Indeed , I thought you'd say such a thing . Getting angry with someone for ignoring what you say , but worse than that , insulting Allah and prophet Muhammad is a bad thing . However , apparently , the insults themselves are OK ! Saying that prophet Muhammad - And I ask the lord forgiveness for I'm just telling what's been said - faced "Demise" is OK ! And you talk about Fitnah and disorder ? And because you didn't , this guy here thinks he won and keeps repeating what I keep showing is wrong every single post .
If you have noticed in the Debate about evolution. The only reason why they rejected evolution is because they support Hadiths when the Quran is clear on the matter 
..Imagine how many people (atheists) have left Christianity because it rejects evolution. That was part of the reason why I left. Now just imagine Muslims present to them the truth that the Quran supports evolution....but, we don't because the hadiths contradict the Quran and we uphold the hadiths and use them (a collection of sayings collected by humans) in order to interpret a divine book. Shame on us. This verse also makes it clear that those who uphold baseless hadiths don't think they are diverting others from the path of God (notice the verse says "without knowledge"). This is the case with many Muslims, unfortunately.
So either he has some serious disorders or he just pretends not to understand . And the infinite stubbornness doesn't help with the case . If we're going to laugh it off and ignore such fundamental difference under the excuse of "We're all Muslims" then how can what's true be distinguished from what's false ?
The main problem with whoever reads a narration and then decides it's contradicting Quran is that they didn't bother think "Am I understanding this wrong ? Maybe I should look for an explanation" . Instead , they immediately take the easy way and say "Hadith is corrupted , end of the story" . You say that Hadith does contain error and that saying so doesn't label a person as a rejector . Where did he say that ? He says all of it is corrupted because of some fantasies he has like "The writers were all Persians , so Hadith must be corrupted" . And the statement that they are is false in itself . He's saying that ALL Hadith cannot be trusted . And trust me , such people are the ones who will later tell you that there are only 3 prayers per day , that the Friday prayer is forged "Bid'a" , and as we saw in the thread , saying "Peace upon him" to the prophet is a human innovation .
Wither it has "value" or not , you have a person rejecting Hadith and refusing to take it as a second revelation , what am I supposed to call that ?
As for not answering the problem , I didn't read it honestly at the time . Looking at it now , where on Earth is the so called problem ? The sign of Quran says that Allah has decorated the lowest heaven with "Masabeeh" and made them "Rujuum" for devils . There are different possible explanations for this which clearly none of you bothered read about :
http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=3513&idto=3513&bk_no=48&ID=2978And now , what's the problem in the narration ? Farhan lists it in :
They say from the above Hadith it's clear that Quran is talking about something seen directly from Earth. But we know that cosmic rays aren't seen from the Earth.
And I say : What on Earth do cosmic rays have to do with anything ? Among all the explanations I looked through , nothing talked about them . It either says that parts of the "Lamps" separate and hit the devils or that these lamps are places from which the devils are stoned with . Are you telling me you want to deem this narration wrong because it will contradict your personal interruption that the mentioned lamps are "Cosmic rays" ? Or am I missing something ? And here's an idea for you . If you can read Arabic , then you better go straight to the original source . That way you can spare us the misunderstanding and the whole "Hadith is corrupted" mania .
