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 Rebuttal to James Arlandson's article
Allah and God at war: Worlds apart

 

By Sami Zaatari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He Wrote

 

Muslim polemicists sometimes assert that Allah commanded Muhammad to fight polytheists in the same way that God commanded Moses and Joshua to fight Canaanites (Sura 2:246-251). The two situations are similar, so why would Christians and Jews complain about Islamic jihad today?

 

My Response

 

Actually, correction Muslims do not say Allah commanded Muhammad to fight the un believers in the same why God commanded Moses, thats your first lie and error. Show me any verse from the Quran where Allah told the prophet Muhammad to go kill women and children, bring me the verse please. There is a major difference in the way Allah commanded Muhammad to fight the unbelievers compared to the way the God of the Bible commanded Moses to fight. In the Bible God commanded Moses to kill the women and children:

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2

32-37

 

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3

1-7

 

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves

 

So the God of the Bible told Moses to kill women and children. Let us see what Allah told us to fight for in the Quran:

 

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YUSUFALI: Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

 

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YUSUFALI: And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

 

So Allah in the Quran tells us to fight for the opressed women and children, the Bible tells us to kill them!!!!

 

So James is wrong in his first assertion, Muslims do not compare the situation of Muhammad with Moses, the Bible told Moses to kill women and children, Allah told the Muslims to fight for women and children. I challenge James to bring one verse from the Quran saying go kill women and children like the Bible does, just one.

 

Now I would also like James to show me Muslim polemcists saying what he said:

 

Muslim polemicists sometimes assert that Allah commanded Muhammad to fight polytheists in the same way that God commanded Moses and Joshua to fight Canaanites

 

Can you show me those Muslims? I am not saying you invented that claim up, however so I would just like a reference to where I can find these Muslim polemicists saying that.

 

 

He Wrote

 

However, the comparison between the two cultures is completely flawed.

 

My Response

 

True, your Bible says kill the women and kids, my Quran says fight for the women and kids.

 

He Wrote

 

However, it should be pointed out, importantly, that God’s best is always to do good to people, and annihilation is not the sweep of the entire Old Testament; rather, this extreme decree is used only in exceptionally rare cases, especially concerning the Canaanites.

 

My Response

 

I find it sad that James has to intentionally lie to his readers, let me correct James once again. Annihilation is not a RARE case in the Bible as James said, James is simply lying to his audience by making such a claim. To expose this sad lie I will quote several Bible verses showing annihilation, not only to Canaanites but to Ethipoians as well. It seems James did not know Muslims apologists like myself would pick up on that lie of his, and it also seems that James did not know Muslim apologists as myself know the Bible verses that Christians like to hide away.

 

Here are the verses and you judge for yourself if this is a RARE case:

 

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2

 

32-37

 

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

 

Note the verses say CITIES, in the plural, how many cities could that have been? These verses itself refute that annihilation was rare, if you go and destroy cities is that something rare? If you destroyed one city then yes it would be, but from these passages we see that CITIES were destroyed.

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3

 

1-7

 

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves

 

So does this sound rare to you? How many cities is that? This is enough to refute your sad lie that this was something rare. For the sake of the reader I will quote more passages to expose your lie and this will prove you shoddy scholarship writing and will prove that you are no scholar but a liar.

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7

 

1-6

 

1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth

 

How many tribes is that? that is 7 nations that are about to be wiped out! Put that on top of all the other cities that have already been destroyed and you have a holocaust!

 

Numbers

Chapter 31

 

7-12

 

7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

 

Another massacre, does this seem to be something rare?

 

Joshua
Chapter 6

 

17-27

 

17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

 

Another massacre, hmmm yes this is something very rare. How many massacres is that now? Go count them for yourself.

 

Zephaniah 2:12-15

 

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist

 

Now the Ethiopians and Assyrians are being destroyed!! So much for James saying that it was mainly Caananites who got annihilated. As we see, Ethopians, Assyrians, and many other tribes have been massacred. Up to 8 other races than the Caananites have been massacared so far.

 

Ezekiel 9:5-7

 

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

 

Another massacare.

 

Jeremiah 51:20-26

 

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.

 

Another massacre.

 

 

So it is pretty clear for all the readers to see that people being massacred and annihilated is something very normal in the Bible, it is not something rare at all! So James is guilty of lying, he is guilty of mis-representing his own book, such shoddy scholarship is unacceptable. That is what you call a class act missionary.

 

He Wrote

 

The Hebrew Bible says:

 

However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them . . . as the LORD your God has commanded you. (Deuteronomy 20:16-17, NIV)

 

It must be admitted that from our perspective two thousand years after Christ came, this passage is difficult emotionally. But we must place ourselves around 1,400 years before Christ. This present article may help us to do this.

 

My Response

 

Yes, this passage is emotionally diffucult and disturbing. Being commanded to go kill women and kids.

 

He Wrote

 

The Quran says:

 

9:1 A release by God and His Messenger from the treaty you [believers] made with the polytheists [is announced]—2 you [polytheists] may freely move about the land for four months, but you should bear in mind both that you will not escape God, and that God will disgrace those who ignore [Him] . . . 5 When the [four] forbidden months are over, wherever you find the polytheists, kill [q-t-l] them, seize them, besiege them, ambush them—but if they turn [to God], maintain the prayer, and pay the prescribed alms, let them go their way, for God is most forgiving and merciful. (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

 

Muhammad is warning polytheists that he is canceling treaties with them or letting the treaties expire according to their terms, but they will not be renewed. Hence, polytheists must either convert or be killed (q-t-l). This Arabic root means killing, warring, and slaughtering.

 

This passage in the Quran comes 600 years after Christ, who showed us a better way, so the passage is doubly hard to accept.

 

My Response

 

This passage is doubly hard to accept? Really? Does the passage say kill women and children? James has just prove himself to be a very sick man, he claims that a verse that does NOT say kill women and kids is more disturbing than a verse that says kill women and kids!!! What a sick man you are James, I wouldnt want to have any kids around such a disturbing man as yourself.

 

Now I would also like James for quoting that verse, he also exposes himself once again for not quoting the next passage! James is really on a roll here.

 

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YUSUFALI: If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

So why didn’t James quote this verse? so James, can you tell us why you didn’t quote this verse? Is it because this verse refutes your whole argument and completely debunks your silly notion that the Bible war passages and the Quran war passages are similar when in fact they arent?

 

Note how the Quran offers the enemies safe havens, the Bible says dont make peace treaties with the enemies!

 

 

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1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them

 

The Bible says show no mercy, meaning just go kill them all, no peace treaties, no nothing.

 

He Wrote

 

At least five major factors make the comparison between Allah and God misguided and weak. In this article, God means the God of the Bible, whereas Allah means the god of the Quran.

 

My Response

 

Ok.

 

He Wrote

 

1. The historical span of Quranic and Biblical history must be considered.

 

The Old Testament books covers around 1,400 hundred years before Christ, and God did not send out leaders to wage war in most of these years. For example, the Book of Judges alone says that ancient Hebrews enjoyed many decades of peace between each judge who was raised up in order to fight off aggression, sometimes as long as eighty years, longer than Muhammad’s 63 years (Judges 3:11, 31; 5:31; 8:28, to cite only these examples).

 

My Response

 

Whethor some one experianced more peace does not really mean much. The prophet Muhammad constantly had problems with unbeliveing pagans so therefore he did not have the comfort of having much peace since his enemies always wanted to wipe Islam out, and offcourse they all failed.

 

He Wrote

 

In Islam, Muhammad lived in Medina for only ten years (AD 622-632). In this brief time, he either sent out or went out on seventy-four raids, expeditions, or full-scale wars. They range from small assassination hit squads to eliminate anyone who insulted him, to an Islamic Crusade during which Muhammad led 30,000 jihadists against Byzantine Christians.

 

My Response

 

The reason he went on full scale wars was to eliminate the threat of enemies who wanted to take the Muslims out, and also he went to full scale wars because the pagans had always started the fights with him. As for the supposed Muslim crusade visit this link which gives the background around surah 9 which is what James is referring to:

 

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html

 

As for prophet Muhammad killing people who insulted him and so on, show me this, and show me the isnad and don’t bring weak sources please. So we will be waiting for that information. Please visit this link as it deals with this issue as well:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/karim/forgeries_about_killing.htm

 

He Wrote

 

Allah compelled Muhammad to fight often in his ten years according to the evidence in the Quran and Islamic history, but the true God for over 1,400 years did not wage nearly as many wars per year in Israel’s existence according to the Bible and Biblical history.

 

My Response

 

Well you are lying again, I showed you multiple verses showing that several cities were destroyed by Moses and his army. So yes your God did wage a lot of wars, in fact they are not even wars, they are just massacres of women and children.

 

He Wrote

 

2. The Canaanites were beyond hope, whereas the Arab polytheists could be converted.

 

In the Old Testament, sometimes God commands all inhabitants of a region or town to be wiped out entirely, like Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18:16-19:29), The Quran also approves of this destruction (Suras 7:80-84; 11:77-83; 15:61-77; 26:165-173; 27:54-58; 29:28-30). This is the big lesson of the Genesis passage. If God had found even only ten righteous in those cities, then he would not have destroyed them. But he did destroy them, so Sodom and Gomorrah did not have even ten righteous, except Lot and his family, who were forewarned and escaped.

 

An analysis by Samuel J. Schultz in his basic introduction to the Old Testament describes the irretrievable degradation of the Canaanites. After describing the Canaanite deities, he writes of the Canaanite people:

 

Since the gods of the Canaanites had low moral character, it is not surprising that the morality of the people was extremely low. The brutality and immorality in the stories about these gods is far worse than anything found in the Near East . . . The Canaanites in Joshua’s day practiced child sacrifice, sacred prostitution, and snake worship in their rites and ceremonies associated with religion. Naturally their civilization degenerated under this demoralizing influence. (Samuel J. Schultz, The Old Testament Speaks, 2nd ed., New York: Harper and Row, 1970, p. 92)

 

Thus, by comparison with surrounding nations in the Near East, which were not beacons of monotheism and righteousness, to say the least, the Canaanites practiced religious rituals far worse than surrounding nations in the Ancient Near East. Carthage, a city on the North African coast and settled by Phoenicians, who were part of the Ancient Near East, has yielded countless baby skeletons that had been used in sacrifice. So these people were too far gone.

 

It must be clearly repeated that according to the Bible no region or town that had a hope of repentance or righteousness was ever wiped out. But when it was, then we can be sure that God was acting wisely and justly, even if our modern emotions do not like this aspect of God’s character.

 

See this lengthy article <http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qamorite.html> on how the Canaanites were worse than the surrounding pagan nations. The article also has a thorough explanation of God’s severe decree.

 

My Response

 

So it is just to go and kill women and kids by the sword? Hmmm nice logic there. So basically all James is doing is justifying the killing of women and children, this is what you call a very lost Christian extremist.

 

I would also like to expose the sub heading that James gives which is this:

 

 

2. The Canaanites were beyond hope, whereas the Arab polytheists could be converted.

 

James gives a false impression; to begin with, the prophet Muhammad did not go and wipe out entire tribes like in the Bible! In the Bible Moses not only wiped the Canaanites out, but several other tribes! As James also stated, the Arabs could be converted, many of them did convert! The only ones the prophet Muhammad fought where the ones who kept on fighting him and wanting to kill him. So James gives a false impression, he tried to make it seem that the prophet Muhammad went and wiped out the entire Arab pagans when in fact this is not the case. The prophet Muhammad got Makkah without a fight! No blood was shed at all.

 

He Wrote

 

In contrast, Allah never commanded Muhammad to wipe out all the inhabitants of a region or town in Arabia at first. Rather, Allah and his prophet killed some and let others live, based on whether they accepted Islam. Evidently, the pagans of Arabia were not beyond hope.

 

My Response

 

So James himself admits the point I just caught him out for! Allah never commanded Muhammad to wipe out all the inhabitants! So why did James give the misleading impression! The prophet Muhammad did not kill people on the basis to whether they believed or not. In fact the Bible commands people to kill other people if they don’t believe in the same God!

 

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13

 

6-18

 

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

 

He Wrote

 

Therefore, the historical context in Arabia 600 years after Christ is the exact opposite of the situation in Canaan 1400 years before Christ. Jesus ushered in a new era of salvation, and Christianity made some impact in Arabia. Hence, Muhammad’s treaties with pagans differ widely from God’s command to Moses and Joshua in their historical timeframes.

Allah’s and Muhammad’s policy of letting some pagans live and killing others in the same tribe necessarily means that the pagans of Arabia were not as hopelessly degenerate as the utterly annihilated Canaanites were—so Allah and Muhammad should never have waged war on them in the first place. Granted that the pagans of Arabia were not completely righteous, they still had hope and light that the Canaanites did not. But it is more accurate to say that Allah’s and Muhammad’s policy is ad hoc and confused.

 

The fact that Muhammad kept calling Arab pagans to convert—and some did—means that they were not beyond hope, so the parallel between God and Allah in the convertibility of the different pagans in the widely different historical contexts (ancient Israel and Late Antiquity Arabia) breaks down.

 

This therefore means that the comparison between the two historical periods is misguided.

 

My Response

 

The pagans did have a light and hope, that was the prophet Muhammad. Many of them never wanted to have peace with him or accept him, so they kept on fighting him and the prophet Muhammad simply fought them back. So James has no point it seems, we the Muslims know the pagans had hope! That is why unlike your Bible, Allah didnt command the prophet Muhammad to wipe them out! The prophet Muhammad fought them when they fought him, simple.

 

As for you claiming that Allah and the prophet Muhammad are confused, I say that you are confused, you are lost, you are a sad liar, and you sure are no scholar to me.

 

He Wrote

 

3. God is very specific about who should be wiped out entirely and who should live, whereas Allah feels his way.

 

God’s decrees are clear and specific, based on his wisdom. Here are four examples. First, God decreed that Edom should live, for the Edomites descended from Esau, the brother of Jacob. They were also outside of the Promised Land (Numbers 20:14-21; Deuteronomy 2:4-6). Second, God decreed that the Midianites should be battled because of their seduction of the people of God into a specially degraded immorality and idolatry (Numbers 25:1-18; and 31:1-54). Third, in the textual context of laying down the rules of warfare, the ancient Hebrews were commanded to offer peace to the pagan cities outside of the Promised Land of Canaan. But if these cities refused peace, then the Hebrews were to battle them. After victory, the pagan women and children were spared, but the men were killed (Deuteronomy 20:10-15). Fourth, in the same textual context of warfare, all cities within the Promised Land should be wiped out (Deuteronomy 20:16-18).

 

My Response

 

I would like to thank James for lying again, note what he said:

 

Third, in the textual context of laying down the rules of warfare, the ancient Hebrews were commanded to offer peace to the pagan cities outside of the Promised Land of Canaan. But if these cities refused peace, then the Hebrews were to battle them

 

It is sad James has to lie about his own book, James only told you part of the treaty, not all the terms of the treaty. I will quote the terms of the treaty with the part that James was to ashamed to mention:

 

Deuteronomy 20: 10-15 :

 

10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. 12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: 13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

 

So as you can see, there is a stipulation to this treaty, the people have to become slaves for you!!!!!! So question, why didnt James mention that part? Was he ashamed? Was he scared? I think he was, the fact he didnt mention it shows how corrupt he believes his own book is.

 

 

He Wrote

 

In these policies that are related to blood-ties, special punishments, geographical distance from Canaan (see point no. 5, below), and the Promised Land itself, God is very specific and very clear—though admittedly severe. He has a divine foundation and explanations for his tough actions. He was not growing in knowledge and feeling his way, for he laid out these policies before battle began and before the ancient Hebrews entered the Promised Land.

 

This divine clarity does not mean that the ancient Hebrews carried out God’s decrees perfectly; they did not. For example, Joshua failed to consult the Lord in the Gibeonite deception, so he failed to wipe them out (Joshua 9). In the period of the Judges, Israel’s disobedience was worse. But God’s command was still clear. So the people’s disobedience did not mean that the decrees were unclear or evolving or changing. Their disobedience is just that—disobedience on the human level

 

My Response

 

All this doesnt change the fact your God ordered prophets to kill women and kids. So I do not see what is the use to all this, all your doing is lying, and bringing up points to which no one cares, at the end of the day women and children are being murdered and no one cares about your sad explanations.

 

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Further, God was not feeling his way, decreeing annihilation on one people to the next in an ad-hoc way, based, for example, on the ancient Hebrews’ military might. God said to them: "When you go to war against your enemies and see horses and chariots and an army greater than yours, do not be afraid of them" . . . (Deuteronomy 20:1). God decreed this goal of purging the land without concern for the size of the military of the ancient Hebrews or their enemies—before the Hebrews started the conquests. He did not send down progressive revelations of letting some live and others die, strictly because of fluctuating circumstances that God learns about from one moment from the next.

 

My Response

 

All this means nuthing.

 

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In contrast, Muhammad’s god fluctuates according to circumstances. He goes from one treaty or command to the next in regards to the polytheists in Arabia.

 

It is difficult to trust that Allah can read the pagans’ hearts, as Muhammad progressed in his revelations from peace with pagans (and Jews) to their deaths in some cases, but not in others, even at the same time and in the same region, based on his military power. For example, early on, Allah and Muhammad wanted to purify the Kabah shrine, but they were unable militarily (Sura 2:125-126; 190-195). Then, nine years later, after they grow in military power, they set out to purify (read: conquer) Arabia. After this is mostly accomplished, they set out to conquer the Byzantine Empire. Thus, Allah and Muhammad do not act thoroughly, but stumblingly, based on military strength, not a secure divine decree.

 

My Response

 

Now it is funny how James has to further lie. When the prophet Muhammad and his army first fought the pagans, they were outnumbered! The prophet Muhammad was not greater in number, so thats a lie on your part. The last point you bring up has already been adressed in the links I posted. Bring something new to the table please.

 

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Specifically, in Arabia alone, Allah and Muhammad sign the Treaty of Hudaybiyah with Meccan pagans in AD 628. He was caught in a tight squeeze, so he agreed, under Allah’s guidance, to live peacefully with the Meccans. Then a year later Muhammad finds (in his own mind) probable cause to break the treaty. Then even later than that, according to Sura 9:1-5, quoted above, Allah permits Muhammad unilaterally to break treaties with polytheists, but in other cases he keeps the treaties until their expiration date. Even the highly respected Muslim commentator Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi says in his comment on those Quranic verses that Muhammad did not fight polytheists sometimes because he was too weak, so he settled for a treaty. But when he became strong, he terminated the treaties (unilaterally) in Sura 9:1-5 (The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 2, p. 218, note 82). This implies that Muhammad and his god should never have waged war on the Arab polytheists in the first place, 600 years after Christ came.

 

My Response

 

As for Muhammad breaking the treaty here and there, why dont you please show this to us. For more on the treaty of Hudaybiyah please visit this link:

 

http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/rebuttal_to_sam_shamoun_42_part2.htm

 

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Allah’s zigzagging differs entirely from the true God’s clarity in the Old Testament. God does not change his mind based on a surprising circumstance that he does not seem to foresee. In severe decrees especially, God is not in training or in process, as seen in progressive revelations.

 

Thus, the true God is clear and stable in his severe, divine commands, whereas Allah is unclear and fluctuating in his severe commands. This is significant because Allah gives the impression of feeling his way, but God is decisive.

 

My Response

 

Actually the terms of war are very clear in the Quran. Fight those who fight you, and make peace if they make peace with you:

 

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YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

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YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

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YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Those are the rules on Islamic warfare, very plane and simple.

 

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4. Who was attacked?

 

In the Bible, the true God orders warfare only against Canaanites who were too far gone in their decadence. Let us assume, contrary to fact, that a nation neighboring Israel was made up of ethical monotheists. Would the true God decree that a war should be waged against them? To reason deductively, Deuteronomy 20:10-15 says explicitly not to attack nearby pagans outside of Canaan. Also, Jonah preached to Nineveh hundreds of miles away, and the inhabitants of this city were neither degraded Canaanites nor monotheists. Jonah preached good news. So how much more would God not attack a nation if it were made up of monotheists?

 

The bottom line is this: the only reason that God ordered these wars after the Exodus was to purge a small and specific land (see no. 5, below). He did not ordain wars of conquest outside of Israel to spread the Hebrew religion around the known world. If the Hebrew religion were spread, it was done by proclamation, as seen in the calling of Jonah.

On the other hand, Muhammad waged war on polytheists, and Muslims believe that these polytheists were also too far gone morally—a questionable belief as seen in point no. two, but let us assume it only for the sake of argument. Then problems still emerge.

Namely, Muhammad also attacked Jews and Christians, who are monotheists.

 

As for the Christians, Muhammad embarked on an Islamic Crusade against the Byzantines in AD 630. The Byzantines never showed up, so Muhammad the prophet believed a false rumor that the Byzantines were mustering a large army to invade Arabia. But along the way he extracted agreements and protection money from Arab Christians (and Jews) so that they would not be attacked again by Muhammad. Allah ordained wars of conquest outside of Arabia in order to spread Islam by military force. Muhammad and his deity wanted either conversion (the converted paid a "charity" or zakat tax) or money in a jizya tax on the unconverted. Either way, money flowed into the Islamic treasury back in Arabia.

 

As for Muhammad’s attacks on the Jews of Medina, they were not as degenerate as the polytheists in Muhammad’s times. At first, Muhammad wanted to be accepted by the Jews, for they held to the Torah. But the Jews rightly rebuffed him as being outside of Biblical revelation and as being a gentile. As the conflict with them grew and Allah’s and Muhammad’s military power grew, their policy progressively changes, but never improves; it devolves. He clears the Jews out of Medina first by exile (Qaynuqa tribe); then by military besiegement and exile (Nadir tribe); and finally by extermination of the men and enslavement of the women and children, except he kept a beautiful Jewish woman for himself (Qurayza tribe). In this gradual elimination, Muhammad waged a propaganda war, dehumanizing <jew_apes.htm> some of the Jews by calling them "apes" and "pigs" (Suras 7:166; 2:65; 5:60).

 

For more on this dubious policy on the Jews, please refer to this article <jews.htm>, where the standard lines of defense put forward by Muslims are answered.

 

These changes in Allah’s policies on Christians and Jews reveal that Allah’s decrees are based on the shifting sands of circumstances, such as military power or weakness, and progressive revelations. He wants to be accepted by both of them at first, but they reject him, so his militancy grows according to those circumstances.

 

Certainly, the God of Israel would never have exterminated a city that had ten righteous citizens. That is the lesson of Genesis 18:16-19:29, in which Abraham questioned God’s decree to destroy these cities. On the other hand, Muhammad did not kill Jews and Christians to rid Arabia of dark polytheism because the Jews and Christians are not polytheists. So Muhammad’s warpath is confused. Moses and Joshua were commanded to rid Canaan of paganism that had become darker than the paganism found in the ancient Near East. Any comparison between the two divergent cultures at the time of Moses and at the time of Muhammad is seriously flawed.

 

Muhammad’s attacks on monotheists, besides polytheists, in and outside of Arabia demonstrate beyond all doubt that Allah and God at war are worlds apart.

 

My Response

 

I cannot believe how James blatantly lies to his audience, note what he said:

 

In the Bible, the true God orders warfare only against Canaanites who were too far gone in their decadence

 

From where does he get this from? His Bible says other wise:

 

 

Zephaniah 2:12-15

 

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist

 

Are Ethiopians and Assyrians considered Canaanites?

 

So once again you are exposed as a liar, this is around the 3rd time you have lied.

 

The rest of what James said is simply barking if you ask me, no offense. His barkings are responded to on this link:

 

 

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html

 

So why don’t you bark some more you sad liar.

 

As for the prophet Muhammad and the Jews in Madinah, he made treaties with them and attacked them after the Jews broke the treaty! Is that to hard for James to understand?

 

Even by the end of all his barking, James still has to live with the fact that his Bible says kill women and kids, the Quran however says no such thing. The Quran says fight for the opressed women and children.

 

I urge all readers to visit these links as they deal with the weak points that James brings up:

 

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/blessed_jesus.htm

 

 

As for Bani Qurayza here is a link regarding them and why they were attacked by the prophet Muhammad:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

 

Some other links:

 

http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/Questions/QA00003873.aspx

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/?p=242

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/index.php/articles/the-expulsion-of-banu-al-qurayzah

 

 

Also other links which address his points:

 

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/index.php/articles/the-expulsion-of-banu-qaynuqa

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/books/state/chapter_19.html

http://home.att.net/~LouaySafi/articles/2001/peace-war/ch3.htm

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/index.php/articles/the-expulsion-of-banu-al-nadir

 

 

Every point James brought up is addressed in those links

 

 

 

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5. Geography is a factor.

God told the ancient Hebrews to cleanse the land of Canaan, but not to do this to surrounding nations (Deuteronomy 20:10-15). To repeat points in nos. three and four, the only reason these wars after the Exodus were decreed was to purge a small and specific land. God did not ordain the conquest of large regions far beyond Israel, in order to spread the Hebrew religion. It is true that King David grew so powerful that he asked tribute of surrounding nations, but by the next generation Israel became divided: Israel in the north, and Judah in the south. True, Jeroboam II expanded northern Israel’s borders a few decades before the fall of the northern kingdom, but the entire land of Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River, is about the size of New Jersey (or a little bigger depending on the historical timeframe), one of the smallest states in the US. How does this temporary expansion of Israel’s power compare to the Assyrian, Babylonian, or Egyptian Empires? How does this compare to the Islamic Empire within only a few decades after the death of Muhammad in AD 632?

In contrast, Muslims could claim that Allah told Muhammad to cleanse only Arabia of polytheists, but Allah also tells his prophet and his successors to expand beyond this region to conquer other territories, like the Persian and Byzantine Empires and a city like Jerusalem. Thus, ancient Israel had a completely different calling that is related specifically to their land, which is small geographically, whereas Islam waged war on peoples of distant lands, far beyond Arabia.

It is impossible to exaggerate the importance of "the land" in Biblical history. God wanted only a specific land to be purified, not worldwide conquest. But Allah waged war on the entire known world. God’s severe decree to Moses and Joshua was confined, restricted, and specific: the Canaanites; Allah’s severe decree to Muhammad was not. Allah wants the whole world by military conquest. Thus, Moses and his successors and Muhammad and his successors are completely different as their goals relate to geography, so the comparison of them is flawed and untenable.

Therefore, for these five reasons a comparison between the true God and Allah at war is erroneous. They are worlds apart.

 

My Response

 

Once again, old rubbish arguments, his points are addressed in this link:

 

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html

 

 

So could you please bring something new?

 

 

 

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A Christian Perspective

For Christians, this debate is academic, anyway, because they believe that the first coming of Jesus Christ, 600 years before Muhammad, ushered in a new era of salvation, a way to God that excels the one offered in the Old Testament, and much better than the one offered in the Quran; thus, Muhammad’s wars on polytheists were misguided from the start, for historical and theological reasons.

History demonstrates that Muhammad should have never waged war on polytheists or anyone else, for that matter.

Christians honor the Old Testament and regard it as inspired, but at the same time they acknowledge that it was written for its own times; they also believe that Christ fulfilled it, and hence they must rise above such commands as animal sacrifices, diet restriction, and wars over geopolitical "holy" sites like Jerusalem—what the Emperor Constantine and the Medieval Crusaders did is not foundational to Christianity; only Christ is. With that said, no Christian should ever believe that the God of the Old Testament and the New Testament are different. They are not. The same God who purified the specific land of Canaan through Joshua by military warfare is now purifying the whole world through Jesus (the Hebrew name is Joshua) by spiritual warfare, that is, by preaching the gospel.

 

My Response

 

Yes, and after all this ranting from you the fact remains your book says go kill women and kids. I challenge you to bring me a single verse from the Quran giving such a command. It is obvious you cannot defend the trash found in Deuteronomy and elsewhere, I don’t blame you neither, you are in a very difficult position and your only way out is to lie which is all you have done so far.

 

As for history, history demonstrates that Muhammad should have gone to war with the pagans and was right to do so, the only reason your mad is because Muhammad established Islam as the main religion in Arabia.

 

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Moreover, before and at the time of Christ, the Romans, under the influence of critical and rationalistic Greek philosophers, established laws and law courts around the larger Greco-Roman world; though they were not perfect, at least they stopped the law of the jungle from prevailing. Thinkers contemplated natural justice, and this produced many righteous people (cf. Romans 2:1-16).

Muhammad’s Arabia, though not heavily influenced by Roman culture, still had the seeds of righteousness and monotheism sown into its soil through Jewish communities in Medina and elsewhere, and Christian communities scattered here and there, especially along trade routes, on which caravans and ideas traveled. Therefore, the vastly different historical contexts between Moses and Joshua and Muhammad rule out any parallels, especially when Christ appeared to mediate between the two divergent historical contexts.

But the challenge to Muhammad’s path of jihad is also theological.

 

My Response

 

More and more ranting, it is obvious James cannot defend his filthy book which says to go and kill women and kids. Again, I don’t blame him.

 

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is basic Christian belief (and devout Jewish belief) that it takes time for the light of ethical monotheism to transform the world around it for the better (though it will not succeed one hundred percent), and by Muhammad’s time, that light penetrated into Arabia. Christ died for all peoples everywhere—even for the Arab polytheists whom Muhammad slaughtered. Christ’s sacrificial death clears the way to heaven for everyone who believes and trusts in him. The Holy Spirit is available for all people, and he woos them to Christ, as the true Word of God is preached. In the new era of salvation, the anno domini, in the year of the Lord Jesus, the Arab polytheists were not beyond hope of conversion by peaceful means (though one hundred percent may not convert).

Thus, Muhammad should never have set out to kill them. And forcing their conversions by the sword was never the answer, either. It must be admitted, though, that the Arab Christian church in the early seventh century did not seem up to the task of preaching the gospel powerfully enough to ensure the peaceful conversions of multitudes to Christ—but that church’s shortcoming does not change the eternal, Scriptural blueprint for the salvation and hope that Christ brings with his life, death, and resurrection, even for the Arab polytheists.

A prominent Iranian Muslim scholar living in the US, Seyyed H. Nasr, says that Muhammad was different from Christ (read: better than Christ) because Muhammad participated in the world in order to transform it, like the prophet-kings of the Old Testament, whereas Christ "retired" from it (Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Muhammad: Man of God, Chicago: Kazi, 1995, p. 46). (Nasr also says that the Buddha retired from the world, but even this assertion is wrong.)

 

My Response

 

I have bad news for James, Jesus never died for you, Paul the liar lied to you and 1 billion other Christians who still believe this fairy tale. You follow Paul, not Jesus.

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/problem_of_paul.htm

 

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Nasr’s purpose is to obliquely defend Muhammad’s warfare and violence by linking them to the Old Testament way of God’s dealing. But this assessment of Christ and Muhammad is wrong on three points.

First, Nasr’s assessment misrepresents the life of Christ who participated and transformed the world around him. He healed the sick, cast out demons, raised the dead, challenged kings and governors, and dodged the traps set by religious leaders. He was even almost thrown off a cliff by an angry mob, but he confidently walked away (Luke 4:28-30). He did not seek revenge on them, as Muhammad did on the Meccans who persecuted him (Sura 8:39). Christ loved sinners; he did not kill them. It is clear, then, that Christ did not retreat from the world.

 

My Response

 

Actually, since you believe Christ is God then this means he is the God who ordered Moses to kill women and kids, this means that Christ killed! So go learn your own scriptures, you cannot throw the OT away.

 

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Second, comparing Muhammad to the prophet-kings is to insult them, given the contrast between the Old Testament and Muhammad. The true God’s severe commands better be clear—which is not the case with Allah’s commands. This unclarity therefore calls into question whether the true God gave Muhammad these commands in the first place, commands to kill polytheists or Jews or Christians on one day, but not on another, merely because Muhammad’s military power fluctuated. Thus, God and Moses and his successors rise above Allah and Muhammad and his successors. God and Allah are worlds apart.

 

My Response

 

Actually, me posting your filthy article and responding to it is an insult to myself and the reader, and I also apologize to the readers for posting such rubbish from a lying missionary but I feel I must respond because sometimes these silly missionaries actually think they can get away with their lying. How can you expect us to take you seriously James? You have been caught lying a few times in this article of yours, so what should we do you? You have also mis-represented you own book! How pathetic are you man?

 

As for the rest of what you said, I already addressed this.

 

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Third, even if we were to assume, contrary to fact, that the comparison between Muhammad and the prophet-kings of the Old Testament were somewhat close, then that would be sufficient grounds for Christians to reject Muhammad, because Jesus fulfills and completes the Old Testament. Jesus said about John the Baptist, the last prophet of the Old Testament era, representing Elijah: "[anyone] who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than [John]" (Matthew 11:11). Now that the New Testament era has appeared, the ordinary believer is greater than the last of the Old Testament prophets, John the Baptist, the forerunner of Christ. God’s kingdom has taken a new direction. Therefore, why would any Christian want to follow a prophet who is modeled after the Old Testament? Muhammad revives a diluted, derivative old law, which is not even as good as the Old Law, the Torah.

To sum up, on the controversial issue of killing in obedience to divine decree, Muhammad and his successors fall short of Moses and his successors in the Old Testament, and Muhammad falls far, far short of Christ’s new way of converting sinners in the New Testament. Islam does not complete the two earlier western religions; rather, it strays too far from them in the wrong direction. Therefore, Islam should never be placed above Judaism, and especially above Christianity.

Therefore, Muhammad was a deformer, not a reformer of Judaism and Christianity.

Jesus saves. Muhammad killed.

 

My Response

 

Actually, Islam is far above Judaism and Christianity. Both of your religions have become corrupt, each one is more corrupt than the other, the Christians do not believe in the prophet Muhammad, the Jews do not believe in the prophet Jesus.

 

Islam corrected both religions after both of them went astray, Islam came with better laws than the OT and the NT. Unlike the OT, the Quran shows mercy to its enemies, and it also doesn’t say go kill women and children. Also unlike the NT, the Quran does not make silly idiotic laws such as saying if you get slapped then turn the check, this is something impossible to find, in fact most Christians do not follow it because its impossible.

 

I find it very funny that James seems to forget that Jesus and Moses killed women and children. Very funny indeed, again my challenge to James is this. Bring me one verse from the Quran that says kill women and children. Just write and article with the title, here is the surah, post the verse and that’s all.

 

The only deformer of religion is Paul, he deformed the teachings of Jesus and invented his own religion called Christianity. Islam corrected this rubbish made by Paul.

 

The Bible says kill women and children. The Quran says fight for women and children. Praise Allah the true God!

 

 

MISSIONARY EXPOSED! YOU ARE NO SCHOLAR, YOU ARE A LIAR.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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