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Rebuttal to James Arlandson's article


Does Islam improve on Christianity?

 

By Sami Zaatari

 

 

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

Does Muhammad fulfill and complete the mission and ministry of Jesus? Muslims answer with an emphatic yes.

 

Basic Islamic theology teaches that since Allah sent Gabriel down with the Quran to Muhammad the messenger of Allah, Muhammad and the Quran fulfill and complete the mission of Christ and the New Testament. Muhammad seems to recognize the value of the Bible (Suras 4:47; 4:136; 4:163; 5:44-48; 5:82-83; 6:92, 154), but ultimately Christianity and the New Testament must yield to Islam and the Quran, the new and superior revelation.

 

My Response

 

Yes, Islam does improve on Christianity. Islam corrects Christianity on several issues, such as Jesus, such as who was sacrificed and the issue of salvation. The Quran establishes Jesus' true message, which is to worship one God, not to worship him as a God. The prophet Muhammad did recognize the value of the Bible, all us Muslims do, we do believe there is truth in the Bible.

 

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltomattslick1.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/bible_not_error_free.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/que3.htm

http://www.mostmerciful.com/quran-does-not-state-bible-is-true.htm

 

He Wrote

 

Sura 5:15-16 illustrates this theology. In the context of Muhammad’s distortion of the Christian doctrine of the Sonship of Christ (5:17), and in the context of his asserting that Jews have been cursed (5:13), this passage in the Quran (representing others) says that Christians (and Jews) have been walking in darkness until Muhammad came:

 

5:15 People of the Book [Jews and Christians] ... a light has now come to you from God, and a Scripture [the Quran] making things clear, 16 with which God guides them who follow what pleases Him to ways of peace, bringing them from darkness out into light, by His will, and guiding them to a straight path. (Haleem) (cf. 4:157)

 

A Bible-educated Christian today immediately recognizes the imagery of light. Jesus says that he was sent down from heaven as the light of the world, and Christians have passed from darkness into the light (John 1:4-5, 8:12, 9:5, 12:46; 1 Peter 2:9). Now, however, Muhammad claims that Christians had been living in darkness, and he has come to clarify matters for them, as if things had been muddied. The Quran offers guidance along a "straight path," a theme often repeated in the Muslim Scriptures (e.g. Sura or Chapter 1) and makes "things clear." Verse 16 is likely one of the verses a Muslim has in mind when he points out that Islam is a religion of peace. But is it?

 

My Response

 

Yes, Muhammad is a light for Christians and Jews; he has come down with a new revelation that clears out the falsehood in your religions. Yes, the Bible does state that Jesus was a light for man, however so what James forgets is that basically all prophets are a light for men since prophets come down to save us all from sin. So both the prophet Muhammad and Jesus were lights of men in their respective times. The prophet Muhammad is the final prophet sent to mankind with the final revelation which is the Quran.

 

He Wrote

 

A devout, Bible-educated Christian in no way believes that Islam is superior, so how do we break this deadlock? Ignore it? Given recent events like 9/11, this is no longer feasible. Do we pretend that all religions are the same? But this forces us to deny some basic, diametrically opposed and irreconcilable doctrines that all religions have. So do we argue over these abstract doctrines?

 

Debating abstract ideas like the Unity or the Trinity of God has a place in the Christian-Muslim dialogue, but neither claim can be proven by simple observation. The Quran everywhere affirms the strict Unity of God, whereas the New Testament everywhere affirms the divinity of Christ and the personhood of the Holy Spirit. So we have merely pitted one sacred text against another, and to break this deadlock we must go down still other paths. (For more information on the reliability of the New Testament, visit this page <../../Bible/Text/index.html>; for the problems inhering in the Quran, go here <../../Quran/Contra/index.html>.)

 

My Response

 

As for September 11 please visit these links:

 

www.infowars.com

www.prisonplanet.com  

 

For the reliability of the Quran please visit these links:

 

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quran_textual-reply.html

http://www.mostmerciful.com/reply-ans-islam.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltoarthurjeffery.htm

 

for the problems inhering the Bible please visit these links:

 

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/Canon/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Sources/

http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/exhibitDarius.htm

http://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/canons.htm

http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/exhibitC.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/problem_of_paul.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/the_embarrassing_2.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/criticism.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/bible-speak.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/christianity_contradicts_the_bible.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/christianity_contradicts_the_bible_part_2.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/jesus_contradicts_himself.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/rebuttal_to_shamoun_1.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/rebuttal_to_shamoun_2.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/a_t/christian_proof_texts.htm

 

 

He Wrote

 

Since Muhammad lays down a serious challenge to Christ and Christianity, we Christians must answer him. What would Christ say? As it turns out, he has given us a clear teaching on how to evaluate a prophet who comes after him in history, especially if the later prophet asserts his superiority over Christ: fruit inspection.

 

In the context of the Sermon on the Mount, Christ spoke to the multitudes, few of whom or none of whom were theologians, but simple agrarians. In Matt. 7:15-20, Christ uses unambiguous language about discerning the truthfulness of prophets:

 

7:15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you shall know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you shall know them.

 

My Response

 

Yes, the false prophet was Paul not Muhammad. It was Paul he came with a completely different doctrine than the one Jesus preached. The prophet Muhammad is not the false prophet.

 

Yes, by their fruit you shall know them. Thank you for bringing that up, since you are a well documented liar, just visit my previous rebuttal to you, so I guess the verse can be applied to you when it says:

 

 Thus, by their fruit you shall know them.

 

So I guess that applies to you.

 

He Wrote

 

In today’s western world in which millions would prefer to not rock the boat with Islam and rather try to accommodate it, this passage may stand out as intolerant. But in these verses Christ understands the stakes. Religious truth-claims come into the world by the dozens, seemingly every second, and these claims are not merely abstract theories; the lives of people are at risk. So the price of accommodation, since 9/11, is too high. Besides, it is Muhammad who says that he is superior to Christ and that his new religion improves on Christianity. He is the one who issued the challenge in the first place. Therefore, 600+ years before Muhammad came on the world stage, Christ answers him (and other self-proclaimed prophets) with a fruit inspection.

 

To illustrate, let us suppose that I claim that my way is better than yours. Then I should be able to back up my verbal assertion with my actions in obvious ways. My behavior should actually be better than yours, for my actions speak louder than my words. Specifically, if I as the founder of a religion say that husbands in my community are allowed to beat their wives (Sura 4:34), but you as the founder of a religion say that husbands in your community are not allowed to beat their wives, then how can my alleged superiority stand up in real life? I am promoting an empirically bad practice, but you are not.

 

I simply do not pass fruit inspection. That is, my fruit or behavior or down-to-earth practices are rotten. Therefore, Christ is absolutely correct to use this simple test for his followers to examine the claims of later prophets. "By their fruit you shall know them" (Matt. 7:16 and 20).

 

We can boil down Muhammad’s challenge and Christ’s fruit inspection in a simple if-then logical argument. This one is known as modus tollens or denying the consequent (the "then" clause).

 

(1)

If A, then B. If Islam improves on Christianity, then these improvements should show up in observable, down-to-earth ways.

(2)

Not-B. But these improvements do not show up in observable, down-to-earth ways.

(3)

Therefore, not-A. Therefore, Islam does not improve on Christianity.

We now easily defend each premise.

 

My Response

 

Once again James proves he is a liar, note what he said:

 

 

, it is Muhammad who says that he is superior to Christ

 

I challenge you to bring me where the prophet said he is greater than Jesus, this proves what a liar you are. It seems you have to lie in every single article you write. I will let the Quran refute your claim and lie:

 

002.136
YUSUFALI: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

002.285
YUSUFALI: The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

003.084
YUSUFALI: Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."

So all prophets and messengers are equal, God makes no distinction between any of them.

 

Let us quote some of the hadiths:

 

 Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 608:

 

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet said, "One should not say that I am better than Jonah (i.e. Yunus) bin Matta." So, he mentioned his father Matta. The Prophet mentioned the night of his Ascension and said, "The prophet Moses was brown, a tall person as if from the people of the tribe of Shanu'a. Jesus was a curly-haired man of moderate height." He also mentioned Malik, the gate-keeper of the (Hell) Fire, and Ad-Dajjal.

 

So the prophet Muhammad is telling the Muslims that they shouldnt say he is better than Jonah, meaning dont say he is greater than Jonah etc. This also shows that the prophet Muhammad believed himself to be on the same level as all other prophets, equal with them.

 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 654:

 

Narrated 'Umar:

I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."

 

So if the prophet Muhammad believed he was greater than Jesus he would tell his people to praise him more than the Christians did with Jesus! Instead the prophet Muhammad tells his people to not over praise him like Christians did with Jesus, hence it is obvious that the prophet Muhammad did not believe that he was greater than Jesus or else he would say praise me more than Jesus.

 

 

He Wrote

 

(1) If Islam improves on Christianity, then these improvements should show up in observable, down-to-earth ways.

 

We have already defended this premise in our lead-up to it. Examining the life and practices of the Founder of Christianity and the Founder of Islam is the first and best way to break the deadlock between the two competing religions, because we can observe their behavior and actions down here on earth. By their fruits we shall know them.

 

My Response

 

Yes, let us see the actions of both men, to begin with let us see the actions of Jesus, now since you believe Jesus is God then this means that Jesus commanded this:

 

Judges 21: 10- 24 :

 

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

 

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

 

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and

Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

 

So note, the men hide behind bushes like stalkers, and they wait for the women and once they see the women they rush the women and kidnap them and then basically marry them! This is clear rape; this is what you call ‘legalized rape’.

 

Numbers 31: 7-18 :

 

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

 

Zephaniah 2:12-15

 

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist

 

Isaiah 13:15-18

 

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

 

So as you can see, the God of the OT commanded his followers to kill women and children, Christians say Jesus is God so hence it was Jesus who commanded these brutal acts. Let us see what the Quran says:

 

004.075
YUSUFALI: And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

 

The Quran tells the Muslims to fight for the oppressed, man women and children. The prophet Muhammad is obligated to follow the Quran, so hence the prophet Muhammad is commanded to fight for the oppressed women and children, the Bible under the command of Jesus says kill women and children. So it is pretty simple, Jesus killed women and children, Muhammad fought for women and children.

 

 Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 257:

 

Narrated 'Abdullah:

During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

 

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 258:

 

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.

 

 

So the prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of women and children, the Christian God who is Jesus said god kill women and children. As James said, by their fruits you shall know them, indeed.

 

 

He Wrote

 

(2) But these improvements do not show up in observable, down-to-earth ways.

 

Defending this premise with hard evidence answers most clearly the challenge that Muhammad levels against Christ and demonstrates beyond any doubt that Muhammad’s fruit is bad, whereas Christ’s fruit is indeed healthy and ripe.

 

My Response

 

Correction, the prophet Muhammad's fruits are very good and healthy, he tells us to fight for the opressed women and children, he also tells us to not kill women and children. Jesus in the Bible tells you to kill women and children, so I think we all know who has the good fruit.

 

He Wrote

 

The following list has already been developed in this article <ten_reasons.htm>, which is actually the basis for the current article. If the reader believes that these actual practices in Muhammad’s life and the following verses in the Quran are taken out of context or out of thin air, then he or she should go to the link, and then, once there, he or she should go to the further links provided under each point. These dubious practices actually happened in Muhammad’s community, and Muhammad in his Quran actually orders these atrocities. Also, to see the Quranic verses in multiple translations, the reader should go here and type in the references, like so: 24:2 (24 is the sura or chapter, and 2 is the verse).

 

My Response

 

Yes, here is the response to the first link you posted:

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttaltojamesarlandson1.htm

 

He Wrote

 

Muhammad nicknames his weapons.

Christ never owned weapons because he never waged war on people.

 

My Response

 

Just because the prophet Muhammad nicknamed his weapons doesnt make him an evil person, I just clearly showed the prophet Muhammad commanding the Muslims to NOT kill women and children. Here it is again incase you need to refresh your memory:

 

 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 257:

 

Narrated 'Abdullah:

During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

 

Sahih BukhariVolume 4, Book 52, Number 258:

 

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.

 

James also lies again, he claims that Jesus NEVER waged war on people, let me correct this sad lie of James using his own Bible:

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2

 

32-37

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

 

Who is the lord according to James? It is Jesus, so James lied.

Secondly, the fact that Jesus didn’t take part on battles during his lifetime on earth was because he never had his own city for himself, he never was attacked by large numbers of pagans like the prophet Muhammad was. Jesus had to experience angry mobs and that’s all, something the prophet Muhammad had to experience, but the prophet Muhammad didn’t go to war for that. The fact is Jesus was never attacked by an army to have gone into battle, so it is sad that Christians have to use logical fallacies to make an argument. It is like comparing someone who lived in Europe during WW2 with a person who lived in Europe during the 80's and then telling the person in WW2 that he was violent for fighting! Jesus never had to fight a battle, the prophet Muhammad was forced to defend himself and go into battle. So please do not use logical fallacies when you want to argue, in this case your logical fallacy is comparing two completely different situations when the circumstances are very different!

 

He Wrote

 

Muhammad in his Quran commands that adulterers and adulteresses should receive a hundred lashes (Sura 24:2). Reliable hadiths (Muhammad’s words and deeds outside of the Quran) command stoning them.

 

Christ forgave the woman caught in adultery. The men who had gathered around to stone her dropped their rocks and left. She stayed, weeping, until Christ told her to go and sin no more (John 8:1-11).

 

My Response

 

Yes, the prophet Muhammad follows the Quran, so thank you for admitting that you believe this is a bad thing; the reason that you believe this is a bad thing is because you can’t even follow the rules of your own Bible. Unlike you Christians, we Muslims do not compromise our book like you do yours, this is not a game, if God commands you to do something you go and do it. So this is a pathetic argument on the part of James, so basically James wants the prophet Muhammad to rebel against the system and make his own laws up and comprise the law of God! Hilarious!!! That is good fruits according to James.

 

The prophet Muhammad obeys God, so in fact James shows the prophet Muhammad had good fruits since he would follow God's orders and not compromise them. James apparently wants to comprise his Bible for his own man made desires, how sad; this is exactly why you have Gay bishops in the Church.

 

Also if James is basing his argument on mercy, then the prophet Muhammad is very merciful, he said do not kill women and children!

 

He Wrote

 

Muhammad in his Quran permits husbands to beat their wives (Sura 4:34).

Neither Christ nor the New Testament authors permit this or practiced this.

 

My Response

 

The same old argument. To begin with the Quran permits husbands to beat their wives as A LAST RESORT. They have around 3 other options.

Secondly, by beat the Quran does not mean to go and punch her up and so on. I will quote what the concept of beating your wife really means:

 

Muhammad Asad, in his footnote to this passage, #45, wrote:

 

It is evident from many authentic Traditions that the Prophet himself intensely detested the idea of beating one's wife, and said on more than one occasion, "Could any of you beat his wife as he would beat a slave, and then lie with her in the evening?" (Bukhari and Muslim). According to another Tradition, he forbade the beating of any woman with the words, "Never beat God's handmaidens" (Abu Da'ud, Nasa'i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Ibn Hibban and Hakim, on the authority of Iyas ibn 'Abd Allah; Ibn Hibban, on the authority of 'Abd Allah ibn 'Abbas; and Bayhaqi, on the authority of Umm Kulthum). When the above Qur'an-verse authorizing the beating of a refractory wife was revealed, the Prophet is reported to have said: "I wanted one thing, but God has willed another thing - and what God has willed must be best" (see Manar V, 74). With all this, he stipulated in his sermon on the occasion of the Farewell Pilgrimage, shortly before his death, that beating should be resorted to only if the wife "has become guilty, in an obvious manner, of immoral conduct", and that it should be done "in such a way as not to cause pain (ghayr mubarrih)"; authentic Traditions to this effect are found in Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Da'ud, Nasa'i and Ibn Majah. On the basis of these Traditions, all the authorities stress that this "beating", if resorted to at all, should be more or less symbolic - "with a toothbrush, or some such thing" (Tabari, quoting the views of scholars of the earliest times), or even "with a folded handkerchief" (Razi); and some of the greatest Muslim scholars (e.g., Ash-Shafi'i) are of the opinion that it is just barely permissible, and should preferably be avoided: and they justify this opinion by the Prophet's personal feelings with regard to this problem. (Source <http://www.geocities.com/masad02/004>; bold and underline emphasis ours)

 

So as you can see, the prophet claimed that you should do this act in a way that causes no pain.

 

Taken from http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/noble_quran_4_34.htm

 

“Men are the protectors and maintainers (in a proper and fair manner) of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).” (Qu’ran 4:34)

Notes:

·       The arabic word used for ‘ill-conduct/rebellion’ = nushooz

·       The arabic word used in noble verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" ,The word in Arabic means to "strike" or "hit". It inludes everything from a tap with a tooth-stick to what in English we call beating. If it is stated that so-and-so "hit" so-and-so without further description, it would be assumed to be a single blow and it could be of any magnitude. When the Prophet (sas) took a tiny stick and tapped one of the Muslims on the stomach to straighten the ranks in preparation for war, he "hit" him with this meaning. Contrast this to the English phrase: "beat them". The meaning is totally different. If you took a shoe lace and hit someone on the hand with it, you could properly say dharabtahu in Arabic but in English you could never say that you had "beaten" that person.



1 Does the Arabic word 'daraba' necessarily mean "violent or intense or repeated striking?


No, jurists routinely use the expression "daraba al-ma' `ala wajhihi" - lit. strike water upon the face, for someone accomplishing the first rukn of wudu' (washing the face).

Also in Arabic daraba al-ard "to strike the earth" - as in verse 4:94 {When you strike the earth in the cause of Allah} - means to travel, i.e. walking with a staff.

The Prophet (pbuh) also expressed astonishment at the cruelty of certain men when he said: "Could any of you beat his wife as he would beat a slave, and then lie with her in the evening ?" (Bukhari and Muslim).


The crafty little anti-Islam page on domini.org states:

"The Qur'an states:

"Righteous women are therefore obedient, And those you fear may be rebellious (nushuz) admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them."

 

"Some translators add the word lightly after 'beat them' in Q 4:34. Others like Mohammed Pickthall and Rodwell translate the word 'edrebouhon - beat them' as 'scourge them'. [...] But "a beating without causing injury" (agreed upon)

 

"So the man has the right to beat his rebellious wife as long as that beating is not like the whipping of the slave and will not result in injury."


Of course the above is false and tendentious but couched in the syrupy style typical of missionaries.

 

The hadith in Muslim states that the Prophet (pbuh) in his Farewell Pilgrimage said: "Lo! My last recommendation to you is that you should TREAT WOMEN WELL. Truly they are your helpmates, and you have no right over them beyond that - EXCEPT IF THEY COMMIT A MANIFEST INDECENCY. If they do, then refuse to share their beds and hit them WITHOUT INDECENT VIOLENCE . Then, if they obey you, do not show them hostility any longer. Lo! you have a right over your women and they have a right over you. Your right over your women is that they not allow whom you hate to enter your bed nor your house. While their right over them is that you treat them excellently in their garb and provision."


Note:


EXCEPT IF THEY COMMIT A MANIFEST INDECENCY = fahisha mubina (which means) : immorality that may lead to adultery

 

WITHOUT INDECENT VIOLENCE = fadribu hunna darban ghayra mubarrih

· Mubarrih = defined in al-Mawrid as "violent, intense, severe, acute, sharp, excruciating, tormenting, agonizing."

 

· Qatada said as narrated by al-Tabari in his Tafsir (5:68): "Ghayr mubarrih means ghayr sha'in = not disgraceful/ outrageous/ obscene/ indecent [beating]."

· Muhammad Asad translates it over-figuratively as “not causing pain


After this, whatever Muslim man derogates to the recommendation of the Prophet (pbuh) has violated his covenant with the Prophet and shall be called to account for it; and whoever of the non-Muslim men or women claims - even the Archbishop of Canterbury and his wife - that beating women is allowed in Islam, has belied the Divine witness invoked by the Prophet and shall be called to account for it in the Divine Court.


2 What is the evidence for saying that this 'striking' is in fact only supposed to be carried out with something small, like a miswak?

 

`Ata' said: "I asked Ibn `Abbas: 'What is the hitting that is ghayr al-mubarrih?' He replied: '[With] the siwak and the like'." Narrated by al-Tabari in his Tafsir (Dar al-Fikr reprint 5:68).

 

Al-Razi (3:222) mentions that as a rule (a) it must be a light beating and (b) the face must be avoided. He added that certain of the Shafi`i jurists said "a coiled scarf (mindil malfuf) or his hand may be used but not a whip nor a stick."

 

Answering false claim nr.1:

 

‘An answer to the false claim made by anti islamic people that the prophet (peace be upon him) commented on the complaining women and not the husbands in the hadith below’

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2141:

 

Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab:

Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not beat Allah's handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and said: women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Many women have gone round Muhammad's family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.

The christian missionary Silas claimed: Note here that Muhammad commented on the women who were complaining to his wives: "they are not the best among you". Muhammad was not commenting on the husbands who beat their wives.


Answer:


The above statement is such a big and cheap lie, the prophet was clearly condemning those husbands and not the women !

 

( see for the proof: Riyad as Saliheen chapter 34, nr 279 at <http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/PrintMedia/Hadith/H0004P0034.aspx> ) .


The prophet (peace be upon him) told the believers that ‘those husbands are not the best among you’ , the prophet (peace be upon him) also revoked the dispensation. Further this hadith proves that wife beating wat not permitted at all, since Umar came to ask permission for the prophet (peace be upon him), if hitting ones wife was normal and allowed in any case or in many cases, then umar wouldn’t asked the prophet (peace be upon him) permission for it, therefore:

 

·       The man has no right to beat his wife as per the explicit prohibition of the Prophet (peace be upon him)

 

·       The basic rule (asl) is strict prohibition, followed by dispensation (rukhsa) as explicited by the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the hadith where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Do not hit the maidservants of Allah ! " ( la tadribu ima' Allah ). Then Umar came to the Prophet and said ( by way of exaggeration , cf. ‘Awn al-Ma `bud ) : “The wome are rebelling ( dha'irna ) against their husbands ! “ So the prophet gave a dispensation ( rakhkhasa ) to beat them. Whereupon women started pouring to see the family of the messenger of Allah and complain about their husbands. Seeing this, the prophet said: “Many women have poured in to see the family of Muhammad, complaining of their husbands, and the latter are certainly not the best of you

 

(Narrated from Iyas ibn `Abd Allah ibn Abi Dhubab by al-Shafi`i in his Musnad, Abu Dawud, al-Nasa'i, Ibn Majah, al-Tabarani in al-Kabir, and al-Hakim. Al-Nawawi and al-Suyuti graded it a sound (sahih) narration in Riyad al-Salihin and al-Jami` al-Saghir respectively).


Another authentic version in Sahih Ibn Hibban (9:491) adds that the Prophet then revoked the dispensation. His statement that “the best of you are the best in their behavior towards their wives, and I am the best of you in my behavior towards my wives” shows that


(1) wife-beaters are the worst men and
(2) no Muslim wife-beater can possibly claim to imitate the Prophet , although Allah Most High said to imitate him : {Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last Day, and remembereth Allah much} (33:21).

(fatwa by sheikh G.F. Haddad, see also sheikh G.F. haddad’s answer given to question 1 in this article, where the prophet’s clearly explained in which conditions/situation hitting’s ones wife lighty and not in the face was allowed )

Answering false claim nr.2:


‘An answer to the false claim made by anti islamic people that the prophet one time beat aicha

 

(misunderstood hadith) Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2127:

 

Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

 

Answer to the mistranslation:

The term used in the hadith is:



Imam Nawawi in his Sharh states that:



The word "lahada" according to the lexicographers means, "to push" (dafa'a).

The usage of the word "struck" is not a correct translation. Rather, the phrase should be translated as (as sheikh Gf haddad said):


- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore

 

Secondly, this calls to an important matter that is related to the Hand imposition of the Prophet - Allah bless him - because it is a gesture associated with driving away evil influence (waswâs) and conferring blessing as the following reports show:

1. Ubay ibn Ka`b said:

"There occurred in my mind a sort of denial which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him - saw how I was affected, he slapped me on the chest. I broke into a sweat and felt as if I were looking at Allâh in fear." (Sahih Muslim)

2. Jarir ibn Abdullah Al Bajalî was sent by the Prophet - Allah bless him - on a mission to destroy Dhu Al Kahalasa, the idol-house of Khatham, nicknamed the Yemenite Kaba. Jarr narrates: