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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Quran Scientific Difficulty: Embryology
« on: August 03, 2013, 04:46:53 PM »
Quote from: ThatMuslimGuy on August 03, 2013, 03:41:37 PM
Asalamualaikum,

This is answrred on page 35-36 of this paper:

http://www.iera.org.uk/research4_4.html

Hello brother yes it is, but this author makes a strong point:

http://embryologyinthequran.blogspot.com/2012/08/6-bones-idhaam.html


"Hamza responds by stating that the Arabic term for cartilage, “ghurdoof” refers to “a type of cartilage that is not a precursor to bones.” Yet, Hamza fails to provide any source for the claim that “ghurdoof” is not equivalent to the word cartilage whether it is a precursor to bone or not. Neither are there any sources provided by Hamza for his claim that permanent cartilage and the cartilaginous model of bones are different types.

"Thus, the permanent cartilage and the cartilaginous model of bones are made from the same kind of cartilage i.e. hyaline cartilage. Regardless, the definition he quotes from Lane’s lexicon defines “ghurdoof” as “any soft bone”. The following is the entry for “ghurdoof” provided by Lane’s lexicon;[xii]"

Hamza is under the impression that cartilage is a “form” of the bone. This is incorrect as cartilage and bone are distinct connective tissues.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Quran Scientific Difficulty: Embryology
« on: August 03, 2013, 03:23:23 PM »
Quran 23:14 .... and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; the

The problem is that its not bones. It is hyaline cartilage, and this cartilage is the same type of cartilage that is in the nose and joints. Ossification has not occurred yet and is incomplete.

They say that the Arabic term for cartilage, ghurdoof should have been used instead of idhaam.

Help with this please.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Advance Eid Mubarak
« on: August 03, 2013, 12:55:44 AM »
Thanks!

Eid Mubarak to you too!

May Allah bless you and your family.


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: The verse that proves all the scientific miracles:
« on: August 03, 2013, 12:15:34 AM »
Brothers, let me know if I have interpreted this wrong  :D

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / The verse that proves all the scientific miracles:
« on: August 01, 2013, 03:28:02 PM »
Quran 3:7 It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

This verse is saying 3 things:

1.) There are clear verses (verses about what you should do, laws, whats right, whats wrong)
2.) There are unspecific verses open to interpretation and not everyone can interpret it the right way
3.) The people who can interpret the unspecific verses are the ones with knowledge and understanding

Knowledge and understanding about what? Why not natural phenomena? So people without knowledge or understanding of natural phenomena would not be able to seek the correct interpretation. And since Allah knows everything , he is the one who knows the true interpretation.

So this means the scientific miracles of the Quran were put there purposely as unspecific verses and the people with knowledge and understanding can interpret those verses. So the interpretation of people back then isn't necessarily the right interpretation because they don't have knowledge and understanding of natural phenomena.

So this verse is also saying, that people with knowledge will know that the Quran is from God (even the unspecific verses) and that people of understanding can truly grasp the meaning of the unspecific verses.

Not only that, this verse is extremely relevant to Islamic Apologists, as it says that people will make an interpretation suitable to them seeking contradictions (discord).

Very interesting and mighty verse. Thoughts?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Question
« on: July 30, 2013, 03:12:14 PM »
Quote from: ThatMuslimGuy on July 30, 2013, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: mclinkin94 on July 30, 2013, 03:44:07 AM
Quote from: FARHAN_UDDIN on July 30, 2013, 02:59:16 AM
Assalamualykum.


 Brother Osama, how are you? May it's my last conversation with you for this month. Because I'm going out somewhere next week.

Brother one question,

 Why Muslims conspired against themselves?

 And when these hadiths were inserted why didn't anyone oppose?

 And, aren't the present copies of Sahih Hadiths same as the original manuscripts? or there's a problem with the original copies? If there is then didn't the hadith writers like Bukhari realize that these hadiths are fabricated?

May Allah shower His unending blessings upon you, your family and the entire Muslim Ummah.

It could have easily been non-muslims who wanted to degrade Muhammad and actually deluded people into thinking Muhammad did that.

For example:

Book 007, Hadith Number 2380. (Abu dawud)
►Narated By 'Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin : The Prophet (pbuh) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.


^Are you kidding me! Clearly the fabricator wanted to make the prophet look bad! Even if he did that, why talk about it??

AsalamuAlaikum,

That Hadith you posted is a daif (Weak) Hadith. Shaikh Al-Albani graded it daif.

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

The Prophet (SAW) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عِيسَى، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ دِينَارٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سَعْدُ بْنُ أَوْسٍ الْعَبْدِيُّ، عَنْ مِصْدَعٍ أَبِي يَحْيَى، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم كَانَ يُقَبِّلُهَا وَهُوَ صَائِمٌ وَيَمُصُّ لِسَانَهَا ‏.‏

Grade   : Da'if (Al-Albani)     ضعيف   (الألباني)   حكم     :

Reference    : Sunan Abi Dawud 2386
In-book reference    : Book 14, Hadith 74
English translation    : Book 13, Hadith 2380

Read here: http://www.sunnah.com/abudawud/14/74

There are authentic Hadith that do mention Kissing but no 'sucking':

Narrated Hisham's father:
Aisha said, "Allah's Messenger (SAW) used to kiss some of his wives while he was fasting," and then she smiled.

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي أَبِي، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ح وَحَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْلَمَةَ، عَنْ مَالِكٍ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ إِنْ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَيُقَبِّلُ بَعْضَ أَزْوَاجِهِ وَهُوَ صَائِمٌ‏.‏ ثُمَّ ضَحِكَتْ‏.‏

Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 1928
In-book reference    : Book 30, Hadith 36
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 3, Book 31, Hadith 150
  (deprecated)

Read here: http://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/30/36

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) used to kiss her during the month of fasting.

حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ يَحْيَى، وَقُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، وَأَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ قَالَ يَحْيَى أَخْبَرَنَا وَقَالَ الآخَرَانِ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الأَحْوَصِ، عَنْ زِيَادِ بْنِ عِلاَقَةَ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، - رضى الله عنها - قَالَتْ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يُقَبِّلُ فِي شَهْرِ الصَّوْمِ ‏.‏

Reference    : Sahih Muslim 1106 k
In-book reference    : Book 13, Hadith 89
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Book 6, Hadith 2445
  (deprecated)

Read here: http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/13/89

Yes, brother I am aware! But my point is that there were people who fabricated/overexaggerated hadiths and made them make the prophet look bad. Hadiths had no divine promise of being preserved. And what is amazing is that the Quran does not have the nonsense in many non-authentic and sometimes hadiths we call authentic. That should tell you a lot about the authors of the 2 books.

You have many people who don't respect our beloved prophet because of those hadiths.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Why would a perfect God create an imperfect creation?
« on: July 30, 2013, 05:17:07 AM »
Common atheist claim, need your response.

Why did God (who is perfect) create an imperfect creation. (Humans have organs like the appendix that we don't need, giraffes have a trachea that goes back-unnecessary). So why did God create us with imperfections.


Please watch this too: A rebuttal would be nice:

Richard Dawkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN74qV7SsjY

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Question
« on: July 30, 2013, 03:44:07 AM »
Quote from: FARHAN_UDDIN on July 30, 2013, 02:59:16 AM
Assalamualykum.


 Brother Osama, how are you? May it's my last conversation with you for this month. Because I'm going out somewhere next week.

Brother one question,

 Why Muslims conspired against themselves?

 And when these hadiths were inserted why didn't anyone oppose?

 And, aren't the present copies of Sahih Hadiths same as the original manuscripts? or there's a problem with the original copies? If there is then didn't the hadith writers like Bukhari realize that these hadiths are fabricated?

May Allah shower His unending blessings upon you, your family and the entire Muslim Ummah.

It could have easily been non-muslims who wanted to degrade Muhammad and actually deluded people into thinking Muhammad did that.

For example:

Book 007, Hadith Number 2380. (Abu dawud)
►Narated By 'Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin : The Prophet (pbuh) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.


^Are you kidding me! Clearly the fabricator wanted to make the prophet look bad! Even if he did that, why talk about it??

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: CONTRADICTION????
« on: July 29, 2013, 10:05:22 PM »
Brother, in order for this argument to make a logical contradiction. You have to ensure that "word" in those verses means "scripture". It doesn't. No one can change God's word--God's promise, God's plan, God's decisions etc. NOT Allah's scriptures/books. If this verse meant Allah's scriptures, then there would be a contradiction regardless of abrogation because God's words were changed in the bible/torah!

 it would be beneficial if the following points be established by the writer, as only the establishment of these points shall be a sufficient argument against the points established in this article:

1.) The words 'Kalimah' and/or 'Kalimaat' [in the Arabic language] are used only for the scriptures revealed by God; or that the Qur'an has, generally, used the words 'Kalimah' and/or 'Kalimaat' for scriptures revealed by God (specifying the verse and giving linguistic and contextual arguments to establish this contention); and

2.) The words 'Kalimah' and/or 'Kalimaat' in the cited verses (in the light of the context of these verses) imply the scriptures revealed by God.

May the Almighty guide us all to the path of His liking.

http://www.understanding-islam.com/articles/miscellaneous-issues/do-the-errors-in-the-bible-prove-that-the-qur-an-is-not-from-god-7


Quran 2:106 We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Main reason for ex-muslims departure of Islam
« on: July 26, 2013, 05:10:13 AM »
I have an ex-muslim friend. He is:

1.) Ignorant about Islam
2.) Uninterested in Islam
3.) Used to hate it because his parents back then would give him so many rules to follow
4.) Doesn't even have a single Surah memorized :(
5.) Prayed and fasted so his parents back then could see.

Its a heartbreaking story, I tried to bring him back--but he is too close-minded and uninterested.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: What if Aliens wrote the Quran?
« on: July 22, 2013, 02:12:26 AM »
Quote from: The Canadian Atheist on July 21, 2013, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: abdullah on July 21, 2013, 05:22:43 AM
assalamualykum akhi
This should be expected with some atheists, their problem is not a lack of proof of the existence of god, rather it is the fact that they are too arrogant to submit to god or something bad happened in their lives and they blame it on god, then they go on to say that god doesnt exist.

Look, just admit you're wrong alright?


to mclinkin, yea, there's a possibility that religious texts were written by a secret society that drives the world. It's becoming quite obvious, Republicans in America, Wahabis in Saudi Arabia, etc etc.

"Religion is the opium of the masses"
----Karl Marx

To those too young to know, Opium is a drug with morphine-like effects.

But, your political feelings on religion does not disqualify them as being from God.


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / What if Aliens wrote the Quran?
« on: July 20, 2013, 03:21:41 PM »
You are about to read the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in all of my life. There was this guy who when presented with irrefutable Quranic miracles, he responded with, "Okay, How do you know that God wrote the Quran and not Aliens: you see some miracles in the Quran and you immediately attribute it to God".

I was speechless. I responded by saying:

1.) The author of the Quran claims he is God
2.) You have no evidence that Aliens ever came to earth
3.) People in the past told Muhammad (pbuh) he was a magician, soothesayer etc. (and the alien thing was as ridiculous as saying he was a magician).

But then he said "No, really think about it--why wouldn't aliens have written the Quran so they can give humanity something or stop humanity from progressing scientifically-because religion has been shown to stop scientific advances because people are pre-occupied worshiping a fairy tale that their book convinced them of being true. That means that the aliens were trying to limit human progression so they can come destroy us in the future or use us as slaves"

The only thing i was able to say is that: What if there really was a God and he sent a scripture with divine miracles--you would still say it was written by aliens? Why base your lack of faith on speculation? The "What ifs" does not disprove Islam. What if, someone made a time machine and went back in time to write the Quran so he can change the world.

You won't believe what he said after that: "Yeah thats another possibility too. See how do you know its from God if there are other possibilities that its not"

This guy was actually convinced somewhat that the Quran could have not been written by ancient humans. But,


I again was disappointing to hear this close-mindedness. Seriously Aliens?

Whats your take on it? Comments? I cannot believe atheists could sink this low. Do you have anything to say?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Does verse 41:9-12 say the Earth was created before the universe?
« on: July 19, 2013, 03:55:10 PM »
I see thanks for those verses and that explanation Farhan.

I also realized that on verse 10, it says that Allah estimated Earth's sustenance in four days. So that means at day 4, the earth started forming (because before day 4 God was setting the universe up to create the earth (estimating Earth's sustenance). Now if you compare that with science, we know that earth formed 4.54 billion years ago (at the time of Muhammad) and that the universe is 13.7 billion years old. So if we assume that 13.7 billion years old=6 days and the earth would have formed at the 4th day. So the 4th day would be 6-2=4. We know that 13.7 billion years =6 days. And we know that 4.54 billion years is 2 days. So 13.7-4.54=9.16 is the same as 6-2=4. The earth did indeed form 9.16 billion years ago. At the time of Muhammad the Quran said that the universe and the Earth have a period of existence of 6 days and the earth in 2 days. So Earth should be 2/6th (1/3) the age of the universe at the time of Muhammad (since the creation of earth and universe is not yet fully completed according to the Quran and modern science-the universe is still expanding-so at the time of Muhammad the creation of the earth and universe took 6 periods, it will take more periods in the future when creation progresses). And with modern science its verified 4.54/13.7 is 1/3.

I also realized another problem I had. in verse 11 of that verse it says that Allah commanded the heaven and it is smoke and he said to it and to the earth come [it doesn't say come 'together' or 'into-being], willingly or unwillingly. I think come could mean come into existence willingly or unwillingly! And when they said we come willingly that means they follow the laws of physics that God ordained for them. And because of this he decreed them as 7 heavens and then revealed to each heaven its orders (physical laws--so the laws of physics slightly change after the creation of the universe).

The fact that Allah did not say come [together] or come [into existence] and he said just 'come' means that he purposely left those verses up to interpretation. He does this in order to make the heavens mean BOTH the atmosphere and the universe.

So if you interpret "Thumma" as then and 'come' as 'come together', then this verse is clearly talking about the atmosphere.

If you interpret "Thumma" as "moreover" and 'come' as 'come into existence', then this verse is clearly talking about the universe.

This verse was ingeniously worded that way so God may refer to both the universe and the atmosphere at the same time.


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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Does verse 41:9-12 say the Earth was created before the universe?
« on: July 18, 2013, 10:21:54 PM »
[Quran 41.9-12] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds." 10 He set on it (Earth) mountains, and bestowed it with blessings. And [Allah] estimated all its sustenance in four days, equally  for those who ask (prayers) 11 Then  [Allah] commanded the heaven and it was still smoke. He said to it and to Earth: "Come together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come together, in willing obedience". 12 So [Allah] decreed them as seven heavens (one above the other) in two days and revealed to each heaven its orders. And We [Allah] adorned the lowest heaven with lights, and protection. Such is the decree of the Exalted; the Knowledgeable.

Here it says God set on Earth mountains and then he commanded the heaven to come with the earth. And SO Allah decreed them as seven heavens.

Lets assume that "thumma" in the above verse means "moreover", on verse 12 it says "so" Allah decreed them as seven heavens! That means that  the Earth and the universe came together SO Allah decreed them as 7 heavens. Doesn't this illustrate a sequence of events? The heavens and the earth came together and THEN Allah made them as 7 heavens?

So "heavens" doesn't mean universe in that verse and all other verses, right?

Please help!



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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Will we be able to experience Qiyamah?
« on: July 18, 2013, 04:41:06 PM »
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