the 4th person of the trinity

[bor3i]

Yeshua ben Sirach book ,Ecclesiasticus 24:5
 wisdom saying:5 I came out of the mouth of the most High, the firstborn before all creatures ...
here are the 4th person of the fourinity whom are before the word.. this is how you can twist an intro like john 1 with the help of Genesis 1 and some other words.

 how can anyone wanna call the Greek testament an inspired and a reliable historical evidence or an ISA injeel or Euangelion? .

https://books.google.com/books?id=6WWIxsUdjTcC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=Ecclesiastes+24+before+all+creatures&source=bl&ots=R61yTt2C8m&sig=D1vcZ4l1ebCSU4z6ID1lEgFcJ08&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Ecclesiastes%2024%20before%20all%20creatures&f=false

[bor3i]

so here are the mother, the 2nd hidden person of the fourinity....

 this is how they tried to hide God wisdom to men after they tried to contain and hide his light into a roman mask called Jesus as a wrapped present of salvation for their new invisible sun deity/pharaoh/Caesar/devil ..

I believe that this is been done by using the TANACH, using what good or corrupted in it and twist it's words to stick it to their deity, then in the end they found that the best way to mislead this emotional creature is by stimulating people's emotions from a fake Shakespearian play which is very cheap to be a godly methodology in leading people to his light....

 then they used/showed their snakes wisdom as a snake agents who made a covenant with him to be a total madness religion and to mislead and corrupt this world.

they studied the TANACH after the Septuagint translation for 500 years, and used it as a holy spirit to write the 4 romans books, so what do we expect when they firstly started to use Judaism superficially to bite people and use paganism invisibly, and now they are using what called global secularism(McDonald/Starbucks) superficially to achieve what their devil wants subliminally.

 we believe that the universal(catholic) church needed that material to make a universal imposters pagan religion that contain pagans, polytheists, and to contain the God of Moses who made so much trouble to their pharaohs, Abraham father, Caesars, Greeks, Persians, and threw it into one idol/icon/mask in order to dysfunction Allah guidance, that's why the last message of Islam was a very necessary reply to the evil in a polite way...

although Persians tried to make a mask called ALI/his family by using Quran and preparing him to be a god/idol in order to disable God guidance, but they failed because . aya 41:42"Falsehood cannot come at it from before it or from behind it. (It is) a revelation from the Wise, the Owner of Praise.".

this subject been quoted and altered from a youtube user on some david wood videos.

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Bor3i,

Welcome to the board, akhi.  May Allah Almighty bless you, and insha'Allah may your knowledge be a benefit to all readers here, and may this board help you grow your knowledge and wisdom in Islam more and more, insha'Allah.  Ameen.



Here is a fifthinity:

The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.


No where in the ENTIRE BIBLE do we find any text that says Jesus had no beginning and no end.  Only to GOD Almighty we find it and to uncle Melchizedek.

Please visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/1john2_22.htm

I will add this thread to the appropriate articles throughout the website, insha'Allah.  You brought up excellent argument, akhi Bor3i.  Jazaka Allah Khayr.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[bor3i]

alaykum salam akhi, I Ask Allah to bless you and reward you all good dear brother Osama, Allahuma guide us to help the truth rises over evil again and always, Allahuma teach us of what benefit us, and benefit us of what you taught us.

 I'm very happy that it was a good article for the community... I ask Allah to guide us to more good articles for the sake of truth.

 about Melchizedek, there are some apologetics tells that the biblical Jesus has advent himself in Melchizedek because Abraham ﷺ was giving him the tenth as in Hebrews 7, but some of them ignores Hebrews 7-3 which tells that he looks like the son of god(aha! isn't the one who looks like the son of god is another son of god?), but it didn't say it's him, so they tried to make it appears like the biblical advents on the tree and the pigeon without any type of biblical evidence also, just a words in the air like any rejecter who reject Allah orders through idols or science or anything else than Allah.

also they claim that the only and the first incarnation for their Deity was in the biblical Jesus. but I see that since Melchizedek looks like son of god with unknown genealogy, then he is also must be considered as an incarnation out of the house of david because where is it says that the incarnation has/will only happen in the house of david

 so yes Melchi is still the fifthinity! the first incarnation maybe? until they have a biblical evidence of a verse telling that Melchizedek is really a biblical Jesus the first, not only looks like him, or any other biblical evidence telling us that Jesus was the only incarnation for their deity.

 Allahuma reward you well .

[QuranSearchCom]

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother Bor3i,

You gotta love the stupidity of the polytheist trinitarian pagans.  So now their response to Melchizedek is that he looked like the Son, and so therefore, he is lower than Jesus.  Yet, Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  We're not debating status and stature here.  I want to know how can the Creator of the Universe be IN ACCORDING TO ANY OF HIS CREATION??  I don't care who is higher and lower than the other between Jesus and other creations.  The entire Bible is unreliable.

As to "The Son", this is referring to the Messiah, the Ultimate Messenger to the Jews.  Son in their time meant Servant of GOD.  Allah Almighty also explained it precisely like this in the Glorious Quran.  Please visit:

www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm

I hope this helps, Insha'Allah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[A proud Muslim]

Is there a sixinity?

[QuranSearchCom]

Mary with the Catholics.  They sing: "O Mary Mother of God....".  LOL.  Seriously!  I've seen them on Arabic satalite TV in one of their Christian channels saying:

"Ya Maryam ya Um Allah...." in their songs and poems.  It sounds quite horrible and offensive in Arabic, because Allah Almighty is the Supreme GOD to us Muslims, and in their songs they call Mary His mother.  Please visit:

https://www.google.com/search?q=o+mary+mother+of+god+prayer&oq=O+mary+mother+of+God&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0j0i10i30k1.11143.11427.0.14040.2.2.0.0.0.0.77.145.2.2.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.143...0i13k1.a4jFFfl40fg

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=mary+is+crowned+the+queen+of+heaven&oq=Mary+is+the+queen+of+HEaven&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0j0i22i30k1l3.292.8035.0.14536.42.34.5.0.0.0.348.3481.17j9j2j1.29.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..9.31.3148.0..35i39k1j0i131k1j0i20k1j0i13k1j33i160k1j0i13i30k1.B8A6890xHA8

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[QuranSearchCom]

Not only there is a sixinity, but there is also a sexinity .  Vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".  The bible sings praises about this at:

www.answering-christianity.com/ac10.htm#links

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

[Albarra]

That's true, but trinity is actually a polytheism. That is why there are more than 3 Gods/heads. 

Watch it.
 
Shadid Lewis vs Anthony Rogers - Is Belief in the Trinity Polytheism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKvROKs7AtM

[bor3i]

yah what can we think about these people , aren't they are the snakes! brood of vipers! who been advised by their lord to hold snakes and be wise as snakes ?

[bor3i]

this is how they love their enemies and slaughter them before the snake . XD

[bor3i]

you may find the same words in proverbs 8:12-23 that points to wisdom as the 2inthity of the 5thinity.  if they doesn't accept Ecclesiasticus as the word of God .