This isn't a trivial matter you're talking about . So don't try to make it look like we're having a chat . This is a major problem . And I clearly don't accept when someone calls the sayings of the prophet lies and conspiracies and fables f 7th century . Also , I don't accept someone to compare the science of Hadith with a school game of "Your phone is broken" !
So which Hadith claim should we take up as true and which Hadith should we reject and why?
I'll make it short . The basis of doing this is the science which you hate so much . A science that every fair person said is the most accurate way to know facts of history :
http://abohobelah.blogspot.com/2012/06/blog-post_7750.htmlThe funny thing is that the links describes you well and your tries to accuse Hadith . Again , if you don't know about Hadith then you have no right at all talk about it .
Of course you always have the option to throw a dart in the direction of the following collections and see where it lands and take that as the one "true" Sunnah and be prepared to be declared a "Kafir" by all the rest 
Mind you, all of them are claimed to be vetted through the same magical "Science" of Hadith. Needless to say, each and every one of them ignores the all important public delivery aspect of the official message and hopes nobody will notice that 99.9% of them are single third party narrations.
So because you know nothing , you accuse all these people from different places - India to Spain - of lying and conspiring . You're saying that people from the far east to the far west , although they agreed to the same sayings and exact text , are all lying and conspiring and hypocrites .
What a dangerous thing is denying Sunnah . That's why the prophet said :
يُوشِكُ أَحَدُكُمْ أَنْ يُكَذِّبَنِي وَهُوَ مُتَّكِئٌ عَلَى أَرِيكَتِهِ يُحَدَّثُ بِحَدِيثِي ، فَيَقُولُ : بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ ، فَمَا وَجَدْنَا فِيهِ مِنْ حَلَالٍ اسْتَحْلَلْنَاهُ ، وَمَا وَجَدْنَا فِيهِ مِنْ حَرَامٍ حَرَّمْنَاهُ ، أَلَا وَإِنَّ مَا حَرَّمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مِثْلُ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ
And here's an idea , NEVER , EVER , compare between the science of Hadith of the people of Sunnah and group and that of Shia and others . Enough said is that they don't require the one saying something to be truthful or even known !
http://abohobelah.blogspot.com/2012/08/blog-post_11.htmlNow comes the fun part, with the possible exception of the Ibadi collection, each and every other collection has an interesting thread running through it. All the collectors were Persians and all of them appeared out of nowhere right after the defeat of the Persians. You just need two functioning brain cells to figure out the rest.
An outrageous lie ! Bukhari was born in Bukhara and Ahmad bin Hanbal was born in Baghdad of Iraq and Nas'i was born in Nasa - Not NASA of space - and some others were born in Persia . What does that have to do with anything ? If you have no evidence then please shut it and spare us the baseless conspiracy theories .
No matter where the dart lands, in essence it will be no more than a game of "my scholars are better than yours". I for one refuse to assign my eternity to this crapshoot.
Again , either learn a few fragments about Hadith or shut it . Whenever I read something you write I find a load of accusations which are in no way true except in your own head . There is no difference between what you do and what Non-Muslims do of taking their information about it from Islamophobic sites instead of its own sources .
Being intellectually honest with myself, I cannot bring myself into believing Hadiths. Just like how I cannot bring myself into believing in Hinduism, Polytheism or Christianity. Why do you think I left Christianity? They all share things in common:
1.) Based on corrupted sources
2.) Shown to be historically corrupted
3.) Contain contradictions within themselves
4.) Contain contradictions with reality
5.) Been shown to be false many times
6.) Immense scientific errors
And that is why I have MAJOR problems with you and every denier of Sunnah . No knowledge OR manners . Just now you were ranting about how we call each other "Kuffar" and now you call us so ? You compare Hadith to the ones who worship cows ?! I'm still holding my nerves , but it seems you just want to cause mischief among people .
And saying "Being honest with myself equals nothing . I also say that being honest with myself makes me reject those who deny Sunnah and deem them as ones corrupting Islam . And I challenge you and your whole gang of corrupters to prove a single point of what you claim .
God in the Quran clearly informs the Prophet Pbuh that there are hypocrites among the Sahaba Quran 9:101 and that not even the Prophet of God (Pbuh) didn't know who they were, so the question is how did Bukhari know? Is Bukhari somehow more knowledgeable than the prophet himself (pbuh).
You have until the sun rises from the west or until you die to prove this . And you bluntly say "Clearly" and as we so , your explanations are all acrobatic . O one who knows not , Allah says about the companions
Certainly was Allah pleased with the believers when they pledged allegiance to you, [O Muhammad], under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquillity upon them and rewarded them with an imminent conquest
So I'll never accept someone to call the companions hypocrites ! Someone who says we call others Kuffar and then does the same thing with those whom he doesn't equal their shoes !
hat I would really like to know is when did "obey the messenger" (not necessarily"Nabi") mean "obey Bukhari". How do we obey the prophet Muhammad?
Get out of your daydreams . Bukhari was a scholar among many others whom Allah used to keep his religion safe . He's a human who does errs . Ignorants who claim we worship him or call him a holy figure need to learn . A simple fact that breaks your claim is that the books of Bukhari were also looked through and scanned for any tiny amount of mistakes and errors . And indeed , there were times when he did mistakes . The science in total is what judges them .
Many muslims who uphold hadith bring up the "obey the messenger" argument. I would just add some more information for you, which MOST Muslims don't know:
- The Rasool (Messengers) are of THREE types in the Quran.
1- Human messengers i.e. Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad etc. etc.etc.
2- The Angels as messengers: 15:57, 11:69, 29:31, 6:61.
3- The Quran itself is the messenger : 65:10 and 11.
Further there is NO verse in the Quran that says "Obey the Nabi". Its always "Obey Rasool".
Who are Rasool? The prophets, the angels, the Quran make up the Rasool. Which revelation includes the message of all the Rasool and the final law? The Quran.
There's someone in the forum of monotheism who told us once that the deniers of Sunnah - unjustly called Quranists - are the first to know not about Quran which they claim to follow . And my was he right ! Quran says :
O you who have believed, obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn from him while you hear [his order].
So you're saying that people saw the angel Jibreel - peace upon him - and heard from him ?! And by the way , as I said , you're the first to know not about Quran . Here are the verses in the chapter of divorce :
Allah has prepared for them a severe punishment; so fear Allah , O you of understanding who have believed. Allah has sent down to you the Qur'an. 10 [He sent] a Messenger [Muhammad] reciting to you the distinct verses of Allah that He may bring out those who believe and do righteous deeds from darknesses into the light. And whoever believes in Allah and does righteousness - He will admit him into gardens beneath which rivers flow to abide therein forever. Allah will have perfected for him a provision. 11
So you're telling me that Quran used to read Quran for people ??!!
And what do we say about the verses at the start of the chapter of rooms (Hujurat) ?
O you who have believed, do not put [yourselves] before Allah and His Messenger but fear Allah . Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing. 1 O you who have believed, do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet or be loud to him in speech like the loudness of some of you to others, lest your deeds become worthless while you perceive not. 2 Indeed, those who lower their voices before the Messenger of Allah - they are the ones whose hearts Allah has tested for righteousness. For them is forgiveness and great reward. 3
And brothers, I am absolutely absolutely infuriated with Muslims upholding hadiths thinking that by doing pilgramage, that their sins will be wiped out. These people come out thinking they are now sinless and they won't repent anymore to Allah because they believe they are now sinless!
Enough with the nonsense ! You clearly know nothing at all ! The prophet peace upon him says :
Whoever performs Hajj and stay aways away from lewdness, wrangling , and obscenities will come home like a newborn
NOWHERE does it say that one can commit sins and they'll be forgiven !!
Now let me give you some points demolishing your faith of denying Sunnah .
1 -You claim that Quran says it is the only source . Then why does Quran itself tells us to ask others ?
And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We inspired - Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not! -
2 - The ones who wrote Hadith did follow the teachings of Quran and used its way .
A - Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."
B - O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.
C - And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you,
D - O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin.
In the first one , Quran gives instructions to ask for evidence in anything and not accept whatever told . In the second one , Quran tells us to be investigate what we are told . In the third one , Quran tells us to be patient in investigating evidence . In the fourth one , Quran tells us to not accuse with no proof .
Now , these rules are done correctly by the scholars of Hadith while you who deny Sunnah do the opposite . You don't follow the third one which tells us to be patient in finding evidence . When one writes Hadith , he travels great distances to make sure of every single piece of information he is told . And you who sit in your house with air conditioning have no right object on this method . And when it comes to the forth one , Allah tells us to avoid negative assumptions while you simply say Hadith is corrupted and that the writers are liars and hypocrites . You even go to call the companions hypocrites !!
3 - History mentions a huge range of claims and accusations against Quran and else . Why don't we EVER hear about deniers of Sunnah in the time of the prophet peace upon him and his companions ? Why didn't anyone at all say that we must ONLY follow Quran and abandon anything else ? You talk about baseless theories accusing Hadith and I'm talking rationally here . If this path you're going down is really true , then how come no one noticed ? There's a difference between different explanations of verses and between an essential matter such as this .
4 - Through this method which you hate so much and make fun of , we know that there is a man called "Muhammad" and that there are people who lived with him called "Companions" and that Allah sent a book to him called "Quran" . So without this method , we loose our history . And based on that , anyone can deny that there was ever a man called Muhammad - peace upon him - and and deny that there were companions . In fact , anyone can deny anything with this method you follow . I for example can deny that there was world war one . How can you ever object on me ? I didn't see it and only heard about it from people who heard about it from others . Then it must be a fable .
