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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Proof of the unseen world.
« on: September 27, 2017, 06:23:12 AM »
Many Atheists demand scientific "Proof" of the unseen world,This is a ignorant question to ask for proof,let me tell you why,

Science,first of all Is NOT the proof of any unseen world or spirituality,or nothing,infact we know things that science can't explain too like
Plants Can Communicate and Do Complex Arithmetic
We dont know all the contents of water,
We haven't explored the whole underground,
We haven't seen the other dimensions yet,

So,if you really want "Scientific" proof of the unseen world,you must explain this
Science has been going for over thousands of years,yet how come till now Humans cannot even create something like Humans,not at all, not one creature has been created by science that can live to its original full life,
so that disproves the Notion "God doesnt exist" because if we really were created by an explosion of elements,etc how come we cannot reuse the elements to recreate Humans? we have all the elements,we have tried it,we cannot so that means that it wasnt the ELEMENTS that created humans,it was something else,and that something else is Allah Almighty.

As Muslims we need to learn to be skeptic of science sometimes,even though there is scientific proof of the Quran,etc but we must address the things Science has never ever explained,and will not be able to in eternity.

This is the reason why many Muslims doubt Islam,they always use science to prove Islam,we can use science to prove Islam,there is alot of Science and Linguistic miracles which havent been met in the last 1400 years,and even today people who did try,failed badly like that "Surah al Dajjaj" thing which was a big fail of repetitive words.

But we must know not all of Islam is scientific Islam is also spiritual.
So in order to prove Islam,we must prove Islam spiritually,I'd glad to give this advice,to prove Islamic spiritually, Its called "The Islamic Meditation" its just for one minute,I'd advise trying it out and see how it works It works for me personally.

how to Eliminate Stress in 60 Seconds: Awaken (15 Seconds)

The first step in learning how to eliminate stress as rapidly as it manifests is to become conscious and aware that you are stressed.

Often, we suffer the effects of stress without taking the brief moment to acknowledge and become aware of what is actually happening. By simply taking a brief moment to awaken to the fact that you are stressed, you will have already made significant progress in learning how to eliminate stress and to purge and purify it from your system.

To eliminate stress, take 15 seconds to simply acknowledge and become aware of what you are experiencing. Consciously acknowledge what you are experiencing and feeling. Begin to become still.

How to Eliminate Stress in 60 Seconds: Breathe (30 Seconds)

The second step in learning how to eliminate stress from your system in record time is to simply begin breathing consciously.

Become aware of any tension in your body, and gently relax as you begin to breathe. Begin resting into and with your breath. Allow your breath to sink deeply into your core, and allow your abdomen to expand with each breath as you relax and release tension.

Your breath is sacred, and by becoming one with your breath, you are in fact inviting the Divine Presence of the Eternal into your being. The Light, Love and Presence of God are sufficient to dissolve any tension and stress, so enjoy the gift of simply breathing.

How to Eliminate Stress in 60 Seconds: Remember (15 Seconds)

Lastly, to eliminate stress, take a few seconds to remember and affirm the truth. Calm yourself with affirmations and statements that remind you of the Power, Omnipotence and Omnipresence of God.

For example, “God Almighty is in control. All happens but by His Will. I am at peace. I am surrendered. I trust. I believe. This too shall pass. My breath connects me to my Creator. His will for us is love, healing, strength and success.” And so on.

Because the world continually seeks to influence and control us with fear, in learning how to eliminate stress, we must take conscious control of our selves by first surrendering and the remembering the truth.

Thus, you strengthen the power of your belief(Taqwa), and with belief(Taqwa) comes the support, Light, Power and Presence of God.
Credits to:Ihsan Alexander for this.

To explore the spiritual world, Islam has given us assets
5 times prayers:This strengthens the brain, and it helps the brain gain Taqwa
Islamic Meditation:Also gives consciousness this time however OF THE UNSEEN,and it gives Taqwa aswell.
Reciting the Quran: Ever wondered why the rhythmic prose which has never been met of the Quran very Peaceful and sound?
Well because its an asset to spirituality, it helps give consciousness of this world,the next world,of God,And his beings.
it mentions all of these in this one book,so how can you disbelieve in it?

And after these assets, if you still demand proof after tasting the spiritual world,
then you must go back and think more, how come Science has not been able to do such things?
If God really doesn't exist,then the world wouldn't have been in such an orbit as it is now,look at how perfectly everything orbits,its like a created system, its impossible to randomly recreate it through randomization.
Chances of it are 0.0000000001%
If the big bang was something random then we should be dead by now,because randomization gives a very very erroneous result. so therefore the universe cannot be random,for it is basically perfect.

I'd recommend this experiment, take a bunch of dices and throw them on the floor,and if in the first try it lands in a perfect circlular motion,then only this disproves what I say,if not then it proves what I say.

And for atheism,I'd use Plato's description of it


Atheism is a disease of the soul before it becomes an error of understanding. -Plato.




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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Abdullah Sameer was never a Muslim.
« on: September 27, 2017, 04:53:39 AM »
So after a bit of insight I've seen many inconsistencies in his so called "Apostasy" first of all,in his Response to Nouman Ali Khan he says he wasn't Muslim before 16 years,yet in his why I left Islam video,he says he was a Ismaili Muslim before 16 years,and he says he left Islam due to how people in it acted,yet in his Blog he left Islam due to a doubt "Did Quran borrow from Talmud?" Which has been answered by many Muslims.

So his apostasy stories are very very contradictory,why did he leave Islam and when was he Muslim? We'll never know.

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I will return once theres a new critique of Islam I can refute with new non-re-used arguments,unlike Abdullah sameers repetition of "Hell is this hell is that" or complaining about the Problem of evil,and other copied plagiarized arguments,its really annoying how Fake Ex-Muslims can really come together in one place to show even more stupidity and reused arguments. like the way he tries to mock Bro.Nouman Ali Khan,etc,etc I've researched on this person,he also seems autistic,not insulting but being serious,in almost all of his videos,his tone of speaking doesnt match his emotion,it is a sign of autism.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Refuting the Problem from hell
« on: September 26, 2017, 02:18:31 PM »
Source:Yaqeen Institution.

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In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Grantor of Mercy

Is Allah really more merciful with us than even our own mothers? How can that be possible when He created Hellfire and will cast some people into it?

The study Modern Pathways to Doubt in Islam, published by the Yaqeen Institute, determined that many young Muslims find it difficult to reconcile the idea of a Merciful God with the existence of hellfire. Similarly, the claim of the “New Atheists” that the very concept of tortuous damnation found within Islam and Christianity grates against our sense of justice. As a result, many Muslims today need to understand this concept in order to restore their faith and conviction in the Almighty. In this particular paper, we will not delve into the impossibility of sizing up an infinite and unseen God through the limited lens of finite human perception, nor the many writings of Muslim and Christian theologians across the centuries about reconciling God’s mercy with His punishment. This case study will focus on one famous tradition of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ regarding God’s mercy and the hellfire and will refute the claim that this tradition is counterintuitive.

‘Umar b. al-Khaṭṭāb (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates that a captive woman was once [frantically] searching until she suddenly found a small boy among the captives. She pulled him to her stomach and breastfed him, at which point the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said to us, “Do you think this woman would throw her child into a fire?” We said, “No, O Messenger of Allah, not while she is capable of not throwing him.” The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, “Allah is certainly more merciful with His servants than this woman is with her child.”[1]

Allah (the Majestic) describes Himself repeatedly in the Quran as Arḥam ar-Rāḥimeen (literally: the most merciful of those who show mercy),[2] and says that His mercy encompasses all things.[3] His Prophet ﷺ described Him as more merciful with His servants than a mother is with her child, and more merciful with His servant than the servant is with himself. There is no clearer, more recurring, fact in the Quran or Sunnah, after that of Allah being unique in His Oneness, than that He possesses unimaginable mercy and compassion. How then can this be reconciled with the fact that God would punish some people with Hellfire?

Allah must be more merciful than all, since He is the One who endowed His creation with the aptitude for mercy in the first place

No mercy can outdo the mercy of Allah, since every mercy is but a manifestation of His mercy. For this reason, Ibn Taymiya (d. 728H, may Allah bestow mercy on him) said, “Allah is more merciful with His servants than the most merciful mother is with her child, for the One who made her merciful is more merciful than her.”[4] The Prophet ﷺ alluded to this phenomenon when asked why he was weeping for a dying infant, by saying, “These [tears] are a mercy that Allah places in the hearts of whomever He wishes.”[5] In another hadith, the Prophet ﷺ elaborated,

Belonging to Allah are one hundred [portions of] mercy, of which He sent down a single mercy [and divided it] among the jinn, humans, animals, and insects. Because of it, they are compassionate with one another; and because of it, they are merciful with one another; and because of it, a beast is compassionate with her child – to the point that a horse lifts its hoof in fear of hurting its newborn…[6]
How then can anyone exceed Allah in mercy, when they are all void of any mercy except that which He infused into their hearts?

A mother’s mercy is but a fraction of Allah’s universal mercy which every human being enjoys in this life

In this world, He shows immeasurable mercy universally to all people, regardless of whether they believe, disbelieve, obey, or defy Him. This universal mercy includes giving them life, supplying them with a lifetime of food, drink, cures, protection, and so much more. Every breath of oxygen, ray of sunshine, drop of rain, moment of motherly love, act of kindness, averted tragedy, is one of the observable manifestations of this mercy. As for the vast majority of His mercy, it goes unnoticed – either because it is unseen, or subtle, or lost in the abyss of human forgetfulness. In another wording of the earlier hadith, the Prophet ﷺ said,

On the day when Allah created mercy, He created mercy to be one hundred [portions]. He retained with Him ninety-nine [portions of] mercy, and divided amidst His entire creation a single mercy. If the disbeliever were to realize all the mercy that is with Allah, he would never despair of [entering] Paradise. And if the believer were to realize all the punishment that is with Allah, he would never feel secure from Hellfire.[7]
Therefore, although people receive varying degrees of God’s mercy in their respective lives, they will all receive more mercy from Allah in this life than from anyone else – mothers included. So if Allah showed nobody mercy in the afterlife, He has already been more merciful and compassionate with humanity than their own mothers.

Allah has reserved an even greater mercy for the believers in the afterlife

In the hereafter, His mercy will be even greater, ninety-nine times greater, and witnessing its magnitude will be mind boggling. As ‘Abdullāh b. Mas‘ūd (may Allah be pleased with him) said, “People will continue receiving mercy on the Day of Resurrection, to the point that [even] the heart of Iblees (Satan) will quiver [in hope], due to what he sees of Allah’s mercy and the intercession of the intercessors.”[8] However, this special mercy will be reserved for the believers. For every believer on that day, being subject to Allah’s mercy – and nobody else’s – will be their aspiration. As Ḥammād b. Salama (may Allah bestow mercy on him) said, “I swear by Allah, were I given the choice between Allah conducting my reckoning or my parents conducting my reckoning, I would choose the reckoning of Allah – for Allah is more merciful with me than my parents.”[9] Therefore, Allah being more merciful with His servants than a mother with her child applies to the hereafter as well, where “His servants” is understood to imply His believing servants. In fact, some narrations of this hadith state, “Likewise, Allah would never throw His beloved into the Fire.”[10] Obviously, such language can only apply to those who aren’t rebellious rejecters of God.[11]

Though the mercy of Allah is without limits, Allah is not limited by His mercy

The assumption that Allah must extend unconditional mercy to the disbeliever is problematic because it poses a stalemate between Allah’s mercy and His justice. In other words, if Allah dismisses all eligibility requirements for His mercy, that “benevolence” would necessitate that He be unjust. Thus, Allah (the Majestic) repeats throughout the Quran: “Or do those who commit evils think We will make them like those who have believed and done righteous deeds – [make them] equal in their life and their death? Evil is that which they judge.”[12] “Or should We treat those who believe and do righteous deeds like corrupters in the land? Or should We treat those who fear Allah like the wicked?”[13] “Then will We treat those who submit (the Muslims) like the criminals? What is [the matter] with you? How do you judge?”[14]

The perfect names and attributes of Allah are harmonious; they exist in unison without trumping one another. For this reason, the vastness of Allah’s mercy is often coupled with a reference to His divine justice. In the Quran, for instance, the Most High says, “My mercy encompasses all things – so I will decree it [especially] for those who fear Me.”[15] Ibn Abi Jamra (d. 599H, may Allah bestow mercy on him) explains, “It is universal in terms of adequacy (i.e., can accommodate everyone), but specific in terms of who it is decreed for.” Elsewhere, Allah says, “Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good.”[16] In the Sunnah, for instance, the Prophet ﷺ said, “And [know that] Allah only shows mercy to the merciful among His slaves.”[17] Hence, from the perfection of Allah’s justice and wisdom is that He differentiates between His allies and His enemies; those who obeyed Him and those who disobeyed Him; those who devoted their lives to Him and those who devoted their lives to opposing Him. If among human beings, treating an honest citizen and brazen vigilante equally is considered foolish and unjust, “then what is your assumption of the Lord of the worlds?”[18] Notice that the Prophet’s Companions said about that impassioned mother, “No, O Messenger of Allah, not while she is capable of not throwing him.” Similarly, Allah would never throw His creation into the Hellfire, unless His justice necessitated that there be no other fate.

Allah sending His messengers and scriptures to mankind, and inspiring people to recognize and embody guidance, is the greatest mercy of all

Allah revealing the Quran and making one a believer in it is a far greater mercy than anything that anyone could ever receive. As Allah (the Exalted) says, “Say, ‘In the bounty of Allah and in His mercy – in that let them rejoice; it is better than all they accumulate.”[19] Ibn ‘Abbās (may Allah be pleased with him) and others explained that the bounty of Allah referred to here is the Quran, and His mercy is Islam; these are far greater than all else combined. It’s the life money cannot buy, the clarity that no genius can discover, the system that never disappoints, the comfort that even mothers cannot provide, the strength that vanquishes every distress and anxiety, and the inner peace that no tragedy can undermine. And in the afterlife, it’s this very same mercy that will qualify someone to enter Paradise, as the Prophet ﷺ said, “No one’s deeds will admit him into Paradise.” They said, “Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?” He said, “No, not even I, unless Allah envelops me in His bounty and mercy.”[20] Only by the mercy and bounty of Allah are people actually moved to perform good deeds in this life, and only by His mercy and grace are these humble and flawed good deeds adequate to admit one to a priceless Paradise forever. Put differently, Allah sent His Prophet ﷺ as a mercy to the worlds, then conferred another mercy by guiding the sincere to embrace His Prophet’s path, then conferred the greatest mercy by accepting that imperfect attempt in exchange for an unimaginable eternal reward. In this vein, the Prophet ﷺ also said, “If Allah were to punish the inhabitants of His heavens and His earth, He would do so without being unjust in doing so. And if He were to have mercy on them, His mercy would be better for them than their own deeds.”[21]

Those who reject this opportunity and rebel against it have refused Allah’s mercy, which He loves to impart, disqualified themselves from it, and opted by their actions for His justice instead. As the Prophet ﷺ said, “There is no one who loves to excuse [people] more than Allah. For that reason, He sent down the Scripture and dispatched the messengers.”[22] Despite that, some people will still insist – with their free will – to behave in ways that cause them to experience the punishment they denied and used to mock without end. For that reason, the Prophet ﷺ said, “…That is your example and mine; I am there to hold you back from the Fire and save you from it, but you are slipping from my hands and plunging into it despite my efforts.”[23]

In his book, Kashf al-Mushkil (Resolving the Problematic), Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 597H, may Allah bestow mercy on him) said,

It was from His universal mercy to send the messengers and grant respite to the sinners. But when the disbeliever rejects Him, he exits to the station of stubborn rebellion, and thereby is no longer eligible for mercy. As for His special mercy, this is for His believing slaves; He is delicate with them in hardships and ease, beyond the delicate care of a mother with her child.”[24]
These words of Ibn al-Jawzi make another important distinction that helps elucidate this issue further; namely that only those who stubbornly reject God’s message are ineligible for His mercy in the hereafter.

As for those who God knows did not receive the message, or could not understand it due to a sensory or circumstantial impediment, they will certainly be given an equal opportunity at salvation and mercy. The Prophet ﷺ said,

There are four [who will protest to Allah] on the Day of Resurrection: the deaf man who could not hear anything, the insane man, the decrepit old man, and the man who died in the interval [between Jesus and Muhammad]. As for the deaf man, he will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I could not hear anything!’ As for the insane man, he will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came while the children were pelting me with dung!’ As for the decrepit old man, he will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I could not understand anything.’ As for the one who died in the interval, he will say, ‘O Lord, no messenger of Yours came to me.’ Their promises to obey Him will then be taken, and then word will be sent to them to enter the Fire. By the One in whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them [and they will be entered into Paradise].[25]
In another narration, “And whoever does not enter it will be dragged to it.”[26]

Punishment in the Hellfire contains multiple layers of mercy

Through punishing some people with the fire of Hell, God purifies them of their spiritual corruption, manifests for them the pricelessness of salvation, and avenges those they had persecuted. Hence, Allah grants several dimensions of mercy by the very act of punishment in the hereafter itself. Let us briefly elucidate each of these three dimensions, to better grasp just how such mercy is actualized.

Firstly, the Hellfire serves – at least for believers – a therapeutic role: to transform wicked souls into pure ones so that they can enter Paradise. Would a mother refuse surgery or amputation for her child after all else has failed? Would she deem such drastic measures as contrary to compassion? Likewise, a multitude of hadiths from the Prophet ﷺ indicate that “Everyone who does not associate partners with God will [eventually] enter Paradise, even if they commit adultery and theft.”[27] In another hadith, “When Allah intends mercy on whomever He wishes of those in Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out, recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the fire to eat away those traces.”[28] Ibn al-Qayyim explains in Ḥādi al-Arwāḥ,

The Hellfire was created to frighten the believers and to purify the sinners and criminals. It serves as a means of purification from the filth which the soul contracted in this world. Had it purified itself here through genuine repentance, good deeds which erase [sins], and calamities which atone [for sins], it would not have needed to be purified there…

Allah, the Exalted, has no desire to punish His slaves without reason, as the Most High said, ‘What would Allah do with your punishment if you are grateful and believe? And ever is Allah Appreciative and Knowing.’[29] However, the wretched continued to alter their natural state and displace it from [the purity] it was created upon to its opposite, until the corruption became firmly rooted. So they were in need of removing this, and required another change and purification which transfers them back to health – since neither the recited and created signs of God, nor the pleasing and painful decrees He destined, reformed them in this world. It was for that reason that He provided them with more signs, experiences, and punishments that were superior to those in this worldly life – in order to uproot that evil and impurity which only fire can eliminate. And once the cause and reason for punishment vanishes, so does the punishment, and the reason for mercy then remains without opposition…[30]
In other words, some people attain spiritual purity in this worldly life by following the signs and guidance of God, whereas those who do not are purified in the next life by having their corruption eradicated by the fire of Hell. Once their evil has vanished, the punishment no longer persists. Ibn al-Qayyim then continues to add an interesting rational inference, saying,

The wisdom of Allah necessitated that He appoint an appropriate remedy for every disease, and remedying the misguided requires the most difficult remedies [to endure]. A compassionate doctor may cauterize the sick person, searing him with fire over and over again, in order to remove from him the foul elements that sabotaged his natural state of health. And if [this doctor] sees that amputating the limb is better for the sick person, he severs it, causing him by that the most severe pain. This is the fate which Allah destined for eliminating extraneous elements which undermine good health against a person’s will, so what about when the person willfully chooses to admit toxic elements upon his pure soul? When the intelligent person reflects on the laws of Allah (the Blessed and Exalted), His destined decree in this world, and His reward and punishment in the hereafter, he finds them perfectly suitable, appropriate, and interconnected. This is because it is all sourced in perfect knowledge, impeccable wisdom, and showering mercy. And indeed, He – the Glorified – is the True Supreme King, and His kingship is one of mercy, graciousness, and justice.[31]
In other words, God’s infinite wisdom deemed that the hereafter be an extension of this worldly life and reflective of it. So just as rigorous methods of treatment are resorted to for remedy here, likewise will be the function of the Hellfire there. Neither, when warranted and appropriately administered, is contrary to mercy in the least. Some may argue that a doctor would readily remove the painful element of treatment if he could, so why does God not purify souls without the pain? What Ibn al-Qayyim suggests is that it is the pain itself and the receipt of just requital that serves to purify the wicked soul.

Secondly, albeit a more subtle dimension of mercy, punishing some people in the Hellfire causes the residents of Paradise to be overwhelmed with gratitude when witnessing what their fate would have been without God’s guidance and grace. Allah (the Most High) says,

And they will approach one another, inquiring of each other. A speaker among them will say, ‘Indeed, I had a companion [on earth] who would say, ‘Are you indeed of those who believe that when we have died and become dust and bones, we will indeed be recompensed?’’ He will say, ‘Would you [care to] look?’ And he will look and see him in the midst of the Hellfire. He will say, ‘By Allah, you almost ruined me. If not for the favor of my Lord, I would have been of those brought in [to Hell]. Then, are we not to die, except for our first death, and we will not be punished?’ Indeed, this is the great attainment. For the like of this, let the workers [on earth] work.[32]
Such people will melt in Paradise out of their love for God, realizing what He saved them from, and knowing that this bliss is eternal and worth far more any work they did to receive it.

Thirdly, punishing people with Hellfire serves as a mercy for those who will be consoled by seeing their oppressors receive divine retribution in it. Just as Allah reminded the Israelites of His favor in drowning Pharaoh “while you watched,”[33]He will also allow windows to the Hellfire which grant solace to those who were abused, allowing some to observe how Allah avenges them against those who pillaged their wealth, killed their children, assassinated their character, and the like.

Perhaps these three reasons, and many more, explain why the mention of the Hellfire arises in the most pointed discussions on mercy in the Quran. For instance, Surat ar-Raḥmān is an illustration of God’s mercy from beginning to end, and yet it does not omit a short description of the Hellfire before a much lengthier description of the perpetual ecstasy of Paradise. This teaches us a necessary fundamental truth about the divine reality: God’s mercy is operative in all His actions and decisions, and detectable everywhere for those who reflect.

Conclusion

Consider the human being: dependent on Allah in every way imaginable. Consider how the blood pumped by each of your heartbeats is entirely dependent on Him; every blood cell has a fatal potential that only His mercy prevents. Consider the water He orders the clouds to release; every drop not choking or poisoning you is a separate mercy from Him. Consider a lifetime of smiles, restful sleeps, and close calls – all by His mercy. Consider how He draws nearer to His creation by all these bursts of His mercy, and then waits on them for ages while having no need for them; simply because He is the Profoundly Loving (al-Wadūd). Consider how He provided one scripture after another, refusing to withhold mercy from the latter generations each time their predecessors betrayed the covenants and trusts. Consider how He accepts someone who rejects His greatest mercy, the Revelation, for an entire lifetime, and may have even persecuted people for believing in it, after a single tear of apology on their deathbed. Consider how He cannot be harmed, nor fears anyone’s retaliation, and yet He defers punishment, permitting millions of chances to forget His servants’ insolence and repeated treachery. As the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, “Allah has written a statement, prior to creating the creation, and it is written there with Him atop the throne: Certainly, My mercy supersedes My anger.”[34] Consider how He obligated Himself with being unparalleled in His mercy, simply because He loves mercy and is the Infinitely Merciful (ar-Raḥmān). Finally, consider how anyone sentenced to the Hellfire by a God of this nature must have certainly doomed themselves. “Indeed, Allah does not wrong people at all, but it is the people who are wronging themselves.”[35]

A Muslim needs to get settled on this principle which their faith and clarity requires, enhancing it to where it can instantly dismiss any notion that challenges it. In an era of unhinged criticism of religion and God, being anchored in certainty that Allah is more merciful with you, and with anyone whose fate you wonder about, than a mother is with her child, is not a given. It is generated by routine visits to His final revelation for contemplation, and nourishing your spiritual perceptions through ritual devotion.

We ask Allah to spare us from His justice, which we certainly deserve, due to our hope in His vast mercy, and our hope of being enveloped in it by His loving grace. Âmeen.

Note: Other dimensions of the “Hellfire Question” will be featured in future papers in shâ’ Allāh (God willing), such as the issue of infinite punishment for finite crimes, and whether the Hellfire is actually everlasting or not.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / One last doubt.
« on: September 26, 2017, 07:47:38 AM »
This is my very last doubt before all my misconceptions in Islam is cleared up.

Is the story of Harut and Marut a creation myth or superstition?
I just need answer on this.

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and another "Strong Ex-Muslim debater" as the Disbelievers say down

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1URfwY4D3xWKL5EtEFBGFQAnr3KLB48bwRxOaApnFTHw/edit

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A doubt
« on: September 25, 2017, 11:29:36 PM »
So basically my question was that he claimed that men have the superiority over women according to hadith and women cannot divorce men even if the men are abusive,so I really needed an answer to this claim.

“Divorce is the right of the one who seizes the leg (i.e., consummates the marriage)” i.e., the husband.
(Narrated by Ibn Maajah, 2081; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 2041).

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Any woman who asks her husband for a divorce with no reason, the fragrance of Paradise will be forbidden to her.” Narrated by Ahmad (21874), Abu Dawood (2226) and al-Tirmidhi (1187); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel (2035).

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A doubt
« on: September 25, 2017, 11:09:21 PM »
Sorry,I was sleepy when I was doing that,okay so anyways I was making a whole article to publish online to refute him completely,so I really wanted people to review the articles,these are refutation to all his core issues he listed on his sites,etc,I have also found another inconsistency,I was about to quit debating,but I returned since this issue was bothering until while refuting his articles I realized hes just copying mostly from WikiIslam.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: A doubt
« on: September 25, 2017, 08:45:23 PM »
And this

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / A doubt
« on: September 25, 2017, 08:42:52 PM »
Since this is my last day,I will be going through Abdullah Sameer articles and trying to refute his arguments so


<Infidel's link removed>

Can you disprove this?

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / My last day in Debates and Politics
« on: September 25, 2017, 02:47:10 PM »
Basically,I wanted to tell you,Im gonna quit debating and getting into politics,the issue is, I dont really wanna debate or discuss about such things that much anymore,its starting to get boring so I'm gonna stop being involved in arguments too much,don't get me wrong I'll still stay a Muslim, but I just dont see the point in debating anymore I want to live as a normal Muslim rather than arguing too much, Im sick of all the death threats,the insults,etc so from now on I'll be a simple Muslim I will be on here,but very very rarely,like once a month or so,

so yeah,I wont be debating or anything anymore and Ill keep my faith as something i follow Personally rather than you know,Debating and arguing on it or for it,I'll keep it as something I personally follow or believe as the truth.


These have been a good 2 years into these kind of things but I just want to go back to who I'm infact,I'm not even that Old I'm only 15 believe it or not.

So from now on I wont be debating or anything that much anymore,my faith will be something I believe personally, so yeah, Goodbye and Masalama

Allah yerhamak to all the people who helped me here on my doubts,etc I will use this site as answers for doubts,but I wont use it to debate or disprove anything,

so yeah, goodbye and Salam,I wont be debating or arguing or refuting anything anymore.

-AMuslimDude213/Ahmed.

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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: mary trinity
« on: September 25, 2017, 01:42:03 PM »
One common verse that Christians always bring up is:

“And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, 'Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.” [Qur'an 5:116]

Christians often argue that this verse is wrong, and the prophet Muhammad miss-understood what true Christian theology teaches. They also post this verse:

“O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.” [Qur'an 4:171]

Christians then say that the prophet Muhammad did not understand the true concept of the trinity and got it wrong. I am sure most Muslims have heard this argument over and over again. In this article we will simply examine how some Christians acted towards Mary and will then compare it with the Quran to see if there are any problems.

Firstly this verse:

“O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.” [Qur'an 4:171]

Contains no errors, the verse is telling Christians to not say three, which is what they always say, three as in trinity. As we see it is wrong according to the Quran.

They also like to quote this verse as well:

“They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.” [Quran, 5:73]

They like to claim that the three being mentioned here are Mary, Jesus, and Allah; they then argue this is a wrong picture of the trinity therefore the prophet Muhammad got it wrong.

As we shall shortly see, the Quran is not in error at all regarding Mary:

http://www.catholicconcerns.com/...

“As a faithful Catholic, and later as a nun, I was devoted to Mary. The prayers and practices were so familiar. They were taught to me by sincere people. I prayed the rosary, including rosary novenas. I wore a Brown Scapular and a Miraculous Medal. (You can read about these things in the Glossary, which is Appendix C.) I visited shrines that honor Mary. I had beautiful statues of Mary. I attended special services where we prayed to Mary and recited a litany of titles honoring her. I read books about apparitions of Mary, and dreamed of visiting Lourdes and Fatima. I participated in processions honoring Mary. A statue of Mary was put on a platform that was decorated with flowers. There were poles on the platform, so that men could carry it. The men walked through the streets, carrying the statue on the platform. We walked behind the statue, singing songs in Mary’s honor.

When Pope John Paul II was shot, while the ambulance was rushing him to the hospital, the Pope was not praying to God or calling on the name of Jesus. He kept saying, over and over: "Mary, my mother!" Polish pilgrims placed a picture of Our Lady of Czestochowa on the throne where the Pope normally sat. People gathered around the picture. Vatican loudspeakers broadcasted the prayers of the rosary. When the Pope recovered, he gave Mary all the glory for saving his life, and he made a pilgrimage to Fatima to publicly thank her. (Note 4)

One popular prayer in Mary’s honor is the "Hail Holy Queen," which is known in Latin as the "Salve Regina". It is traditionally included as part of praying the rosary.

"Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary."

Alfonsus de Liguori (1696-1787) was a principal proponent of the Marianist Movement, which glorifies Mary. He wrote a book entitled "The Glories of Mary" which is famous, influential and widely read. In this book, de Liguori says that Mary was given rulership over one half of the kingdom of God; Mary rules over the kingdom of mercy and Jesus rules over the kingdom of justice. De Liguori said that people should pray to Mary as a mediator and look to her as an object of trust for answered prayer. The book even says that there is no salvation outside of Mary. Some people suggest that these views are extreme and not representative of Catholic Church teaching. However, instead of silencing de Liguori as a heretic, the Catholic Church canonized him as a saint and declared him to be a "doctor of the Church" (a person whose teachings carry weight and authority). Furthermore, his book is openly and officially promoted by the Catholic Church, and his teachings have influenced popes. (Note 9)

Pope Benedict XV said of Mary that "One can justly say that with Christ, she herself redeemed mankind." (Note 10) Pope Pius IX said: "Our salvation is based upon the holy Virgin... so that if there is any hope and spiritual healing for us we receive it solely and uniquely from her." (Note 11)

So note how this person explains how Catholics WORSHIP Mary, and look to her as a God, I mean they put their salvation in Mary!

Now Christians may be saying well this is wrong, and that Catholics are committing blasphemy, EXACTLY! The Quran makes sure it condemns all forms of blasphemy, just because this is not the trinity everyone is familiar with does not mean the Quran cannot condemn it. Secondly, there are lots of Catholics and there have been a lot of Mary worshippers throughout history so to say this is just a minor issue is an under-statement, this is something widely practiced.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/...

Mary's Divine motherhood

Mary's Divine motherhood is based on the teaching of the Gospels, on the writings of the Fathers, and on the express definition of the Church. St. Matthew (1:25) testifies that Mary "brought forth her first-born son" and that He was called Jesus. According to St. John (1:15) Jesus is the Word made flesh, the Word Who assumed human nature in the womb of Mary. As Mary was truly the mother of Jesus, and as Jesus was truly God from the first moment of His conception, Mary is truly the mother of God. Even the earliest Fathers did not hesitate to draw this conclusion as may be seen in the writings of St. Ignatius [72], St. Irenaeus [73], and Tertullian [74]. The contention of Nestorius denying to Mary the title "Mother of God" [75] was followed by the teaching of the Council of Ephesus proclaiming Mary to be Theotokos in the true sense of the word. [76]

Early writings

For the attitude of the Churches of Asia Minor and of Lyons we may appeal to the words of St. Irenaeus, a pupil of St. John's disciple Polycarp [145]; he calls Mary our most eminent advocate. St. Ignatius of Antioch, part of whose life reached back into apostolic times, wrote to the Ephesians (c. 18-19) in such a way as to connect the mysteries of Our Lord's life more closely with those of the Virgin Mary. For instance, the virginity of Mary, and her childbirth, are enumerated with Christ's death, as forming three mysteries unknown to the devil. The sub-apostolic author of the Epistle to Diognetus, writing to a pagan inquirer concerning the Christian mysteries, describes Mary as the great antithesis of Eve, and this idea of Our Lady occurs repeatedly in other writers even before the Council of Ephesus. We have repeatedly appealed to the words of St. Justin and Tertullian, both of whom wrote before the end of the second century.

As it is admitted that the praises of Mary grow with the growth of the Christian community, we may conclude in brief that the veneration of and devotion to Mary began even in the time of the Apostles.

Let us now examine the dates of those Church Fathers who held Mary in such a high honorable position, as a Goddess you could say:

St. Ignatius of Antioch

Also called Theophorus (ho Theophoros); born in

Syria, around the year 50; died at Rome between 98 and 117.

St. Irenaeus

Information as to his life is scarce, and in some measure inexact. He was born in Proconsular Asia, or at least in some province bordering thereon, in the first half of the second century; the exact date is controverted, between the years 115 and 125, according to some, or, according to others, between 130 and 142

Tertullian

His conversion was not later than the year 197, and may have been earlier. He embraced the Faith with all the ardour of his impetuous nature. He became a priest, no doubt of the Church of Carthage. Monceaux, followed by d'Ales, considers that his earlier writings were composed while he was yet a layman, and if this be so, then his ordination was about 200. His extant writings range in date from the apologetics of 197 to the attack on a bishop who is probably Pope Callistus (after 218). It was after the year 206 that he joined the Montanist sect, and he seems to have definitively separated from the Church about 211 (Harnack) or 213 (Monceaux). After writing more virulently against the Church than even against heathen and persecutors, he separated from the Montanists and founded a sect of his own. The remnant of the Tertullianists was reconciled to the Church by St. Augustine. A number of the works of Tertullian are on special points of belief or discipline. According to St. Jerome he lived to extreme old age.

Council of Ephesus

The third ecumenical council, held in 431.

So all these Church Fathers and Council which did see Mary as divine, all took place before Islam came and was revealed. Hence the Quran was merely exposing this wrong blasphemous belief of the worship of Mary, and making her into a divine being something she was not.

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I doubt he was even Muslim :/ it seems all made up name-only Muslim really..

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Simple plagiarisation with no credit,nothing.

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Yeah I realized after a bit of re-reading in it,

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