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I'm still very curious to know,the more we disprove them the more they want to indoctrinate us that "Your religion teaches this" "your prophet is that" "your God is this"
and the more we keep disproving the more they come in and insult us,these insults are everywhere and being spread,who started these myths?!,its soo painful to see the innocent people getting indoctrinated by this,and they start to go out,and hurt Muslims because they think they're ALL dangerous,I literally heard someone say "There should be A Muslim Genocide,Islam shouldn't exist" and they just keep on doing the same thing over and over as if they're nation was damned by God almighty to hate us,and when a white Person converts to Islam,he's literally humiliated,or even worst,thrown out of the country.
So what is this problem? they insult our Prophet without seeing that they're ancestors married under 6 and they killed even more than the alleged killing that Muslims did
they take 0.01% of the WHOLE Muslim population and make it a representative,Now personally seeing this bigotry,I think Non-Muslims should literally be banned from the Middle-East since most of them are dangerous for Muslims.
So
TL;DR:Who started this hatred and bigotry against Islam?!
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west conspiracy on the middle east. they live in heaven when these lives in hell .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDaTfiTHkko&spfreload=1
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Calling for a Muslim genocide by Non-Muslims is talked about and for comparison I can quote Muslims who say that all Jews should be killed and even worse claim that Islam calls for that. When a white person converting to Islam is "thrown out of the country" is talked about (although I personally am not aware of such an occurrence), I can quote the names of Muslim countries who have the death penalty for Muslim apostasy.
In my personal opinion, this post is highly ironic.
I think Non-Muslims should literally be banned from the Middle-East since most of them are dangerous for Muslims.
Just replace "Muslims" by "Non-Muslims" and "Middle-East" by "Europe" or "America" and this sentence will become exactly what the people, against whom this post is made, would be expected to say, or actually in-fact do repeatedly say. Even more ironic, is the fact that the video linked to in the reply, actually talks about Daesh kicking Christians (i.e. "Non-Muslims") out of their controlled land of the "Middle-East". Additionally, the fact of a lot of Europeans, especially Germans, in-spite of Daesh's alleged terrorist activities against them, opening their doors and hearts for Muslims much more than anyone could have asked them to, is apparently also ignored.
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Opening doors? just to come in so they can make fake rape allegations and try to get muslims out? yeah.ok.
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So you are contending that the German government willingly allowed Syrian Muslims to come to their country, gave them refugee status which includes benefits, faced huge criticism of their right-wing opposition parties, ending up losing political support from their people, further polarising their communities, faced deteriorating security situation in their nation dues to stabbings, a suicide bombing etc. just so they can "make fake rape allegations [something British Muslims were actually convicted of doing] and try to get muslims out"? Seriously?
In any case, my point wasn't whether European governments have good intentions or not, just how much the original post was similar and reminiscent of far right European Christians.
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Suicide bombing,stabbings,etc is their fault,they make allegations without any proof the person was "Syrian"
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If the person wasn't Syrian Muslim refugee, he was an Afghani Muslim refugee, doesn't really make much of a difference. But regardless of that, you said "Suicide bombing,stabbings,etc is their fault..." Are you serious?
Let me re-phrase your statement, because of whatever crimes their governments committed, innocents "deserve" to be stabbed and bombed. Is this really what you are saying?
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IT IS the Governments fault for not keeping these people under limits to their rights,IT IS their fault for blaming the muslims and having soo many Islamophobes with unfair reasoning to the point most of them go Insane and start killing,IT IS their fault for not checking if any of them have weaponry or not.
TBH,The Gulf-Middle eastern countries should've got the Syrians these European buffoons just blame them for all crimes.
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And let me re-phrase you
"We should respect Europeans to do their Job and protest against Islam and destruct it,we should boycott Syrian Refugees so Bashar al Assad can do his job because i'm like any other Wahhabi and Salafi out there"
Oh and I haven't seen one death penalty for Apostasy looks like Media has targeted the Brains of Muslims aswell.
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- "IT IS the Governments fault for not keeping these people under limits to their rights..."
I am unsure which people you are talking about (actually I'm not even completely sure what that entire sentence even means), but I'm going to guess these people as the European far right nationalists. In which case, I would recount the case when a particular group of Pakistani Muslims on hearing rumours of blasphemy, damaged and looted a Christian settlement. The Pakistani government was unable to protect those Christians so I suppose it was the Muslim "Governments fault for not keeping these people under limits to their rights" and Christians living in Pakistan now have the right to stab and bomb random Pakistani Muslims. From what I have personally seen, the German government had been especially careful of not quickly ascribing the attacks as terrorist attacks and going the other way and in some cases, even pointing out the perpetrators being afflicted by psychological or mental health issues. And whether some Muslims like it or not, the fact is, whenever some Western right-wingers fabricate some story against Muslims living in the West, a lot of times it is government data or Western non-Muslim liberals who refute those fabricated stories.
Regarding the "re-phrasing", the irrelevancy and fallacious nature (specifically the straw man fallacy) of the statement is astounding. While my re-phrasing was, or at-least it appeared to me that way, a logical conclusion of your previous arguments i.e. bombings and stabbings are the fault of the victims and because the victims are innocents it naturally concludes that innocents deserve to be bombed and stabbed (for whatever faults of their governments). But because I accept the possibility that I can be wrong, I specifically asked to make sure, "Is this really what you are saying?" And interestingly, you did not deny that.
Because you are apparently not getting this, let me spell this out for you: It absolutely does not matter how many thousands or millions of innocent Muslims are killed, hurt or lied against by non-Muslims, Muslims can not ever be knowingly unjust or kill a single innocent person.
... and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably...
(Qur'an 5:8 )
While on the other hand, the re-phrasing in your case,
- "We should respect Europeans to do their Job and protest against Islam and destruct it..."
Irrelevant and a straw man.
- "... we should boycott Syrian Refugees..."
Irrelevant and a straw man.
- "... so Bashar al Assad can do his job because i'm like any other Wahhabi and Salafi out there"
Seriously, where did this even come from? The truth be told, I am amazed how creative a person has to be, to go from whatever was said above and to come to an argument of Sunni (or specifically "Wahhabi and Salafi") Vs. Shia debate.
On the matter of death penalty for apostasy, do some particular Muslim countries by law have that punishment or not? A very simple question with a simple answer. There is at-least one active member (no offence/disrespect meant to that person) on this forum who will even defend the punishment as part of Islamic Sha'riah.
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I'm saying they gave the refugee's too many rights if they didn't their country would be fine.
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So..., you are saying that if the Germans (i.e. non-Muslims) had not went so much out of their way to help Muslims, their country would have been better off?
Didn't reply before because I thought the ironies would be all to obvious but just in case they weren't.
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You aren't understanding,i'm saying if they did help Muslims they didn't keep them under control which means:
They didn't jail the people with Weapons,
they didn't check if any of them had bombs,
they were careless over the whole issue.
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Which refugees who were found to be possessing weapons not jailed?
On what basis do you make the allegation that they didn't check?
How were they supposed to effectively check literally thousands of refugees?
I highly doubt the refugees were carrying weapons and bombs all the way from Syria to Germany.
In any case this might be a case of their incompetence (as a few people would argue) but it definitely does not show their malicious intentions which is what your original claim was.
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I'm not speaking about ALL refugee's,but I'm speaking about the imposter refugee's,you see we never know where ISIS could be what if disguised refugee's just came to Germany,ISIS has this ability you see,so that is why they should've known better and checked.
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How exactly should they have checked whether a refugee is fake or real?
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They should've asked him,examined him,
look at what he was before,and look for things that he has on the sea(or row-boat).
if not then keep him under police for a few months to make sure.
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And what if he had simply lied? If someone came for the specific reason to commit an act of terrorism, isn't he likely to have already made up a believable cover story? How exactly would they have checked the person's background?
Additionally, how many tens of thousands of people, should have gone through this process? How many tens of thousands should the police have been keeping tabs on?
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Then you are saying "Let ISIS members go into countries to try and frame Syrians"
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Once again, where did that come from? When did I say anything remotely like that?
You are the one contending that Europeans especially Germans allowed refugees to come into their country to "make fake rape allegations and try to get muslims out". You are the one who has to show proof or a valid logical argument for malicious intentions on behalf of the European authorities. You have to show that the German authorities knowingly and willingly allowed the refugees to commit crimes. As of yet no evidence has been provided for the claims made, just more and more allegations.
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But that is EXACTLY what they have done,got them into a country one dude does something,and they blame the Syrian masses.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/officials-fear-syrian-refugees-pose-threat-us/story?id=28930114
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No Germans were involved in the quoted news link.
The link is quoting concerns of the official authorities, pretty much the exact same concerns that you yourself mentioned before. You said Daesh terrorists will come with the Syrian refugees and the European officials should have done more to vet the refugees that were coming in. This is virtually exactly what the US officials are saying.
Aside from the right-wing Republicans, who like most other far-right people live in paranoia of external enemies, the quoted link had no blaming of the "Syrian masses".
Again where is the evidence that the German authorities allowed the refugees to come into their country for the specific purpose of blaming them when some of them were inevitably going to commit crimes.
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No Germans were involved in the quoted news link.
The link is quoting concerns of the official authorities, pretty much the exact same concerns that you yourself mentioned before. You said Daesh terrorists will come with the Syrian refugees and the European officials should have done more to vet the refugees that were coming in. This is virtually exactly what the US officials are saying.
Aside from the right-wing Republicans, who like most other far-right people live in paranoia of external enemies, the quoted link had no blaming of the "Syrian masses".
Again where is the evidence that the German authorities allowed the refugees to come into their country for the specific purpose of blaming them when some of them were inevitably going to commit crimes.
Debating with conspiracy theorists is a very tough thing thing since it never ends and it is very stressing. I praise you for that.