There are a lot of books (not short videos) that use those types of hadiths to attack Islam, but that does not mean that we will hide behind the Quran and reject the hadiths.
Unfortunately, their attacks on hadiths are reasonable.
Yes, the death penalty for apostates is in the hadiths (http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/of_course_apostates_should_be_killed). What we should do now is to defend the islamic law, the way it is and not to try to change it or to reject it in order to escape attacks from nonmuslims. There are many reasons why the penalty for apostasy is death.
NO! It is against the Quran to kill apostates
Let there be no compulsion in religion.. [2:256]And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers? [10:99]
15:2-3 "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."
18:29 "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it)
A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back. [3:72]
Read up on this topic.
The same with violence against those people who draw the Prophet.
I know that, that's why I said it. What is so wrong with drawing in the prophet? Did the Quran say not to? It nothing more than a cultural nonsense. Allah is beyond this nonsense.
I understand that it is some kind of emotional issue, but to attack them for it? That is just wrong. Let's use our reason.
The Prophet being a pedophile does not stem from hadiths. Yes, he was married to a nine yeas old
I doubt Aisha reached puberty at 9 years old. This problem definately stems from hadtihs as the Quran says no such thing.
As for the allegation that the Quran supports pedophilia, I dealt with this very subject and so did AnsweringChristianity.com. There is no such thing in the Quran.
http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/age-of-marriage-in-islam.html I said earlier that no country today follows the Shariah, ask any islamic scholar if you want.
I agree no country follows Shariah to the fullest extent, but they follow some parts of Shariah in hadiths like death for apostates.
The translation of Sahih International is:
And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment. (31:6)
So, it is quite important to read the entire verse. The word hadith is used there, but do you know that hadith can also mean a story etc. and not only sayings of our Prophet? And you can see clearly that it has nothing to do with the hadiths that we follow by reading the last sentence (Those will have a humiliating punishment.). So all the scholars, for 1400 years, all of them will have a humiliating punishment?
I am baffled that you would go to such lengths...
Why do you think we refer to hadiths as Hadiths? Because they are hadiths (Amusement of speech). Secondly this verse is exactly warning us about those who uphold these baseless saying to
mislead others from the way of Allah. That is exactly what the 'sahih' hadiths do and are.
No, those who followed the actual sayings of the prophet and experienced it themselves will not have a humiliating punishment because they weren't following 'hadiths' and their hadiths most likely did not contradict the Quran. That is a different problem.
Secondly, you are assuming that scholars in the past have been following Hadiths in place of the Quran. That assumption itself comes from Hadiths! This information you got comes from hadiths. So this is circular reasoning on your part.
Allah has put this verse in their for a reason and the word that refers to the corrupted sayings of the prophet in modern types is hadith. You don't think we called them hadiths for a reason?
The argument can go like this if you didn't understand what I meant:
Premise 1: The Quran speaks of people who uphold baseless stories/amusement in speech to divert others from the path of God
Premise 2: Our 'sahih' hadiths are baseless stories/amusements in speech that do divert others from the path of God
Premise 3: Therefore this Quranic verse is referring to our hadiths
The only controversial premise is premise 2. In defense of premise 2, you have seen contradictions and corruptions in the sahih hadiths--you have seen them go against the Quranic teaching (in the example I showed in apostasy). So the conclusion follows from the premises.
Your issue is circular reasoning. The tafsirs use hadiths to interpret the Quran and you use that to say that I am wrong. That is the biggest no-no. I simply follow what that verse is saying through lexicons, word for word translations, and the context. Speaking of the context, look at the verse that comes right AFTER it.
Quran 31:7 And when our verses are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he had not heard them, as if there was in his ears deafness. So give him tidings of a painful punishment.I'm seeing a strong mirror to how the Quran says there is no punishment for apostasy and you rejecting those verses in favor of hadiths.
I also wanted to stress the absurdity of using hadiths or the past people's opinions to translate the Quran.
Quran 6:67 For every announcement there is a term, and you will come to know.Quran 38:88 And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time."If there is a term for every tiding and a period of time in which the Quranic definition will be understood, then how could 7th century people know exactly what the verses are saying if they didn't live in the future times where the verses will be understood?
With no intent to insult, what you said here is absolutely foolish. Are you saying to me that for 1400 years the Muslims were following something they shouldn't have followed?
Nope, I say they followed the real teachings and you follow the corrupted version of those teachings.
This means that Allah could not save the teachings that He revealed.
The teaching Allah revealed is in the Quran.
Note the words "all things" in 16:89 means all matters, big and small alike. The words "fully detailed" in 6:114 simply means that the Quran contains all the details. It is necessary here to explain exactly what is meant by saying that the Quran contains all the details. The followers of hadith claim that the hadith contains many details that are not to be found in the Quran. This is quite true, however the absence of these details from the Quran is not because the Quran is not fully detailed, but because these details were never decreed by God. The Quran contains all the details that are sanctioned by God and for which we will be held accountable to. The followers of hadith have a wide collection of books which they highly cherish and which contain all sorts of ridiculous details to say the least. The following verse includes a mockery and a warning against such acts of idolatry:
"Or do you have some book in which you are studying? Do you have in it whatever you choose?" 68:37-38
Consequently, and in accordance with 6:114 and other similar verses, all guidance will be derived from the Quran and
nothing else.
Do you know that by rejecting the hadiths, you are creating more problems?
The problems created by rejecting hadiths exist, sure, that does not in any way validate the acceptance of Hadiths. It is what it is. For example, if the evidence shows that a scientific theory is wrong, we are to reject it irrespective of the problems it creates.
One last thing. Why Allah says that the Quran is in details, when it doesn't even explain to us how to pray?
Yes Allah Did. What you are implying is that Allah was contradicting himself in the Quran? No.
The Quran says that in the Prayers, it must involve a phase of standing, bowing and prostrating:
Standing:
You shall maintain the Salawaat and the Salat Al-Wusta, and
stand devoutly before God." 2:238
Bowing and Prostrating:
"Muhammad-the messenger of God, and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek God's blessings and approval" 48:29" ...... Then once they have prostrated let them be positioned behind you and let another group, who have not yet observed the Salat, observe the Salat with you while remaining cautious and while holding on to their weapons." 4:102That is it. The Quran is simple on what you have to do. Now to ask for the details on exactly what to do in praying, would be like the Jews asking God exactly how to slaugher the cow. Remember why Chapter 2 of the Quran is called the Baqarah? The story is that Allah comanded the Jews to sacrifice a cow to show their faith in Allah swt. However, rather than complying they kept delaying and procrastinating and asking more and more and more questions until finally Allah swt commanded them to sacrifice a specific strong, beautiful cow, where as before
any cow would have sufficed.
Allah just wants you to recite the Quran, stand,bow and prostrate. The specifics don't matter, just do it!
By rejecting the hadiths, this is enough for a nonmuslim to destroy Islam entirely. But, look what a beautiful response comes when you accept the hadiths: http://muslim-responses.com/Is_the_Quran_Incomplete/Is_the_Quran_Incomplete_
And please take from your time to read these articles written by Bassam Zawadi (http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters). I hope it will help you to understand how illogical it is to reject the hadiths.
To destroy Sunni/Shia/Sufi/other nonsense Islam. Yes. Exactly. Again, irrespective of what hadiths do to please your version of Islam, hadiths stand un-authorative and corrupted. IT doesn't matter what will happen we reject them, you must reasonably conclude that the rejection of hadiths is best.
