As'salamu Alaikum dear brothers "Black Muslim" and ThatMuslimGuy,
Let's take the Sahih (authentic, true) Hadiths. Forget the Mawdu (injected and fabricated ones). Let's take the Sahih ones, because the link that I gave above, which is also as follows, is about Sahih narrations from the Sahih volumes:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1166.msg4047.html#msg4047Also visit this very important one:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1105.msg5580.html#msg55801- Do you believe that the Prophet got bewitched from a Jew who allegedly stole a piece of his hair?
2- Do you believe that Aisha used to have her sister and/or cousin suckle adults to allow them to enter her house after the Prophet died?
3- Do you believe that a
she-monkey was stoned to death by a group of monkeys because the she-moneky committed adultery?
4- Do you believe Imam Bukhari memorized 600,000 Hadiths? If so, how was that verified according to you?
5- Do you believe Imam Ahmed memorized 1,000,000 Hadiths? If so, how was that verified according to you?
6- Do you believe the dajjal (anti-Christ) is currently chained in an Island somewhere in lala land? The Sahih volumes report on Muslims who actually saw him. I even saw a Youtube video in the past
suggesting that it might've been England.
7- Do you believe Prophet Moses punched the Angel of Death in the eye when he came to take his soul, because Moses' life has expired? Allah Almighty supposedly extended Moses' life because of this punch. Yet, this CLASHES WITH THE HOLY QURAN about none can advance nor reduce their appointed time! Everyone is scheduled to die at their due time.
There are a ton more examples I can bring.
I believe those are lies that were intentionally fabricated on the Prophet, and on the daughters of Abu Bakr, and on others, and on Islam in general. I believe there is a big time conspiracy in the hadiths collections, since the enemies couldn't directly hurt the Holy Quran. As to the links that you say I posted, I don't agree with everything an author of the website writes. But I left it open, because I always allow for the chance of proving myself and others to be either right or wrong. So it existing on my website doesn't mean that I agree with it. And I don't believe in absolutes. So not everything an author writes is wrong, nor everything he/she writes is right. There is always a possibility for error,
or in this case being duped into too much fundamentalism. I mean seriously, I really look forward to your answers to the five points above, guys.
Your Mawdu hadiths never got removed:Furthermore, we never see the so-called "Mawdu (injected, fabricated)" hadiths ever burnt or removed permanently. They still remain in all of the hadiths collections. They still endure. Why? Isn't it because you're giving nothing but opinionated nonsense that not everyone of your "scholars" agrees with you on? So at the end of the day, you guys are playing nothing but games of opinions on the expense of Islam.
1- If the hadith is a lie, then why not remove it??
2- If the hadith is a doubt, why not remove it??
3- Did not Allah Almighty forbid us to live on conjectures, in the Holy Quran?
So the bottom line is this: Your opinions remain nothing but opinions. They'll never get past that point. Nothing you consider from corrupt hadiths will ever get removed. This is why
we need to throw this type of corrupt school in the garbage where it belongs, and give Islam the treatment that it truly deserves. Your school is ludicrous! It is an insult to the very basic intelligence of humans. I put it on the same level as shiism in stupidity and ignorance and waste of time and deeds. No disrespect to either of you. But barking and barking in endless back and forth cycles, and never accomplishing any real thing only proves that you're empty and full of nonsense. If the hadiths are corrupt, then remove them! But this will never happen,
because your ludicrous school doesn't 100% agree on anything within itself when it comes to the hadiths. This is why the corrupt hadiths endure. For every corrupt hadith you bring, there are others
from your school that will silence you.
So you can tap each others all you want on the shoulders. This doesn't mean a thing to your school, because it's not in 100% agreement within itself on what you claim.
And who are YOU to doubt Bukhari and Muslim?If a ludicrous hadith such as a she-monkey got stoned to death by a group of monkeys because she committed adultery was approved by Bukhari, then who are YOU to doubt him?
1- Are you better than Bukhari?
2- Did he not carefully select a couple of thousands of
hadiths from 600,000 that he had all memorized in his head, and put them in his final collection?
3- How DARE YOU consider yourself better than him??
I mean brother, seriously, if you're not a complete idiot for accepting this, then how would you respond to this? I am playing devil's advocate here, and responding to you the way others from your ludicrous school would respond to you about the hadiths that you consider Mawdu (injected, fabricated) in a variety of collections. This is just one example I used.
And for all to know, that even this ludicrous narration about the she-monkey still exists in the Sahih Bukhari volume today. Even that was never removed! And why remove it? Again, did not Bukhari carefully select it from his long list of 600,000 hadiths?? Gee, that story is 100% accurate then! So who are we today to dismiss it as falsehood. Right? It's a never-ending empty barking about this hadith is doubtful and this hadith isn't. All of them will remain and endure, regardless. So the barks remain and will always remain empty. No results. Just empty words from
a never-100%-in-agreement school. And if that is not so, then the garbage would not have remained and endured, for:
1- No reasonable person would keep his rotten and stinky garbage inside his home forever.
2- No reasonable person would drink from the toilet, especially when it's not empty.
3- And similarly, no reasonable group
would tolerate lies in their sacred scriptures if they all 100% agree that they're lies.
To the reader, please visit
my link above for ample more proofs. And from the link, you'll see the following:
Here is the bottom line: What agrees with the Holy Quran from the hadiths and also from the Bible and other scriptures is closest to the Truth, but not absolute Truth like the Holy Quran. And what disagrees with the Holy Quran belongs to the garbage.
You may use the toilet too if you'd like, just as long as it doesn't have GOD Almighty's or any Sacred Word or Name in it.
And last and not least, please visit the following link to see the
Overwhelming Scientific Miracles of the Holy Quran:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#linksAlso, Prophet Muhammad and Islam thoroughly prophesied, even by the name, in the Bible, Dead Sea Scrolls, and other previous Scriptures:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm.
Where is the proof for my statement above?I was asked before how can I substantiate the following statement from the Holy Quran:
Here is the bottom line: What agrees with the Holy Quran from the hadiths and also from the Bible and other scriptures is closest to the Truth, but not absolute Truth like the Holy Quran. And what disagrees with the Holy Quran belongs to the garbage.
Here is the proof from the Holy Quran:
[016:044] (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.[004:115] After the guidance has been revealed and explained, if anyone parts his way with the messenger and follows a path different from that of the believers, then We will divert him along his (chosen) path. We will hurl him in the hell (in the hereafter). What a despicable destination! [006:046] Say, “Have you (ever) considered? What if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed off your heart? Is there a god besides Allah, who could give you back these senses?” Observe, how We explain the revelations in detail. Yet, they turn away (disdainfully). [006:055] In this manner, We explain Our revelations in detail, so that the ways of the criminals would become (widely known and) well recognized. Allah Almighty also called the Holy Quran
"Muhaymin" (مهيمن, "Has all Authority above all", or "the dominant Book with the Highest Authority"). See
Noble Verse 5:48. For ample more on this point, please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/was_muta_immoral.htmSo the real genuine Hadiths that are Quran-Approved are the ones that directly explain and detail the Holy Quran's Commands. Not every word that came out of the Prophet's mouth is a legitimate Hadith:
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari:
"The Prophet used to invoke Allah, saying, "Allahumma ighfirli khati'ati wa jahli wa israfi fi amri, wa ma anta a-'lamu bihi minni. Allahumma ighfirli hazali wa jiddi wa khata'i wa amdi, wa kullu dhalika 'indi"
WHICH READS IN ENGLISH AS:
"O Allah! Forgive my mistakes and my ignorance and my exceeding the limit (boundaries) of righteousness in my deeds; and forgive whatever You know better than I. O Allah! Forgive the wrong I have done jokingly or seriously, and forgive my accidental and intentional errors, all that is present in me." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 408))This is why those who say that the Prophet never spoke out of his own desire, and that every word he spoke was an inspiration are all in error. The following Noble Verses that they use only refer to the Holy Quran's Revelations:
[053:002] You companion has neither erred, nor has he gone astray,
[053:003] Nor does he speak out of his own desire.
[053:004] It is nothing but pure revelation revealed by God.
[053:005] The Lord of the Mighty Powers has taught him (i.e., Angel Gabriel),Those who say that Prophet Muhammad was a "
Walking Quran", and that every single word he spoke was an inspiration are full of rubbish nonsense. This is further supported in the following Noble Verse:
[003:159] It is part of the Mercy of God that thou dost deal gently with them Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (Their faults), and ask for (God's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast Taken a decision put thy trust in God. For God loves those who put their trust (in Him).3:159 فبما رحمة من الله لنت لهم ولو كنت فظا غليظ القلب لانفضوا من حولك فاعف عنهم واستغفر لهم وشاورهم في الامر فاذا عزمت فتوكل على الله ان الله يحب المتوكلين
Why should the Prophet consult anybody when every word he spoke was a Divine Inspiration or Revelation? This Noble Verse clearly proves that the Prophet
was only inspired at certain fixed times, and not all of the time. So him not speaking out of his own desire refers to the Holy Quran's Divine Revelations.
Again, also please visit this very important link:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1105.msg5580.html#msg5580.
I hope this helps, insha'Allah
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
