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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Isa Al Masih
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on September 28, 2023, 01:37:49 PM »
Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Mohammed,

Welcome back.  The Islamic awaited Messiah has a lot in common with what the old scriptures say about him, but you can't base our Islamic Messiah entirely on the previous scriptures, because they contain ample corruption in them.

Please visit:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac24.htm#links
https://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_53.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm
  (Prophet Muhammad, the Arabian Prophet, predicted)


Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Isa Al Masih
« Last post by Mohamed Saif on September 26, 2023, 02:29:23 AM »
Assalamu Alaikum dear brothers

It's been a while since I posted here. We know that the Jews have been waiting for this figure since time and the Old Testament too speaks of this figure in variety of places such. We also know that this figure will have a certain role to play according to the Old Testament. He will be:

The Descendant of David: Traditional Jewish belief holds that the Messiah will be a descendant of King David. This belief is based on passages like 2 Samuel 7:12-16 and Jeremiah 23:5-6, which speak of a righteous branch from David's lineage who will rule as a king.

The Ingathering of Exiles: The messianic era is expected to include the gathering of Jewish exiles from all corners of the world back to the land of Israel. This concept is rooted in passages like Isaiah 11:11-12 and Ezekiel 37:21-22.

Rebuilding of the Temple: Many Jewish traditions anticipate the rebuilding of the Third Temple in Jerusalem during the messianic era. While this is not explicitly stated in the Hebrew Bible, it is inferred from passages like Ezekiel 37:26-28.

Universal Knowledge of God: It is believed that during the messianic age, all people will come to recognize and worship the God of Israel. This idea is based on texts like Isaiah 11:9 and Zechariah 14:9.

World Peace: The arrival of the Messiah is associated with an era of universal peace, where nations will cease to wage war. This vision is found in passages like Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3.

A Time of Righteousness and Justice: The Messiah is expected to bring an age characterized by righteousness and justice, where the poor and oppressed are uplifted. This notion is drawn from texts such as Isaiah 11:3-4 and Isaiah 42:1-4.

We know that the Quran calls Jesus as Al Masih which means "The Messiah". So is Isa Al Masih of the Quran the awaited Messianic Figure of the Old Testament?
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In this paper, I will talk about the "crosswise" mentioned in Maide 33, but before that, I would like to briefly introduce another topic;

I also get a lot of questions about the punishment for theft according to the Qur'an. There is a lot of focus on whether the punishment for cutting off the hand is to cut it off completely or to scratch it and mark it.

When we consider the Qur'an in its entirety, the generally agreed conclusion is this;

In the book, the expression "cutting off the hand" in cases of theft includes all 3 meanings:

1- Cutting off his hand

2- Scratching (marking) your hand

3- Cutting off his means, i.e. imprisonment and similar restrictions.

It is noteworthy that in the story of Prophet Joseph, which is described in the verses, we see that the thief was detained, that is, imprisoned.

We think that the verses ask for one of these 3 practices depending on the magnitude/degree of the theft and the situation of the thief. In addition, the victim, i.e. the owner, can forgive the thief if he wishes, or there may be cases where the thief is not punished at all due to other special circumstances (e.g. stealing out of hunger/necessity, kleptomania/stealing disorder, etc...). Considering that the verses already authorize the relatives of the victim to forgive, i.e. mitigate the punishment, even for the crime of murder, which is the most serious violation of individual rights, it means that the same door of forgiveness is always open in the case of extortion of property/money, which is a relatively minor crime.

But as I said at the beginning of my article, I would like to address the issue of "crosswise" mentioned in verse 33 of Surah Maide and I will say something new about it. The situation is exactly the opposite of what is believed. The practice of crossing the hands and feet was actually practiced by the pagans against those who did not submit to them/Muslims, and what the verse is referring to is the struggle for defense by responding in the same way against the oppressors who did not give up this practice during the time of the prophet.

First of all, it should be well understood that the verse is about the Muslims fighting a defensive war against aggressors.

As I have already stated in this article, only self-defense, i.e. defensive warfare, is permitted in Islam:

And this verse, which also speaks of self-defense, speaks of retaliating against those who persecuted the believers at the time and persisted in doing so, and making them taste/return what they had done:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kuranda-sadece-nefsi-mudafaya-izin.html

Surah al-Ma'idah 33: "The recompense of those who fight Allah and His Messenger and seek to make mischief in the land is this: They shall be killed, or hanged, or their hands and feet shall be cut off crosswise, or they shall be driven out of their homes. This is a disgrace for them in this world. And a great torment for them in the Hereafter.  34. Except those who repent before you seize them. So know that Allah is most forgiving, most merciful."
   
As I have said, the Qur'an only calls for self-defense and retaliation against the oppressors who attacked Muslims out of the blue at that time and refused to give up the war and refused to make peace. As the Qur'an tells us, the pagans had been practicing this practice of crosswise against Muslims since time immemorial (especially the Pharaohs of Egypt). In order to understand the subject, you should first read my study:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/msr-firavunlarnn-caprazlama-merak.html

As Texe Marrs explains in his book Codex Magica, in Ancient Egyptian religion, the "X" or "crosswise" was a symbol of the sun god Osiris and therefore sacred to them. Egyptian kings were buried with their hands and feet crossed. The X symbol is frequently seen in inscriptions from the ancient Egyptian civilization and on the walls of temples and pyramids. They also used this crossing ritual to punish those who opposed them.

The verses also inform us that pagans have been obsessed with crosses since ancient times, even while committing violence against Muslims. In the incident described in Surah Taha, we see that Pharaoh attempted to use the crossing of hands and feet against Muslims:

Surah Taha

63. They said: "They are nothing but two sorcerers. They want to drive you out of your land by their sorcery and destroy your exemplary way.
64. "So join your skills together, then come together in ranks! Today, the one who prevails will be saved. "
65. They said: "O Moses, either show your prowess, or we shall be the first to show it. "
66. Moses said: "No, you throw!" And what did he see! Their ropes and sticks and their incantations made him think that they were really running.
67. Suddenly Moses felt a sudden fear within him.
68. We said: "Fear not, it is you who will prevail!"
69. "Put down what is in your right hand! Let it devour what they have produced as an industry. What they produce as an industry is only a sorcerer's trick. And the sorcerer does not prosper wherever he goes. "
70. Then the sorcerers fell prostrate and cried out: "We believe in the Lord of Aaron and Moses!"
71. Pharaoh said: "You believed in him without my permission? He is your elder who taught you magic. I swear by Allah that I will cut off your hands and your feet crosswise, and I swear by Allah that I will hang you from palm trees. Then you will know which of us will have a more severe and lasting punishment. "
72 They said: "We will never prefer you to the clear proofs that have come to us and to the One who created us. Execute your judgment. Your judgment is valid only in the life of this world. "

The pagan, Spiritualist/Spiritualist-based teaching of the Pharaohs, which held the sign of the cross sacred, was not limited to the ancient Egyptian period. It has survived to the present day under various names all over the world (Jewish mysticism was also built on the basis of this teaching) and still continues to this day (for example, in Far Eastern meditations, legs are crossed and trance is entered, etc.).

Spiritualism, which has continued to immerse people in shirk for thousands of years in its various versions, was of course influential on the pagans in the time of our prophet, as it was in every period. And so the polytheists of that time continued the same violence and methods against the Muslims. Just as they had done in the times of previous prophets.


                            Some pictures from Texe Marrs' Codex Magica     

 

 

 




And again, in Surat al-Ma'ida, it is presented as an option, as a defense strategy, to retaliate against the pagans/spiritualists who have been cutting the hands and feet of Muslims crosswise since time immemorial and who continue to do so, i.e. to do the same to them. Those who expelled the prophets and their followers from their countries were likewise expelled from their countries, and those who attacked them were responded to in the same way, in short, the permission of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" was mentioned. And as I said, when we read the book in its entirety, we see that this permission for defensive warfare given to Muslims ends if the attackers stop what they are doing to the believers and make peace.

In other words, the cross here has nothing to do with theft or whether the person believes or not. It only calls for a war of defense and retaliation against those who physically attacked them, that's all. Otherwise, everyone is free to believe or not believe whatever they want and to direct their lives accordingly. According to the Quran, no one can even be slapped because of their beliefs.

Greetings and love

(My Turkish article translated with machine)
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Does the Quran Imply Geocentrism?
« Last post by Sama on July 02, 2023, 02:46:24 AM »
 Geocentrism is the notion that the earth is the centre of our universe, thus all celestial bodies (the sun, the moon and the 5 known planets) move around it. The ancient Greeks and the Europeans of the middle ages thought that the celestial bodies all moved in celestial spheres around the earth.
Heliocentrism, is the astronomical model in which the Earth and planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the Solar System.

Islam enemies say that quran is geocentric. To accuse God with such a grave accusation, we expect them to show where did quran mention that "earth is the centre of our universe" and "moon & sun move around it".

Fact: Nowhere in the quran we find such a statement; just another empty propaganda.

Their only "proof" is that geocentrism was a common belief in the past, so quran must be geocentric !

Disbelievers are making an assumption about without sufficient evidence to support the assumption. There are other more valid assumptions that can be made. Therefore, the only basis for choosing their particular assumption is because it is consistent with a particular bias.
 
They base their 'assertion' upon:
1. God did not mention that earth has an orbit.
2. makes no distinction between the movement of the moon and the movement of the sun
3. seems to associate the passing of the day and night with the movement of the sun (and moon)

Their first 2 'proofs' aren’t even relevant so they don’t even require any related explanation to begin with, while the 3rd feature is inaccurate because it disregards the textual context of the verses in question.

- God is omniscient.
- In the Qur’an, God says that the sun and the moon swim in their orbits.
- Modern astronomy confirms that the moon revolves around the earth and the sun revolves around the galaxy.
- Therefore, the orbits of the sun and the moon, as mentioned in the Qur’an, can therefore be understood to refer to moon’s circular orbit around the earth and the sun’s circular orbit around the galaxy.

The mentioning of the “night and day” cycle along with the “sun and moon” orbits in those verses does not necessarily indicate a geocentric perspective. Although they are mentioned together in several verses in the Qur’an, they are always grouped together separately from each other in all of those instances. It’s never said as “the night with the moon” or “the day with the sun” in any of those instances. In addition to that, the moon is not always visible at night nor is it only visible at night. This further disassociates the mentioning of “night and day” with the “sun and the moon”.

There is also the context of those verses as well, which is not about the day/night dichotomy, but about the signs of God in the universe with the “day and night” being one of them and the “sun and moon” being another. With regard to the verse in question:

Qur’an 21:30-36: Are the disbelievers not aware that the heavens and the earth used to be joined together and that We ripped them apart, that We made every living thing from water? Will they not believe? And We put firm mountains on the earth, lest it should sway under them, and set broad paths on it, so that they might follow the right direction, and We made the sky a well-secured canopy––yet from its wonders they turn away. It is He who created night and day, the sun and the moon, each floating in its orbit. We have not granted everlasting life to any other human being before you either [Muhammad]––if you die, will [the disbelievers] live forever? Every soul is certain to taste death: We test you all through the bad and the good, and to Us you will all return. When the disbelievers see you, they laugh at you: ‘Is this the one who talks about your gods?’ They reject any talk of the Lord of Mercy.

Here, in addition to the “night and day” and “sun and moon”, we also see the mention of “the heavens and the earth”, the “mountains”, every living thing being made from water, and the “sky”. You cannot possibly associate all of those things exclusively with each other, yet the attempt is made to do so if the “day and night” happen to be mentioned in the same verse as the “sun and moon”?

http://quranscientificerror.blogspot.com/2013/08/re-geocentricism-quran-error-refuted.html
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: chain mail
« Last post by Sama on July 02, 2023, 02:41:40 AM »
In terms of the power of Allah, it is possible for the Prophet Dawud to cast iron into any shape he wished like wax, without heating and forging it. Elmalılı, the tafsir scholar, states the following regarding the issue:

"It seems that iron softens and dissolves so much in the fire that it becomes like ink used in writing. Then, who, among sane people, regards it as impossible for to divine power?

Some people reached the conclusion that what was meant by it was to say that he found and discovered melting iron by using fire and tools but it is not true. The discovery and smelting of iron must have occurred before. However, applying sensitive technology to weave it like clothes by putting it in any shape like wax was an art granted to the Prophet Dawud. "
https://questionsonislam.com/question/who-invented-war-armor

Allah knows best
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: has it been refuted?
« Last post by Sama on July 02, 2023, 02:31:25 AM »

Did the Prophet Muhammad Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embryology?
https://www.hamzatzortzis.com/did-the-prophet-muhammad-plagiarise-hellenic-embryology/

Scientists Acceptance of the Miracles of the Quran
https://www.quranproject.org/Quran-Project-Appendix-Scientists-Acceptance-of-the-Miracles-of-the-Quran-226-d

A Scientist's Interpretation of References to Embryology in the Qur'an
http://www.islam101.com/science/embryo.html

Great resources:
https://islam-papers.com/embryology-in-the-quran/
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: pagan origins?
« Last post by Sama on July 02, 2023, 02:24:54 AM »
 Most of the Arabs had complied with the call of Ishmael (Peace be upon him) , and professed the religion of his father Abraham (Peace be upon him) They had worshipped Allah, professed His Oneness and followed His religion a long time until they forgot part of what they had been reminded of.

However, they still maintained such fundamental beliefs such as monotheism as well as various other aspects of Abraham’s religion, until the time when a chief of Khuza‘a, namely ‘Amr bin Luhai, who was renowned for righteousness, charity, reverence and care for religion, and was granted unreserved love and obedience by his tribesmen, came back from a trip to Syria where he saw people worship idols, a phenomenon he approved of and believed it to be righteous since Syria was the locus of Messengers and Scriptures, he brought with him an idol (Hubal) which he placed in the middle of Al-Kaabah and summoned people to worship it.

Readily enough, paganism spread all over Makkah and, thence, to Arabia, people of Makkah being custodians of not only the Sacred House but the whole Haram as well. A great many idols, bearing different names, were introduced into the area.

The Arabs believed that such idols, or heathen gods, would bring them nearer to Allah, lead them to Him, and mediate with Him for their sake, to which effect, the Qur’an goes:

“We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah.” [39:3], and

“And they worship besides Allah things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah.” [10:18]

The polytheists, who faked Abrahamism, were so far detached from its precepts, and totally oblivious of its immanent good manners. They plunged into disobedience and ungodliness, and developed certain peculiar religious superstitions that managed to leave a serious impact on the religious and socio-political life in the whole of Arabia.
Religions of the Arabs: https://www.muhammad.net/index.php/biographies/17-ar-raheeq-al-makhtum/605-religions-of-the-arabs

The polytheists who associated partners with Allah in worship admitted that He is the Sole Creator of the heavens, earth, sun, moon, day, and night, and that He is the Sole Sustainer of all Creation, Who grants all beings provisions, and Who has predetermined their destinies and decreed that they should be granted dissimilar amounts of provision in this worldly life, making some rich and some poor. They, just like Christ-worshippers, claimed that these idols are "the only way" to God/Allah.

If you have further questions, let us know.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Pharaoh
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on July 01, 2023, 11:19:09 AM »
You're welcome, brother.  The second link above has it.  Please read the links.  There is much knowledge to be gained there, insha'Allah.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Pharaoh
« Last post by ahmed on July 01, 2023, 11:15:16 AM »
thank you brother, is there an image of the Pharaoh?
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Pharaoh
« Last post by QuranSearchCom on July 01, 2023, 10:51:06 AM »
The pharaoh that was found was proven to have died by asphyxiation, specifically via drowning in water.  The Glorious Quran mentioned that Allah Almighty told pharaoh that Allah will preserve his body as a sign for all people.  So the Quranic Miracle and Prophecy has been proven and fulfilled:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#archeology
https://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_drowned.htm
https://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links



Now as to it was Rameses or not, I really don't care brother.  Only Allah Almighty knows.  But the pharaoh that was found and whose body was preserved was proven to have been a pharoah, and most likely Islamically is the cursed pharaoh who attacked Prophet Moses, peace be upon him, and his followers.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah
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