayers.
Your interpretation of that verse
cannot be true because you are elevating Muhammad to being a Law maker besides God. This is in sharp violation to many Quranic verses such as 6:114, 42:21 and 66:1. Moreover, you did not take into account the context:
1- These two verses (59:6-7) speak very clearly about the
spoils of war and nothing else. The words "that which God gives as spoils from the defeated towns" confirm that the subject is the spoils of war.
2- More important the source of what is given to the people by the messenger "what the messenger asigns to you" is God and not the messenger. This is confirmed with the words "what God restored for His messenger". What this means is that whatever is given to the believers, and even though is given by the messenger, yet the source is still God. The spoils of war are given to the messenger in order that he may distribute them in
accordance to God's rules.
3- We read that the messenger is told specifically how to distribute these spoils of war: "for the relatives, the orphans, the needy, and the traveling alien".
Therefore the messenger has NO legislative power, Allah has all the power as he tells the messenger how to distribute these spoils of war. 4- Following these words, God says that the believers should accept what the messenger gives them (of the spoils) and refrain from what is not given to them. In other words, God is telling the believers to accept the way the messenger distributes these spoils of war without grumbling. Now the messenger distributes these spoils of war in the way Allah ordered him. So to disobey the messenger is to disobey Allah.
5- The words "so it would not remain monopolised by the strong among you" is further conclusive proof that God is not speaking about the hadith or sunna of the messenger but is speaking about material gains, i.e the spoils of war.
6- Please do not fall for the Sunni and Shia Guru and Imam action of taking that verse: "take what the messenger gives you" and quoted it in isolation in order to deceive. They will have their punishment with Allah.
This is where you get your apples and oranges all mixed up. Even if the Hadith is false, this still wouldn't make the ritual itself false. Whether one is a Muslim or not, one couldn't be that ridiculously off in his brain to believe that the INHERITED SUNNAH, which had been practiced by billions upon billions of Muslims throughout the ages, isn't original Islam! You couldn't say for example that SURAT AL-FATIHA isn't obligatory to read in every Prayer, just because the Quran doesn't say so.
All it takes is a group of sheiks or Imams or religious gurus and a fabricated hadith to start a new Islamic practice. They can just say, "the prophet Muhammad said that you should..." and then everyone follows it and it gets inherited.
Let's say someone wrote a hadith about the stoning of the devil, and it has been followed ever since....that doesn't make it part of Islam.
Nevertheless, the point of hajj is to commemorate Allah, not satan.
You have to differentiate between the inherited Sunnah and some of the stupid false and blasphemous hadiths, such as Moses punched the Angel of death in the eye, which forced Allah Almighty to extend Moses' life, after Allah Almighty SUPPOSEDLY decided to take it and had sent the Angel of Death to take it. Moses punched in the face both the Angel of Death and Allah Almighty's Will I suppose.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/beliefs_i_embrace_and_condemn.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
I'm so happy that we are on the same page that many hadiths are fabricated. But I take it a step further and say hadiths are not a part of Islam---they are culture. True Islam is derived from the teachings in the Quran not the cultural aspects of Islam.
I can't say that I agree about the inherited sunnah argument. Some people can be following fabricated hadiths in the past and then they get inherited into our modern islam.
If you can show me where in the Quran we are authorized to follow another source of law, that would completely destroy Quran only Islam and I will happily become a sunni Muslim again. the problem is if sunnis/shias cannot give one Quranic verse supporting their belief system--then how they honestly maintain their beliefs? They really can't, they must be intellectually dishonest.
The stoning of the devil is part of the Hajj, whether you like it or not. This is Islam. Don't try to modify it, akhi. The Noble Verses that you mention about the Glorious Quran is Complete, yes, those are about your Salvation! Not about how to dress, how to speak, how to eat, etc... The Commands are there for being a good and pious Muslim, and one who doesn't harm others. But the Hadiths detail everything.
I hope this makes sense for you now.
The hadiths cannot detail anything more brother! The Quran already has all the details, there are no more details to be given!
The Quran is clear that it has all the details! What is the sunni response to this?? Did Allah not really mean that the Quran is fully detailed? I don't see a way out of this.
[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
[Quran 10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
If you were Allah and you wanted to say the Quran is fully detailed, how would you better word those verses? You can't they are absolutely clear, the Quran has details of everything.