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« on: April 05, 2017, 09:19:07 PM »
Corrections: "Hod" = God "UNCLOVEN HOOF being unlawful for jews" unlawful= lawful.
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« on: April 05, 2017, 08:40:52 PM »
not only is camel meat HEALTHY but it provide low colesterial which is excellent for heart patients and is also Very rich in protien and vitamins. It is also recommended by doctors for consumption.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/livingwellinthe21stcentury.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/96/amp/
As we can see from scientific evidence rabbit and camel meat and BOTH low in colesterial and high in protiens and vitamins. This are indeed as Quran(14:116) mentions "GOOD."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/livingwellinthe21stcentury.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/96/amp/
As we can see from scientific evidence rabbit and camel meat and BOTH low in colesterial and high in protiens and vitamins. This are indeed as Quran(14:116) mentions "GOOD."
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« on: April 05, 2017, 08:31:14 PM »
I hate to say this i an trying to find contridiction in the leviticus text itself, i thought the rabbit not being hoofed but pawed might work out, but i ran into this.
"27 And whatsoever goeth upon its paws, among all beasts that go on all fours, they are unclean unto you; whoso toucheth their carcass shall be unclean until the even.
So OT does clearly specifiy rabbit as being unclean for jews.
But here is the thing forget about both hoof and cud. Just use the quran and show how the dietry restrictions for muslims and jews were different. Meaning the Quranic verses that i meantioned to u before does indeed refute David Woods claims.
He claimed that zakir naik used leviticus and deuteronomy to show that pig are unclean, but in same chapter mention rabbit and camel as being unclean. Since jesus pbuh claimed he did not come break the law of prophets but to fulfil, meaning fulfil the laws of torah, since prophet muhammad pbuh in David Woods claim is that since be broke the Law the torah by eating rabbit and camel meat, he prophet muhammad pbuh cannot be a prophet.
Refuttations:
1. Zakir naik used leviticus and dueteronomy to show that people of the book shouldn't eat pigs. - anyone with a shred of honestly and understanding can tell Zakir Naik was trying to help christians understand that u cannot eat pigs. This subject has nothing to do with prophet muhammad pbuh. Since David Woods went to other verses and made a different claim, he is scapegoating and cherry picking rather then being honest about that christians shouldn't be eating pork
2. Leviticus and Dueteronomy show that it is unlawful to eat rabbit and camel meat because in OT it claims it is unclean. - here is what quran says what allah swt prohibited jews from eating: Quran[6:146]"And to those who are Jews We prohibited every animal of uncloven hoof; and of the cattle and the sheep We prohibited to them their fat, except what adheres to their backs or the entrails or what is joined with bone. [By] that We repaid them for their injustice. And indeed, We are truthful."
So here Quran confirmed what God forbid the jews from eating which is evident in the verses of leviticus and deuteronomy, However, God also says "we(God) repaid them(jews) for their injustice(breaking God's laws and creating mischief in land). Meaning other then pork meat and all that is unlawful for muslims, the extra prohibitions are due as punishment for their transgressions.
What is unlawful and lawful for muslims to eat:
Quran(5:3)"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah, that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject Faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful."
So here we know what is forbidden for muslims, no where is there mention of rabbits or camel. Thus, prophet muhammad pbuh did not break the law of God. Why? Simply because those prohibitions were for Jews NOT muslims.
3.Jesus pbuh kept the law, why did prophet muhammad pbuh break the law of OT? - Firstly i must remind, that OT is irrelevant to Muslims, we were told to look at it as an evidence to see that God did sent scriptures before. NO WHERE in Quran it tells us muslims to follow Torah or Injeel, but rather tells to NOT TO DO LIKE WHAT PEOPLE OF THE BOOK DID. What did the people of the book(christians and jews) do?
Quran(2:75-82) "Do you then hope that they would believe in you? While a party from among them indeed used to hear the word of Allâh, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know (this) (75).
And when they meet those who believe they say: "We believe"; and when they are alone one with another they say: "Do you talk to them of what Allâh has disclosed to you that they may argue with you by this before your Lord? Do you not then understand?" (76).
What! Do they not know that Allâh knows what they conceal and what they proclaim? (77).
And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture (78).
Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: "This is from Allâh ", so that they may sell it for a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn (thereby) (79).
And they say: "Fire shall not touch us but for a few days. " Say: "Have you taken a promise from Allâh, then Allâh will never fail to keep His promise, or do you speak against Allâh what you do not know?" (80). "
Here we can see we can see, forstly they ALTERED the law of God, then They LIED that they believe, they WROTE WITH THEIR HANDS SO THEY CAN EARN WORLDLY POSSESSIONS and said this is from God, they claimed that the FIRE(HELL) will not touch them. Also the fact that the the jews used to do much moshcief in land. Keep in mind this is not about all the jews but those who impacted Judaism and were not prophets.
So knows that Hod said that they the jews altered OT why would God tell us to follow it, but he said this instead: Quran(2:106) "We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
Thus meaning even though verses were altered and forgotten, God still protected his verses by sending Quran which supercedes all that came before it.
Now regards to Jesus pbuh as the evidence shows from New Testament that jesus pbuh broke the laws(for us muslims it is a no brainer but i am talking in this sense show the bible perspective).
Mark 7:18 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?
Mark 7:19 (NIV) For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
As we can see from above by jesus pbuh declaring all food being clean he broke the laws in OT in regards to dietry restrictions on unclean food.
But some christians claim that New testament(gospel) supercedes Old testament(Torah). We muslims say Final Testament(Quran) supercedes all that came before it.
Thus NO, prophet muhammad pbuh did not break God's law because the dietey law in regards to unclean food was made clear in Quran for prophet muhammad pbuh.
The dietry law in OT which is enforced on jews does not apply to prophet muhammad pbuh because Quran(6:146) shows clearly it is for the jews. The dietry law for muslims are in Quran(5:3). No where does it indicate that camel or rabbit being unlawful, but Quran only tells ALL UNCLOVEN HOOF ANIMALS ARE UNLAWFUL FOR JEWS because they continously transgressed.
Here is evidence of this Quran(3:93) "All food was lawful unto the Children of Israel, save that which Israel forbade himself, (in days) before the Torah was revealed. Say: Produce the Torah and read it (unto us) if ye are truthful."
Quran (4:160)"For wrongdoing on the part of the Jews, We made unlawful for them [certain] good foods which had been lawful to them, and for their averting from the way of Allah many [people]"
Here is sufficient refuttation to David Woods claims, the thing is Quran does mention all UNCOLVEN HOOF animals being unlawful for jews. Meaning even though rabbit have paws, they do not have uncloven hood. Since they do not have uncloven hood in it on its own it is unlawful for jews to eat camels and rabbits. So OT is correcr, but David Woods is wrong that he claims it applies to prophet muhammad pbuh when it truely doesn't.
The evidence i shown clearly proves that OT is irrelevant toward prophet muhammad pbuh since prophet muhammad pbuh is bound by the laws in Quran not OT.
Also mention the links i provided for health benefits of eating rabbit meat and do the same for camels. With that mention this verse: Quran(16:114)" therefore eat of what allah has given you, lawful and good (things), and give thanks for allah's favor if him do you serve"
Yes indeed rabbit and camel meat are lawful according to quran because of their enourmoua health benefits.
"27 And whatsoever goeth upon its paws, among all beasts that go on all fours, they are unclean unto you; whoso toucheth their carcass shall be unclean until the even.
So OT does clearly specifiy rabbit as being unclean for jews.
But here is the thing forget about both hoof and cud. Just use the quran and show how the dietry restrictions for muslims and jews were different. Meaning the Quranic verses that i meantioned to u before does indeed refute David Woods claims.
He claimed that zakir naik used leviticus and deuteronomy to show that pig are unclean, but in same chapter mention rabbit and camel as being unclean. Since jesus pbuh claimed he did not come break the law of prophets but to fulfil, meaning fulfil the laws of torah, since prophet muhammad pbuh in David Woods claim is that since be broke the Law the torah by eating rabbit and camel meat, he prophet muhammad pbuh cannot be a prophet.
Refuttations:
1. Zakir naik used leviticus and dueteronomy to show that people of the book shouldn't eat pigs. - anyone with a shred of honestly and understanding can tell Zakir Naik was trying to help christians understand that u cannot eat pigs. This subject has nothing to do with prophet muhammad pbuh. Since David Woods went to other verses and made a different claim, he is scapegoating and cherry picking rather then being honest about that christians shouldn't be eating pork
2. Leviticus and Dueteronomy show that it is unlawful to eat rabbit and camel meat because in OT it claims it is unclean. - here is what quran says what allah swt prohibited jews from eating: Quran[6:146]"And to those who are Jews We prohibited every animal of uncloven hoof; and of the cattle and the sheep We prohibited to them their fat, except what adheres to their backs or the entrails or what is joined with bone. [By] that We repaid them for their injustice. And indeed, We are truthful."
So here Quran confirmed what God forbid the jews from eating which is evident in the verses of leviticus and deuteronomy, However, God also says "we(God) repaid them(jews) for their injustice(breaking God's laws and creating mischief in land). Meaning other then pork meat and all that is unlawful for muslims, the extra prohibitions are due as punishment for their transgressions.
What is unlawful and lawful for muslims to eat:
Quran(5:3)"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah, that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject Faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful."
So here we know what is forbidden for muslims, no where is there mention of rabbits or camel. Thus, prophet muhammad pbuh did not break the law of God. Why? Simply because those prohibitions were for Jews NOT muslims.
3.Jesus pbuh kept the law, why did prophet muhammad pbuh break the law of OT? - Firstly i must remind, that OT is irrelevant to Muslims, we were told to look at it as an evidence to see that God did sent scriptures before. NO WHERE in Quran it tells us muslims to follow Torah or Injeel, but rather tells to NOT TO DO LIKE WHAT PEOPLE OF THE BOOK DID. What did the people of the book(christians and jews) do?
Quran(2:75-82) "Do you then hope that they would believe in you? While a party from among them indeed used to hear the word of Allâh, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know (this) (75).
And when they meet those who believe they say: "We believe"; and when they are alone one with another they say: "Do you talk to them of what Allâh has disclosed to you that they may argue with you by this before your Lord? Do you not then understand?" (76).
What! Do they not know that Allâh knows what they conceal and what they proclaim? (77).
And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture (78).
Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: "This is from Allâh ", so that they may sell it for a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn (thereby) (79).
And they say: "Fire shall not touch us but for a few days. " Say: "Have you taken a promise from Allâh, then Allâh will never fail to keep His promise, or do you speak against Allâh what you do not know?" (80). "
Here we can see we can see, forstly they ALTERED the law of God, then They LIED that they believe, they WROTE WITH THEIR HANDS SO THEY CAN EARN WORLDLY POSSESSIONS and said this is from God, they claimed that the FIRE(HELL) will not touch them. Also the fact that the the jews used to do much moshcief in land. Keep in mind this is not about all the jews but those who impacted Judaism and were not prophets.
So knows that Hod said that they the jews altered OT why would God tell us to follow it, but he said this instead: Quran(2:106) "We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
Thus meaning even though verses were altered and forgotten, God still protected his verses by sending Quran which supercedes all that came before it.
Now regards to Jesus pbuh as the evidence shows from New Testament that jesus pbuh broke the laws(for us muslims it is a no brainer but i am talking in this sense show the bible perspective).
Mark 7:18 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?
Mark 7:19 (NIV) For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
As we can see from above by jesus pbuh declaring all food being clean he broke the laws in OT in regards to dietry restrictions on unclean food.
But some christians claim that New testament(gospel) supercedes Old testament(Torah). We muslims say Final Testament(Quran) supercedes all that came before it.
Thus NO, prophet muhammad pbuh did not break God's law because the dietey law in regards to unclean food was made clear in Quran for prophet muhammad pbuh.
The dietry law in OT which is enforced on jews does not apply to prophet muhammad pbuh because Quran(6:146) shows clearly it is for the jews. The dietry law for muslims are in Quran(5:3). No where does it indicate that camel or rabbit being unlawful, but Quran only tells ALL UNCLOVEN HOOF ANIMALS ARE UNLAWFUL FOR JEWS because they continously transgressed.
Here is evidence of this Quran(3:93) "All food was lawful unto the Children of Israel, save that which Israel forbade himself, (in days) before the Torah was revealed. Say: Produce the Torah and read it (unto us) if ye are truthful."
Quran (4:160)"For wrongdoing on the part of the Jews, We made unlawful for them [certain] good foods which had been lawful to them, and for their averting from the way of Allah many [people]"
Here is sufficient refuttation to David Woods claims, the thing is Quran does mention all UNCOLVEN HOOF animals being unlawful for jews. Meaning even though rabbit have paws, they do not have uncloven hood. Since they do not have uncloven hood in it on its own it is unlawful for jews to eat camels and rabbits. So OT is correcr, but David Woods is wrong that he claims it applies to prophet muhammad pbuh when it truely doesn't.
The evidence i shown clearly proves that OT is irrelevant toward prophet muhammad pbuh since prophet muhammad pbuh is bound by the laws in Quran not OT.
Also mention the links i provided for health benefits of eating rabbit meat and do the same for camels. With that mention this verse: Quran(16:114)" therefore eat of what allah has given you, lawful and good (things), and give thanks for allah's favor if him do you serve"
Yes indeed rabbit and camel meat are lawful according to quran because of their enourmoua health benefits.
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« on: April 04, 2017, 11:24:34 PM »
Also another point .
Jesus says i came too fulfil the law not abolish it:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).
But here he ABOLISHED the law:
Mark 7:18 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?
Mark 7:19 (NIV) For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
BY DECLARING all food clean, Jesus(pbuh) ABOLISHED the law of Moses, which has STRICT restrictions againsts certain food.
Well christians say, Gospel supercedes Torah, then we say Quran supercedes both Torah and Injeel and Zaboor.
So either gospel writter were ignorant of theae facts and created such GREAT contridiction, OR jesus abolished the law, thus rendering gospels CORRUPTED.
Jesus says i came too fulfil the law not abolish it:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).
But here he ABOLISHED the law:
Mark 7:18 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'?
Mark 7:19 (NIV) For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
BY DECLARING all food clean, Jesus(pbuh) ABOLISHED the law of Moses, which has STRICT restrictions againsts certain food.
Well christians say, Gospel supercedes Torah, then we say Quran supercedes both Torah and Injeel and Zaboor.
So either gospel writter were ignorant of theae facts and created such GREAT contridiction, OR jesus abolished the law, thus rendering gospels CORRUPTED.
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« on: April 04, 2017, 11:05:12 PM »
Again my images became a mess, go tp google images and take a image of rabbit feet and a full hoof and a cloven hoof. As u can see that rabbit do not fall into this criteria.
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« on: April 04, 2017, 11:03:10 PM »
Chewing of the cud isn't really important. The divded hoof however can be. Here is how:
Leviticus 11:6King James Version (KJV)
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
NOTE: "DIVIDETH not the HOOF"
Is a contridiction on its own, why? For the FACT that rabbits do NOT HAVE HOOFS. So how can they not have "divideth not the hoof" when they do not even have hoof. See what i mean.
Rabbits have PAWs:
NOT
HOOF:
Or cloven Hoof:
This same goes for Rock Badger, this it is an error in OT that indicating rabbits for not dividing the hoof, when in truth they DO NOT even have hoofs thus, they shouldn't even have been mentioned with such criteria.
Quran mentions that allah swt prohibites the jews:
Quran[6:146] "And to those who are Jews We prohibited every animal of uncloven hoof; and of the cattle and the sheep We prohibited to them their fat, except what adheres to their backs or the entrails or what is joined with bone. [By] that We repaid them for their injustice. And indeed, We are truthful."
There are certain things that Prophet Isreal prohibited to himself:
[3.93] All food was lawful to the children of Israel except that which Israel had forbidden to himself, before the Taurat was revealed. Say: Bring then the Taurat and read it, if you are truthful.
So what have we learnt.
1. Rabbits do not have hooves thus cannot divideth the hooves. Thus meaning this criteria isn't sufficient to classify them.
2. Quran tells us muslims what is forbidden to us and what is forbidden to jews. Thus meaning what is forbidden to jews is not all the same is what is forbidden to us muslims because, allah swt gave them such strict rules as punishment for being continous transgressors.
3. All was lawful to jews before Torah except what Isreal forbidden himself. Meaning "Chewing of Cud" and other animals that do not match up with Quran(6:146) are insertions. This meaning it is a cultural practice that they inhereted from prophet Isreal.
4. Prophet Muhammad pbuh did not break the commanded of Torah, why? 1. What was revealed to him that allah swt prohibited the jews did not include camels and rabbits. 2. What was revealed to prophet muhammad pbuh is that jews and muslims have similar but different dietry restrictions from allah swt. 3. Since prophet muhammad pbuh never stated that i came to follow the Torah and Injeel, thus Torah and Injeel are irrelevant to prophet muhammad pbuh.
Why?
Simple because Quran is law for prophet muhammad pbuh and muslims and Quran supercedes what came before it:
Quran[2:106] "We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
Chewing of the cud isn't relevent since quran makes no mention of it being enforced by allah swt onto them.
Allah swt knows best. =)
Leviticus 11:6King James Version (KJV)
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
NOTE: "DIVIDETH not the HOOF"
Is a contridiction on its own, why? For the FACT that rabbits do NOT HAVE HOOFS. So how can they not have "divideth not the hoof" when they do not even have hoof. See what i mean.
Rabbits have PAWs:
NOT
HOOF:
Or cloven Hoof:
This same goes for Rock Badger, this it is an error in OT that indicating rabbits for not dividing the hoof, when in truth they DO NOT even have hoofs thus, they shouldn't even have been mentioned with such criteria.
Quran mentions that allah swt prohibites the jews:
Quran[6:146] "And to those who are Jews We prohibited every animal of uncloven hoof; and of the cattle and the sheep We prohibited to them their fat, except what adheres to their backs or the entrails or what is joined with bone. [By] that We repaid them for their injustice. And indeed, We are truthful."
There are certain things that Prophet Isreal prohibited to himself:
[3.93] All food was lawful to the children of Israel except that which Israel had forbidden to himself, before the Taurat was revealed. Say: Bring then the Taurat and read it, if you are truthful.
So what have we learnt.
1. Rabbits do not have hooves thus cannot divideth the hooves. Thus meaning this criteria isn't sufficient to classify them.
2. Quran tells us muslims what is forbidden to us and what is forbidden to jews. Thus meaning what is forbidden to jews is not all the same is what is forbidden to us muslims because, allah swt gave them such strict rules as punishment for being continous transgressors.
3. All was lawful to jews before Torah except what Isreal forbidden himself. Meaning "Chewing of Cud" and other animals that do not match up with Quran(6:146) are insertions. This meaning it is a cultural practice that they inhereted from prophet Isreal.
4. Prophet Muhammad pbuh did not break the commanded of Torah, why? 1. What was revealed to him that allah swt prohibited the jews did not include camels and rabbits. 2. What was revealed to prophet muhammad pbuh is that jews and muslims have similar but different dietry restrictions from allah swt. 3. Since prophet muhammad pbuh never stated that i came to follow the Torah and Injeel, thus Torah and Injeel are irrelevant to prophet muhammad pbuh.
Why?
Simple because Quran is law for prophet muhammad pbuh and muslims and Quran supercedes what came before it:
Quran[2:106] "We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
Chewing of the cud isn't relevent since quran makes no mention of it being enforced by allah swt onto them.
Allah swt knows best. =)
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« on: April 04, 2017, 08:30:42 PM »
Alao another important point you should mention is that the reason Zakir Naik used bible to make rhe point was because christians adhere to bible as their law, so Naik was telling them according to their law. Woods brought a whole new discussion into what Naik was talking about, thus makes Woods look like a fool. Since even someone new to topic of debates on islam and christianity knows that christians adhere to bible as their law while muslims adhere to Quran.
Stating that prophet muhammad pbuh broke a law in Torah is foolish because since Torah does not apply to prophet muhammad pbuh. Why? Simple Quran mentions that it came to confirm and complete whag came before it thus meaning it is stating that it SUPERCEDES what came before it.
Quran(2:106) " We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
Stating that prophet muhammad pbuh broke a law in Torah is foolish because since Torah does not apply to prophet muhammad pbuh. Why? Simple Quran mentions that it came to confirm and complete whag came before it thus meaning it is stating that it SUPERCEDES what came before it.
Quran(2:106) " We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
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« on: April 04, 2017, 08:23:39 PM »
Asalama ul laykum brother truthexposer, how is the development for the rabbit meat refuttation video going?
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« on: April 03, 2017, 07:48:50 PM »
The system logged me out and when i had to paste the post back in the description it seems to mess up by "bold" code. Nevertheless, the information is there. =)
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« on: April 03, 2017, 07:46:15 PM »
Here is another perspective, how is being an orphan not qualify you to be a prophet
Quran[49:6]O you who believe! If a Fasiq (liar- evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done.
It seems that the this grossly pathetic atempt by David woods can easily be refuted even by the bible.
Firstly,
Dueteronomy 27:19 “‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Aparently it seems there is a curse on David Woods because of his severe hatred of prophet muhammad pbuh who was an orphan and the habitual attacks that David Woods did to the character of prophet muhammad pbuh and the injuatice, his own bible says there is a Curse on David Woods. =)
It is important to remind David Woods who what other prophet was an orphan.
1. Moses : Exodus 2
The Birth of Moses
2 "Now a man of the tribe of Levi married a Levite woman, 2 and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months. 3 But when she could hide him no longer, she got a papyrus basket[a] for him and coated it with tar and pitch. Then she placed the child in it and put it among the reeds along the bank of the Nile. 4 His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him.
5 Then Pharaoh’s daughter went down to the Nile to bathe, and her attendants were walking along the riverbank. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her female slave to get it. 6 She opened it and saw the baby. He was crying, and she felt sorry for him. “This is one of the Hebrew babies,” she said.
7 Then his sister asked Pharaoh’s daughter, “Shall I go and get one of the Hebrew women to nurse the baby for you?”
8 “Yes, go,” she answered. So the girl went and got the baby’s mother. 9 Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, “Take this baby and nurse him for me, and I will pay you.” So the woman took the baby and nursed him. 10 When the child grew older, she took him to Pharaoh’s daughter and he became her son. She named him Moses, saying, “I drew him out of the water.”
Moses Flees to Midian
11 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. 12 Looking this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. 13 The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, “Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?”
14 The man said, “Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?” Then Moses was afraid and thought, “What I did must have become known.”
15 When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian, where he sat down by a well. 16 Now a priest of Midian had seven daughters, and they came to draw water and fill the troughs to water their father’s flock. 17 Some shepherds came along and drove them away, but Moses got up and came to their rescue and watered their flock.he Birth of Moses
2 Now a man of the tribe of Levi married a Levite woman, 2 and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months. 3 But when she could hide him no longer, she got a papyrus basket[a] for him and coated it with tar and pitch. Then she placed the child in it and put it among the reeds along the bank of the Nile. 4 His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him.
5 Then Pharaoh’s daughter went down to the Nile to bathe, and her attendants were walking along the riverbank. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her female slave to get it. 6 She opened it and saw the baby. He was crying, and she felt sorry for him. “This is one of the Hebrew babies,” she said.
7 Then his sister asked Pharaoh’s daughter, “Shall I go and get one of the Hebrew women to nurse the baby for you?”
8 “Yes, go,” she answered. So the girl went and got the baby’s mother. 9 Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, “Take this baby and nurse him for me, and I will pay you.” So the woman took the baby and nursed him. 10 When the child grew older, she took him to Pharaoh’s daughter and he became her son. She named him Moses, saying, “I drew him out of the water.”
Moses Flees to Midian
11 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. 12 Looking this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. 13 The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, “Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?”
14 The man said, “Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?” Then Moses was afraid and thought, “What I did must have become known.”
15 When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian, where he sat down by a well. 16 Now a priest of Midian had seven daughters, and they came to draw water and fill the troughs to water their father’s flock. 17 Some shepherds came along and drove them away, but Moses got up and came to their rescue and watered their flock."
so not only did Moses become an orphan but he became an orphan twice.
2. Jpseph(Yusuf) Genesis 37:28
28 So when the Midianite merchants passed by, Joseph’s brothers pulled him out of the cistern and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty pieces of silver. The Ishmaelites then took Joseph to Egypt.
Even though Joseph father was not dead, Joseph was still a orphan due to the Technicalitt of his situation.
3. Jesus : even though chrsitians like to claim that God was the father of Jesus, still Jesus had NO biological father because his birth was a miracle, thus proves Jesus being an orphan.
So David Woods and other LYING SPIRITS, how does it feel to know you are cirsed for hating orphans. Also knowing from biological stand point the prophet that u love urself is also an orphan. That means by hating prophet muhammad pbuh who is an orphan you are alao hating moses, joseph and jesus pbuthemall who are also orphans.
Quran[49:6]O you who believe! If a Fasiq (liar- evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done.
It seems that the this grossly pathetic atempt by David woods can easily be refuted even by the bible.
Firstly,
Dueteronomy 27:19 “‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Aparently it seems there is a curse on David Woods because of his severe hatred of prophet muhammad pbuh who was an orphan and the habitual attacks that David Woods did to the character of prophet muhammad pbuh and the injuatice, his own bible says there is a Curse on David Woods. =)
It is important to remind David Woods who what other prophet was an orphan.
1. Moses : Exodus 2
The Birth of Moses
2 "Now a man of the tribe of Levi married a Levite woman, 2 and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months. 3 But when she could hide him no longer, she got a papyrus basket[a] for him and coated it with tar and pitch. Then she placed the child in it and put it among the reeds along the bank of the Nile. 4 His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him.
5 Then Pharaoh’s daughter went down to the Nile to bathe, and her attendants were walking along the riverbank. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her female slave to get it. 6 She opened it and saw the baby. He was crying, and she felt sorry for him. “This is one of the Hebrew babies,” she said.
7 Then his sister asked Pharaoh’s daughter, “Shall I go and get one of the Hebrew women to nurse the baby for you?”
8 “Yes, go,” she answered. So the girl went and got the baby’s mother. 9 Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, “Take this baby and nurse him for me, and I will pay you.” So the woman took the baby and nursed him. 10 When the child grew older, she took him to Pharaoh’s daughter and he became her son. She named him Moses, saying, “I drew him out of the water.”
Moses Flees to Midian
11 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. 12 Looking this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. 13 The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, “Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?”
14 The man said, “Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?” Then Moses was afraid and thought, “What I did must have become known.”
15 When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian, where he sat down by a well. 16 Now a priest of Midian had seven daughters, and they came to draw water and fill the troughs to water their father’s flock. 17 Some shepherds came along and drove them away, but Moses got up and came to their rescue and watered their flock.he Birth of Moses
2 Now a man of the tribe of Levi married a Levite woman, 2 and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months. 3 But when she could hide him no longer, she got a papyrus basket[a] for him and coated it with tar and pitch. Then she placed the child in it and put it among the reeds along the bank of the Nile. 4 His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him.
5 Then Pharaoh’s daughter went down to the Nile to bathe, and her attendants were walking along the riverbank. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her female slave to get it. 6 She opened it and saw the baby. He was crying, and she felt sorry for him. “This is one of the Hebrew babies,” she said.
7 Then his sister asked Pharaoh’s daughter, “Shall I go and get one of the Hebrew women to nurse the baby for you?”
8 “Yes, go,” she answered. So the girl went and got the baby’s mother. 9 Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, “Take this baby and nurse him for me, and I will pay you.” So the woman took the baby and nursed him. 10 When the child grew older, she took him to Pharaoh’s daughter and he became her son. She named him Moses, saying, “I drew him out of the water.”
Moses Flees to Midian
11 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. 12 Looking this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. 13 The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, “Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?”
14 The man said, “Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?” Then Moses was afraid and thought, “What I did must have become known.”
15 When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian, where he sat down by a well. 16 Now a priest of Midian had seven daughters, and they came to draw water and fill the troughs to water their father’s flock. 17 Some shepherds came along and drove them away, but Moses got up and came to their rescue and watered their flock."
so not only did Moses become an orphan but he became an orphan twice.
2. Jpseph(Yusuf) Genesis 37:28
28 So when the Midianite merchants passed by, Joseph’s brothers pulled him out of the cistern and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty pieces of silver. The Ishmaelites then took Joseph to Egypt.
Even though Joseph father was not dead, Joseph was still a orphan due to the Technicalitt of his situation.
3. Jesus : even though chrsitians like to claim that God was the father of Jesus, still Jesus had NO biological father because his birth was a miracle, thus proves Jesus being an orphan.
So David Woods and other LYING SPIRITS, how does it feel to know you are cirsed for hating orphans. Also knowing from biological stand point the prophet that u love urself is also an orphan. That means by hating prophet muhammad pbuh who is an orphan you are alao hating moses, joseph and jesus pbuthemall who are also orphans.
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Suicidal thoughts
« on: April 03, 2017, 01:52:34 AM »
Point#1. Those who hate rasool(s.a.w.) do not care for any real evidence. They try to make things sound professional and hope it effects us. Such PATHETIC attempts can only have effect on those who are dwindling in their faith(may allah swt make all muslims faith strong).
Point#2. Yes there is an enourmous difference between saddness and suicidal tendencies. Saddness is a common emotion that every human shares. Suicidal tendencies fall into the criteria of SEVERE DEPRESSION. But the claim isn't just suicidal tendencies but on top of that the attempts, which CLEARLY cannot be defined by just mere saddness.
Point#3. It is possible that the through time the understanding of that hadith might have changed, where since rophet muhammad pbuh went to the top, some people might have thought it might be a suicide attempt but clearly there is no real evidence to state this, most of these are just conjectures.
Last Point. Which may also be the most important point, in the quranic verse NOTE that there is NO MENTION of prophet muhammad pbuh trying any suicidal attempt, but rather mentioned only 2 factors: "your Lord has NOT FORSAKEN you, NOR is DISPLEASED with you."
Why is there no mention of any sort of the suicidal attempt which these mushrikeen claim? I rest my case.
Also it seems these mushrikeen who like to attack prophet muhammad pbuh glorious character are head and heels in trying so hard to find something that can stick, lets just hope that they do not end up having SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, but rather come to islam in love for allah swt and muhammad pbuh. =)
Point#2. Yes there is an enourmous difference between saddness and suicidal tendencies. Saddness is a common emotion that every human shares. Suicidal tendencies fall into the criteria of SEVERE DEPRESSION. But the claim isn't just suicidal tendencies but on top of that the attempts, which CLEARLY cannot be defined by just mere saddness.
Point#3. It is possible that the through time the understanding of that hadith might have changed, where since rophet muhammad pbuh went to the top, some people might have thought it might be a suicide attempt but clearly there is no real evidence to state this, most of these are just conjectures.
Last Point. Which may also be the most important point, in the quranic verse NOTE that there is NO MENTION of prophet muhammad pbuh trying any suicidal attempt, but rather mentioned only 2 factors: "your Lord has NOT FORSAKEN you, NOR is DISPLEASED with you."
Why is there no mention of any sort of the suicidal attempt which these mushrikeen claim? I rest my case.
Also it seems these mushrikeen who like to attack prophet muhammad pbuh glorious character are head and heels in trying so hard to find something that can stick, lets just hope that they do not end up having SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, but rather come to islam in love for allah swt and muhammad pbuh. =)
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Suicidal thoughts
« on: April 02, 2017, 03:33:18 AM »
Correction: Brother Bassam Zawadi refutted that claim
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GENERAL TOPICS | BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS / Re: Suicidal thoughts
« on: April 02, 2017, 02:09:10 AM »
Asalam ul laykum dear sister, first of ay curse from allah swt be on those who try to use this against rasool (s.a.w), for indeed shaitan was absolutly weak against trying to effect raool (s.a.w) in anyway.
Here dear brother osama did a great refuttation to the lies of these disgusting and diplorable claims.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/no_suicide.htm
Prophet muhammad pbuh was saddened because he expected to have revelations from Allah swt consistantly when he did not dye to his great love for Allah swt he would go to the tops of Hera mountain, eventually Allah swt revealed to him this:
"By the forenoon, and by the night as it spreads its wings over the world in peace, your Lord has not forsaken you; nor is He displeased with you. Surely, the end shall be better for you than the beginning. Your Lord will soon give you of His bounty and you will be well pleased. Did He not find you an orphan and give you shelter? Did He not find you erring and guide you to the truth? Did He not find you in want and provide for you? Do not, therefore, oppress the orphan nor turn away whosoever seeks your help. And the bounty of your Lord, always proclaim."[Qur'an, 93:1-11]
Since muhammad (s.a.w) did have no knowledge of how Divine inpuration works in the beginning, he used to get worried that maybe Allah swt isn't happy with him. But then the Above verse was revealed which after that he realized there was nothing to worry about.
Here dear brother osama did a great refuttation to the lies of these disgusting and diplorable claims.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/no_suicide.htm
Prophet muhammad pbuh was saddened because he expected to have revelations from Allah swt consistantly when he did not dye to his great love for Allah swt he would go to the tops of Hera mountain, eventually Allah swt revealed to him this:
"By the forenoon, and by the night as it spreads its wings over the world in peace, your Lord has not forsaken you; nor is He displeased with you. Surely, the end shall be better for you than the beginning. Your Lord will soon give you of His bounty and you will be well pleased. Did He not find you an orphan and give you shelter? Did He not find you erring and guide you to the truth? Did He not find you in want and provide for you? Do not, therefore, oppress the orphan nor turn away whosoever seeks your help. And the bounty of your Lord, always proclaim."[Qur'an, 93:1-11]
Since muhammad (s.a.w) did have no knowledge of how Divine inpuration works in the beginning, he used to get worried that maybe Allah swt isn't happy with him. But then the Above verse was revealed which after that he realized there was nothing to worry about.
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Rebuttals & Polemics / Re: Why Did The Prophet of Islam, Ate The Rabbit When it was Forbidden in The Torah?
« on: March 31, 2017, 03:25:31 PM »
I'm already there
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Rebuttals & Polemics / Re: Why Did The Prophet of Islam, Ate The Rabbit When it was Forbidden in The Torah?
« on: March 31, 2017, 03:12:46 PM »
Yes, but I'm also looking after my kid, so if I don't answer don't worry I will in little bit.
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