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Why doesn't anyone respond?

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And to clear confusion. If your father is 55 now, and you're 13 now, this means that he was 42 years old when had intercourse, which also means that you were born 42 years later after he (your father) was born.

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After doing some research, I have found a new scientific error in the bible! It's regarding the creation of the universe. Here's it:

Creation according to the bible

The Creation of the World
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.


Source:https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=ESV

As you all can see that the according to the bible, earth was created before light and was formless. This is a serious error here.

The first light appeared approximately 240,000 to 300,000 years after the big bang. While earth began to form after 9.1 billion years after the big bang..

But how can we know that? Very simple.

The big bang is thought to have happened 13.7 billion years ago and the Earth is 4.6 billion years old so the earth formed 13.7 - 4.6 = 9.1 billion years after the big bang.

For example, if your father is 55 years and you're 12, this means that you were born after 43 years after he was born.

I hope brother Osama add this error to his collection.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: the 4th person of the trinity
« on: August 04, 2017, 11:27:56 AM »
Is there a sixinity?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Please Pray for my Mother
« on: August 04, 2017, 11:27:13 AM »
I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope your mom gets better. I'll certainly pray for your mother.

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30 years? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He's just like any other hilarious non-Muslim. He uses the same arguments. Nothing new.

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So...Brother Osama, what do you think?

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You have been doing well, brother Osama, but I think you should start doing topics about evolution, intelligent design, refuting atheists arguments, etc. You should start doing topics about proving God's existence, proving that evolution needs a creator. You know what I mean. I guess this would awesome, since that atheists always claim that we don't need a creator and there's no evidence for God. This would be enough to just shut their mouths.

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With the risk of being accused of splitting hairs, what about the Unitarian Christians? Or as some Muslims argue there were many Christians who rejected the Trinity idea even up-to late first millennium CE. These Christians are argued to had been assimilated into the new Muslim populations of those times. See Dr. Jerald Dirks lectures.
Hmm....Well, Christianity have been divided to many categories, so it would pretty hard to assume which one is the true unless you have read and comprehend the bible. The trinity category is most acceptable one beyond them, so maybe it's the one that really follows the bible.

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I'm not a scholar so I may be making a mistake, but where does the Qur'an say exactly that? From my humble understanding, the verse is talking about the religion Islam being the only acceptable one, there is no mention of the people following other religions.

Additionally, what about the Jews? After all, the Qur'an clearly says that Allah can forgive all sins except associating partners with Him. Or did this verse also got abrogated?

What about this?
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion – never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. Quran (Al Imran:85)

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Go through this, and then tell me which Kafir you know to have received the correct form or interpretation of Islam, had no remaining unanswered questions but still rejected Islam out of malice or arrogance.
I thought that you meant that kaffirs who did good deeds will go to heaven. Apparently I misunderstand you.

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Post your questions here. The brother Osama said many times that he doesn't have much time, and is always busy.

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Anyone who was righteous before the Prophethood of Muhammad s.a.w.w and the revelation of the verse of finilization of religion Islam,would enter paradise, provided that he was not hypocrite, wicked, polytheist and hostile towards Allah or His Prophets or His books etc.He had to be rewarded fully in this world as well as herafter

Now, after the verse of finalization of religion Islam, and that only Islam would be accepted, there is no room for those who do not believe in Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.w and His teachings.
Thanks for clearing doubts.

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The interpretation believed by scholars who believe in the possibility of non-Muslims getting into heaven is that when the Qur'an talks about Islam as the only acceptable religion, it is in the context of a question that arose during the revelation of Islam.
That doesn't make any sense. Just because that verse was revealed during the revelation of Islam Doesn't mean that it won't apply now. That's a flawed logic.


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Along with Muslims, Christians also believe that they follow the path to salvation, the path inspired by divine Scripture; regardless of what condition that scripture might be in, they believe that they were following God's book. Similarly, Jews were thinking the same. At some places in Muslim Scripture, Jews are even encouraged to follow their Jewish laws.

The question arose that among these different interpretations of the same original divine commandments, which path would be the correct path? Amongst these varying paths it was commanded by Allah that only the path shown by Islam is the correct path. As far as this verse is concerned, it does not mention any punishment for people who follow the other alleged paths to salvation.
Christians believe in trinity, which, is not acceptable in Islam because that's like polytheism. Secondly the Quran told us that whoever follows any other religion than Islam will not be accepted.


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Regarding the Qur'an verses which mention non-Muslims "will burn in hell forever", these scholars argue that those verses are concerning only those Kuffar who directly rejected Prophet Muhammad. They argue that the only people going to Hell we can be sure of, are the ones who directly rejected the Prophets during their lifetimes. Because when a Prophet lives within a people, they have the opportunity to get answers for each and every question they might have. When all legitimate questions that a person has, get answered and still he does not believe in Allah, then he is deliberately and maliciously rejecting the truth. For this sin, the punishment is Hell (whether it is forever or temporary is a different issue).
Evidence please, I highly doubt that there's any scholar who believes that those verses are only talking about the infidels during the prophet ( ﷺ )'s time.

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Why do you want a "refutation" for this?

While a lot of Muslim scholars might believe that only "Muslims" will enter paradise, there are also other Muslim scholars (along-with individuals on this forum) who believe "non-Muslims" can get into paradise too. They might not use the same arguments as provided above, but their conclusions are similar. As Osama Abdullah mentioned the definition of "Muslim" and "non-Muslim" being a matter of difference of opinion for some.

Excuse me? First of all, I have never heard any scholar that said non-Muslims can go to heaven. Secondly, the Quran says several times that who doesn't believe in Allah, nor accept the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) will burn in hell forever.

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It seems that no one is willing to answer my question.

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As'salamu Alaikum,

Only a Muslim can enter Paradise, and the definition of "Muslim" to Allah Almighty is broad.  I have covered this in details at:

www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm

However, the current Muslims of Islam must follow the Covenant and the Laws that are given to them from the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

Could you please refute his claims about those verses?
He says: "Allah makes it extremely clear that non-Muslims can go to heaven Quran 3:113-115:
There are some among the People of the Book who are upright, who recite God’s revelations during the night, who bow down in worship, who believe in God and the Last Day, who order what is right and forbid what is wrong, who are quick to do good deeds. These people are among the righteous and they will not be denied [the reward] for whatever good deeds they do: God knows exactly who is conscious of Him.

I may have been unclear on 2 levels. The first is the concept of People of the Book. People of the Book are not Muslims, but followers of other divinely inspired religions like Christianity and Judaism.

The second is the nature of the reward promised by Allah to these non-Muslims who happen to do good deeds. I only quoted 3:113-115, where Allah describes the reward in ambiguous terms but also declares that these non-Muslims 'are among the righteous' which is a term Allah reserves for those who go to Heaven. In 3:116-117 he contrasts them with idolaters who do not commit good deeds and will go to  Hell. The strong implication is that the reward for those who commit good is Heaven. Here are the verses together with 3:112 added to the front:

They have drawn God’s wrath upon themselves. They are overshadowed by weakness, too, because they have persistently disbelieved in God’s revelation and killed prophets without any right, all because of their disobedience and boundless transgression. But they are not all alike. There are some among the People of the Book who are upright, who recite God’s revelations during the night, who bow down in worship, who believe in God and the Last Day, who order what is right and forbid what is wrong, who are quick to do good deeds. These people are among the righteous and they will not be denied [the reward] for whatever good deeds they do: God knows exactly who is conscious of Him. As for those who disbelieve, neither their possessions nor their children will help them against God—they will be companions in the Fire, there to remain— and whatever they give away in this life will be nullified: a frosty wind strikes and destroys the harvest of people who have wronged themselves. It was not God who wronged them; they wronged themselves. Quran 3:112-117"

I look forward to your answers.

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Hello there, I have just heard from a Muslim answering a question on Quora, that a non-Muslim  can go to paradise if he commit good deeds.

He says: "Allah makes it extremely clear that non-Muslims can go to heaven Quran 3:113-115:
There are some among the People of the Book who are upright, who recite God’s revelations during the night, who bow down in worship, who believe in God and the Last Day, who order what is right and forbid what is wrong, who are quick to do good deeds. These people are among the righteous and they will not be denied [the reward] for whatever good deeds they do: God knows exactly who is conscious of Him.

I may have been unclear on 2 levels. The first is the concept of People of the Book. People of the Book are not Muslims, but followers of other divinely inspired religions like Christianity and Judaism.

The second is the nature of the reward promised by Allah to these non-Muslims who happen to do good deeds. I only quoted 3:113-115, where Allah describes the reward in ambiguous terms but also declares that these non-Muslims 'are among the righteous' which is a term Allah reserves for those who go to Heaven. In 3:116-117 he contrasts them with idolaters who do not commit good deeds and will go to  Hell. The strong implication is that the reward for those who commit good is Heaven. Here are the verses together with 3:112 added to the front:

They have drawn God’s wrath upon themselves. They are overshadowed by weakness, too, because they have persistently disbelieved in God’s revelation and killed prophets without any right, all because of their disobedience and boundless transgression. But they are not all alike. There are some among the People of the Book who are upright, who recite God’s revelations during the night, who bow down in worship, who believe in God and the Last Day, who order what is right and forbid what is wrong, who are quick to do good deeds. These people are among the righteous and they will not be denied [the reward] for whatever good deeds they do: God knows exactly who is conscious of Him. As for those who disbelieve, neither their possessions nor their children will help them against God—they will be companions in the Fire, there to remain— and whatever they give away in this life will be nullified: a frosty wind strikes and destroys the harvest of people who have wronged themselves. It was not God who wronged them; they wronged themselves. Quran 3:112-117"

Here's the link to the question: https://www.quora.com/topic/Zakir-Naik-Indian-Islamic-preacher
Just search about Aziz Gilani's answer.

Could someone refute this please??

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