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Quote from: mclinkin94 on December 01, 2013, 01:55:12 AM

I remember earlier that you were working on translating a book revealing the numerical structure of the Quran through the number 19. I was wondering if you had finished or when you will finish?

I'm looking forward to that one

As'salamu Alaikum dear brother,

I've gone through 2/3 of the book, and gathered in an XLS file a little over 1200 records.  The XLS file will grow.  Each record or two is/are a Miracle example made up of a set of Noble Verses.  I visually processed 200 records so far.  It's a long tedious project, but I will get it Insha'Allah.  There are also 30 TV episodes which I've only translated 2 in both audio and video.  I used Ivona Reader to accomplish this. 

I used to be full of energy when I was much younger.  But as you grow older, your body slows down, and tasks of this kind just put you to sleep.  This is why they say it's much harder to go back to school at older age than at younger age.  I will get it all done Insha'Allah.  I was hoping to finish this project by the end of this year.  But it looks like it'll extend to the end of the next one.  I am working on it though every weekend.  I just finished my 200 mark yesterday.  I was going to start posting my work sometime in early December, Insha'Allah.  It's already December 1st.  So I will start publishing my work on the website, insha'Allah.  Hopefully this will motivate me more .

Thank you for checking back on this project, dear brother.  It's certainly helpful.

Take care,
Osama Abdallah

May Allah give you the strength to continue your work and may he bless you!

We need you and your efforts!  :D

Zeitgeist has been debunked here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4

Don't believe everything you see.

This has been a very interesting thread to follow 

I hope this debate continues. I know it is very hard for people to let go of thing they were brought up believing, but I think it is important to search for truth and nothing but. That means we shouldn't be making excuses for what the Quran supports or not, it should be entirely on logic and reason, not excuse making.

You can ask any scientist or visit any peer-reviewed journal for this information: Evolutionary, we can say that life formed from the Earth (or what became to be the earth). Their mode of reproduction was asexual. Then sexual reproduction occurred which allowed for more variation and more complexity in organisms. Through sexual reproduction, more variation more mutation occurred and allowed extremely complex multicellular organisms capable of thought, like humans to develop. These are known facts.

The Quran highlights this in Quran 32:7-9 (That what this post has been about mostly).

Quran 32:7 Who made good/better everything which He created and began the creation of man from clay.

^Creation began out of the Earth. Notice the word "began", That means that Allah started creation from the Earth.

Quran 32:8 Then He made his posterity out of the extract of a liquid disdained.

^THEN, sexual reproduction formed. (so life began forming and then sexual reproduction occured)

Quran 32:9 Then He proportioned him and breathed into him from His [created] soul and made for you hearing and vision and hearts; little are you grateful.

^After the development of sexual reproduction, we were further proportioned and given higher intelligence. (Note: This verse is also referring to Adam-the father of the first group of humans who got sexually isolated from the others. This verse is referring to Adam as well because he was proportioned and given higher intelligence just as other Quranic verses say).


OUt of all of the scientific facts the Quran has, this one is THE. STRONGEST. ONE.

This one definitely beats some of the other scientific miracles in the Quran. This one is absolutely immense in accuracy! Here you have Allah highlighting how he created us and the steps he used. He tells us that he started out creation from the Earth, then sexual reproduction developed and then humans formed. Well-said!

Assalamualykum.


 http://rationalislam.blogspot.com/2012/11/speed-of-light-miracle-in-qurandebunked.html


 Brothers please refute the above article.

There is a big problem with this article!

The Islamic character never calculated light speed from the time dilation equation, it only used it to calculate the speed of the angels. Then we compared it to the speed of angels at 12000 Lunar Orbits/Earth Day; it is the same speed in km/sec...

Ignorance at a larger degree, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB7EZ5fgr4I&list=TL8KTou2Rr2pg8YxQ3H_vP2Q2mhL-1kB_F

[Quran 31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

Have not I said that you'd go as low as to forge verses in Quran and explain it in absurd ways ? Not even one translation here says what you claim :
http://quran.com/31/6
You're just so desperate to say "I'm right and you're wrong" even if it's by altering what's in Quran for your own selfish liking . That is why someone must be here to clarify to people that what you do is nothing of Islam . And get this , Quran is nothing like the corrupted books of Jews and Christians , one try and you'll get busted . Let alone if it's with someone who speaks the native language of the book . [/quote]

Did you not see my point? This Quranic verse is exactly what you are doing. Upholding baseless hadith and diverting others from the path of God.....By upholding hadiths that deny evolution, you divert others from the path of God.

So I am Forging evidene. Quran 31:6 says "hadith". Hadith is obviously translated as idle talk, because the ahadith IS idle talk....

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1.) The majority contradict Science and reality (unless you wanna say that you should dip your fly in the drink twice or that on the 6th day of Friday afternoon Allah created humans).

My God ! Never thought you were THAT ignorant ! We take it as a scientific miracle and you see it as an error ?!
First of all o one who holds no shred of shame , just because you feel disgusted it doesn't mean that this saying is wrong .

You take Allah creating Humans on friday afternoon and dipping your fly in the drink as a scientific miracle? I don't know what textbook your reading.

Secondly , I'll just give you the link and let you see how you reject things based on your liking .
http://www.kaheel7.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=537
And I swear to the lord that anything you call an "error" is in a similar way . It doesn't go like this . We won't discard a major part of Islam just because you mister are "grossed" . If so , villagers would stop drinking milk right after milking a cow because the spoiled are disgusted .

I like what this article has to day, but dipping your fly in your drink a second time is not going to clean the drink up for you as the hadiths implies. This actually further supports my point,  the prophet said something similar to that, but it got wrongfully transmitted and the meaning therefore changed.

Just like the telephone game that we played back in grade school.

Says who ? The guy who doesn't know the first thing about this science ?! If you really read Quran - and you clearly don't - you would have immediately accepted it , but desires are dangerous indeed .

I said the science of hadith (hadith collection) is not a science its an art. It is not a perfect science, we find sahih hadiths contradictory....that proves my point.

A - Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."
B - O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.
C - And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you,
D - O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin.

In the first one , Quran gives instructions to ask for evidence in anything and not accept whatever told . In the second one , Quran tells us to be investigate what we are told . In the third one , Quran tells us to be patient in investigating evidence . In the fourth one , Quran tells us to not accuse with no proof .
Now , these rules are done correctly by the scholars of Hadith while you who deny Sunnah do the opposite . You don't follow the third one which tells us to be patient in finding evidence . When one writes Hadith , he travels great distances to make sure of every single piece of information he is told . And you who sit in your house with air conditioning have no right object on this method . And when it comes to the forth one , Allah tells us to avoid negative assumptions while you simply say Hadith is corrupted and that the writers are liars and hypocrites . You even go to call the companions hypocrites !![/quote]

First one: Agreed. YOu got evidence for evolution and the nonsense of hadiths
Second one:Agreed. Investigate everything you are told. That include evolution and the Quranic support thereof!
Third one: I follow you there, perhaps I am inpatient--that doesn't invalidate my evidence though.
Fourth one: I never accuse without evidence

You said that they tried really hard to make the hadiths good---how does that mean that hadiths are perfect and how does that mean that EVERYONE did that.

Lastly, I didn't make an assumption with hadiths. I say they are unreliable and I back that up with reasonable claims.

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3.) Internal contradictions exist within ''sahih'' hadiths (We all testify to this)

Congrats , you made me say it after refraining from it for a while : Testify my foot ! Since when did "You" mean "We all" ?
The same as what you call errors , they are based on your own weak understanding and "unwillingness" . And every single time you open your mouth you'll only prove it more .

I meant reasonable people testify that there are contradictions in hadiths. There are. There is proof.

I dont' think it is unwillingness when a hadiths says if A then B. And another hadiths says If A then C.

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4.) The Quran tells you to not follow any other hadith except the Quran. (MANY MANY times did the Quran tell you that it is the only truth).

You lie . And what a big lie it is . Quran tells time and time again to follow what the prophet says because it is also the revelation of the almighty . You with your upside down logic change what the signs mean to match what you claim . I won't repeat unless necessary .

Lets see if I lied: I already given reasons as to why. Remember my analysis of Quranic verse. It will be below in this post (I quoted mine)

Do they divert others from the path of God?

Yes they do, because people understand the fact of evolution in which hadiths contradict. Muslims then force a hadith interpretation to the Quran that is rather contradictory to the Quran and reality and is dishonest. A fair and honest reading of the Quran brings you in support of evolution. Excuse making brings you in support of the hadiths.[/quote]
Irrelevant rant based on claiming that the myth of "evolution" is a gospel . [/quote]

That is absolutely relevant. The Quran said that through following hadiths, you will divert others from God. That is because the hadiths you uphold are false. This is happening as we speak. Quran brings you in support of evolution. Hadiths don't. So they divert others from Islam.

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Indeed the Quran tells us to obey the messenger. But what is the messenger's SOLE duty:

"And obey God and obey the messenger and be cautious; but if you turn back, then know that the sole duty of the messenger is the deliverance (of the message)" 5:92

"And obey God and obey the messenger, but if you turn back, then upon Our messenger is the sole duty of the clear delivery (of the message)" 64:12

..to deliver the message.

Here is the logic:

Premise one: We must obey the messenger
Premise two: The messenger's sole duty is the deliver the message (the message is in verses of the Quran as the Quran also states, the Quran does not say the message is also the oral hadiths)

Conclusion: Therefore we must only obey the message (Quran) in which the messenger has came with.

And you want to delude yourself and others that what the prophet says is not a revelation ? Again , you're the most ignorant of Quran which you claim to follow :

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1 By the star when it descends, 2 Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, 3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. 4 It is not but a revelation revealed,

So obeying the messenger is by necessity leading to obey what he says . Twist it however you like , that's what it is and that's what the nation understood until this species called "Sunnah rejecters" showed up .

Bro, please go back and address my arguments. I am not twisting, I swear I am not twisting anything. I am being reasonable here, doing nothing but a rational and honest analysis of the Quran.  Please go back and refute this argument.

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"Say (O Muhammad), "What is the greatest testimony?" Say, "God is witness between me and you that this Quran has been inspired to me to warn you with it and whomever it reaches." 6:19

This testimony which God describes as "Akbar Shahada" (the Greatest Testimony) commands Muhammad to testify that He received the Quran from God. This testimony speaks of only one revelation received by Muhammad from God which is the Quran. If Muhammad truly received other revelations from God (other than the Quran), would we not find any mention of it in the Quran? Would God hide the fact that He gave Muhammad a revelation independent of the Quran and then command us to obey it?

In what world does this sign deny any kind of revelation aside from Quran ? I'll take the logic lessons a little easy and make it step by step :
1 - A guy gets a basket of different kinds of fruits
2 - He says "I got orange"
3 - That in no universe mean he didn't get anything but orange
And I told you over a hundred time how Quran orders us to obey the prophet .

While indeed your logical analysis makes sense, it is not the case with the Quran and I will explain why. NOT once did the Quran say that we are to follow Hadiths in which people said about the prophets. Call me crazy, but, If Allah wanted us to do such, he would have told us to do such.

Think about it this way, If Allah intended that we are to follow the Quran and other revelations, would Allah not make that clear in the Quran? What if Allah's intention was to have us follow the Quran, how would he word his verses--the same way he did.

Telling us the prophet's ONLY duty is to give the message and specifying that the message is the Quran. Why didn't he specify that the message is also gonna be in hadith form??

That is how I see it.

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You see that: A completely honest interpretation of the Quran. No excuse making, nothing but the Quran explaining itself. If Allah, the all knowing, all mighty creator wanted you to follow those Hadiths, why didn't he specifically tell us to follow things outside of the Quran? Why did he tell us exactly the opposite.

What I see is a load of rant produced out of a deep hatred of what doesn't match your selfish desires . What I also see is a load of nonsense which you try to make look "scientific" .

I don't see that at all. I see that as a completely honest interpretation as you will see.

And yet again , for over the fifth time maybe , I'll bring what you keep running away from :

running away from? What? I have never done such a thing.

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Now let me give you some points demolishing your faith of denying Sunnah .

1 -You claim that Quran says it is the only source . Then why does Quran itself tells us to ask others ?

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And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We inspired - Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not! -

2 - The ones who wrote Hadith did follow the teachings of Quran and used its way .


3 - History mentions a huge range of claims and accusations against Quran and else . Why don't we EVER hear about deniers of Sunnah in the time of the prophet peace upon him and his companions ? Why didn't anyone at all say that we must ONLY follow Quran and abandon anything else ? You talk about baseless theories accusing Hadith and I'm talking rationally here . If this path you're going down is really true , then how come no one noticed ? There's a difference between different explanations of verses and between an essential matter such as this .


4 - Through this method which you hate so much and make fun of , we know that there is a man called "Muhammad" and that there are people who lived with him called "Companions" and that Allah sent a book to him called "Quran" . So without this method , we loose our history . And based on that , anyone can deny that there was ever a man called Muhammad - peace upon him - and and deny that there were companions . In fact , anyone can deny anything with this method you follow . I for example can deny that there was world war one . How can you ever object on me ? I didn't see it and only heard about it from people who heard about it from others . Then it must be a fable .

I will go at it one by one:

1.) This Quranic verse is telling us to find proof that the Quran is true by asking others. By investigating. This is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make.

I also wanted to say something about another verse that I know you will bring up:
"O you believe, obey God and obey the messenger and also those in charge among you"

You use the words "those in charge among you" in order to claim that the religious guru's have a right according to the Quran to have authority over the people and that they should be obeyed without question.

The term "those in charge among you" covers a wide variety of people. In order to determine who is actually entitled to have rightful authority over us, it would be quite logical to assert that this authority must be in accordance to God's law, in other words it must be a God given authority, and not an authority that is self claimed.

The following are some examples of rightful and righteous authority that is in harmony with the Quranic teachings:

• For a young boy/girl they should obey their parents who have authority over them during their younge dependent years.
• For a wife, she must obey her husband (in righteousness) as God decreed in the Quran.
• For an employee, he/she must obey their boss who has authority over them, but only within the framework of the profession
• For citizens, they must obey the established authorities (e.g. the courts, the police, etc). They must obey the law of the land as long as it does not violate God's law.

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2.) Obviously not because you have hadiths that contradict the QUran. Also not everyone is a perfect follower of Quran. Also there were obviously those who fabricated hadiths who weren't even Muslim. Also there are also hypocrites. Further there is also an extremely important point! The Quran is for all times and places as it states. So the science of the Quran could not have been known by hadith writers, so they put THEIR interpretation of the Quran in hadiths (like flat earth and other nonsense)..Do I have to go on?

3.) That is because the prophet Muhammad was completely following the Quran and made nothing new. He made no innovations. So if the prophet was following the Quran (that is a MUST) then everyone else was following the Quran. There was no "external sunnah", the Quran is the only sunnah. All of the nonsense you hear in hadiths are innovations and made and laws by the hadith makers. All the prophet did was clear up any problems the companions had with the Quran.

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book (the Quran) fully detailed ?" 6:114 The Quran is fully detailed when it comes to religious matters and a source of law........If you say otherwise, then you are rejecting the Quran. How exactly can you reasonably avoid this?? The only way out is through excuse making...

4.) You are presenting a reason to believe in hadiths, because they provide History. I tell you its not true history its false history.

Further denying WW1 is ridiculous as we have evidence and even pictures. Denying a war from 1000+ years ago is more reasonable.


I hope we can reach a consensus.

: To Him belongs what is in the heavens and on earth, and all between them, and all beneath the soil.(20:6)


 Can anyone explain what Allah meant by ''and all between them'' ?

  Stars, planets, suns, moons, atmosphere, clouds everything is within the boundary of the lowest heaven not in between the earth and the heaven . Moreover earth itself is within the lowest Heaven. So what's the meaning of this verse.


Please help.

Salam,

Picture the Earth as a place and picture ALL that is above/around the earth as a place (heavens). He created the Earth and the Heavens, and ALL that exists between.

When God says that He created the Heavens, Earth and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN (including you and me) in six days this means that He is referring to the period of existence. Earth has been in existence for 2 days (out of 6) as Quran 41:9 states. The Quran in many places says that the universe is 6 days. That means the universe has existed for 6 days/periods at the time of the Quranic revelation. This is (again) because it says that Allah created everything in between the Earth and the Universe in 6 days--that means that ALL of the creatures that were currently present at the time of Quranic revelation. New creations have occurred after that time, new planets were formed and they became everything in between the heavens and the Earth. That meant that after a long period of time, Allah would say that he created the Earth and the heavens and everything in between in 7+ days.

n God's Throne time, Earth is 2 days old while the Heavens, Earth and everything in between are 6 days old. This makes the age of Earth to be one third the age of the universe (2/6 = 1/3). Similarly in Earth time, the age of Earth is 4.567 billion years while the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years; this is also one third (4.567 bln/13.7 bln = 1/3). So it is the same ratio in Earth time or in God's Throne time [8]. The theory of general relativity explains why time at God's Throne passes slower than on Earth. General relativity explains why 6 days passed at God's Throne but we measured it as 13.7 billion years (that is each day at God's Throne measures around 2.28 billion years on Earth).

Hope that clears it up.

I noticed in your posts that you are very interested in space/astronomy. I have something great for you!

Quran 41:9-12 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds.", And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask, Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly.", And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

So these verses say that Allah created the Earth in 2 days. Allah also put on the earth mountains. Allah also determined/decreed the Earth's sustenance in 4 days! In here you see that Allah has determined all the sustenance of the Earth in 4 days, then (after he determined the sustenance) he made the heavens and the earth to come into existence. And they came to existence as "dukhan"---SMOKE, GAS!. The accuracy here is AMAZING! Science testifies to this.

Here is the timeline:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------=6 days
-----------------------------------------------------4--------------------------2
*Period in which Allah determined Earth's
Sustenance (4 days).

                                                                       *Earth existed after that 4 day period for 2 days.

So Allah decreed Earth's formation to be 4 days since the universe's creation...after he determined everything, he made everything come to existence.