As'salamu Alaikum Everyone,
My brief update on 2/27/2013...
Just wanted to bring to your attention my favorite part of this detailed refutation to the doofus Walid Shoebat, who nick-names himself as "Wali". It is the following verses are among many below:
Daniel 11
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43 and he will take its rich treasures of gold and silver. He will also conquer Libya and Ethiopia.[g] 44 But he will be alarmed by news from the east and the north, and he will become furious and cause great destruction. 45 After this, he will set up camp between the Mediterranean Sea and Mount Zion (Wait a minute! Did captin "crunch" Wali now invade Israel too???). Then he will be destroyed (aww, poor Wali), and no one will be able to save him.
So the enemy will be all over the map. He will invade Libya, Ethiopia, Egypt and even Israel (he will camp between the Mediterranean Sea and Mount Zion). Obviously, this couldn't be any more absurd and far from reality, if you want to be like the neo-con zionists, and consider it an End of Times "prophecy" AGAINST THE ARABS. I mean wouldn't you agree with me that these are history stories (perhaps even man-made fables) and not End of Times Prophecies?
Besides Walid, WHO INVADED LIBYA TODAY? Was it not the USA and NATO? I am not saying that this is a prophecy about them. I don't believe this is a prophecy at all! But I just wanted this to serve as a brief demonstration to show the reader how low, ridiculous and hateful the neo-con christians and zionists are, especially towards Arabs. We see how none of these so-called "prophecies" are modern-day ones. These "prophecies" are:
1- Either old prophecies that already came to pass and are long gone.
2- Are lies invented by man, as the Bible was indisputably proven to contain fabrications and lies and alterations in it, ironically according to its own theologians. Not only that, but according to the Bible's own theologians' commentaries on almost every single Bible's book and gospel (indexes on history and information before each chapter), the Bible's books and gospels were:
(a)- Written in unknown places.
(b)- Written in unknown dates.
(c)- Written by unknown people.
(d)- Altered by unknown how many times, and by whom.
Don't believe it? Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm and read the MANY QUOTATIONS that I quoted for almost every single book and gospel.
Continuing with this rebuttal....
The following are the link to Walid Shoebat's 2-hour lecture, and his absurd "prophecies" which are quite obviouse to be no more than hate mongering rubbish. I'll let you examine the verses and see his absurd lies for yourselves. His link is located at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_N9t2j9jg (Walid Shoebat End Times / Prophecy Lecture, August 28th, 2011).
Like his other absurd lies, which were exposed in greate details at:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/walid_shoebat_islam_satan_rebuttal.htm, these ones below are no different. Like for instance, when he turned a prayer that was rejected by Yahweh Almighty, into a "prophecy", it was clear that he lying and fabricating things. Watch this brief clip:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/walid_mixing_acts_psalm_judges.wmv.
Now, the Verses that Walid used in this latest lecture are:
Daniel 11, Daniel 2, Joel 3, Zacharia 9, Ezekiel 38, Ezekiel 28, Ezekiel 30, Ezekiel 32, Revelation 8, Revelation 9, Revelation 13, Revelation 14, Jeremiah 49, Jeremiah 50, Jeremiah 51, Isaiah 45, Isaiah 46, Acts 19:35, Revelation 18:2, Isaiah 21, Habakuk 3.The following are the links to these Biblical verses. Make sure you read the chapters before and after them to get the complete context, and to see how these are no prophecies,
but rather they were about LOCAL EVENTS THAT CAME AND PASSED, AND THEY ARE NOT FUTURE PROPHECIES:http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2011,%20daniel%202,%20joel%........&version=CEVand http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=habakkuk%203&version=CEVWalid's points:WALID SHOEBAT SAYS IN HOUR 1:13 "I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO BRING SOMEONE TO STRAIGHTEN ME OUT." We'll see about that.
The following are his points regarding the mentioned Biblical verses:
Daniel 11 (america in the bible).
Daniel 2, Joel 3, (iron led), about Turkey, also he will not honor the desire of women. he's anti-women. he will also attempt to set time and laws (Shariah has iit's own different time and law). He also shall honor the god of fortresses and war that our fathers knew not. this god uses gold, silver and precious stones to advance his cause (Zakat is used similarly to advance Jihad). the anti-christ will also declare war on foreign fortresses with a foreign god. he will aknowledge the god of war and advance its glory. he shall declare war on the strongest fortresses. he shall divide the land (Israel) for gain. he is pro-palestine. he divides the land of Israel.
Zachariah 9, the return of Jesus.
Ezekiel 38, about Lydia (Turkey).
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ANTI-CHRIST:Ezekeil 28, prince of tyre (lebanon). Why was he called prince of lebanon, and not prince of rome? he is also called the pharoah of egypt. also called king of babylon. and what is babylon or the future babylon or mystery babylon? the cities of this babylon are all in arabia. yathrib also was the head quarter of sin, the moon god, and it was called the daughter of babylon. this was established by Nabucanasser's son, Nabonidus. Also in Verse 12, you are the seal of perfection.
In verse 2, yet you are a man, and not a GOD. Verse 7, behold, I will bring strangers against you, the most terrible (in battle and might) of the nations; in other words, the most powerful nations will fight the anti-christ. this means that the anti-christ will not rule all of the people. as in Daniel 11, he will declare war against the strongest fortresses, and they shall draw their swords against YOUR WISDOM. verse 8, they shall throw you down into the pit.
In Ezekiel 30, the nations that will be thrown into the pit are Sudan, Egypt, Libya (North Africa of algeria, tunisia, morocco, muritania), Lydia (turkey), Ezekiel 32, verse 22, assyria and all of her company will be part of the anti-christ. Assyria here is Iraq, Syria, Turkey. Elam (Persia) and all of her multitude. Also Mashach and Tobal (both in Turkey). They stand for Mushki and Tabalani. Gog is the chief prince of Mashach and Tubal. There is also Edom (arabia) and all of her kings.
Revelation 8 & 9, a great star fell from Heaven, burning like a torch. And he (the star) will be thrown in the fire of the pit.
Revelation 13, the beast comes out of the sea. It had a body of a leapord. Daniel defines the leapord as Greece, which is Turkey. Also the FEET OF A BEAR. This refers to mido-persia. MOUTH LIKE A LION, that's babylonia.
Revelation 14, also the burden against DUMMAH. DUMMAH is DUMMAT AL-JANDAL in Arabia. Also the Book talks about the BURDEN AGAINST ARABIA (direct reference).
Jeremiah 49, 50, 51, the ship masters of the RED SEA crying alas alas the great city. Exactly in Jeremiah 49:21. Also verse 7 against EDOM. Also DEEDAN. The Arabs will no longer pitch tents there. Verse 21: the earth shakes at the noise of their fall. at the cry, it's noise shall be heard at the red sea.
Isaiah 45, 46, every knee shall bow, and every mouth shall take the oath, including BELL (the moon god). Even the moon god will bow to Jesus Christ.
Mystery babylon is also called "the mother of all harlots".
Daniel tells us that they countries will follow the anti-christ IN SUBMISSION.
Acts 19:35, forbids worshiping an image that was a black stone.
IN HOUR 1:44 of the lecture, WALID SAID THAT MUSLIMS HATE SAUDI ARABIA. BIBLE SAYS SHE HAS A CUT IN HER HAND AND DRINKS THE BLOOD OF SAINTS. FROM HER COMES THE MARTYRS. SHE IS THE CAUSE OF MARTYRDOM. and she give her cup of wine to the kings of the earth. It is the cup of fornication. She has 7 heads (mountains, which are kingdoms. see also Daniel 2).
Revelation 18, verse2, babylon the great has fallen. See also Isaiah 21.
Habakuk 3, Christ is fighting against midean. Midean is the brother of Ishmael.
The tents of Cush and Sudan are in affliction.
WALID SAID: WE DON'T READ THESE PROPHECIES, AND WE STRAIGHT TO REVELATIIONS. Aside from these not being prophecies at all,
but Walid also doesn't see that GOD Almighty NULLIFIED THE OLD COVENANT AND LAW with the Israelites. He also said that He'll from now on talk about NEW THINGS THAT WERE NOT MENTIONED in the past.
isaiah 21, the burden against the desert of the sea. the bible also says the harlot is surrounded with waters. John is taken by the Angel and is shown the desert, and showed me a WOMAN (the harlot) riding on a beast. this harlot is a city in the desert, which people come to and bow to. black stone is an image, and Muslims bow to it. ALSO IRAN (ELAM) WILL DESTROY ARABIA.
In the video, HOUR 1:35 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
My response:These were the notes that I was able to write down from his 2-hour lecture. I will delve into them in great details and expose this quack and fraud below, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing). The reader can also read the verses' links, which I gave above, and see how these stories were about
LOCAL EVENTS THAT CAME AND PASSED, AND THEY ARE NOT FUTURE PROPHECIES. Make sure to read the chapters that are before and after the ones that he gave. This way, you see the entire context clearly.
Let us now thoroughly examine the verses which Walid Shoebat spoke about during his lecture:
Daniel 11, Daniel 2, Joel 3, Zacharia 9, Ezekiel 38, Ezekiel 28, Ezekiel 30, Ezekiel 32, Revelation 8, Revelation 9, Revelation 13, Revelation 14, Jeremiah 49, Jeremiah 50, Jeremiah 51, Isaiah 45, Isaiah 46, Acts 19:35, Revelation 18:2, Isaiah 21, Habakuk 3.The key to refuting this quack is in going through these verses and books in great details. Therefore, I'll take them one by one, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing). Let us see. Pay attention to the emphasized verses below.
1- Daniel 11.http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2011&version=CEVDaniel 11
Contemporary English Version (CEV)1 You also need to know that I protected and helped Darius the Mede[a] in his first year as king.
The Angel’s Message to Daniel
Part One: The Four Kings and their Successors
2 What I am going to tell you is certain to happen. Four kings will rule Persia, one after the other, but the fourth one will become much richer than the others. In fact, his wealth will make him so powerful that he will turn everyone against the kingdom of Greece (Addition by Osama Abdallah: HOSTILITIES AND MANY HISTORIC WARS BETWEEN PERSIA AND GREECE ARE WELL KNOWN, AND ARE TAUGHT IN HISTORY).
3 Then a mighty king will come to power and will be able to do whatever he pleases (hmmmmm let see, is this Ahmadinejad to you, Walid Shoebat?).
4 But suddenly his kingdom will be crushed and scattered to the four corners of the earth (earth is now a flat square with four corners), where four more kingdoms will rise. But these won’t be ruled by his descendants or be as powerful as his kingdom (instead, they'll be ruled by Walid Shoebat).
5 The king of the south will grow powerful. Then one of his generals will rebel and take over most of the kingdom. 6 Years later the southern kingdom and the northern kingdom will make a treaty, and the daughter of the king of the south will marry the king of the north (which daughter is that?). But she will lose her power. Then she, her husband, their child,[b ] and the servants who came with her will all be killed.
After this, 7 one of her relatives will become the ruler of the southern kingdom. He will attack the army of the northern kingdom and capture its fortresses.
8 Then he will carry their idols to Egypt (Egypt today has NO IDOLS. ISLAM CAME TO END ALL IDOLS), together with their precious treasures of silver and gold, but it will be a long time before he attacks the northern kingdom again. Some years later 9 the king of the north will invade the southern kingdom, but he will be forced back to his own country (I thought the USA was already in the region. How will she allow all of this back and forth fighting and invasion to occur under her watch?).
10 The sons of the king of the north will gather a huge army that will sweep down like a roaring flood, reaching all the way to the fortress of the southern kingdom. 11 But this will make the king of the south angry (Walid is now angry), and he will defeat this large army from the north. 12 The king of the south will feel proud because of the many thousands he has killed. But his victories won’t last long, 13 because the king of the north will gather a larger and more powerful army than ever before. Then in a few years, he will start invading other countries. (Man, I feel sorry for the US military being caught in the middle of all of this pillow fighting!!)
14 At this time many of your own people will try to make this vision come true by rebelling against the king of the south, but their rebellion will fail. 15 Then the army from the north will surround and capture a fortress in the south, and not even the most experienced troops of the southern kingdom will be able to make them retreat. 16 The king who invaded from the north will do as he pleases, and he will even capture and destroy the holy land.[c] 17 In fact, he will decide to invade the south with his entire army. Then he will attempt to make peace by giving the king of the south a bride from the northern kingdom, but this won’t be successful.
18 Afterwards, this proud king of the north will invade and conquer many of the nations along the coast, but a military leader will defeat him and make him lose his pride. 19 He will retreat to his fortresses in his own country, but on the way he will be defeated and never again be seen.
20 The next king of the north will try to collect taxes for the glory of his kingdom. However, he will come to a sudden end in some mysterious way, instead of in battle or because of someone’s anger.
Part Two: The Evil King from the North
21 The successor of this king of the north will be a worthless nobody, who doesn’t come from a royal family. He will suddenly appear and gain control of the kingdom by treachery. 22 Then he will destroy armies and remove God’s chosen high priest. 23 He will make a treaty, but he will be deceitful and break it, even though he has only a few followers. 24 Without warning, he will successfully invade a wealthy province, which is something his ancestors never did. Then he will divide among his followers all of its treasures and property. But none of this will last very long.
25 He will gather a large and powerful army, and with great courage he will attack the king of the south. The king of the south will meet him with a much stronger army, but he will lose the battle, because he will be betrayed 26 by members of the royal court. He will be ruined, and most of his army will be slaughtered.
27 The two kings will meet around a table and tell evil lies to each other. But their plans will fail, because God has already decided what will happen. 28 Then the king of the north will return to his country with great treasures. But on the way, he will attack the religion of God’s people and do whatever else he pleases.
29 At the time God has decided, the king of the north will invade the southern kingdom again, but this time, things will be different. 30 Ships from the west will come to attack him, and he will be discouraged. Then he will start back to his own country and take out his anger on the religion of God’s faithful people, while showing kindness to those who are unfaithful. 31 He will send troops to pollute the temple and the fortress, and he will stop the daily sacrifices. Then he will set up that “Horrible Thing†that causes destruction. 32 The king will use deceit to win followers from those who are unfaithful to God, but those who remain faithful will do everything possible to oppose him.
33 Wise leaders will instruct many of the people. But for a while, some of these leaders will either be killed with swords or burned alive, or else robbed of their possessions and thrown into prison. 34 They will receive only a little help in their time of trouble, and many of their followers will be treacherous. 35 Some of those who are wise will suffer, so that God will make them pure and acceptable until the end, which will still come at the time he has decided.
36 This king will do as he pleases. He will proudly claim to be greater than any god and will insult the only true God. Indeed, he will be successful until God is no longer angry with his people. 37 This king will reject the gods his ancestors worshiped and the god preferred by women.[d] In fact, he will put himself above all gods 38 and worship only the so-called god of fortresses, who was unknown to his ancestors. And he will honor it with gold, silver, precious stones, and other costly gifts. 39 With the help of this foreign god, he will capture the strongest fortresses. Everyone who worships this god will be put in a position of power and rewarded with wealth and land.
Part Three: The Time of the End
40 At the time of the end, the king of the south will attack the kingdom of the north. But its king will rush out like a storm with war chariots, cavalry, and many ships. Indeed, his forces will flood one country after another, 41 and when they reach the holy land,[e] tens of thousands will be killed. But the countries of Edom and Moab and the ruler of Ammon[f] will escape.
42 The king of the north will invade many countries, including Egypt (Wow, invade Egypt!! Just like that. A nation of almost 100 million people will finally be invaded by Walid Shoebat. GO WALI!!!!!!!!!),
43 and he will take its rich treasures of gold and silver. He will also conquer Libya and Ethiopia.[g] 44 But he will be alarmed by news from the east and the north, and he will become furious and cause great destruction. 45 After this, he will set up camp between the Mediterranean Sea and Mount Zion (Wait a minute! Did captin "crunch" Wali now invade Israel too???). Then he will be destroyed (aww, poor Wali), and no one will be able to save him.Footnotes:
a. Daniel 11:1 Darius the Mede: See 5.30.
b. Daniel 11:6 their child: One Hebrew manuscript and two ancient translations; most Hebrew manuscripts “her father.â€
c. Daniel 11:16 the holy land: See the note at 8.9.
d. Daniel 11:37 god preferred by women: Perhaps Tammuz or Adonis, which were popular among the women of that time.
e. Daniel 11:41 the holy land: See the note at 8.9.
f. Daniel 11:41 the ruler of Ammon: Or “what is left of Ammon.â€
g. Daniel 11:43 Ethiopia: The Hebrew text has “Cush,†which was a region south of Egypt that included parts of the present countries of Ethiopia and Sudan.
2- Daniel 2.http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%202&version=CEVDaniel 2
Contemporary English Version (CEV)Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream
During the second year that Nebuchadnezzar was king, he had such horrible nightmares that he could not sleep. 2 So he called in his counselors, advisors, magicians, and wise men, 3 and said, “I am disturbed by a dream that I don’t understand, and I want you to explain it.â€
4 They answered in Aramaic,[a] “Your Majesty, we hope you live forever! We are your servants. Please tell us your dream, and we will explain what it means.â€
5 But the king replied, “No! I have made up my mind. If you don’t tell me both the dream and its meaning, you will be chopped to pieces and your houses will be torn down. 6 However, if you do tell me both the dream and its meaning, you will be greatly rewarded and highly honored. Now tell me the dream and explain what it means.â€
7 “Your Majesty,†they said, “if you will only tell us your dream, we will interpret it for you.â€
8 The king replied, “You’re just stalling for time, 9 because you know what’s going to happen if you don’t come up with the answer. You’ve decided to make up a bunch of lies, hoping I might change my mind. Now tell me the dream, and that will prove that you can interpret it.â€
10 His advisors explained, “Your Majesty, you are demanding the impossible! No king, not even the most famous and powerful, has ever ordered his advisors, magicians, or wise men to do such a thing. 11 It can’t be done, except by the gods, and they don’t live here on earth.â€
12-13 This made the king so angry that he gave orders for every wise man in Babylonia to be put to death, including Daniel and his three friends.
God Tells Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream to Daniel
14 Arioch was the king’s official in charge of putting the wise men to death. He was on his way to have it done, when Daniel very wisely went to him 15 and asked, “Why did the king give such cruel[b ] orders?†After Arioch explained what had happened, 16 Daniel rushed off and said to the king, “If you will just give me some time, I’ll explain your dream.â€
17 Daniel returned home and told his three friends. 18 Then he said, “Pray that the God who rules from heaven will be merciful and explain this mystery, so that we and the others won’t be put to death.†19 In a vision one night, Daniel was shown the dream and its meaning. Then he praised the God who rules from heaven:
20 “Our God, your name
will be praised
forever and forever.
You are all-powerful,
and you know everything.
21 You control human events—
you give rulers their power
and take it away,
and you are the source
of wisdom and knowledge.
22 “You explain deep mysteries,
because even the dark
is light to you.
23 You are the God
who was worshiped
by my ancestors.
Now I thank you and praise you
for making me wise
and telling me the king’s dream,
together with its meaning.â€
Daniel Interprets the Dream
24 Daniel went back to Arioch, the official in charge of executing the wise men. Daniel said, “Don’t kill those men! Take me to the king, and I will explain the meaning of his dream.â€
25 Arioch rushed Daniel to the king and announced, “Your Majesty, I have found out that one of the men brought here from Judah can explain your dream.â€
26 The king asked Daniel,[c] “Can you tell me my dream and what it means?â€
27 Daniel answered:
Your Majesty, not even the smartest person in all the world can do what you are demanding. 28-29 But the God who rules from heaven can explain mysteries. And while you were sleeping, he showed you what will happen in the future. 30 However, you must realize that these mysteries weren’t explained to me because I am smarter than everyone else. Instead, it was done so that you would understand what you have seen.
31 Your Majesty, what you saw standing in front of you was a huge and terrifying statue, shining brightly. 32 Its head was made of gold, its chest and arms were silver, and from its waist down to its knees, it was bronze. 33 From there to its ankles it was iron, and its feet were a mixture of iron and clay.
34 As you watched, a stone was cut from a mountain—but not by human hands. The stone struck the feet, completely shattering the iron and clay. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed and blown away without a trace, like husks of wheat at threshing time. But the stone became a tremendous mountain that covered the entire earth.
36 That was the dream, and now I’ll tell you what it means. 37 Your Majesty, you are the greatest of kings, and God has highly honored you with power 38 over all humans, animals, and birds. You are the head of gold. 39 After you are gone, another kingdom will rule, but it won’t be as strong. Then it will be followed by a kingdom of bronze that will rule the whole world. 40 Next, a kingdom of iron will come to power, crushing and shattering everything.[d] (Neo-cons used to refer to verses like this during Saddam Hussein's reign, and attributed these verses to Iraq, because it is ancient Babylon. Yet, Iraq today and even during Saddam's days was virtually NOTHING, and never even came 1% close to conquoring the WORLD. I hope the reader clearly sees how stupid and dangerous the neo-cons' garbage full-filling are. They're not fulfilling any prophecy here, because these are no End of Times Prophecies! And if they were, then they'd clearly wouldn't be talking about Iraq and Arabia, for the Middle East is virtually powerless, and never ruled the world at all.).
41-42 This fourth kingdom will be divided—it will be both strong and brittle, just as you saw that the feet and toes were a mixture of iron and clay. 43 This kingdom will be the result of a marriage between kingdoms, but it will crumble, just as iron and clay don’t stick together.
44-45 During the time of those kings, the God who rules from heaven will set up an eternal kingdom that will never fall. (The zionist Israel, which is behind just about every major mischief and evil (INCLUDING 9/11), and world-wide corruption in the world, is not an Eternal Kingdom of GOD Almighty, nor is Israel here mentioned, despite that the Bible was for the Israelites and the Jews. SO THIS ETERNAL KINGDOM COULD VERY WELL BE JESUS CHRIST'S KINGDOM THAT HE WILL ESTABLISH IN PALESTINE, WHICH ISLAM PERFECTLY AGREES WITH). Visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/911_is_the_biggest_lie.htm
It will be like the stone that was cut from the mountain, but not by human hands—the stone that crushed the iron, bronze, clay, silver, and gold. Your Majesty, in your dream the great God has told you what is going to happen, and you can trust this interpretation. (If the dictatorships of Arabia get crushed and destroyed forever, and then Christ comes back and establishes the Kingdom, then this PERFECTLY FULFILLS ISLAM'S PROPHECIES! After all, the Prophet did say that the "horn of satan" will emerge from the land of Najd, in Arabia, and then Christ will return and crush the anti-Christ, and destroy the evil zionist state of Israel. The Muslims led by Christ will fight the Israelites in Israel and defeat them, in the End of Times Battles. This is again after Christ returns). Again, visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/911_is_the_biggest_lie.htm to see the evil state of Israel today, and its evil doings.
Daniel Is Promoted
46 King Nebuchadnezzar bowed low to the ground and worshiped Daniel. Then he gave orders for incense to be burned and a sacrifice of grain to be offered in honor of Daniel. 47 The king said, “Now I know that your God is above all other gods and kings, because he gave you the power to explain this mystery.†48 The king then presented Daniel with a lot of gifts; he promoted him to governor of Babylon Province and put him in charge of the other wise men. 49 At Daniel’s request, the king appointed Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego to high positions in Babylon Province, and he let Daniel stay on as a palace official.Footnotes:
a. Daniel 2:4 Aramaic: Chapter 2.4—7.28 is written in Aramaic, a language closely related to Hebrew.
b. Daniel 2:15 cruel: Or “urgent.â€
c. Daniel 2:26 Daniel: Aramaic “Daniel whose name was Belteshazzar†(see 1.7).
d. Daniel 2:40 crushing. . . everything: Three ancient translations; Aramaic adds “and like iron crushing.â€
More to come, insha'Allah.
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
