Alaikom assalam Brother Osama ,and thanx for your link ....
no muslim would ever deny that the prophet peace be upon him is mentioned in the torah and Injeel,as the prophet like unto Moses peace be upon him.... and the discussion in the thread is not debating that at all ...
take care ..May Allah bless you..
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Prophet Mohammed pbuh is not the,this or that Messiah does not proves that Islam is a false religion. Nor does it matters to muslims if he was the messiah the Jews awaited or not.
That is true ... TO ADD, Nor does it matter to NON-muslims if he was the messiah the Jews awaited or not,if he never claimed to be so.
AND IF U R MUSLIM I APOLOGISE TO UR ABSURD THEORY OF MESSIAH .
I don't have a theory regarding the messiah , the messiah for me is none.
MY INTENTION WAS - IF ONLY THEY KNEW ABOUT IT THEY WILL INSHA ALLAH COME TO THE PATH OF TRUTH I.E., ISLAM - IS THE REASON I WROTE THIS ARTICLE. ..
I'm sure of your good intentions, but remember:
Holy Quran 16:125 Call unto the way of thy Lord with
wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way.
I don't find it
wisdom to call non-muslims to Islam with the incredible claim that Mohamed peace be upon him is such so called awaited Davidic jewish king messiah.
I don't believe in "the means justify the ends"
THE JEWS BELIEVE AND THE BIBLE TOO SAYS THAT MESSIAH WILL COME FROM AMONG THE JEWS FOR THE JEWS AND TO THE JEWS ONLY ONLY . .How - Read it from the mouth of Jesus of the bible. Jesus of bible himself accepted it when he said Jn 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews
You have just provided one of the reasons Jesus couldn't be the messiah(as predicted in the tankah) ....
the messiah as depicted in the tankah would be FOR the Jews ,not AGAINST them.
I already wrote and had proven that jesus himself denied that the messiah they were expecting will not descend from David when he said is y he said Mt 22:41-46 ...Please read it again with understanding
1- and I say the same ,Please read the previous link (I linked before) about Mathew's misinterpretation of the psalm, again with understanding.
2- more important ,let's for the sake of argument suppose that ,Jesus denied that the Davidic messiah is the seed of David ,on the other hand,the original prophecies in the tankah says he must be from the seed of David,,, what does it mean?
I think in that case we have only two options:
A-either the prophecy of the old testament is true "the messiah as the seed of david",hence giving the lie to Jesus of the new testament.
B- or the prophecy of the old testament is faked, hence we are left with the dramatic conclusion(If there were no prophecy ,there were no fulfillment)..
If u r muslim
I'm.
NOR ANYWER IN THE TANAKH(OT) IT IS MENTIONED THAT HE WILL BE A UNIQUE MESSIAH. IS IT ? THEN SHOW ME .
the incredible specific prophecies regarding such so called messiah would make him clearly unique ... as he is said to make dramatic incredible above imagination changes in the world(something that never and will never happen).
A UNIQUE PROPHET YES - IT IS GIVEN TO MOSES PBUH -
DT 34:10 THERE HAS NOT RISEN IN ISRAEL A PROPHET LIKE UNTO MOSES
Prophet Mohamed "pbuh" is like unto Moses (at least we Muslims believe so)....
A muslim asking where had sahibi said so and so.- this again makes me doubt ur claim of being a muslim.
I said that Abdullah ibn salam believed that Mohamed (pbuh)was a true prophet from God not the davidic messiah, and you doubt me being muslim !!! ,strange,isn't it?!!
u cannot prove to me thru ur quoting of john 4:25 that jesus is A UNIQUE MESSIAH david king or whatever..
my point was to prove that the Jews(correctly) differentiated between the promised messiah and the prophet like unto Moses....
Who else can jews know like their own sons - No doubt that it was none other than or a unique prophet the messiah awaited by them from the time torah predicted him in Dt 18:18. I WILL RAISE UP A PROPHET NOTE IT IS WRITTEN PROPHET NOT MESSIAH...
once you omit the part in red ,I agree with you 100% then... and thank you for your note "IT IS WRITTEN PROPHET NOT MESSIAH."
ONE IMP QUESTION I WANT TO ASK U? IF HE OR ANY NON-MUSLIM WUD HAVE BELIEVED OR MENTIONED THAT HE WAS THE DAVIDIC-KING MESSIAH - WUD U HAVE BELIEVED HIM TO BE TOO?...
I won't believe ,reason? because neither he nor anyone else fulfilled ANY of the prophecies mentioned about him in the tankah. but again ,repeating you correct words (Prophet Mohammed pbuh is not the,this or that Messiah does not proves that Islam is a false religion,Nor does it matters to muslims if he was the messiah the jews awaited or not.)
Let me tell u that y jesus was never d unique messiah which u claim he was.
I never said he was.
Now I will not reply
I hope you do for a short while till I make a final concluded post , showing how the old testament REALLY depicts the messiah ,and why such depiction is against the holy Quran itself.
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