http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJhEzWkYiss
I recommend watching the brothers video. I naturally disagree with him , but would like Brother Osama to make a comment when he gets time.
As'salamu Alaikum dear Brother,
I went to that guy's page, and posted two comments where I showed him where he was wrong. Seconds later, he removed my two posts and blocked me, despite the fact that I spoke properly to him. At minute 3:50 of his video, he refutes himself by admitting that the Glorious Quran does indeed contain Scientific Notions and Miracles in It. He then goes on to speak general talk without giving single specific example. He's also wrong for claiming that we have reduced the Holy Quran to a science book. Pointing out the Miracles of the Glorious Quran has nothing to do with the Moral Code and Law of the Holy Quran.
Open Challenge:
I challenge any breathing creation on the face of this earth to refute the Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran! Don't give me general talk and nonsense. Give me technical and specific answers. Him blocking me and removing my posts, while me giving him a few examples and challenges to answer, such as the following from the 100s of Numerical and Scientific Miracles that were already found clearly shows that he has nothing:
The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.
The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.
At this stage that we've reached, it has become quite absurd to even question that the Glorious Quran is Miraculous. Yet, we find people like him speaking nonsense without even giving a single example to back anything up.
Him blocking me proves that the clown is quite familiar with my website. Tell him to come here to debate me. He won't get blocked. I only block those who either drown text with 10s of pages of inflamatory absurdities to avoid answering the point directly and to drown the point when he gets cornerned and refuted, as I did with one shia polythiest and idol-worshiping loser, and I also did it with one Muslim member who unfortunately was constantly being disrespectful to everyone on this board, and has become a big burden on me to monitor, contain and maintain (by me going into his posts and modify them). I was and am far too busy for his silly games. Otherwise, BRING IT ON! This is why I made this blog. I am not scared of any website or any author. Islam will smash them all!
Take care,
Osama Abdallah
Ya Akhi,
Although we should not backbite in Islam, i think there are two extremes. For instance, some brothers claim a lot of the Quran is a scientific miracle, and others claim not a single verse is.
Surely as the Quran says, we are the nation of the middle way? We need to basically only agree with 100% established science, and nothing less? But not disregard the verses that are pertaining to science.
And i agree. My faith was a little shaky yesterday after being told that the Quran has not a single scientific miracle -falsely.
So Allah swt tells us each stage of a human in the womb..but apparently that's just rhetoric ? I disagree.
There's another video i have, and this one is actually brilliant in terms of the embrology of the Quran(some parts):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuAfmJ3LS4sJazakallah!
Here was a message i sent:
First of all , let me acknowledge on what i do agree with the respected speaker in the video.
1. The Quran is not a book of science, it is not there to replace science text-books and filled with equations. The Quran is a guidance to mankind.
2. Science is everchanging and fluid, one day it can say one thing, the next something else.
3. People deceiving others (perhaps out of ignorance) and claiming something is scientific when infact, it is not, are removing our credibility.
However, let me talk about what i disagree with:
1. The underplaying of the clear natural phenomenon of the Quran, that does not fall into the above 3 catagories. It would be false to say science holistically is changing. Embrology for instance, is a documented fact. We can see the different stages an embryo undergoes , we know each stage, the layers, what forms when.
Thus, the Embrology in the Quran being a perfect match , being far above the knowledge Muhammed pbuh or anyone up to recent times , adds credibility that it indeed is the word of God.
No-one is lying to anyone else. This is established natural phenomenon.
Hamza Tzortis shares the same view as the speaker, but does not underplay the scientific miracles.
Another one, for instance, is the common origin of everything in the universe from a singularity. We have overwhelming evidence for it.
When the Quran talks about the creation of the universe it says : "Do not the unbelievers see, the heavens (universe) and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation) before we clove them asunder?...and we made every living thing from water".
1. Confirms everything in existence was 'joined together as one unit of creation'.
2 Common physical origin of everything.
3. Seperation from that common origin leads to our universe. 'clove them asunder'
Underplaying that is incorrect. It's not even correct to say 'that seems interesting'.
So it's beyond a fact the Quran has verses pertaining to natural phenomenon - clear verses -which science has been able to firmly establish. However, it's wrong to jump on any scientific advancement and try to find a link in the Quran. We should focus on established, thoroughly researched unchangeable elements of science.
1. The respected brother in the video quotes Muhammed pbuh and the Quran wavering from giving scientific examples. I think that's an incorrect analogy to make.
Allah swt in several verses clearly tells us how the winds work, about orbits, rotations, how the universe was made, embryology the seas of the earth and the invisible barriers, and for salt and sea, the partitions, and so on and so forth.
This is the creator of the universe making comments on how he has programmed certain elements, or his knowledge given to us in a form he chooses on how certain natural phenomenon works - so it would actually be very worrying not to find such things in the Quran.
I think you have two extremes. Those who go over the top and are over zealous, and those who (incorrectly) do not make the clear link between established science and the Quran where credit is due.
