Wa Alaikum As'salam dear brother Mclinkin94,
The Witness system is deeply rooted in Islam, in both the Glorious Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Here are some of the Noble Verses:
[002:204] Among people are the likes of the ones whose suave talk about this world charms and astounds you. He (professes good intentions and) invokes Allah as the witness over what exists in his heart. But (in reality) he is the most dogged and quarrelsome opponent.
[002:282] Oh you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed term, reduce it to writing. Let a scribe record the terms in a fair manner. The scribe whom Allah has taught to write should not refuse to write. He should record (the transaction). The one who incurs the debt should spell out the terms. He should fear Allah and not omit anything. If the borrower lacks understanding, or is feeble (minded), or is otherwise unable to dictate, then his guardian should dictate (the conditions of the loan) in a fair manner. Call upon two of your men to act as witnesses (to the contract). Should two men not be available (to act as witnesses), then take one man and two women _ if one of them errs, the other would remind her (women back then were not specialized in financial and mathematical transactions. Men were far more experienced and superior in knowledge) _ that are acceptable to you as witnesses. The witnesses should not refuse if called upon to testify. Do not neglect to write down (all) the (specific) terms (and provisions) of the contract, be they small or big. That, according to Allah is a more reliable evidence, and more likely to dispel doubts (and suspicions). You bear no sin if you fail to record the on-the-spot exchange of goods for cash, that goes on between you (all the time). But, take witnesses when you enter into a commercial contract. Do not harass or harm the scribe or the witnesses. It would be wicked and immoral for you to do so. Fear Allah! (Of course) Allah teaches you (righteousness). Allah has full knowledge of every single thing!
[003:053] "Our Lord, we believe in that which You have revealed, and we follow the messenger. So enroll us among those who bear witness (to the truth)."
[005:107] Later, if it comes to light that the two witnesses merit (the suspicion of) sin, then let two others from among the rightful heirs (of the deceased) take the place of the earlier witnesses. Let them swear by Allah (saying), "Our testimony is truer and more valid than their testimony, and we do not stray beyond the bounds (of truth). Else, we would be the evil doers."
[006:150] Say, "Present your witnesses! Could anyone testify that it is Allah Who has forbidden (all) this?" Even if they do testify (falsely), don't you bear witness with them. Do not follow the whims and wishes of those who reject Our revelations _ those who do not believe in the life-to-come, and deem others as being equal to their Lord.
(I will provide more Noble Verses. I put those together quickly. I will elaborate on this point more by updating this post with move Noble Verses and point, Insha'Allah)
There are many other Noble Verses that speak about producing genuine Witness and relying on genuine Witness. If a Muslim or a community of Muslims Witnesses the time for Prayer or Fasting, then it becomes obligatory upon the others to follow.
But bro Osama, none of these verses speak about prayer. They are just different verses in different contexts that contain the word witness in them. They don't seem to correlate with sunrise/sunset times of prayer (unless I am missing something).
Your points are thoroughly responded to there. The so many different SUNRISES and SUNSETS that Allah Almighty has Created in the Universe, and over all of the planets including our planet earth, since it was mentioned in the same Noble Verse, clearly prove that you are to work with the Sunrise and Sunset that is given to you. Prayer and Fasting are obligatory upon all Muslims. So Muslims would have to figure out the times for Praying and Fasting no mater which SUNRISE and SUNSET points they may be in.
But there are planets in the universe without suns. There are also planets which have days that last as years. There are planets that are too far from the sun etc. Of course you could figure out the timings of sunrise and sunset IN mecca and pray there at your given planet. That seems to be a solution. But if we are to go to the different sunrises and sunsets of different planets, the times could be shortened or extended. There are planets that have very short days, that means the people living there would be praying every 5 minutes! And there would be others that pray once in a few years! That doesn't seem to do justice.
So as to your quote above "Moon rise and moon set wouldn't be considered a sunrise/sunset for 6 months as per Quran", that is not true at all. The Holy Quran did say that this is a different sunrise and sunset. Therefore, you would have to figure out your times during the day:
1- When is your morning (Fajr, Subh).
2- When is noon (Thuhur).
3- When is your Asr (after noon or midday).
4- When is your maghrib (evening).
5- When is your Isha (night).
The Fajr and Subh, Thuhur, Asr, Maghrib and Isha are all Islamic time-points for Prayer, and also for determining Fasting. So if you live in a land that has a different type of SUNRISE and SUNSET, then you'll have to figure out those times based on the daily rises and settings of that land, whether it is from the sun or the moon.
We could already figure out the times, we don't need the moon anymore
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, the issue was that the Quran hasn't told us what to do in that event. The skeptic's conclusion is that the Quran was unaware of such an event. Unfortunately, that conclusion does not follow from the premise. Common sense is left out of the Quran, because all humans can adapt. The Quran didn't tell us what to do if you don't have arms or legs to prostrate to Allah--it doesn't meant the Quran was unaware of such people living.
Let me ask you and ask every Muslim and skeptic this question: Since we today could live to see the day where humans will establish a colony on planet Mars, then could you honestly sit here brother Mclinkin94 and say that the Noble Verses that spoke about Allah Almighty is the LORD OF ALL OF THE SUNRISES AND SUNSETS on all of the planets in the Universe, and all of the points on earth, wouldn't apply to life on Mars?
No, of course not. But that verse does not say that ALL places have sunrises and sunsets
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. As far as colonization to Mars, the mars day and night cycle isn't that bad, but I would say if I were on mars, I would be praying at sunrise AT mecca. What do you think about that?
In other words, could not the humans there now figure out the proper times for Fasting and Prayer on Mars using the day and night cycles there, and to the best of their calculations and estimations? Did not Allah Almighty also Say the following Noble Verses:
No, I agree that it is possible, but the issue is justice. Many people would be fasting for 20 hours and others only for 8 hours. Also many people would have to be praying once a year and many five times a day if we were all to follow the day and night cycles there.
[010:005] He is the One who rendered the sun radiant, and the moon a light, and He designed its phases that you may learn to count the years and to calculate. GOD did not create all this, except for a specific purpose. He explains the revelations for people who know.
Agreed! Imagine if humans existed in a different world with different laws of physics in which there would be no phases or anything to determine time. I think that would actually slow down human progress.
So why can't we calculate the times for Fasting and Prayers when it is difficult for us to do it with normal Day and Night Cycles? Please visit:
We can, but the issue is, it appears as if we have to follow the prayer times AT mecca for the varying sunrises and sunsets of the worlds. Allah is the lord of the sunrises and sunsets of the worlds, but perhaps he made us pray at THE sunrise and sunset AT mecca.
I feel like this is the best solution as everything varies. Is there any indication in the Quran that we are to pray at the times IN mecca?