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Now, the question arises, why did the Quran use such language in that manner that appears contradictory?

It is because the Quran is an elegant book and is meant to display a beautiful text. Not only that you must reflect further:

Point 1: If God were to give a revelation to 7th century nomads it has to compel them and has to give them things to reflect upon so they believe in the scripture
Point 2: If that revelation is the final revelation and is supposed to compel people of the future, then that revelation cannot contradict reality that future humans will discover
Point 3: Therefore, the Quran MUST affirm 7th century belief without contradicting science.

And it must be sufficiently vague so that it doesn't compel those whose hearts are closed. (watch this video on this topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj4DS_QQYfo )

So yes, you find that in the Quran many words are purposely avoided or the Quran used alternate words so it could affirm 7th century beleif without contradicting (but supporting) science. So the Quranic scientific miracles have to be vague enough so they don't compel those whose hearts are closed and has to (at the same time) NOT contradict 7th century belief.

Imagine Muhammad directly told everyone at the time that the Earth is round and that you are standing off of the middle and God has made it so you don't fall off. Image Muhammad told people directly that mankind's parents were primates. People at that time would have considered him "idiotic" and "unscientific" and would have never considered Islam. So what did God do? In the Quran, there isn't a single verse that says the Earth is flat and there are many verses that hint at the Earth being round and there are many verses that hint at evolution. Those have to be sufficiently vague enough so it doesn't compel those whose hearts are closed AND not contradict 7th century belief AND support modern science.



Conclusion: So why does the Quran sound so basic and why didn't the Quran cover extensively the complex scientific topics?

God  patronizes us in the Quran. He knows we are only limited to understanding certain things, and that is what he utilizes. So of course the Quran has to give 7th century people something to reflect upon. Its like me trying to explain the theory of relativity to a 2 year old. I am going to sound like I am 2 year old and I am going to avoid using bigger words and complex topics

AsalamuAlaikum,

I totally agree and will hepl out as much as i can.

I have already created a blog starting to refute some of the nonsense on the website:

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/

Ive answered 4 points(need improving):

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/did-sun-set-in-muddy-pool-according-to.html

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/re-quran-scientific-error-night-time.html

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/is-universe-contracting-according-to.html

http://quran-errors.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/clarifying-issues-heavens-and-earth.html

You have done an AMAZING job at these! May Allah bless you for your efforts.

Its time to find a way to create a wiki. I'm trying to figure it out and I will get back at you when one is created.

There is one right here: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_errors_in_the_Quran_(response) currently, but it doesn't let us accept the edits. So we have to make one of our own.

Agreed!

I have started writing a blog a few days ago because the wikiIslam reponse link doesn't allow me to change it.

Look at how I started it, if anyone wants to pitch in let me know. It won't be a wiki unfortunately. but it could be converted into one once we can make a wiki. Unfortunately, I don't have the technical skills.

http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/wiki-islam-debunked.html

The Quran says Allah created atheists just so he could torture them for eternity (Whether you warn them or not, they will not believe)

Looks like you are gonna need to re-read the Quran.

It says that those people who are reluctant to worship after they have seen the signs will be tortured.

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With regards to destiny, yes your choice has already been made. Physicists testify to this that time is only an illusion and all that has and will happen in our perception has already happened. But regardless of what you will do, it is still your choice .

After reading through your article i see that you say people have already made literrature equal to the Quran, and that the only difference is that it does not convert someone.
My understanding is that nobody can produce ANYTHING like the Quran?

Hello Muslimkid!

I also recommend that you read these books that show the Numerical consistency in the Quran:

http://answeringislamicskeptics.weebly.com/the-grand-miracle.html

Yes, I keep getting cut off.

1.) It seems like you have been proving your lack of understanding in Hadiths. Rather, I think those with understanding of hadiths and intellectual honesty cannot come to believe them. Unfortunately, not many muslims question their faith.

2.) Do I accuse the companions of Hypocrisy, or does ALLAH rightfully tell you some of them are hypocrites. Stop deny Quran in favor of hadith. QUran 9:101 is clear.

3.) You said that if we follow that line of thinking, we must accuse the Quran of corruption. I fail to see why. Are you saying that the Quran or I said that ALL the companions were hypocrites? Are you saying that all the companions got together and corrupted the Quran? Very unlikely.  Are you saying we don't have manuscripts that show us the Quran in its form? I don't think so. We see different forms of the same hadith, just like we do of the bible.

All it takes is ONE companion to corrupt a saying of the prophet Muhammad (no one really memorized every saying).

And let me slap you out of this lala world where you live .You desperately clutch to the straw of accusing the companions . And you think that you understand the 101st verse of Tubah . Let me ask : If the prophet really didn't know the hypocrites at all his whole life , how come Allah orders him not to obey them and fight them ?

Did Allah let Muhammad know who the hypocrites were? Of course not. That would contradict Quran 9:101. Instead Allah tells the prophet (pbuh) that if he finds out the hypocrites to fight them. Why? So it could ensure that hypocrites don't join Islam. Its simple. You make something so simple, so complex. You cannot reject the Quran. Quran 9:101 says that there are hypocrites among the prophet and the prophet does not know them, and they will be punished in the hereafter.

I'm saying that the science isn't to be criticized by arrogant people who don't know the first thing about anything . And I challenge you to bring one authorized Hadith that contradicts Quran or logic . The only thing you'll find is what contradicts your personal liking the same as every rejecter . You have until the sun rises from the west .

That's easy! Firstly it is noted that Bukhari and the other scientists obviously excluded the hadiths that they thought contradicted the Quran. Unfortunately, for them, the Quran's understanding is not fixed with time. There are many many multi-layered understandings within the Quran and Quran 3:7 states that itself.

But here are some lists of contradictions from "authentic" hadiths:

"I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of God. NOR DO I KNOW THE UNSEEN. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?"6:50

The Prophet said, "Verily! 70,000 or 700,000 of my followers will enter Paradise altogether; so that the first and the last amongst them will enter at the same time, and their faces will be glittering like the bright full moon."

How about a clear contradiction:

Sahih Muslim: Book 041, Number 7005:  12
Ibn Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). made a mention
of Dajjal in the presence of the people and said:

@Black Muslim's post:

1.) Why do you assume I don't know about Hadith? Seems unverified if you ask me.

2.) I've never ever accused the prophet (pbuh) of lying, I accuse those who speak of him of lying. Even the Quran tells us that among st his companions are hypocrites. Bukhari must have some kind of divine power to know which ones were lying or being hypocrites  ....Bukahari must know better than the prophet himself.....

3.) By stating the science of the Hadith and re-stating my alleged ignorance, your arguments hold no value. Are you saying the science of Hadith collection is perfect? Are you saying that we haven't found internal and external contradictions in Hadiths, even in alleged "authentic hadiths". Those are very naive comments.

4.) You say to NEVER EVER compare the Sunni Hadith to the Shia Hadith. Guess what, Shia tell me the same thing! The Quran condemns following any other book or hadith than the Quran. The Quran further states that being obedient to anything else except for Allah is Shirk. You are committing shirk by being obedient to your "sunnah" rather than Allah's prescriptions in the Quran. The Quran is the ONLY sunnah.

5.) Its true, the sects say that "My scholars are better than yours", and they base their belief system on it. The killing of Sunni muslims by Shia, the killing of apostates by sunni etc etc. You are all disobedient to the Quran.

6.) I have stated observations about Hadiths and how they are historically corrupted and full of contradictions. How can you believe a collection with such attributes? I never understood. You might as well believe in the current form of the bible while you are at it.

7.) Indeed my point still remains, The Quran tells us in 19:101 that the prophet himself did now know which of his companions were hypocrites. Haha, Bukhari just knows and you just follow him. Obeying Allah means obeying Bukhari. Is Bukhari infallible?

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Now for your Quran allegations:

Quran 8:20 O you who have believed, obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn from him while you hear [his order].

^Do you see the word: Nabi (prophet) here? No, obey the messenger. Yes we obey Gabriel as well because he gave Muhammad the message. And we obey Muhammad. Here is the chain of command:

Allah-->Preserved Tablet--->Gabriel--->Muhammad--->Quran--->Mankind

By obeying the Quran, we obey the prophet Muhammad and we obey Gabriel and we obey what the preserved tablet says and we ULTIMATELY obey Allah!

Don't get me wrong, Muhammad (pbuh) is a messenger and we should obey him. We know FOR SURE that he told us to uphold the Quran. So by following the Quran, we obey what the prophet Muhammad said thereby obeying Allah. It really isn't a hard concept.

By obeying Hadith, we obey what people whispered about Muhammad Chinese-style to each other. No thank you.

8.) You said "So you're telling me that Quran used to read Quran for people ??!!"
I said no such thing. I said the prophet recited the Quran and we follow what he recited from Allah. By obeying the Quran, we obey Allah and his messenger. Nothing else is required as the Quran hasn't specified it.

9.) So you deny what your own hadiths say?

Imam Bukhari & Muslim reported that the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) said,