Further Topic Research:


200 years no gospels | 24 other thrones besides Jesus'  | Jesus' problematic hyperboles: made sinful lawful and lawful sinful | Jesus was created |
What's new | A-Z library (3300+ articles) | "Muslims" was the original title | Quran Search | Quran Moral Code (100s of them) | Quran: Bibles are filled with corrupt  قول  qaowl (doctrines of sayings and writings)  | "bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah | Jesus said he was powerless |  Paul said he wasn't sure about Holy Spirit | Disciples called each other liars, satanic, false | Paul commanded women to not expose  sex predators | Research & Blog | 9/11 Israel-lie | Youtube | |

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [
1]

   
  
  

 

Even Mary, the mother of Jesus, got a finger inserted in her!

 

 

Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bibles:

The sections of this article are:

1-  My personal note and experience with this issue.
2- Males and Females in the Bible did it to females.

     -  Even Mary got a finger inserted in her!

3-  Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughter's vaginas before marriage in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).
4-  Fathers have full control over their daughters.
5-  Why would fathers do that?
6-  The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!
7-  How can you justify "digital defloration" to your sister or daughter?
8-  Some minority Christians in Europe still do it today!
9-  Numbers 31:7, 17-18 further prove that fingers were inserted into virgin girls!
      -  3-year old girls were raped by Moses and his men!
10-  Rebuttals.
11-  Conclusion.

 

 

 

1-  My personal note and experience with this issue:

When I was young, I once heard about this sick tradition from my father, that fathers would stick their fingers covered in a cloth into their daughters' vaginas few hours before their daughters' weddings and display the cloth before everyone to prove that she was a virgin.  I heard that it was practiced among some people in the Middle East in the very old days, especially in the southern part of Egypt, Iraq, Iran and Morocco.  I wasn't sure exactly who these people were, because Egypt has Muslims, Christians and Jews in it.  The southern part certainly is mixed with all these religions.  So it's quite possible that even some Muslims practiced it, even though there is nothing about this sick tradition mentioned in any Islamic doctrine.

When I read Deuteronomy 22:13-18 in the Bible, as it is explained in details in the article, I couldn't believe it!  I was in great shock!  The Bible matched exactly what I heard about when I was young.

 

 

2-  Males and Females in the Bible did it to females:

Before we get into the fathers and daughters issue, it is important first to know that some males in the Bible did it to females.  Let us look at the following information:

"There were, of course, others who might examine accused brides. Dwyer, 63, notes the role of doctors in modern Morocco. In pre-modern times this role was performed by midwives (see Westermarck, Marriage Ceremonies in Morocco, 229f.; Marcus, p. 324. M. Friedman, Ribbui Nashim Beyisra'el [Tel Aviv: Mosad Bialik etc., 1986], 169-170, 263). According to the Midrash Hagadol, Isaac himself examined Rebekah digitally before their marriage (Midrash Hagadol to Genesis 24:67 [ed. M. Margulies; Jerusalem: Mosad Harav Kook, 1967, 411]; according to Pirke Rabbi Eliezer, chap. 16, p. 38a, the examination consisted of digital defloration [ref. courtesy of my colleague, Prof. Judah Goldin]). According to the  aprocryphal Book of James, sec. 19-20, Mary was likewise examined digitally for virginity by Salome (New Testament Apocrypha, ed. E. Hennecke & W. Schneemelcher, 385; ref. courtesy of Prof. Tikva Frymer-Kensky and my colleague Prof. Robert A. Kraft)."

(http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jwst/4q159.htm)   [Note #13, read toward the end of the note]

(the article is also located on my site)

 

An AUDIO file (46 seconds) from the "Banned from the Bible" documentary film proving that Salome inserted her finger into Mary.

 

Interpreter's Voice:

Dr. David Scholer
New Testament, Fuller Theological Seminary

(The film can be purchased from the History Channel's web site)

 

The reason I copied Mr. Jeffrey H. Tigay's article on my site is to prevent it from vanishing from the internet someday.  Many valuable articles were lost without permanent preservation on the internet.

Anyway, let us look the "digital defloration" key words in his quote:

Digital:  "\Dig"i*tal\, a. [L. digitals.] Of or performance to the fingers, or to digits; done with the fingers; as, digital compression; digital examination."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=digital)


Defloration:  "\Def`lo*ra"tion\, n. [LL. defloratio: cf. F. d['e]floration.] 1. The act of deflouring; as, the defloration of a virgin. --Johnson."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Defloration)

Also, Defloration mean:  "1. The act of deflowering.
                                       2. Rupture of the hymen, typically in sexual intercourse."

(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=defloration%20)

 
So in other words, digital defloration means inserting a finger or thumb into a virgin female's vagina to cause her to bleed and take away her virginity.  So when Salome himself did digital defloration to Mary (Jesus' mother), and Isaac "himself" did digital defloration to Rebekah, it means that both mentioned men had inserted their fingers into the mentioned female' vaginas.

 

 

3-  Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters in the Bibles:

Let us look at the following Verses in the Bibles: "If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof [how do you think they would do that?] that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate.   The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her.  Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.'  But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.'  Then her parents shall display the cloth [the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married] with  before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him.  (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:13-18)"  

Here is a more clear translation from Hebrew Resources:  "The girl's father and mother shall produce the evidence of the girl's virginity before the elders of the town at the gate.  And the girl's father shall say to the elders, "I gave this man my daughter to wife, but he had taken an aversion to her; so he has made up charges, saying, 'I did not find your daughter a virgin.' But here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity!"  And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the town.  (From the New JPS translation, Deuteronomy 22:15-17)"

The New JPS translation of Deuteronomy 22:15-17 makes it even more clear about having the parents of the girl displaying the bloody piece of cloth before the elders of the town.

According to the Talmud, the cloth should be "A cloth of less than 3 square finger-breadths.  (From the Talmud, Eruvin 29b-30a and Succah 16a)", and before it is being used, it should be "soft, woolen and clean.   (From the Talmud, Niddah 17a)"

 

 

4-  Fathers have full control over their daughters:

The thing that we all must know is that the father in the Bible has full control over his daughters.  Let us look at few quotes from Talmudic and Biblical resources:

The father has the right to force their daughters into marriage:  "The father has the obligation to marry off his daughters.  (From the Talmud, Kiddushin 29a, 30b)", and "Marrying off one's daughter as soon after she reaches adulthood as possible, even to one's Slave.   (From the Talmud, Pesachim 113a)"

The father even has the right to sell his daughter as a servant (slave girl) to other men:  "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her.  (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 21:7-8)"

There is even pre-arranged marriage before the child is even born!

People before they are even born are arranged for marriage:  "A Divine Voice announces who a soon-to-be-born boy and girl will marry when they grow up.   (From the Talmud, Moed Katan 18b, Sotah 2a, Moed Katan 18b and Moed Katan 18b)"

 

A small rebuttal to the Christian "Answering Islam" team, between me (Osama Abdallah) and Jim:

Jim- Defloration is the act of rupturing the hymen during sexual intercourse. Therefore the man can't stick his hand into the woman's vagina according to Mr. Abdallah. How can you have sexual intercourse and then stick your hand and a cloth at the same time in a woman's vagina. Make no sense does it? Then again most of Mr Abdallah's material makes no sense. 

Osama- Who mentioned sexual intercourse here Jim?   The woman's virginity can be taken through a person's hands, a father's finger inside his daughter.  As I showed above, "digital defloration" means inserting a finger or thumb into the woman's vagina.


I had some Christians raise high objections to this point, and some had even criticized me of being a "liar". Well, beside from the above references that clearly prove my point, if you still do not believe me then go and seek it among OLD MIDDLE EASTERN Jews for yourself.  Also, using your own personal common sense, explain to me what the Bible means by "her parents shall display the cloth" and its relationship to the girl's virginity?  If the husband is the one to take his wife's virginity through sexual intercourse, then what would having the girl's parents displaying "the cloth" have anything to do with it?

You might then think, then how would the husband be able to know whether his wife was ever touched by another man if her father took her virginity away from her before marriage?

My answer to this question is that some men can tell by instinct whether their wives had previous relationships before when they sleep with their wives. This however is very difficult and doesn't apply to all men, especially when their wives are good in faking it.   In the old Jewish culture fathers were to take their daughters' virginity and must keep the bloody cloth for as long as their daughters were married as a solid proof.

That is why the Bible mentions "the cloth" and orders the parents to use it as a proof.  Using your own common sense, the cloth would not be a clean one like anyone you have at home. It has to be a bloody one.

These laws however are not GOD Almighty's Laws, even though they are considered as such.  These are old Jewish Laws that had corrupted the Bibles:

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!

 

 

5-  Why would fathers do that?

Back in the old Biblical days, if a girl commits fornication, she would bring a big shame to the family.  The family would lose their reputation and respect in the town.   That is why you see Biblical verses such as the following:

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.   (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 21:9)"

"...and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible, Ecclesiasticus 22:3)

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a MALE child: then she shall be unclean SEVEN DAYS; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying THIRTY THREE days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a FEMALE child, then she shall be unclean TWO WEEKS, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying SIXTY SIX days.  (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 12:2-5)"

 

 

6-  The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!

The Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's alterations and corruptions:

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost.  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"

"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"

"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"

"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"

"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"

"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"

"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"

"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"

"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"

"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"

"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"

etc...

Please visit: Just who were the original authors of the Bible? to see the book's bibliography to the above quotes.

Also, why don't you visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!

 

 

7-  How can you justify "digital defloration" to your sister or daughter?

As we've seen above, it was part of the old Jewish culture to do digital defloration (inserting a finger into the vagina) to women.  Mary, the mother of Jesus, even got digitally deflowered herself!  I'd like to ask all Jews and Christians this simple question:

How can you justify to your daughter or sister that it is Biblically and religiously OK to insert a (middle) finger (whether by male or female; it doesn't matter) into her vagina to take away her virginity?

I mean, beside the woman's husband, who should really have the authority to touch her in her private like that?

And also, could Jeremiah in Jeremiah 8:8 meant exactly this when he said that the Jews had so badly corrupted the Bible and turned it into a "lie"?

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

As we've seen above, Deuteronomy 22:13-18 absolutely could not have referred to the husband covering his penis with the cloth and inserting it into his wife's vagina.  The verse clearly talked about the cloth being in the parents' possession, and it clearly referred to having the evidence right before the wedding night.

So, could this digital defloration by the bride's relative (whether it is her father, mother, brother, sister, or what have you) be nothing but a ridiculous LIE that was put in GOD Almighty's Holy Mouth as a Revelation sent from Him as Jeremiah 8:8 above clearly suggests?

I'll let you answer this for yourself.

Also, could Islam be the Truth, and the Bible be the mix between Truth and falsehood as Muslims claim?  Could Islam really have been foretold by previous Prophets?

Please visit:  The Scientific Miracles in the Noble Quran and Islam.

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was foretold by the name in several Books and Gospels in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

The original name for GOD Almighty in Aramaic and Hebrew was indeed "Allah".  See proofs from Hebrew and Aramaic resources.  Aramaic was the language that Jesus peace be upon him spoke during his ministry.   Also, according to the Bible, "Yahweh" was not GOD Almighty's original name.  It was "Allah".  See proofs from the Hebrew resources.

 

 

8-  Some minority Christians in Europe still do it today:

The following two posts were sent to me by Anna C., may Allah Almighty further Lead her to Islam.  Ameen.  They contain a link that has a story about old-fashion Christians in Europe practicing this Biblical law.  For the sake of readability, the structure of every post that is stored on my site is as follows:

Name
Email
Subject
Date
(automatically populated)
Content


--------------------------------------------------------------

Anna C.

<I decided not to reveal her email address>

https://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

3/14/2005

I think, on the issue of fathers digitally raping their daughters, that it would also be interesting to note that this custom was also practiced by the Gypsies that lived in the Iberian Peninsula.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Anna C.

<I decided not to reveal her email address>

https://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm

3/14/2005

http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm  

I meant nothing ill by the comment, I just found it interesting to note that this was also practiced elsewhere.

Thank you for your time!

--------------------------------------------------------------

 

Note:  Because I realize that this contribution by Anna C. will offend many of the Islam-hating Jews and Christians, I decided to keep her email address anonymous.

The link above contains the following quotes:

"But the gypsy wedding I attended was all rejoicing and beauty - albeit of a rather uncivilised kind, which made it all the more exciting. The lovely 17 year old bride, our neighbour Paqui, walked down from El Coro (our gypsy neigbourhood) in a cloud of white chiffon on the arm of her father, Conejo (Rabbit, as he is known), between two rows of admiring neighbours - even the payos came out to gape. In the great round church, the mothers of bride and groom stood by the altar until the priest had finished his standard sermon and then, with great feeling, sang lamenco marriage chants into the microphone, one of which, I remember, spoke of the union of "gitano con gitana". As they left the church, a white dove was released into the air, a symbol of the bride's purity, soon to fly away."

.........

"Paqui was then taken away by the two mothers and an old gypsy woman with a great mane of white hair, who, it was explained to me, was a virginity examiner (the actual expression for what she does is sacar la honra, or "display the honour"), who had been brought especially all the way from Cadiz, at great expense: 100,000 pesetas for the night's work, which is more than the minimum monthly wage. The reason why the sacaora, as she is known, has to come from so far away is, they said, to ensure her impartiality...

An hour later the three women and Paqui (who looked sheepishly proud, as if she had just been awarded her high school diploma) were back: the "judge" entered the church screaming and holding up a large white handkerchief embroidered in each corner with three red roses (this is because, generations ago, three corners of the handkerchief were twisted together to form a lancet which actually deflowered the girl, and came out stained in blood). I drew closer and could observe that there was a yellowish stain in the middle of the handkerchief, which showed signs of having been creased. The current, more "civilised" procedure is for the judge to wrap the handkerchief around her finger and introduce it in the vagina to feel, rather than break the hymen."

(http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm......the color, underline and bold emphasis added above are mine)


As we clearly see above, those Gypsy minority in Europe are Christians, and among those Christians, the digital defloration of virgin women before marriage is still practiced even until today!

 

 

9-  Numbers 31:7, 17-18 further prove that fingers were inserted into virgin girls!

Let us look at the verses in question:

Numbers 31:7, 17-18 "They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.......Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

You can read the entire story of the Israelites and the Midianites in the short chapter of Numbers 31 for more details.


Now, few points to mention here:

1-  All of the males (infants, children, grown men, and elderly) were killed.

2-  Every woman who was not a virgin was also killed.

3-  Every girl who was a virgin was saved as a spoil of war.


First of all, we need to picture the whole scenario here so we can get a better understanding of what exactly went on.  After the Israelite's victory over the Midianites, and after the capturing of all of their lands and people, the thousands of the remaining Midianite people were gathered at once.  The remaining men and all male children were taken and slaughtered.  The women were all lined up for checking.

Now how do you think they were able to tell who is a virgin from a non-virgin, especially that all of the men seem to have been killed first.  Certainly a newly wed girl who didn't have children yet could easily deny that she was ever touched by a man.   Do you think the Israelites just questioned the women and the girls and took their words at face value?  Of course not.  From all of the evidence that we have in this article's sections above, and from the clear picture of what took place from events in the Numbers 31:7, 17-18 verses, there is no question in my mind that:

1-  Every single mother was slaughtered along with the men.

2-  Every single "young" girl was literally checked by inserting a finger(s) into her vagina to tell whether she was a virgin or not.  Perhaps most likely also, men did the checking.  As we see in the next sub-section, they even inserted their penises into 3-year old girls!! 

 

3-year old girls were literally raped!

We also need to know that according to the Jewish Talmud's elaboration on the historical events that took place in the Numbers 31, 17-18, Moses and his men literally inserted their penises into girls who were as young as 3 years old (three years old).  Here is the proof:

 

From www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm:

Children

Sometimes one has to read a passage twice to believe what has been written in the Sacred Books of Judaism: what has been decreed the way to a holy life by the "sages of blessed memory... whose words are the natural sounds of Judaism" [131]:

 

Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

R. Nahman bar Isaac said. "They made the decree that a gentile child should be deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15], so that an Israelite child should not hang around with him and commit pederasty [as he does]."
For said R. Zira, "I had much anguish with R. Assi, and R. Assi with R. Yohanan, and R. Yohanan with R. Yannai, and R. Yannai with R. Nathan b. Amram, and R. Nathan b. Amram with Rabbi [on this matter]: 'From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]'? And he said to me, 'On the day on which he is born.' But when I came to R. Hiyya, he said to me, 'From the age of nine years and one day.' And when I came and laid the matter before Rabbi, he said to me, 'Discard my reply and adopt that of R. Hiyya, who declared, "From what age is a gentile child deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [described at Lev.15]? From the age of nine years and one day."'
[37A] Since he is then suitable for having sexual relations, he also is deemed unclean with the flux uncleanness [of Lev.15]."
Said Rabina, "Therefore a gentile girl who is three years and one day old, since she is then suitable to have sexual relations, also imparts uncleanness of the flux variety."
That is self-evident!

Abodah Zarah 36B-37A [133]

 

The basis for these rulings is the following Mishnaic passage of Tractate Niddah (filth):

 

A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."
And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility.
If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye.
(Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134]

 

Thus, one "of the many important issues worked out in the Mishnah concerns proper conduct with women," [135] and the "entire society of Judaism – that is, the community formed by the Torah – found in the Talmud those modes of thought and inquiry, those media of order and value, that guided the formation of public affairs and private life as well." [136]

While it is reassuring to see there was at least some limit as to what the sages would declare holy and moral, this ruling had severe implications on the interpretation of other topics as well. The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:

 

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17).
[This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man...
But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood." [137]

 

According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]


Bibliography:

[131] Ibid., vol.XXI.A-D, Tractate Bava Mesia, Atlanta: Scholars Press 1990, p.ix-x.

[132] Ibid., vol.XXIII.B, Tractate Sanhedrin 1984, 150. See also vol.XIX.A, Tractate Qiddushin 10a-b, 1992, 33. "Menstruating" here of course refers to the ritual "flux uncleanness" described in Lev.15.

[133] Ibid., vol.XXV.A, Tractate Abodah Zarah, 1991, 168. Emphasis original.

[134] J. Neusner, The Talmud of Babylonia. A complete outline, Part IV. The Division of Holy Things. B. Number 37. 1995, 704.

[135] Neusner 1993, 41.

[136] Neusner 1995, 7.

[137] Kuhn 1959, §157, 652f. My translation. In general, proselytes are not allowed to marry into the priesthood.

[138] Ibid., §157, footnote 86, 653.

 

 

10-  Rebuttals:

Please visit Further Rebuttals to Jim about Fathers raping their daughters in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

 

 

11-  Conclusion:

The Bible is a book that had been badly corrupted by the man-made Jewish cultural nonsense through the "scribes".  As we've seen above, GOD Almighty condemned the scribes in Jeremiah 8:8 and said they turned the Bible into a lie.  The scribes are man made laws and lies that had been inserted into the Bible as Divine Revelations from GOD Almighty.  Certainly, the "fathers inserting their fingers into their daughters' vaginas" law is a scribes' corruption in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

 

 

Further sites to research:

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Raping girls at the age of 3 is allowed in the Jewish Holiest Book, the Talmud.

What is the punishment for rape in Christianity and Islam?  See how the Bible tolerates it and even indirectly promotes it to happen to single women.

Contradicting errors even in Porn in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  

History of man's corruption in the Bible (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).  The Bible was not even written by the Prophets of GOD and the Disciples of Jesus (Luke 2:52: GOD forgave Jesus' sins and was "charitable" with him).

Christianity is the cause of our social corruptions today.

Women rights in Christianity?

Response to the so called "Pornography" in the Noble Quran.

Church Priests/Ministers who changed their sex and still preach in their Churches.

Priests with the AIDS.

Back to women in Islam and Christianity section.

 

 

References/Bibliography:

1- The Jewish Talmud.

2- The NIV Study Bible, 10th Anniversary Edition. 
General Editor: Kenneth Barker.
Associate Editors: Donald Burdick, John Stek, Walter Wessel and Ronald Youngblood.
Published at: Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, MI 49530, USA
ISBN: 0-310-92589-4.


Send your comments.

Back to Main Page.

 

|

Where was the promised Holy Spirit in the disciples' apostatizing of each other??

The Romans had to fake fake his crucifixion due to Passover issues: [
1]

   
  
  


200 years no gospels | 24 other thrones besides Jesus'  | Jesus' problematic hyperboles: made sinful lawful and lawful sinful | Jesus was created |
What's new | A-Z library (3300+ articles) | "Muslims" was the original title | Quran Search | Quran Moral Code (100s of them) | Quran: Bibles are filled with corrupt  قول  qaowl (doctrines of sayings and writings)  | "bar Allahin" in Daniel 3:25-26 means the chosen one of Allah | Jesus said he was powerless |  Paul said he wasn't sure about Holy Spirit | Disciples called each other liars, satanic, false | Paul commanded women to not expose  sex predators | Research & Blog | 9/11 Israel-lie | Youtube

      

  

Quran's STUNNING Divine Miracles: [1]
 

Allah Almighty also promised in several Divine Prophecies that He will show the Glorious Quran's Miracles to mankind.  For example:
  

1-  The root letters for "message" and all of its derivatives occur 513 times throughout the Glorious Quran.  Yet, the Prophets' and Messengers' actual names (Muhammad, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Lot etc....) were also all mentioned 513 times in the Glorious Quran.  See detailed listing here.


Coincidence?
  See 1,000s of examples! [1]. (zip file).

Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.

Stunning Prophecies [2] [3]

 

2-  Allah Almighty said that Prophet Noah lived for 950 years.  Yet, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone, the entire Noble Surah (chapter Noah) is exactly written in 950 Letters.  You can thoroughly see the accurate count in the scanned images.

3-  Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran said that earth is:
  

       -  Spherical: "egg-shaped" [1].
       -  Is rotating around itself.
       -  Is moving in space in curvy orbits [2].
       -  Is traveling through the constantly expanding universe [3].
  

"When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint (وردة كالدهان)." (The Noble Quran, 55:37) [2] [3]
  
As we also see from the picture, Noble Verse 55:37 is a Divine Promise (Allah promised to show mankind) that mankind will actually see this come to pass one day.  NASA and other space agencies, by Allah Almighty's Will, have certainly fulfilled this Prophecy, because a natural rose wouldn't form when a "Heaven" or a Solar System or even an entire galaxy and its
trillions of solar systems all blow up (explode).  It is rather the look of it, and this is exactly what NASA confirms.

 

Coincidence?  See 1,000s of examples [1].Quran's Stunning Numerical & Scientific Miracles.

  
Islam also thoroughly rejects as man-made lies the Trinity and Crucifixion [2].  Jesus was also thoroughly called
slave of GOD [1] in both the OT and NT.


Quran:  All Bibles are mostly of corrupt [1] قول   (Quran 10:94 and 10s others discussed).  See also the 39+ members of trinity.  Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40.

  

John 5:30  "I cannot do anything on my own."  (i.e., Jesus could not perform a single Miracle without GOD sending it down to him first!).  I can not perform a single Miracle on my own!!  I am totally POWERLESS without Allah Almighty!
  

John 5:31  "if I (Jesus) bear witness of myself, then I would be a liar!" 

GOD didn't talk this way when He spoke to Moses.  GOD's testimony alone is always sufficient!  Jesus also bowed his face down to the ground, like we Muslims  (Isaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name, and sons and daughters of GOD titles will be "no more";    ; Jesus called every believer a Muslim in Luke 6:40)  Muslims do everyday, and prayed to GOD Almighty.