“In fact, he never claimed ANY OF THE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES in the Glorious Quran. So you can't say that he intentionally made it.”
Right, Muhammad need not have constructed this numerological association. All that is required is that some scribe prior to or including the scribe of the earliest extant copy of this passage constructed this numerological association.
Writers are well aware of the sounds the script represents. If the script is absent the vowels in writing the reader mentally fills them in. If a mark is made to represent a vowel then that is an explicit representation of it. Since you have derived a system of counting consonants and vowels then a 7th century man is capable of deriving the same system of counting consonants and vowels.
You might reply
[015:009] We have, without doubt, sent down the Message (الذكر); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).
at my suggestion that a later author could manipulate the words in the Qur’an to his own liking. That is a tautology or circular reasoning or begging the question. You are using the asserted divinity of the Qur’an as evidence that it could not have been manipulated in a way to merely give the appearance of divinity.
“And he couldn't have made it because the DRAWN LETTERS from VOWELS were not yet determined at the time” But the mark you call an Alif apparently was there at the time, so a human being could have constructed the same system of numerology as you have today.
“The Glorious Quran has 114 Chapters. The sum of those Chapters is 6555 (1+2+...+114 = 6555). There are also 6236 Noble Verses in the Glorious Quran. Now, IF YOU ADD EACH CHAPTER # with the number of its Verses, then you get a list of numbers. So 1 (first Chapter) + 7 (# of its Verses) = 8. Do this for all Chapters.
1- The sum of the odd numbers from the list = 6555.
2- The sum of the even numbers from the list = 6236.
Every time we give you a mind-blowing Miracle you arrogantly dismiss it. “
What exactly is so mind blowing about 6555 odd numbers from a list and 6236 even numbers from a list? In a list of numbers generated algorithmically from human writing one would expect roughly equal numbers of even and odd numbers.
I have looked at this about 6 times and I cannot even figure out what your claim is. Of course, one explanation is that I am a really stupid guy, but my math grades and my technical successes tell me otherwise.
It’s not arrogance so much as befuddlement as to what you are even claiming to be miraculous about these two roughly equal numbers.
“Again, visit:
www.answering-christianity.com/100_percent_guarantee_that_quran_is_divine.htmYou keep missing the point!”
Indeed, since I have visited that link many times and cut and pasted from it extensively above in order to comment on it and much of it does indeed seem entirely pointless to me. But, I enjoy numbers in general so I keep scratching my head trying to figure out how you consider those relatively simple arithmetic expressions to be somehow necessarily of divine origin.
“So no, the Miracles were not just simple human observation. The Miracles of:
1- Embryology.”
I have noticed you do not really do much conversing on points I raise. Mostly you just copy and paste links and lists I have already refuted.
For example, embryology.
Anybody can look at the products of miscarriage and say it is a “clot” or a “chewed thing”.
Your links completely fail to address this obvious refutation, and all the others I have made, so, sorry Brother Osama, but my assertion that there are no scientific miracles in the Qur’an stands utterly uncontested in any meaningful way by you.
But, please do tell me how the descriptions of “clot” or “chewed thing” could not have been made by simple observation of the products of miscarriage.
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1- Spherical.”
The Greeks measured the diameter of the spherical Earth, no miracle
2- Suspended in Space.
Where else would it be? Most classical models have the Earth surrounded by some void or heaven or space.
3- Rotating around itself. (emphasis on dahaha and its derivatives)
Couldn’t find this in your below citations
4- Is traveling in Space.
Not in the below citations
5- Also, all celestial bodies are يعرجون Yaa'rujoon (traveling in orbits) in space. The countless orbits in the Universe, and the day-layer reveals the sun's brightness. This video is about Noble Verses
32:5, the below is gibberish, what miracle is this nonsense supposed to be? Is it a day, a thousand, or fifty thousand years? The Qur’an claims to be clear, obviously another false claim.
Sahih International: He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.
34:2, more gibberish
Sahih International: He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein. And He is the Merciful, the Forgiving.
57:4, this is worse than gibberish, it is just flat out wrong that the heavens and the Earth were made in 6 days. Obviously, this is a Genesis retelling and Genesis gets it wrong wrong wrong.
Sahih International: It is He who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein; and He is with you wherever you are. And Allah , of what you do, is Seeing.
70:3-4 more gibberish, no, the heavens and the Earth were not created in 6 times fifty thousand years
Sahih International: [It is] from Allah , owner of the ways of ascent.
The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.
“and others, and the Arabic words عرج , عروج , معارج and معراج that all refer to "going in an orbital and curvy path" in the Glorious Quran and our Islamic Texts.”
Really? Where? 7 separate translations at corpus.quran.com make no mention of it in the passages you cite.
I know that for a devout Muslim is can be very unpleasant, even painful or upsetting to hear something they feel so deeply about called “gibberish” or “nonsense” or “simple observation”. But, when we grow to be men we must deal with truth.
All your attempts at demonstrating a scientific miracle in the Qur’an are false. All my refutations of your assertions stand utterly unrebutted by you.
I hope one day the light of reason shines though your fog of faith.
Peace Bro
