Are Taliban Fighters in Afghanistan really terrorists?

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamyalykum.


 Brothers, We know that fighting is going on between NATO and Taliban Fighters in Afghanistan for decades. And we know them(Taliban) as terrorists. But is it true? Can we call them terrorists without even judging them? They're just trying to fight NATO and liberate their country from their hands. And NATO is the one who started this fight.

 If some Zionists attacks your country just because your country is a Islamic country and you are trying to establish Islamic Shariah, will you sit idle and watch? No. You'll resist them. The Taliban fighters in Afghanistan I think are doing the same thing. And also the Palestanians.


 And who knows maybe the so called suicide attacks in Afghanistan are actually carried out by the Zionists. And our media is broadcasting them as Taliban attacks. Same thing is going on in Palestine and Iraq. And we should not forget Israeli Zionists are expert at making up stories.

 So, I thing we should analyze these points deeply to figure out if Taliban Fighters are really terrorists or not.

 Brothers what's your opinion regarding this fact?

 Take Care.

[Tanveer]

One wonders what type of "Islamic" shariah they are trying to establish. NATO are criminals. That much is true. But the Taliban are arguably greater criminals. Disgusting extremists trying to decieve is with the "We are trying to establish Islam in Afghanistan" lie. You do realise that the Taliban themselves take responsibility for such attacks. They even seem proud of it, that's how morally bankrupt they are. Too many people in this day and age whinge about everything being "the zionists fault". I think you need to reconsider what you think Shariah is if you believe beard patrols, beating women silly, banning women's education and god knows what else is "Shariah". Are you seriously telling me you think this is what Allah has ordained? Thats why we are so knee deep in crap. Believing in stupid conspiracy theories and white washing what fellow muslims do just because they say they're muslim.

[ali achinxo]

Tanveer what proof do you have that the Taliban are criminals? What "proof" apart from the Main stream media do you have that shows Taliban kill innocent men, women and children? And on and on....

Taliban established the sharia in Afghanistan in 2001, and if you look at the Heroine production for before 2001 you see it is high, in 2001 that year the heroin production  was Zero. And then when the West invaded and slowly increased their power the Heroin production sky-rocketed like never before.

Do Taliban take responsibility for atrocious attacks?
Go to Afghanistan and ask how are the Taliban?. You will get reply,s like this

1) They are good muslims and want to implement sharia. They help their fellow country men.....etc

2) Some are good some are bad

3) Their bad, beatings etc

When Nato took over the country they created groups of afghanis that called themselves Taliban so, the fake taliban go and kill innocent poeple, then claim that the "we the taliban" did it quote some quranic verses and then everyone belives that they are really taliban.

We are knee deep in crap because our faith is not strong, because we are shy to say we are muslims, because we are embarrases to defend other muslims. Mostly it is  because the zionists but we shouldnt stop their and not do anything, thats what they want us to do, blame everythinh on them (blame is on them) so we dont do change anything in ourselves and feel worthless. We blame ourselves first for letting the kaffirs get into this position.

[ali achinxo]

Dont you see, wherever the Dean grows strong the Kuffar always start a war, and blame terrorists.

1) In Chechnya (Shishan) were i am from, when they soviet union broke up, we chechens claimed our independance and intended to introduce sharia law, the dean was growing strong after years of communist stalinist atheist propaganda. We could finally regain our independance and practice our faith. But what happened.. Russia called chechens terrorist, bandits, extremists. Invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Did anyone intervene? No! UN, EU, USA,... they didnt do nothing except talk.

2) Again the Afghans defeated Russian and late nineties Taliban came to power. Then the Dean was growing strong, sharia was being implemented. Then booom, invasion, "war against terror" and all that BullS***. Hundreds of thousands of deaths, injuries and great losses. Again Taliban named terrorists, extremists.

3) Again in Somalia, the dean was growing, and sharia was being implemented then again, muslims called terrorist and extremists. Invaded and slaughtered by USA.

4) In china, many millions of muslims suppresed by the communist government.

5) Burma, muslims being attacked

6) In Yemen the ahlusunnah were gaining ground and then accused of being terrorists and extemists. Once again drones sent in killing many muslims.

7) In sudan, muslims gained power dean was growing, sharia was implemented and then, south sudan was created to split from muslims, now occasional battles take place.

8) In Mali, the muslims were increasing, the dean was getting stronger sharia implemented and then, France invades. Attacks muslims and kills many. Again muslims called terrorists and extremists.

9) In nigeria, muslims strength were increasing, dean was getting stronger and sharia was implemented in northern parts of nigeria. Then government attacks muslims, calls them terrorist and extremists.

In each one of these cases the media has spread false information about these. For example, they said chechens are terrorists because they killed innocent civilians in moscow apartment bombing. But the truth is that it was later proven that chechens had no involvement in this and infact it was the russian security services that did it.

Same for the others. You will here that children got shot for wanting education, or women getting beaten by extremists....ect ect. So you first got to investigate if the event really happened and then was it really done by the muslims or by people claiming to be muslims trying to spread lies about real muslims trying to disgrace their name.

Same for Al Qaeda. All we about them is what the Jewish controlled media tells us about them. We dont have anything else. We dont know if they are really good or bad. Or where they are from. Who they are. We dont know if they even exist at all.

Also did you spot that in al least 6 of these cases and other cases i not mentioned where muslims are growing strong, they are always to be called "affiliated to Al Qaeda". They made ever muslim Al Qaeda affiliates.

May Allah grant us victory over the the Disbelievers

[Tanveer]

The proof is in the fact that the Taliban themselves claim responsibility for acts. The proof is in the human rights organisations and websites like antiwar who arent scared of the governments that document what happens. Where is your proof of this 'fake taliban'? All taliban are bad. If someone calls themselves the same as these hypocrites then they are just as disgusting. You ignore the fact that their is plenty of video footage showing the Taliban in all their barbarity. Its ridiculous that you think beard patrols and abusing women is 'shariah'.  The zionists dont give a flying crap about afghanistan. They only care about occupying palestine. Bring your proof if otherwise.

I agree absolutely, our faith is weak. We have people like you who blindly defend any 'muslim' and believe anything they say. Our Ummah is full of cowards who refuse to see people for what they truly are and follow idiotic conspiracy theories in an attempt to justify themselves. There was a time when people wouldnt be afraid to speak out and correct the Rightly Guided Caliph. Now, assaulting women is 'shariah'.

The Taliban ARE terrorists. Terrorists which NATO had supported. And yet another stupid jew conspiracy. Malala was shot by Pakistani Taliban for wanting education. We both know the western governments (not people) are hypocrites. We both accept attacking children wanting education is wrong. So why do you defend the taliban? Give up these conspiracy theories brother. They are harming us.

Muslims want shariah not a corrupt taliban kind of law.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.


 Thank you all for your valuable opinions.

 Okay, brother Tanveer you said, you saw Talibans on Tv claiming the responsibility for suicide attacks. How do you know they aren't fake? As I've told you earlier these Zionists are expert at making up stories. For example "The 9/11 attacks". It was totally a false story with false videos.

 Again you said, Talibans beat women and children. Okay did you see that with your own eyes? No. So those videos are somewhat fake.

 Listen, the main objective of the Zionists behind Afghan operation was to establish a control over south Asian politics not eradicating terror. In order to make up a cause for the operation they made up that false "9/11 story".

Take Care.

[Tanveer]

Assalamualykum.


 Thank you all for your valuable opinions.

 Okay, brother Tanveer you said, you saw Talibans on Tv claiming the responsibility for suicide attacks. How do you know they aren't fake? As I've told you earlier these Zionists are expert at making up stories. For example "The 1/11 attacks". It was totally a false story with false videos.

 Again you said, Talibans beat women and children. Okay did you see that with your own eyes? No. So those videos are somewhat fake.

 Listen, the main objective of the Zionists behind Afghan operation was to establish a control over south Asian politics not eradicating terror. In order to make up a cause for the operation they made up that false "1/11 story".

Take Care.

I dont believe the zionist conspiracy theory or jewish media control theory and i never willl. Some videos are clearly fake. Some stories are also clearly fake. For example (m recalling this from memory. Might be wrong in a few details but the overall story is correct i think) the coalition attacked a wedding once and beheaded/killed/burned (i cant remember which) two women and a girl, they claimed the taliban did it. It was later found out that this was a lie by the US. Thats why I dont watch the BBC, CNN, ITV, Channel 4 News or FOX (lol). I get all my info and stuff from outlets such as antiwar.com, foreignpolicy.com, glenn greenwald (http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/glenn-greenwald?INTCMP=SRCH) and Loonwatch.com (whenever there are any politics related articles). Just because western governments are hypocritical and lie does not mean that the Taliban dont do what they do. The cold hard truth is that the Taliban do partake in such activities and we shouldnt be ashamed to say so. We know that what they do is wrong in Islam and that they only claim legitimacy through theological means. If we could just band together and condemn them for what they are and expose the fact that they are islamically frauds

1) Our countries wouldnt be in such a mess due to the incompetence of such people.

2) Id wager people would get closer to Islam as these people p**s on Islam's name and people get disheartened by Islam wrongfully thinking it's what Islam condones.

3) We'd be able to resist the meddling from western governments.

4) Everyone would be happy and we can all eat ice cream.

Dont mistake my vehement dislike for the Taliban and Al Qaeda and Hamas and Fatah and Hizbullah as a defense of the actions of the US, UK and Israel. I thoroughly hate their actions but I also hate what the said organisations do. I truly believe what they are doing is haram.

[ali achinxo]

1) How do you know it is the Taliban claiming responsibility? You should only accuse one in Islam when you are 100% true. Eg, Like the video where Bin Ladin supposedly "admits" to 9/11. Which was in fact a fake, and proven fake. Just do a little search on Google

2) If you see a man with a beard in a Youtube clip saying 'am Taliban and i killed the people Allahu Akbar' does that automatically mean he is taliban? Absolutly not.

3) Human rights organizations and similar organizations do document what happens. But do they have EVIDENCE that it was taliban who did it or some men with beards screaming Allahs name. All they have is a crime that was commited. And of course they will blame Taliban and Islam. But still no proof.

4) "Where is my proof of this fake taliban?" Go to Afghanistan personally, and ask the people there, thats what someone did. Dont tune into a jewish controlled box and get brainwashed by lies after lies.

5) Dont accuse people without evidence or call other hypocrites. A hadith of the Prophet peace be upon him states that anyone who calls another believer a hypocrite unjustly, he himself is a hypocrite.

6) I never said abusing women is shariah, nor did taliban say anything about women abuse is sharia. But there are many muslims in this world who do practise this and do need to stop the cultural and traditional practices, they go directly against Islam. In afghanistan there are people who practise women beatings taliban and non-taliban due to traditional and cultural reasons. So it is not that the taliban say its part of sharia or part of law to abuse women no. It is practised on a individual basis, like any other citizen. And many Afghans have stopped this realizing Islams stance on this. So who would you agree with, a organization that SOME people practise women beatings, but uphold Islam and and prevent vice. Or some people who practise women beatings, do not uphold islam, want secularism, wants vices and forbidden things.

7) "The zionists dont give a flying crap about afghanistan. They only care about occupying palestine. Bring your proof if otherwise."

watch series called 'the arrivals' for a start or read the book 'Synagogue Of Satan'. I could give you a ton more.

You need to look at the bigger picture. Its not just zionists and Palastine, its Zionism, Palastine, Kabbalah, eradiction of monotheism, one world government, world domination, money, media, world banks, interest (riba), luciferianism....and on. About the jewish families, free-masons, illuminati, satanic rituals, land, oil, resources.... . Research about Rockerfeller and Rothschild families. When the 'Elite' attack or invade, they do it for many reasons. 3 in 1 to say. Many reasons we know, and many more yet hidden. For example Nato attcked Afghanistan. Why? Answers would be, resources, threat of Islamic domination, threat of fall of drug trade which the US is heavily involved in and the absence of jewish controlled world bank. And still Many more reasons. Like look at the things i told you.

8) "We have people like you who blindly defend any 'muslim' and believe anything they say."

Brother am not blindly defending 'muslim'. I look at his actions and views, if they agree with the salif-asaaliheen and ahlusunnah i agree with them if not they are my rivals.

"Our Ummah is full of cowards who refuse to see people for what they truly are and follow idiotic conspiracy theories in an attempt to justify themselves. There was a time when people wouldnt be afraid to speak out and correct the Rightly Guided Caliph. Now, assaulting women is 'shariah'."

I hope your not reffering to me. May Allah forgive you brother, i am not attacking you, i am just having a discussion with you. May Allah forgive me too if i have offended you in anyway.

If you want to call the conspiracies idiotic its your will, but please take the time to look at them closely before you reject them. And i just as conspiracies are idiotic, i think the 'mainstream facts' are idiotic too.

Also what way do Taliban apart from the western biased spread news.

A Taliban representative stated: "The Taliban’s act of giving monthly salaries to 30,000 job-free women, now sitting comfortably at home, is a whiplash in the face of those who are defaming Taliban with reference to the rights of women. These people through baseless propaganda are trying to incite the women of Kabul against the Taliban". (The Taliban: Ascent to Power. pg 108)

"The Taliban ARE terrorists. Terrorists which NATO had supported. And yet another stupid jew conspiracy."

Nato had supported??

Sorry Tanveer but you are lacking in this area of knowledge. Please i ask you sincerely to do some research and use reason that God gave you to come to the correct conclusions. Review and analyze the information you have got then again think about them in conjuction to other matters that are taking place.

If Taliban were doing anything forbidden in Islam i would of been the first to denounce them, if Taliban transgresses the bounds of sharia i will be the first to denounce it. But till now still no evidence.

Allah knows best

[Tanveer]

Dont worry Brother Ali i wasnt calling you a coward. Yes, NATO supported the Taliban when they called themselves the Mujahideen. Came back to bite NATO in the backside in the end.

Ive already told you that i dont believe the so called "jew controlled media" so please dont keep repeating that. You seriously think im going to go into a warzone to ask for an apprently "fake taliban". We have the news and internet for a reason.

I too also agree that women beating is not Shariah but the fact is the taliban do beat women and yes probably because of cultural causes but they still claim it is Islamic. I too think the "mainstream" views are idiotic. All that "They hate us for our freedom and way of life" talk is laughable to me but people who believe in freemasons and illuminati are also a bit strange. Human rights organisations never blame Islam, for all they're concerned they couldnt care less about Islam. These same organisations also denounce the actions of the US and UK so your argument that the joos controlled media documenting it is pretty much BS. For example Amnesty International critisize the taliban on their treatment of women but also call out the US' drone murder strikes and Guantanamo Bay.

After all, I doubt zionists would purposefully critisize themselves seeing as they send out hasbarah trolls to wage propaganda wars on anything regarding Israel and Palestine (look at Al Jazeera, i swear you;d get cancer from reading the comments if you arent careful). I have already said some videos are fake and some articles are fake so i fail to see why you repeat the same thing. A few fakes does not nullify anything. All it does is make us a bit more wary.

It is good to know that you would denounce the Taliban if they were doing anything un islamic. But seeing as you sweep anything critical of the Taliban as jew nonsense id wager it is near certain that the time will never come.

You keep referring to baseless conspiracy theories regarding jews controlling the media and banks (zionists control what the government does regarding palestine but thats it. There are no Jews in a dark little room plotting the downfall and takeover of Islam and the world). I dont see the point of carrying on this conversation when we cant agree to agree on this point. Both our arguments mostly revolve around these conspiracy theories. Yours is that the jooos control the media and so everything regarding the Taliban is lies and mine that the media does lie at times but it is also true that the Taliban do commit barbaric acts due to their ideological difference to normal muslims. Believe what you will but remember, people like the Taliban never survive long. You'll see.

[ali achinxo]

Sallam,

{Ive already told you that i dont believe the so called "jew controlled media" so please dont keep repeating that.}
I will keep repeating it if it is connected to these events. Ive already told you that i dont believe that Taliban are terrorists so please dont keep repeating that.

{You seriously think im going to go into a warzone to ask for an apprently "fake taliban".}
Certain areas where fighting is still taking place. Certain areas are free of war. And am not forcing you. If you want to, go and find the truth.

{We have the news and internet for a reason.}
And there are many informative sites where you can search for the truth in these matters.

{I too also agree that women beating is not Shariah but the fact is the taliban do beat women and yes probably because of cultural causes but they still claim it is Islamic.}
False, Taliban commanders have even said that beating women is against the teachings of Islam, and do not practise it. I explained this in my above post.

{Human rights organisations never blame Islam, for all they're concerned they couldnt care less about Islam.}
Many HR activists blame Islam. Islams views on gender equality, sexuality, freedom of speech, freedom of will, Sharia punishments...etc They abhor Islam and its laws.

{You keep referring to baseless conspiracy theories regarding jews controlling the media and banks (zionists control what the government does regarding Palestine but thats it. There are no Jews in a dark little room plotting the downfall and takeover of Islam and the world).}
See thats the problem, you call it 'baseless'. Which it is not, look at the evidences please!!! Also its not even been 1hr since i posted my last reply with link to other information and then you call them baseless conspiracies. Do the research first.

The Jews most importantly control the media and banks, evidences are provided in the "links" in the other post. Well then someone can tell you that 'there are no Jewish Zionist controlling Palestine its all exaggerated nonsense'. So are you talking non-sense. You have a belief that others call idiotic conspiracy theory like you call the one that i believe in idiotic. So dont think that your belief is less idiotic or so much intelligent. (if you think that way)

I don't believe Jews in a dark room plotting......But there are Jews around the world controlling state institutions, media, militaries, think tanks, politicians, congress, parliament, Multinational Corporations, advisers, banking families that do plot. And if they meet, they meet in a bright, enormous room.

I didn't say everything regarding the Taliban is lies. Of course they are going to have errors here and there, they are humans. And please tell me what are the Taliban's ideology?

[ali achinxo]

{These same organizations also denounce the actions of the US and UK so your argument that the joos controlled media documenting it is pretty much BS. For example Amnesty International critisize the taliban on their treatment of women but also call out the US' drone murder strikes and Guantanamo Bay.}

Yes they do denounce actions of US and UK, but did i say that ALL institutions were controlled by Jews? No. I said many if not most. These other non-Jew controlled are either again atheists, christian or people who have a dislike for sharia, whether it is concluded by self-research or mis-information by Jewish controlled associates. So yes there are also people for HR for both sides.

{After all, I doubt zionists would purposefully critisize themselves seeing as they send out hasbarah trolls to wage propaganda wars on anything regarding Israel and Palestine}

Zionist Jews don't give a S*** what you or other humans say, they know they are in control know and sometimes let evidence 'leek out'. Like 9/11 they actually said that they would eventually let people know that they were the perpetrators. Just to humiliate humanity and show themselves how worthless they are and show that the Jews are the controllers.

Anyway your not even human to them. Don't believe me read the Talmud:

All gentile children are animals. [Yebamoth 98a.]

When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep. [Sanhedrin 57a]

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

ASSALAMUALYKUM

 Thanks brother Ali for you nice and wide explanation. I totally agree with you.

 I want to say another thing, Zionist Jews are actually controlling the world politics from behind not the Americans. They're just using USA as a medium for their dirty work. They're extremely clever. Weak and ignorant Muslims easily fall into their trap and leave the path of truth. Whoever stands against them, they brand him or her as a terrorist. Their main objective is to establish Israeli rule all over the world. Please read the following article:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/israel_scientific_miracle.htm


 Brother Tanveer didn't you see how skillfully they trapped our fellow Chechnyan brothers with some false charges for Boston bombing?  Brother Osama has already proved nicely that Boston bombing was nothing but a Zionist conspiracy and a fabricated story.

Please read the following article:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/911_is_the_biggest_lie.htm

[Tanveer]

I did read that Boston Bombings article but unfortunately I wasnt persuaded by it so our arguments pretty much cancel each other out. It was an interesting conversation, especially with you Brother Ali, but there's nothing more that can be said on my part.

[FARHAN_UDDIN]

Assalamualykum.

 Thanks to all of you specially brother Ali for his valuable explanation. And thanks to you also brother Tanveer.

 I think this discussion has no end. Okay in my eyes Afghan war, Iraq war, Palestine war  and the African civil wars are Zionist's conspiracies only to establish full control over World politics and eradicate Islam from this globe. But they won't be successful. Inshallah, one day Allah will send a great leader for us and then together we will eradicate the Zionists from this world. And that's going to happen for sure.

 May Allah shower His unending blessings upon the Muslim Ummah.

[ali achinxo]

May Allah bless you both and all the Muslim Ummah around the globe. May Allah give us Victory over the Kafireen