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Sallam to all,

@Koray

The problem is brother osama refuses to give up the idea Shias worship Allah (SWT) alone and likes to instead associate other sects with twelver Shias, twelver Shias ridicule other sects that worship the Imams (as), they have the same view brother Osama has on them about tawheed. twelver Shias which makes up the majority of Shias worship Allah (SWT) alone with no partners. I have pasted part of my document in the forum that shows from Quran and Muhammad (saww) intercession is allowed, asking in the name of Imams (as) and the prophet (saww).

After the issue of tawheed is confirmed, I will repaste the Quran and hadith quotes from sunni books that exposes Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha. The belief and there innovations, Quran 5:6 as an example concerning wudu, an innovation by Uthman.




@Osama

My comment proves your lies about Shia, you just want to mix other sects beliefs with Shia beliefs. Shias say ya Ali (as) as the prophet (saww) said ya Ali (as) whenever he wanted something done, its sunna. We don't say ya Ali (as) when we make duas, we ask Allah (SWT) alone. If Shias were idol worshippers all Sunni shiekhs would focus on that issue as then Shias can't say nothing as they go directly against the Quran like sunnis (5:6 is an example).

"Furthermore, even if everything you say about the creations is true, then this doesn't have any theological implications today.  The Holy Quran is still the Holy Quran, and the Sunna still remains the Sunna."

You don't follow the sunna of the prophet (saww), you follow Umar's innovations, you follow the sunna of Umar.





@Tanveer

1- Didn't you say use Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari, well I proved Umar was kafir by using Sahih Bukhari. If you don't accept its Sahih then call it Bukhari and Muslim, again the pressure is on your sect, if you wan't to call them Sahih you have to accept whats inside.

2- The Shia videos are a shia talking about Bukhari and Muslim, giving facts about them, and the other video is a shia commentating while one of your Sunni scholars speaks, the one in brother Osama's video.

3- 'as' mean aley sallam, PBUH. You're not allowed to say that except for prophets (as), Adnan Aroor said this, he's one of your scholars and generally ask any other scholar they will say the same, simple internet check will do! I said not a Sunni, if you ain't Muslim you are kafir, I didn't say you will be kafir, I said you won't be following your school of thought.

4- you do know what 'Sahih' means yes? As long as its called Sahih Bukhari instead of Bukhari, you have to accept Umar is kafir. As Bukhari collected hadiths and called them all authentic and then put it in Sahih Bukhari, same with Muslim, aslong as you agree with them then you have to accept them, a simple thing to say is, Bukhari was wrong and hence be hated by Sunni scholars.

5- I give hadiths, most of what I put is your hadiths, don't call your own hadiths crap.



@laillahilAllah

Ali (as) does not need a dua saying may Allah be pleased with him, he is free from sins as Quran says in 33:33 for the Ahlul-Bayt (as)

Sallam

you say that to em after you repeatedly posted that video?

Wallahi your points aren't a threat, I have given you hadiths, I answered all your points at the beggining, I will paste my reply, lukcy for me I save my comments on different document just incase! I proved Abu Bakr was kafir and so was Umar, this is for the rest to know. Its funny that you only mentioned the guns sounds, why don't you refer to your top scholars in your Shia kafir video shaming themselves. Here's my replies to your misconceptions:

Sallam Tanveer,

I am not sure what you mean by "leaving behind the ahlul bayt". The hadiths I use are from Sahih Muslim and Bukhari but I complete the image with the rest of their books, however I could prove their sect false even by using Sahih Muslim and Bukhari, I could show them the insults in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim on the prophets (as) and Allah (SWT). The fact that they take Muslim and Bukhari as 'sahih' like the Quran is ridiculous. Bukhari's grandfather was even a zoastrian at the time of the prophet (saww) so you can see where they get their sources from while we get our sources from the pure Ahlul-Bayt (as).



Now my response to brother Osama, first sallam.

1- why don't you watch the video of Muslims getting trampled in hajj? Its a religious act, a very small minority die from this religous just as a very small minority die during umrah.

3- You comment about Christians is in favour of my case, they say we worship Muhammad (saww). "Even after explaining to them 100 times that we do not worship any Prophet, they still don't get it." I can say the same to you, it doesn't matter how many times I prove to you using the Quran and your hadiths, you "still don't get it."

You quote:

"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"

Did I say Allah (SWT) won't listen to you unless you ask him in the name of Muhammad (saww) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Let me re-paste what I said:

They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

Quran 12:97-98



And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

Quran 4:64



Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.


4- I repeat again, worship Allah (SWT) with no partners!!! I have our rituals before so I ask you, do you hate the prophet (saww) as he used to do cupping from his head and back. I will just re-paste a hadith from one of my previous comment, I recommend anyone following this thread to refer back to the original comment in page 4, the last comment, as it contains more hadiths about this:

When the news reached Owais al-Qarni (ra) in Yemen that two teeth of the prophet (saww) were broken in the battle of Uhud, he extracted all his teeth. When the prophet (saww) got the news in Medina that Owais had struck down all his teeth, he exclaimed, "Indeed Owais is our devoted friend".

Seerate Halbia, Volume 2, Page 295


Know that you have insulted the prophet (saww) by your words, the prophet (saww) is the best of creation, you are not.

5- Yes I agree with you when you say Christians don't represent Iysa (as), the son of Mariam (as) just as Abu Bakr, Umar and Saddam don't represent Muhammad (saww).

6- Yes I know Hell is too cold a place for me as I am worse than Pharaoh, Umar and Aisha. I am Shia, not Alawi, even Alawis don't worship Ali (as), only some of them do just as some Wahhabis believe Allah (SWT) has a body as proved by Bukhari and Muslim as their books are 'sahih'.

7- If you love the Ahlul-Bayt (as) so much then why do you condemn them for turning on tyrants? I assume you don't believe the wives of the prophet (saww) are part of the Ahlul-Bayt (as), if you do please let me know.

8- "DECLARING THAT PRAYING TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY DIRECTLY IS POINTLESS AND WON'T BE HEARD" You lie about what I say and Allah (SWT) is witness, I said "Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them." Fear Allah (SWT) and repent, I already forgive you.

9- We will "Keep cutting yourself with knives" as the prophet (saww) did.

10- If I was worshipping the Ahlul-bayt (as), then yes Hell will be my abode but alhamdulillah I pray 5 times a day to Allah (SWT) and sebeh glorlyfying Him.

11- "Imam Hussein, peace be upon him, did not sacrifice himself to restore the original Islam." By Allah (SWT) he did. Allah (SWT) did perfect our religion but then Umar change it, I will provide a snippit of Umar's innovation as first I wan't to get Abu Bakr out the way.

12- "And no one from his supposed army lifted a finger to even care." Have you not heard about his 72 companions?

13- "What Imam Hussein went out to fight was the corruption that was caused by Muawiyah and his and his son, Yazid.  I don't dispute that, and I said countless times before that I am with Ali and Hussein against Muawiyah and Yazid anyday any time."

"Ali, as a ruler, failed dismally in his rule and turned the Muslims on each others in one civil war after another during his rule.  Ali wasn't fit to be a ruler in my oppinion, and till this day we suffer because of his politcal rule."

"Muawiyah is still a Muslim.  No one can call him a kaafir."

"I just want you to see these indisputable facts.  While I am with Ali with all my heart, but quite honestly, I JUST WISH HE NEVER RULED!"

14- Again I will say, Shias don't worship Ali (as) or the rest of the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Go on wiki and search twelvers.

to Adnan:

Sallam

It was reported from ‘Awf ibn Maalik who said: the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The Jews were divided into seventy-one sects, one of which is in Paradise and seventy are in the Fire. The Christians were divided into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which are in the Fire and one is in Paradise. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, my Ummah will be divided into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two will be in the Fire.” It was said, O Messenger of Allah, who are they? He said, “Al-Jamaa’ah.”

Sunan Ibn Maajah, Number 3982



Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam.

Quran 3:19



If not a single Jew or Christian is on the right path (Islam) then how are the majority of Muslims on the right path considering that Islam was split into even more sects as compared to Jews and Christians. Therefore one should not believe they are following the true path just because they were raised up following the religion of the majority. Every Muslim must search truth and not depend on the faith they were raised up with as this is what the enemies of Allah (SWT) did:

Indeed they found their fathers astray. So they hastened [to follow] in their footsteps.

Quran 37:69-70



You quote:

“And hold fast, altogether, by the rope Which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves.” [Al-Qur’an 3:103]


The rope Which Allah (stretches out for you) is the Ahlul-Bayt (as) as well as the Quran proved by this hadith:

The messenger of Allah (saww) said: "I am leaving for you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to both of them you shall not go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that These two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 662-663
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 328
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 109
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 110
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 148
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 553
Sunan, by Daarami, Volume 2, Page 432
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 3, Page 14
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 3, Page 17
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 3, Page 26
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 3, Page 59
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 366
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 370-372
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 182
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 189
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 350
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 366
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 5, Page 419
Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 585, Number 990
Al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, Page 21
Al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, Page 30
Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 1, Page 230
Al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, Volume 3, Page 62-63
Al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, Volume 3, Page 137
Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Chapter al-Iti'sam bi Habl Allah, Volume 1, Page 44
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (complete version), Volume 4, Page 113
Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, by Ibn Sa'd, Volume 2, Page 194
Al-Jami' al-Saghir, by al-Suyuti, Volume 1, Page 353
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, Volume 9, Page 163
Al-Fateh al-Kabir, by al-Binhani, Volume 1, Page 451
Usdul Ghabah fi Ma'rifat al-Sahaba, by Ibn al-Athir, Volume 2, Page 12


You also quote:

“Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger” [Al-Qur’an 4:59]

The messenger of Allah said to Ali: “You are in the same position with relation to me as Aaron-(Harun) was in relation to Moses but with (this explicit difference) that there is no prophet after me, and that you are the caliph of every believer after me.”

Al-Sunnah, by Ibn Abi A’asim Al-Shaibani, Page 560, Number 1188


The prophet said: "Whoever I am his master, Ali is his master. O God! Love those who love him and be hostile to those who are hostile to him?"

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 2, Page 298
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 63
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 12
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 43



The prophet (saww) had appointed his cousin, Ali, as the caliph over the Muslims after him and had ordered his companions and his wives to congratulate him for this leadership over the believers in Ghadir Khum. Abu Bakr was among the first people to say: "Congratulations, Congratulations to you, O son of Abu Talib. Today you became the master of every believing man and woman".

Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 281
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, Volume 12, Page 49-50
Mishkat al-Masabih, by al-Khateeb al-Tabrizi, Page 557
Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, Volume 1, Part 3, Page 144
Kitabul Wilayah, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari
Al-Musannaf, by Ibn Abi Shaybah
Al-Musnad, by Abu Ya'ala
Hadith al-Wilayah, by Ahmad Ibn 'Uqdah
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 29 from Abu Huraira
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 596 from Abu Huraira



You quote:

“As for those who divide Their religion and break up Into sects, you have no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.” [Al-Qur’an 6:159]

Shia is the original Islam, Imam Hussein (as) before he sacrificed himself said he wanted to bring back the religion his grandfather preached. It was the Sunnis who deviated following the innovations of Umar and co. I will prove this soon from your sources but I first want brother Osama's reply before I move on.


Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq (as) was the teacher of Nuʿmān ibn Thābit (Abu Hanifa), founder of Hanafi school of thought and taught Malik ibn Anas, founder of the Maliki school of thought who in turn taught Al-Shafi who taught Ahmad ibn Hanbal so basically all Sunni school of fiqhs were founded by Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq (as), the sixth Shia Imam, so rather than learning from his students, Shias learn from him, the teacher. Sahih Bukhari has not a single narration from Ja'far Al-Sadiq (as) while it narrates from Abu Hanifa while Shia books narrate a majority from the Ahlul-Bayt (as). It's the Shais who follow the Sunnah of the prophte (saww).

Shias don't worship graves, we pray towards the kibla, we say three times in our third and fourth rukats; Subhanallah Wal-Hamdulillah  Wa La Ilaha Illa Allah Wa Allahu Akbar. We also say in the second and last rakats after sujood; Ash-hadu Alla Ilaha Illa Allah Wahdaho La Shareeka Laho Wa Ash-Hadu Anna Muhammadan ‘Abdoho wa Rasooloh, we also asy the adhan and iqama so how can we be associating?

You said: "I follow the Islam that Umar, Abubakr, Aisha followed."

Then you don't follow Islam, you follow their innovations, again I will show you them from your books just waiting on brother Osama to reply. I will also expose their behaviours that you would have to disassociate yourself from them if you fear Allah (SWT). You do know Umar would go every Saturday to learn from the Jews.

Please don't reply untill you have an answer for every hadith I have posted from your books and make dua asking Allah (SWT) to guide you and not let you be of those who hastened to follow in the footsteps of there forefathers while they were astray.


I will reply brother Osama later after boxing training as I just saw now,

sorry

4-5 hours max

Sallam

before I start I will like to thank you for not banning me and for replying only on the blog, I am only using Sunni hadiths here and won't curse the main symbols you love like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha so no resentment is felt and only logic is applied, though I do hate their deeds, very much.

Why don't you just admit it, you hate the Ahlul-Bayt (as). You are the type of person who would have followed Aisha in the war with Ali (as) which cost the lives of 30000 Muslims. I am going to give brief replies, but am gonna give put a large part to refute you. However first you have not replied to these following points that I proved with your hadiths:

1- Muhammad (saww) interceded both during and after his martyrdom.
2- Yacoub (as) interceded for his sons, why didn't he tell them to ask yourselves, they didn't, they just went straight to him as they knew their duas are pretty much useless after their crimes.
3- That the prophet (saww) made Ali (as) leader, your books not ours, refer to my previous post about Ali (as) where Abu Bakr said to Ali (as) after the deceleration at Ghadeer, "Congratulations, Congratulations to you, O son of Abu Talib. Today you became the master of every believing man and woman".
4- The prophet (saww) said "I am in the state of war with those who will fight you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you" to Ali, al-Hassan, al-Hussein, and Fatimah (as). So from this alone Muhammad (saww) is at war with Abu Bakr, Aisha, Muawiya and Yazeed.
5- Read the rest about Ali (as), I expect you to refute each hadith individually, something you missed out as its from your books, some 'sahih' so definitely happened.

To your comment now:

1- We glorify the Ahlul-Bayt (as) because the prophet (saww) did, if you dare say Aisha was part of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) then I will paste you the part of my document that refutes you using Quran and your two 'sahih' books.
2- We worship their graves? Have you been there, have you seen a Shia pray and "bow" towards them instead of the kibla. Shias crawl in a show of humility, we will never forget the sacrifice Imam Hussein (as) the prophet (saww) would cry for. We don't associate them with Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, you associating Shias with deviant groups like Alawites.
3- Since you have insulted the practices of the prophet (saww) and that of lady Zainab (as) I will paste the part of the document that once read, you must repent if you know what's best for you:

Why do Shias mourn Imam Hussein (as) annually?


Abd al-Rahman b. Yazid said: When al-Ash'ath b. Qais entered the house of 'Abdullah he was having his breakfast. He ('Abdullah b. Umar) said: Abd Muhammad (al-Asha'th), come near to the breakfast. Thereupon he said: Is not today the day of 'Ashura? He ('Abd al-Rahman) said: Do you know what the day of 'Ashura is? He said: What is it? He said: It is a day on which the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to observe fast before the (fasting) in the month of Ramadan (became) obligatory. But when it became obligatory the (fasting of 'Ashura) was abandoned (as compulsory). Abu Kuraib said: He (the Holy Prophet) abandoned it.

Sahih Muslim, Book 6, Number 2510-2513


*Here we see Muhammad (saww) abandoned celebrating Ashura by abandoning the fast of Ashura, let’s see why:

Ummul Fadhl the daughter of al-Harith said that she entered on the Messenger of Allah (saww) and she said: “Oh! Messenger of Allah, I saw a strange dream last night. He said: And what is it? She said: It was difficult. He said: And what is it? She said: I saw, as if, a piece of your body was severed and was put in my lap! The Messenger of Allah (saww) said: You saw well - Fatima will give birth, God willing, a boy so he will be in your lap. Then Fatima gave birth to al-Hussein and he was in my lap - just as the Messenger of Allah (saww) said. So I entered one day on the Messenger of Allah (saww) and put him in his lap, but I noticed that the eyes of the Messenger of Allah (saww) pouring tears! So I said: Oh! Prophet of Allah, my parents are your ransom, what is with you? He said: Gabriel came to me and informed me that my nation (ummah) will kill this son of mine.”

Al-Mustadrak al-Sahih, al-Hafidh al-Hakim al-Nisapouri, Volume 3, Page 176
Dalael al-Nubouwa, al-Hafidh al-Bayhaqi under the subject of al-Hussain
Cf. Ibn al-A'tham 4, (Hyderabad, 1971), Page 211-212



Umm Salama said: "al-Hussain entered on the Prophet (saww), while I was sitting at the door, so I saw in the hand of the Prophet (saww) something he turned over while (Hussain) sleeping on his stomach. I said: Oh messenger of Allah, I looked and saw you turning something over in your hand when the kid was sleeping on your stomach and your tears were pouring? He said: Gabriel came to me with the sand upon which he (Hussain) will be killed. And he informed me that my nation (ummah) will kill him."

Al-Musannaf, al-Hafidh abu Bakr bin abi Shaibah, Volume 12
Al-Musnad, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 60-61
Al-Taba'qat al-Kubra, Ibn Saad
Al-Moejam al-Kabeer, al-Hafidh al-Tabarani (on subject of al-Hussain)
A'lam al-Nubuwwah, al-Mawardi al-Shafi
Kanz al-Ummal, al-Muttaqi al-Hindi



Ahmed and Ibn al-Dhahhak narrated from Ali: “I entered on the prophet (saww) and his eyes were flooded, I said: Oh! Prophet of Allah, anyone made you angry? Why are your eyes flooded? He said: Gabriel just left me telling me that al-Hussain will be killed by the river Euphrates. He (the Prophet) said: So he (Gabriel) said: Do you want me to let you smell his dirt (from his burial pot)? I said: Yes! He reached with his hand and grabbed a handful of dirt and gave it to me. So I could not help it and my eyes were flooded.”

Thakhaer al-Uqba, Muhibbuldeen al-Tabari, Page 148



Ibn Saad, Ali bin Muhammad, Yahya bin Zakariya, a man heard it from 'Amir al-Sha'bi say: “When Ali passed by Karbala in his march to Siffien and lined up with Nainawa - a village on the Euphrates - he stopped and called one of them men: Tell aba 'Abdullah (al-Hussain) what this land is called? He said: Karbala. Then he cried until the earth was wet from his tears. He then said: I entered on the messenger of Allah (saww) and he was crying. So I said: What makes you cry? He said: Gabriel was with me, just now, and informed me: that my son al-Hussain will be killed at the banks of Furat in a location called Karbala. Then Gabriel grabbed a handful of dirt and let me smell it. So I could not help it, my eyes overflowed.”

Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Ibn Saad
Al-Musannaf, Ibn Abi Shaibeh, Volume 12
Al-Moejam al-Kabeer, al-Tabarani, Volume 1
Tareekh al-Shamm, Ibn 'Asakir


*Here we see that Muhammad (saww) was the first one to mourn Hussein (as), he was the one who started the majlis where people would cry for Hussein (as), the Shia didn't innovate this practice, it was the Sunnah of Muhammad (saww). We also find here the reason why out of all the materials of earth to prostrate on, Shias choose the "dirt" of Karbala over leafs, pebbles and sand which is permissible to prostrate on and the woven cloth which is not permissible to prostrate on as Muhammad (saww) only prostrated on earth and the "dirt" of Karbala was dearest to Muhammad (saww) out of all the dirt, i.e. the best part of earth to prostrate on is the earth of Karbala.

Now to the practices of mourning by the Shia during Ashura (10th Muharram), we will jump in to the most controversial practice in the eyes of the non-Shias; tatbir (bloodletting) which was first practiced by lady Zaynab (as). This is when one makes a cut just over his forehead and lets their blood spill. First reaction people say this is self-inflicting harm, to an extent this is true as a very small minority do die and do get disabilities from this, a very small minority. To respond to this, when people go to Hajj does not a very small minority die? Does not a very small minority become disabled? The answer is yes this in fact happens but Muslims will never abandon Hajj now as it’s a religious practice, the same case applies here, for the Shia, tatbir is a religious practice so it will never be abandoned.

Now people can still say no, cutting oneself is haram as it causes self-harm, in fact the prophet (saww) would do cupping so it’s not injuring oneself. Cupping is the releasing of blood from the forehead, the same place where blood is released during tatbir. Cupping is used to remove 'dirty' blood, blood that the body does not want which collects in the head:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Buhaina: Allah's Apostle was cupped on the middle of his head at Lahl Jamal on his way to Mecca while he was in a state of Ihram. Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Allah's Apostle was cupped on his head.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 601
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 595
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 598-600



Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet was cupped while he was fasting.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 597


*We see here that the prophet (saww) even did cupping while fasting and while in the state of Ihram, this shows that tatbir is a pure act, not a hated act but a highly recommended act, the prophet's favorite medicine was cupping. Let’s now see examples of self-beating to show distress by the prophets (as):

Hadhrath Adam (as) was so distressed that he smashed his hands onto his knees and the skin from his hands caused gashes from which bone could be seen.

Ma'arij al Nubuwwa, Chapter 1, Page 248



"When life was breathed into the spirit of Adam (as) he hit his hand on his head and cried. He made this tradition of beating one's head with one's hand and crying in times of trouble for his descendants."

Mudharij al Nubuwwa, Page 221



"On one occasion Gabriel approached Prophet Yusuf (as) in Zundh and conveyed the news that his father had become blind on account of his weeping for him. Yusuf (as) hit his hand on his head and said 'O I wish my mother did not give birth to me, so that I would have not become the cause of such sadness to my father'".

Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 5, Page 158


*Now we will see this act being done by the noblest of prophets (saww):

"Rasulullah (saww) was in a state where he was hitting his chest."

Sahih al Bukhari, Volume 2, Page 50
Sunan al Nasa’i, Volume 3, Page 305
Adhan al Mufreed, Page 426
Sahih Muslim, Volume 1, Page 291
Musnad Abu Awana, Volume 2, Page 292


Ibn Hajr Asqalani in the commentary of this tradition in Fathul Bari, Volume 3, Page 90 writes: "This Hadith demonstrates that it is permissible to bang your hand at a moment of distress".



Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib: That Allah's Apostle came to him and Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle at their house at night and said, "Won't you pray?" 'Ali replied, "O Allah's Apostle! Our souls are in the Hands of Allah and when he wants us to get up, He makes us get up." When 'Ali said that to him, Allah's Apostle left without saying anything to him. While the Prophet was leaving, 'Ali heard him striking his thigh (with his hand) and saying, "But man is quarrelsome more than anything else.” (18.54)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 446


*Now let’s see the companions of Muhammad (saww) do the same:

When Ayesha was defeated and Ali (as) saw the corpses on the ground he began to beat his thighs.

Tauhfa Ithna Ashari, Page 523



"When the situation of the Prophet worsened, Bilal emerged beating his head and loudly wailing, 'I wish my mother had not given birth to me, and that if she had I wish that I had died before this day'"

Mudharij al Nubuwwa, Volume 2, Page 441


*Now let’s see the wives of the prophet (saww) do the same:

I heard Ayesha saying "The Messenger of Allah died on my bosom during my turn, I did not wrong anyone in regard to him. It was because of my ignorance and youthfulness that the Messenger of Allah died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the women".

Al Tabari in History Volume 9 page 183
Bidayah wa al Nihayah, Volume 5, page 420


*Do you dare insult this act knowing your dear mother slapped her face, you know that part in the video you show someone beating his face from despair, either remove it or insult your mother. Let’s now see the daughter of the prophet (saww) do the same:

Sheikh Abdul Haq Mohaddis Hanafi Dehlavi recorded that: "Fatima Zahra (as) hearing the rumor of the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (s) at Uhud came out of her house running and beating her head".

Mudharij al Nubuwwa, Volume 2, Page 163


*Let’s see an example of self-beating in the Quran where Sara (as) struck her face when she was told that she would conceive a baby:

And his wife approached with a cry [of alarm] and struck her face and said, "[I am] a barren old woman!"

Quran 51:29


*Now let’s see the prophet (saww) approval of such acts:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ata ibn Abdullah al-Khurasani that Said ibn al-Musayyab said, "A Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allah (saww) beating his breast and tearing out his hair and saying, 'I am destroyed.' The Messenger of Allah (saww) said, 'Why is that?', and he said, 'I had intercourse with my wife while fasting in Ramadan.' The Messenger of Allah (saww) asked him, 'Are you able to free a slave?', and the man said, 'No.' Then he asked him, 'Are you able to give away a camel?', and the man replied, 'No.' He said, 'Sit down,' and someone brought a large basket of dates to the Messenger of Allah (saww) and he said to the man, 'Take this and give it away as Sadaqa.' The man said, 'There is no one more needy than me,' and (the Messenger of Allah (saww)), said, 'Eat them, and fast one day for the day when you had intercourse.'"

Malik's Muwatta, Book 18, Chapter 9, Number 29


*The action of the Bedouin was a result of spiritual pain he suffered as his fast was invalidated. He was beating his chest and tearing his hair in presence of Holy Prophet (saww) who didn’t object to his actions which shows he approved of his actions. The most explicit proof of self-inflicted injury comes from Owais al-Qarni (ra) the great Muslim Sahaba, praised by both Shia and Sunni erudite. He had an immense love for the holy prophet (saww):

When the news reached Owais al-Qarni (ra) in Yemen that two teeth of the prophet (saww) were broken in the battle of Uhud, he extracted all his teeth. When the prophet (saww) got the news in Medina that Owais had struck down all his teeth, he exclaimed, "Indeed Owais is our devoted friend".

Seerate Halbia, Volume 2, Page 295



"Owais al-Qarni (ra) said to Umar Khattab (ra): 'If you were true in friendship than why on the day when the holy teeth of the Prophet (saww) were broken didn't you break your teeth in companionship? Because, it is a condition of companionship.' Then he showed his teeth all of which were broken and said 'I broke all of my teeth without seeing you (O Prophet) and in the state of Ghabah in your companionship. I had broken one tooth but couldn't get satisfaction so kept on breaking them one by one until I had broken them all '".

Tadhkhirathul Awliya, by Shiekh Farid al Din Attar, Page 17-18


Had the breaking of teeth by Owais al-Qarni (ra) been in opposition to Shariah, Umar would certainly have pointed it out at the time or at least commented and answered the accusation by Owais al-Qarni (ra) of his less than perfect companionship. The silence of Umar proves that he didn't deem the act of breaking one's teeth as done by Owais al-Qarni (ra) as opposed to Shariah but considered it an act of sincerity and also a proof of friendship.

We should point out that breaking one's teeth is a thousand times more painful than the beating of one's chest for a few hours. It is more extreme than chest beating with chains or knives (Zanjeer) because those who have suffered from tooth ache will understand the immense pain that circulates in the mouth and head. Compare the removal of a tooth to the forced removal of a full set of teeth using a stone without the benefit of modern day anesthetics and instruments. The pain must have been unbearable. This was clearly an act of great courage.

This shows that mourning the death of Hussein (as) is Sunnah and taking part in mourning practices that helps one to remember the pain of Imam Hussein (as) is Sunnah. After reading this a previously ignorant non-Shia should never criticise this act that Shias perform, of course the blame of this is down to the scholars and leaders of the Muslims who hide this knowledge from the people they are supposed to lead to heaven, the people they are rather deviating. The fact is there are even Shias and Shia leaders who oppose this out of shame in front of non-Shias and their fear to take part of such acts and only prefer to beat their chest lightly. I say non-Shia as this is also for Christians who oppose this practice:

"Howl, Heshbon, for Ai is despoiled. Cry aloud you villages round Rabbath Ammon, put on sack cloth and beat your breast and score your body with gashes"

Jeremiah 49:3


*Other examples include Isaiah 22:12, Isaiah 32:11, Luke 23:48, Ezekiel 27:31, Jeremiah 7:29 and more.




Now concerning wives of the prophet (saww), why did Lut (as) and Nuh (as) marry their wives?

Ali (as) did not marry his daughter to the person who killed her mother, what logic is this. You Sunnis love to jump on this without using your logic, I can prove this in detail by many ways and let me know if you wan't me too, but use your logic for now.

This is enough for now, but since you bought up Abu Bakr, I will give you a snippit of my document about Abu Bakr just using the Quran:

If you do not aid the Prophet - Allah has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out [of Makkah] as one of two, when they were in the cave and he said to his companion, "Do not grieve; indeed Allah is with us." And Allah sent down His peace upon him and supported him with angels you did not see and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the word of Allah - that is the highest. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.

Quran 9:40


*First we can see who has greater trust in Allah (SWT) and his messenger (saww), Abu Bakr would “grieve” while with the prophet (saww) and Ali (as) would sleep in his bed waiting for his killers. Also notice what Allah (SWT) did? He sent down His peace upon "him" not upon them. The Arabic word used is singular. Why did Allah (SWT) not send down peace upon the second of the two, Abu Bakr? Let us see who Allah (SWT) sends his peace to:

Then Allah sent down His peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers and sent down soldiers angels whom you did not see and punished those who disbelieved. And that is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Quran 9:26



When those who disbelieved had put into their hearts chauvinism - the chauvinism of the time of ignorance. But Allah sent down His peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers and imposed upon them the word of righteousness, and they were more deserving of it and worthy of it. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

Quran 48:26





I expect you to refute each Hadith in your book and each verse in the Quran and please have a go in refuting the videos, refute how your great leader Adnan Aroor lied about the history of the prophet (saww). I would like to for next time justify Shia acts like the way we do wudu, the way we pray and so on. However, if you would like me to go straight into Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha bashing or showing who are the Ahlul-Bayt (as), please let me know, you will be like a Christian or a Jew, all surprised in what's in their own books, the Bible and the Talmud. Trust me on this, the second you read it you will know your scholars are liars and deniers of the truth.

I do request you to ask Allah (SWT) for guidance to the truth and just pretend if you have to, that you don't belong to the sect of the 73 that's on the right path as you and I both know now Shia Islam is the fastest growing sect within Islam as its truth.

I first want brother Osama to reply about Ali (as) and then I will expose Aisha's behaviour from Sunni books.

hahaha Osama is a Wahhabi hahaha, you must have supported all the rape of Muslims they did, all the enslaving of children and women they did, all the looting they did, ofcourse you do. You wished the Egyptian king allowed the Wahhabis to demolish the prophet's grave, you are happy they changed the house the prophet (saww) shared with Khadija (as) to public toilets. The founder who is ironically resting on the dome of the prophet (saww) was even opposed by his father and brother who wrote a book to refute him, the guy was a terrorist nutjob. Here's a video describing what the Wahhabis did by a Wahhabi historian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjoFvw6Kwr0&list=UUBgM-sKkB4ySrdiCsk0ikUA&index=405
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2U9y33czEw&list=UU7F0zDtfuBeFGheRkSiBwDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUlOKeyPwUo&list=UUyRjkP_7wFJ3aJr7CEDQQsw&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSlMyg7FzgI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x9MNF298vY


1- I have pasted the part about intercession with the prophet (saww) and the Ahlul-Bayt (as), but you did as all Sunnis do, ignored it and moved on. I will paste it here and extra:

Why do Shias ask Allah (SWT) in the name of Imams (as) and Muhammad (saww) instead of asking directly from Allah (SWT)?


They said, "O our father, ask for us forgiveness of our sins; indeed, we have been sinners." He said, "I will ask forgiveness for you from my Lord. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

Quran 12:97-98



Narrated By Anas: I heard the Prophet saying, "On the Day of Resurrection I will intercede and say, "O my Lord! Admit into Paradise (even) those who have faith equal to a mustard seed in their hearts." Such people will enter Paradise, and then I will say, 'O (Allah) admit into Paradise (even) those who have the least amount of faith in their hearts." Anas then said: As if I were just now looking at the fingers of Allah's Apostle.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 600


*Duas are more likely to be accepted by Allah (SWT) from prophets (as) and Imams (as). Muslims can ask directly and they can ask through others more pious than them. Don’t Muslims ask pious Muslims to do this? Don’t Muslims ask those who fast to make dua for them? This is the same and the reason why Muslims do this is because they know the dua of those who fast or are more pious are more likely to be accepted. Shias do the same but ask the most pious of Muslims, the prophets (as) and the Imams (as). The misconception is that Shias make dua to the Imams (as) instead of Allah (SWT), Adhubillah, this is not the case but it’s understandable as people often judge by what they see while ignorant. Like seeing Shias praying on clay tablets, seems like they’re praying to it but rather they are praying on it.

And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

Quran 4:64


Al-`Utbi said: ‘as I was sitting by the grave of the Prophet, a Bedouin Arab came and said: "Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah! I have heard Allah saying: And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful. (Quran 4:64).

“So I have come to you asking forgiveness for my sin, seeking your intercession with my Lord." Then he began to recite poetry:

O best of those, whose bones are buried in the deep earth,
And from whose fragrance the depth,
And the height have become sweet,
May I be the ransom for a grave which thou inhabit,
And in which are found purity bounty and munificence,
 
“Then he left, and I slept and saw the Prophet (saww) in my sleep. He said to me: “O `Utbi, run after the Bedouin and give him glad tidings that Allah has forgiven him.”

Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Volume 1, Page 532
 

*Notice here that although the prophet (saww) was apparently dead, he did intercede on behalf of the Bedouin and asked Allah the Most Exalted to forgive all of his sins.
 
Ibn Hanbal narrates: “a blind person came to the Prophet (saww) and said: 'Pray to Allah that He bestows me with sight'. The Prophet (saww) replied: ‘If you desire, I’ll not pray, as being blind may be better for your afterlife, or I’ll pray’
 
“The man then chose to be relieved of blindness and the Messenger told him: 'Perform ablution (i.e. Wudu), pray two rak'at and then supplicate to Allah in this way: 'O God! Surely my appeal is to You and I turn towards You through the Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy: O Muhammad, surely I turn towards God through you, that He uncover my sight. O God, make him my intercessor.’ The man did what the Messenger told him and his sight was restored.”

Musnad Ahmed, Volume 4, Page 138


*Notice here that the prophet (saww) ordered the blind man to turn towards Allah the Most Exalted through him, for he ordered him to say: “O Muhammad”. Additionally, although the prophet (saww) was not with him at the time he recited the Dua, Allah the Most Exalted did cure him and restored his eyesight. Furthermore, there is no difference in asking the prophet (saww) to intercede on our behalf during his lifetime or after his martyrdom as proved in the Al-`Utbi’s narration, for he is alive and is provided sustenance:

And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision,

Quran 3:169


*Needless to say, making duas to Allah (SWT) through the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is also permissible, for Imam Ali (as) is nothing but an extension of the prophet’s personality as stated in the holy Quran:

Then whoever argues with you about it after [this] knowledge has come to you - say, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]."

Quran 3:61
 

*The same is the case for Imam Hussain (as), as the prophet (saww) said: “Hussain is from me and I am from Hussein”. There are in fact numerous narrations that state the same about each and every member of the Ahlul-Bayt (as).



Why do Shias build masjids on the graves of the Imams?


And thus did We make (men) to get knowledge of them that they might know that Allah's promise is true and that as for the hour there is no doubt about it. When they disputed among themselves about their affair and said: Erect an edifice over them-- their Lord best knows them. Those who prevailed in their affair said: We will certainly raise a masjid over them.

Quran 18:21


*After Allah (SWT) reveals this in the Quran He does not condemn it or say what they did was wrong and the fact that he included it in the Quran means that this is acceptable.



2- You did not reply to my comment on Ali (as), answer them please.

3- The part of the comment about prostrating on clay (earth) was not for you, it was from him, he already knew intercession was allowed, you should have just ignored it and went back to see my previous comments on page 3.

4- Since you like to use videos of certain Shia scholars, let's drop down to you level and do the same, because its fun:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izz_1ICO3N0&list=UU2_1wjpCP53EHRWkP_zrHWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL9KlyNV4YU&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYrZXgOjd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP8NVdVw-v0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOrDiO9eCPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGyMRoUjQ84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHjy16huIeY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj65hMFYk3U&list=UUyRjkP_7wFJ3aJr7CEDQQsw&index=50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRjxedKkUZ0&list=UUyRjkP_7wFJ3aJr7CEDQQsw&index=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ted-NxBbhng&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g&index=90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYV1pAnXpsE&list=UU2_1wjpCP53EHRWkP_zrHWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUJF7B4Caw&list=UU2_1wjpCP53EHRWkP_zrHWQ&index=135
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKAcKrT0neU&list=UU2_1wjpCP53EHRWkP_zrHWQ&index=310
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51KSU_ypqE&list=UUeIKA_IXsY1c9PIelnWBG9Q&index=62
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWQBanqj-C8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POWuiDVvJxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tZFRd5XN4s&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFBHSKc_x40&list=UUBgM-sKkB4ySrdiCsk0ikUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvPM62sKXoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp4_7nw1AEs



You deny Shia Islam is not the fastest growing sect within Islam, let's take example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moxc14JzchQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yblysi_d5SQ&list=UUyRjkP_7wFJ3aJr7CEDQQsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSQ8ym37zzs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIbqCPOwCaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHmmZxdFi2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWNkSKsRfEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlqOGlkF_N0


To my other brother, please also watch and recite sahada to be complete Muslim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEvdve3AF3A


Sallam

To brother Osama,

In the defence of Ali (as), waliyillah

Al-Majlisi narrated from Al-Sadooq that Ali bin Hathram said: “I attended a council with Ahmed bin Hanbal. Ali bin Abi Talib was mentioned. He said: A Sunni could not be a true Sunni unless he held something negative regarding Ali in his heart.”

Bihar Al-Anwar, Volume 49, Page 261



Narrated By Abu Mijlaz: From Qais bin Ubad: 'Ali bin Abi Talib said, "I shall be the first man to kneel down before (Allah), the Beneficent to receive His judgment on the day of Resurrection (in my favor)." Qais bin Ubad also said, "The following Verse was revealed in their connection: "These two opponents believers and disbelievers) Dispute with each other About their Lord." (22.19) Qais said that they were those who fought on the day of Badr, namely, Hamza, 'Ali, 'Ubaida or Abu 'Ubaida bin Al-Harith, Shaiba bin Rabi'a, 'Utba and Al-Wahd bin Utba.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 304



Narrated By Salama: Ali happened to stay behind the Prophet and (did not join him) during the battle of Khaibar for he was having eye trouble. Then he said, "How could I remain behind Allah's Apostle?" So 'Ali set out following the Prophet, When it was the eve of the day in the morning of which Allah helped (the Muslims) to conquer it, Allah's Apostle said, "I will give the flag (to a man), or tomorrow a man whom Allah and His Apostle love will take the flag," or said, "A man who loves Allah and His Apostle; and Allah will grant victory under his leadership." Suddenly came 'Ali whom we did not expect. The people said, "This is 'Ali." Allah's Apostle gave him the flag and Allah granted victory under his leadership.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 52
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 520


*Note the stature of Ali (as), he will be the first to be judged by Allah (SWT), before all other caliphs, he was also given the flag of leadership rather than Abu Bakr and Umar and was given victory by Allah (SWT), it was he who washed and shrouded the holy body of the prophet (saww) and then buried him while the other caliphs left before the burial and washing. After the burial Ali (as) collected the Quran, not Abu Bakr, Abu Bakr and Umar were getting people to pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr:

After the death of the Holy Prophet (saww), Ali sat down in his house and said that he had sworn an oath that he would not put on his outdoor clothes or leave his house until he collects together the Quran.

Fat'hul Bari in Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Volume 10, Page 386
Al-Fihrist, by (Ibn) an-Nadim, Page 30
Al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, Volume 1, Page 165
Al-Masahif, by Ibn Abi Dawood, Page 10
Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 1, Page 67
Al-Sahibi, by Ibn Faris, Page 79
'Umdatul Qari, by al-Ayni, Volume 20, Page 16
Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Volume 15, Page 112-113
Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Chapter 9, Section 4, Page 197
Ma'rifat al-Qurra' al-kibar, by al-Dhahabi, Volume 1, Page 31



Allah's Apostle (saww) said: "There will be affliction after me, therefore whenever it happens follow Ali bin Abi Talib because he separates between the truth and falsehood"

Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 11, Page 914 Number 32964
Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 11, Page 621 Number 33016



"Whoever obeys 'Ali, obeys me, whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, whoever disobeys 'Ali, disobeys me, whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah"

Kanz al-Ummal, Number 32973



The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 655
Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 4, Page 329
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 12, Page289
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, Volume 10, Page 21-22
Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 1, Page 247



The Messenger of Allah (saww) said: "The Shia of Ali are the real victorious in the day of resurrection/rising"

Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, Page 62



It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Holy prophet (may peace be upon him) said: Whoso obeys me obeys God, and whoso disobeys me disobeys God. Whoso obeys the commander (appointed by me) obeys me, and whoso disobeys the commander disobeys me.

Sahih Muslim, Book 20, Number 4518



Zirr reported: 'Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle(may peace and blessings be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me.

Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 141



"We recognised the hypocrites by their hatred of Ali."

Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 639, Number 1086
Al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, Volume 3, Page 47
Al-Riyad al-Nadirah, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Volume 3, Page 242
Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Page 91



The Messenger of Allah said: "Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of
hypocrisy."

Sahih Muslim, Volume 1, Page 48
Sahih Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 643
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 142
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 84
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 95
Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 1, Page 128
Tarikh al-Kabir, by al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Part 1, Page 202
Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, Volume 4, Page 185
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 14, Page 462



The prophet said: "Whoever I am his master, Ali is his master. O God! Love those who love him and be hostile to those who are hostile to him?"

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 2, Page 298
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 63
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 12
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 43



Abu Huraira narrated: The Prophet (pbuh) looked towards Ali, al-Hassan, al-Hussein, and Fatimah (pbut), and said: "I am in the state of war with those who will fight you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you."

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 699
Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 1, Page 52
Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 2, Page 767, Number 1350
Al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Volume 3, Page 149
Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, Volume 9, Page 169
Al-Kabir, by Tabarani, Volume 3, Page 30
Al-Awsat Jamius Saghir, by al-Ibani, Volume 2, Page 17
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 7, Page 137
Sawai'q al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Chapter 11, Section 1, Page 221
Talkhis, by al-Dhahabi, Volume 3, Page 149
Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, Page 25
Riyadh al Nadhira Volume 2, Page 199, Chapter "Manaqib 'Ali"
Mishkat al-Masabih, by Khatib al-Tabrizi, English Version, Number 6145


*First note that “(pbut)” is mentioned in the hadith when referring to “Ali, al-Hassan, al-Hussein, and Fatimah (pbut)” so saying ‘pbuh’ to the members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) is said even in Sunni sources. Note the prophet (saww) said "I am in the state of war with those who will fight you”, whoever is at war with the prophet (saww) is at war with Allah (SWT), this includes Yazid (la) and his father Muawiya (la). Aisha had a massive grudge against Ali (as) that she even went to “war” against him in the battle of the camel which claimed the lives of up to thirty thousand believers, she continued to hate him till she died and even hated his sons, she had shot an arrow on the tomb of Hassan Ibn Ali (as) from close range. Even during the life of the prophet she hated Ali (as) that she would not mention his name:

Narrated Az-Zuhari: Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah told me that 'Aisha had said, "When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground. He was walking between Al-'Abbas and another man." 'Ubaidullah said, "When I informed Ibn 'Abbas of what 'Aisha had said, he asked me whether I knew who was the second man whom 'Aisha had not named. I replied in the negative. He said, 'He was 'Ali bin Abi Talib."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 47, Number 761
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 745
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727


*She even denied Ali (as) was the successor of the prophet as she wanted her father to be his successor:

Narrated Al-Aswad: It was mentioned in the presence of 'Aisha that the Prophet had appointed 'Ali as successor by will. Thereupon she said, "Who said so? I saw the Prophet, while I was supporting him against my chest. He asked for a tray, and then fell on one side and expired, and I did not feel it. So how (do the people say) he appointed 'Ali as his successor?"

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 736



The prophet (saww) had appointed his cousin, Ali, as the caliph over the Muslims after him and had ordered his companions and his wives to congratulate him for this leadership over the believers in Ghadir Khum. Abu Bakr was among the first people to say: "Congratulations, Congratulations to you, O son of Abu Talib. Today you became the master of every believing man and woman".

Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 281
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, Volume 12, Page 49-50
Mishkat al-Masabih, by al-Khateeb al-Tabrizi, Page 557
Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, Volume 1, Part 3, Page 144
Kitabul Wilayah, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari
Al-Musannaf, by Ibn Abi Shaybah
Al-Musnad, by Abu Ya'ala
Hadith al-Wilayah, by Ahmad Ibn 'Uqdah
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 29 from Abu Huraira
Tarikh, by Khateeb al-Baghdadi, Volume 8, Page 596 from Abu Huraira



"Ata Ibn Yasar, who says that a certain person came to Aisha and began to use impudent and abusive words for Ali while Ammar, was in her presence. She said to him: "As regards Ali, I have nothing to tell you, but as regards Ammar, I have heard the Messenger of Allah saying about him that if he has to make a choice between two things he will always choose that which is better from the point of view of good guidance and salvation."

Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Volume 6, Page 113



The Prophet of Allah (saww) beckoned to Ali to come close. He came close until he sat between him and Aisha, and he and the Prophet (saww) were clung together. She said to him "Can you not find a seat for this one except on my thigh?" Ibn Abil Hadid also reported that one day the Prophet of Allah (saww) was walking with Imam Ali and the conversation became prolonged. Aisha approached as she was walking from behind until she came between them saying: "What is it between you two that you are taking so long?" Upon this the Prophet of Allah (saww) became angry.

Sharh Ibn Abil Hadid, Volume 9, Page 195



Abu Bakr once came to the Prophet of Allah (saww), and sought permission to enter. Before he went in, he heard Aisha's voice raised, saying to the Prophet (saww): "By Allah! I surely know that Ali is dearer to you than me and my father", she repeated this twice or three times".

Musnad Ahmad Hanbal, Volume 4, Page 275


*When Aisha heard of the assassination of Imam Ali (as), she knelt and thanked Allah!!! See History of al-Tabari and the History of Ibn al-Athir on the events of the year 40 AH. She did the same when she heard his wife Fatima Al-Zahra (as) had died from the attack of Umar. She was also involved in intercepting the funeral procession of al-Hassan, the leader of the Heaven's youth, by ordering her followers to shoot arrows on his coffin and she had shot an arrow herself from close range and she also prevented his burial beside his grandfather (the Prophet (saww)), and she said: "Do not let anybody that I don't like enter my house."



Narrated Abu Huraira Ad-Dausi: Once the Prophet went out during the day. Neither did he talk to me nor I to him till he reached the market of Bani Qainuqa and then he sat in the compound of Fatima's house and asked about the small boy (his grandson Al-Hassan) but Fatima kept the boy in for a while. I thought she was either changing his clothes or giving the boy a bath. After a while the boy came out running and the Prophet embraced and kissed him and then said, 'O Allah! Love him, and love whoever loves him.'

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 333
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 57, Number 90-92
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 772


*Ali (as) also thought bad of Abu Bakr and Umar:

...They said: Yes. Then he adjured Abbas and 'All as he had adjured the other persons and asked: Do you both know this? They said: Yes. He said: When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) passed away, Abu Bakr said: "I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said: "We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest....

Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4349-4350


*Sunni scholars will reply to their own hadith by saying Ali (as) named three of his sons, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. This is true but we will ridicule this logic. First Abu Bakr is a kunya, a kind of nickname meaning the father of Bakr so this just shows the scholars who don’t speak Arabic don’t speak Arabic. For the case of Umar and Uthman, was there only one Umar and one Uthman? Their names were widely used, their names weren’t like Hussein which was given by Gabriel (as) to Muhammad (saww) to name the son of Ali (as) after Ali (as) wanted the prophet (saww) to name Hussein (as), a name never used before. One of the governors put in position by Ali (as) had the name Uthman so Ali (as) had loyal companions called Umar and Uthman. Furthermore, Ali (as) said he did not call one of his sons Uthman after the tyrant Uthman, however this is from a Shia hadith so you can choose to ignore it even though we have proved Uthman was a tyrant. Many Sunni hadiths are found in Shia books by the way, only the lies and fabrications are not included. In final, Ali (as) did not name his sons after the three tyrants, nor did the three tyrants name their sons Ali.

Ali (as) is not childish like Muawiya (la) who would curse Ali (as) and encourage people to ridicule anyone with the name Ali so much so people would name their sons Ali just to curse them. One should hate one’s deeds and not his appearance or name. For example, I hate Muhammad Ibn AbdulWahhab (la), the founder of the terrorist sect Wahhabism named after the founder. However that does not mean I will never name my son Muhammad, the name of the last prophet (saww), or AbdulWahhab, Al-Wahhab being one of the names of Allah (SWT). So if someone is your enemy, it doesn’t mean you hold a grudge against their name and curse anyone with that name like Muawiya (la). It can still be said; why did the prophet (saww) marry two of his daughter to Uthman, why did Lut (as) offer his daughter to the unbelievers?



The prophet (saww) said: "Allah have mercy on Ali. Allah make the right and truth with Ali in all situations".

Sunan al Tirmidhi, Volume 5, Page 297



The Prophet told Ali : "You shall inform my nation about the truth and what they dispute after me."

Kanzul Ummal, by Ali Muttaqi al Hind, Volume 2, Page 612 (Korab Dhieri, Multan)
Al Mustadrak al Hakim, Volume 3, Page 122





This was to prove the greatness of Ali (as), please reply to this and the intercessing Shias do, then I will move on to another topic being misconceptions of Shia and then after that I will move on to Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Aisha. I don't curse them in my work as I know you love them too much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWTJow1jM34

this is all one needs, no one can deny this unless the denier as no education is needed for this proof