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Who's this man named "Muhammad" ? Your friend ? Maybe your brother ? Behave when you talk about the noblest of mankind , prophet Muhammad all peace and blessings upon him .

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Okay. But how do we know the hadiths are what the prophet said? Muhammad didn't say anything from his own tongue, sure, but the people who wrote the hadiths probably did. We have seen many hadiths that clearly contradict the Quran. That tells us a lot.

Contradiction my foot ! Just because you couldn't understand it then it doesn't mean it's wrong . Don't think that you discovered what people through 1400 years didn't discover . There is a whole science called "Science of Hadith" . How much do you know about it ? How do you declare if one saying is correct or not ? And here's a note : There is a type of Hadith called "Maoduu" , it means "Fabricated" . There are ways to know a fabricated saying before you were even born ! The difference is that they don't just say "All hadith is invalid" like you .

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Millions of Muslims all over the world have been brought up to believe that the collections of hadith by Bukhari and Moslim provide the authentic words and teachings of the prophet Muhammad. These two collections have been labelled "sahih" (authentic).

Yes , and there is a reason for that . Because those two were the most strict and accurate among the scholars . You need to understand something : The sayings in Bukhari and Muslim are not authorized because they were told by them . No , Bukhari and Muslim gained this status because what they told was the most accurate among the scholars . The evidence is that even in these two there are around 20 weak sayings which were deemed so due to the science of Hadith , not due to personal preference .

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The majority of these hadith portray a chain of narrators in a chinese whispers fashion attributing sayings to the Prophet (e.g. A said that B said that C said ....... that G said, that the Prophet said). Often the chain extends to seven names or even more, yet for some reason the hadith advocates still deemed these hadith to be the authentic and genuine sayings of the Prophet!

Uh huh . So mister genius here - who doesn't know the first thing in the science of Hadith - thinks this is Chinese whisper simply because he couldn't understand ! And I still don't see what's your objection about the chain going to 6 or 7 - let them be 100 ! - making it a wrong way ! You have a better way maybe ?

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With an extremely naive type of logic. It is assumed that every person in the chain, not only was totally honest, but that he had a super human memory to enable him to narrate accurately incidents that took place one hundred or two hundred years earlier.! How did they come to this conclusion?

Maybe , just maybe , when you stop putting words in people's mouths you'll see what it really is ! For the 9476349 time : There is a whole science for Hadith ! It investigates about every single man in the chain . It investigates if he met the one he claims heard it from and if honest or not and whatsoever . If you think that this way is "Extremely naive" then just throw ALL history in the dumb because you'll never find a more accurate way than this .

Quote from: mclinkin94 on August 10, 2013, 01:16:37 PM

So the word used should be 'Ghurdoof' (cartilage) rather than 'Idhaam' (bones). Do you know if the word for bones encompasses cartilage too? That would immediately solve the issue.

Yes it does. Actually it's defined in arabic dictionaries as idham with specific characters i.e pliant, can be eaten,so The word adhm includes hard bones and soft cartilage.
 سنحتكم إلى معاجم اللغة العربية لنعرف هل -في لغة العرب- يعد الغضروف عظم؟ :

(المعجم الوسيط) : الغضروف : كل عظم لين رخص في أي موضع كان.
(المحيط في اللغة) : الغُضْرُوْفُ : كلُّ عَظْم رَخْصٍ.
(الصحاح للجوهري) : الغُرْضوفُ : ما لان من العظم، وهو الغُضْروفُ أيضاً.
(لسان العرب) : الغُضْرُوف : كلُّ عَظم رَخْص ليّن في أَيّ موضع كان.

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Sorry brother just checked the forum. I will reply when im on p.c.

Assalamualykum
I think I have an explanation that might work, the word "idhamm" means any bone, while "ghurdoof" means any soft bone. So the word idhamm still encompasses the meaning of ghurdoof, its just that ghurdoof is more specific. Well, one might say why doesn't the Qur'an say ghurdoof, the more specific term. I would reply with
1. The Qur'an is not a science book
2. The companions of the prophet, and the later generations understood ghurdoof to mean only the bones that are in the nose and ear therefore it would have been very confusing to them.
3. Ghurdoof was specifically meant for the ears and nose, so it wouldn't have been accurate for types of bones in the embryo because the bones in tge embryo contain osteoblasts while bones in the nose and ear do not.
Hope that helps. Let me know if yall agree or disagree with my explanation.